Goff on Q+A

November 20th, 2011 at 1:45 pm by David Farrar

Incredible. For the third time Goff is unable to answer the CGT question about in what year does it first bring in revenue.

You can see it in the video above, by Whale. After muffing it in The Press debate, and then muffing it on The Nation on yesterday, how on God’s earth did he not look up the policy. We all make mistakes, but to not be able to answer the question after two previous maulings is just idiotic.

Goff was also very unimpressive on other details. Couldn’t say how the Capital Gains tax would work, had no numbers around jobs, and in the finale refused (three times) to say whether or not he trusts Winston Peters – whom is his only lifeline to power.

Can you imagine a Labour-led Government with needing to get the Greens, Maori Party, NZ First and Mana to agree to every budget, and every law? It would have no stability and definitely no direction.

UPDATE: Transcript below:

GUYON Okay, the capital gains tax is part of a major tax switch, isn’t it, which includes the increase in the top tax rate, the GST off fruit and vegetables, etc. Under your plan, what is the first year you gain any additional revenue from your tax switch and how much do you get?

PHIL Well, from 2015, 16, we’re back into surplus, and by 2021, we’ve paid off the debt a year faster than National.

GUYON What is the first year that you gain any additional revenue from your tax switch and how much is it?

PHIL I think it’s about 2016, 17. Again, I don’t carry all those figures in my head.

GUYON Well, it’s 2018, 19. It’s a long way off.

As Guyon points out, that means it is two full terms of Parliament before their “tax switch” actually brings in additional revenue.

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32 Responses to “Goff on Q+A”

  1. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    The fuckwit Goff will be wondering how to double flip flop back onto the election issue being teacupgate.

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  2. DMS (54 comments) says:

    You can talk about fuckwits all you like. I watch the tosser with the three handed handshake, that embarassment who calls himself Prime Minister, and ask how a Prime Minister can dodge all serious invitations to talk policy on radio, and invitations to the print media.
    Key is totally out of his depth. Watch his eyes and body language: you can pick when a lie is coming.
    My blue friends are embarassed , and the tragedy is that the NACT party has no-one else who has fronted this election.
    Go Phil.

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  3. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    The man is a walking disaster, socialist scum of the highest order. I know how the prick will balance the books, he’ll take it off every Kiwi stupid enough to work. If these fucking lunatics get on the treasury benches again it’s all over red rover.

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  4. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    DMS

    I guess you aren’t one of the 55% then.

    Its interesting that the fuckwit Goff is a perpetual train wreck in opposition and on the hustings, flip flopping, lying, not being on top of policy, barely rated in double digits by the voting public, and yet you seem to think he is the bees knees.

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  5. Johnboy (16,583 comments) says:

    “My blue friends are embarassed”

    Not so embarrassed that they are pleased to have their party leaders photo on their election hoardings.

    Unlike your pinko friends. :)

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  6. DMS (54 comments) says:

    The party leader is only part of the scheme of things. The reason the Nats are in a flat panic is their messiah has feet of clay, and the Nats have no policies that appeal to Jo Average. Face it John Boy: Key is a dork, and you have a dork on every one of your hoardings.

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  7. 3-coil (1,220 comments) says:

    Phil’s long-suffering wife Mary has to help Phil put his pants on every morning. Phil: “Mary…am I putting these on, or taking them off?”

    But who will help Phil out at the polling booth next Saturday – to stop him from voting for NZ First?

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  8. Grizz (605 comments) says:

    DMS: Fine, Call John Key a dork, limp or whatever. In Phil Goff you have not got anything to celebrate either. He comes across as an even bigger bumbling idiot than Key. Surely Labour have more to worry about. With current left wing momentum they are about to be overtaken by the Greens.

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  9. DMS (54 comments) says:

    Davinci, watch that 55% slide! I am picking the Nats to end up about 42%, with no mates, maybe a few Maori Party survivors who will swap sides, and the Conservative party which is doing well. I am pretty sure however they will not drop to the 22% that English managed.
    To stop the slide, I think Key should fess up and face the music. Only seven days to go, and so many undecideds!

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  10. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    “Fess up” about what exactly?

    Are you now the only person in the country who doesn’t know what he said? Have you not noticed that nobody gives a stuff about what the media are saying or what Key is reported as saying?

    “So many undecideds”

    So what? How does that affect National who are at anywhere between 52% and 55% in the respective polls and have remained consistently in that range since the last election? That is not to say that the fuckwit Goff won’t be concerned about the undecideds, although that is likely academic because he knows that he will be getting the chop.

    I think its going swimmingly well for National. Looking forward to a sea of forlorn faces and much spitting and cursing from the usual pinko suspects during the coverage next Saturday. It will be better than the world cup and a lot funnier.

    Do you think the melons will close the gap on the Rena Party?

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  11. Inventory2 (10,342 comments) says:

    I’m picking that you’ve been on the piss today DMS :-)

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  12. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Drowning his sorrows in anticipation I2.

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  13. DMS (54 comments) says:

    Face it Davinci and Inventory, the Nact party got in last time on the basis of the Time for a Change mantra. Well, there are a lot who voted that way and have regretted it. Your polls that you use to calm the nerves miss a lot of the disaffected who no longer have home telephone lines. And your polls don’t reflect the huge loss the Nats will cop in Christchurch electorates.
    If I have had a few wines today, so be it. You guys will need tanker loads in a few weeks as Phil is sworn in as the next Prime Minister.

    [DPF: Are those drugs you are taking, legal?]

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  14. tvb (4,422 comments) says:

    Their tax switch means that their poorly designed cuts will have to be paid for by borrowed money. Because the cuts come first the revenue enhancements come much later. The only spending promise to match the revenue increases is the significant increase in their welfare with no questions asked.

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  15. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Best you just stay pissed for the next couple of years DMS.

    BTW, Key got in because Klerkula’s crew were, and remain, the most despicable, dishonest, malfeasing bunch of crooks that ever crawled out of the political slime.

    But you don’t need to think you’re drinking alone. You’ve just reminded me that its time for a refreshing cool beverage. :)

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  16. DMS (54 comments) says:

    Da Vinci: In vino, veritas! The Romans knew a thing or two!

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  17. Put it away (2,878 comments) says:

    OK, which one of the regular trolls got banned and came back as DMS? “Flat panic” at 55%? You must really dislike reality if you prefer such ludicrous fantasies. Bad news DMS, the reality you fear is clearly going to remain real for another three years, and likely six. Sucks to be you.

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  18. Johnboy (16,583 comments) says:

    I thought it was only me who was on the piss today in between sanding the dunny ceiling.

    Funnily enough after I’d sanded a bit I could see a face in the dust. I couldn’t quite make out if it looked like Jesus or JK.

    After much soul searching and seeing it didn’t have a beard I decided it looked like our Messiah. :)

    I would have got Andrei and Lucia to give me a second opinion but the window was open and a gust blew it away.

    Pity about that shrine’s aren’t a bad little earner.

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  19. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    “In vino, veritas”

    Not in your case it would seem. :)

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  20. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Johnboy

    If its the water closet ceiling, maybe it was that special someone. :)

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  21. Johnboy (16,583 comments) says:

    Hell no Leonardo. Us impoverished rural, agrarian, serfs caint afford them fancy water closet thingamebobs.

    This is a flash new long drop.

    Tell we built this we just crapped out of the front window.

    Still if we had enough water pressure anything could be possible. :)

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  22. V (720 comments) says:

    Subconciously his own mind doesn’t believe the numbers being fed to him by Cunliffe and Parker, thats why he’s finding it so hard to retain them.
    The idea that anyone knows what revenues in 14/15 or 16/17 will be is clearly deluded.

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  23. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Tell we built this we just crapped out of the front window.

    oh oh ho! now that’s how the shit gets to the beehive.
    Wainui to Wellington with johnny and Trev.

    hehe.

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  24. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    hey johnboy you’ve been on that job forever. Slower than the unemployed and any poublic servant. Are you on the payroll from Wellington?

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  25. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    V

    Given that the world is going to be completely fucked for the next decade, even the expectation that there will be capital gains to be taxed is a stretch. Maybe the fuckwit Goff was thinking about the 25% return that the Kullen fund wasn’t achieving.

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  26. coolas (115 comments) says:

    Farrar’s post is nonsense and he’s just repeating something desperate Key has said:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/campaign-trail/6001293/PM-warns-

    All week Key has said the media should be talking issues, not sideshows, and now he and the blog sycophants are side tracking with Winstone scare tactics. It’s gonna be one hell of a week.

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  27. Chuck Bird (4,884 comments) says:

    He cannot remember one simple figure that he should have remembered when Key asked him. He could not find pussy in a whore house – and he wants to be Prime Minister.

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  28. sparky (235 comments) says:

    Goff as usual had no idea of figures. Stumbling over words. You can’t have a Prime Minister who quite frankly is not adequate. It is not as if it is the first time. It has been numerous times, Q + A, The Nation, and these two were this morning, a week out from the Election.

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  29. Steve (4,563 comments) says:

    To Phil Goff:

    “Mork calling Orson, Mork calling Orson, come in Orson”

    It aint gonna happen Phil, have a cup of tea and a lie down. Unfortunate Phil, but you are carrying the shitcan for all of the losers and troughers in the Liarbour Party. They will bag you without telling you.
    The Unionists are going to lose big time and the Chardonay Socialists are going to feel it

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  30. Nick K (1,244 comments) says:

    Espiner is right, it is a tax switch but I don’t think it’s as he believes. On Labour’s numbers, they spend a further $713 million on welfare (mainly their children policy) by 2018/19, and by that stage the CGT earns about $780million (or thereabouts). So the CGT is just a way to raise revenue to pay for a further destruction of family wealth and personal responsibility.

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  31. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    Jeez ‘DMS’ – someone must have spiked your milo. Whilst your support for Goff and Labour is acknowledged for its blind loyalty, you’re totally short on logic and your comments are devoid of fact.

    If National dropped from 53% to 42% in a week, it would represent the single biggest drop since someone’s pants hit the floor during the [infamous] incident in Miramar. And you know (deep down) that National isn’t going to drop 11% in a week. That’s just wishful thinking on your part.

    And if you’re holding your breath for something startling to come from another ‘Mike Williams’ expose, [I'm sure you'll remember this DMS - the Labour Party President Mike Williams was sent to Melbourne by Head Grinch in an effort to dig up something nasty on John Key but returned home empty handed], then best breathe out, because there isn’t any dirt! I know you hate this, but it’s true!

    I’ll be thinking of you too, on Saturday night. :P

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  32. Black with a Vengeance (1,865 comments) says:

    You can’t have a Prime Minister who quite frankly is not adequate.

    we’ve had one for the last 3 years mate.

    One whose gov’t couldn’t even do a half decent job that he had to break an election promise not to raise GST thus making a liar who can’t be trusted out of himself.

    and lets not even talk of how Bill English stands as a paragon of inadequacy, a poster boy for failure whose only claim to fame is that he’s trailer to John Key’s truck.

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