Goff savaged

November 24th, 2011 at 1:08 pm by David Farrar

Listen to Goff being savaged on NewstalkZB over his false claims over the , where he claimed “all recruitment” for 2012 was canceled due to budget cuts, and in fact the truth is that the January intake has been delayed two months because the attrition rate of leaving the force has halved under National (which is great as experienced cops are better than rookies) so they do not need to recruit as quickly.

It is absolutely brutal. You see Goff at his absolute worse – unable to admit he is wrong on anything at all. He would argue black is white. It is just like when he argued the SIS never briefed him despite documented proof they did.

John Key does make mistakes. But when he does, he generally will concede he stuffed up. A great example is over the Israeli backpackers where his initial refuse to comment gave the story massive legs. He conceded to media that in hindsight he should have started with the position he ended up with.

But this is Goff’s awful weakness. He never ever admits he is wrong on anything (except the entire 1980s). To this day he maintains his handling of the Darren Hughes saga was first class, when everyone knows it was an absolute disaster.

A few weeks ago in relation to the S&P comments, Phil Goff said:

Goff said the Prime Minister has “lied to Kiwis” and if the source is credible then he should name them.

“John Key should stop trying to squirm out of it, front up, admit he got it wrong, and say sorry,” Goff said today.

So will take his own advice? Will he name his highly reliable source (my pick is its Trevor Mallard)? Will he “front up, admit he got it wrong, and say he is sorry?”

I suspect this is not the ending that Labour wanted to their campaign.

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57 Responses to “Goff savaged”

  1. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    Smells like a liar from here.

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  2. Pongo (374 comments) says:

    that is the only time in this campaign that a journalist has actually tried to get Goff to answer a direct question with a direct answer. Brilliant stuff Mr Plunkett, just a shame we can’t tune in from down here.

    seriously I dare someone to try and find a slightly difficult question to Goff where his answer bears any resemblance to the question and that is why no one likes him. he gets an easy ride out of pity and that he can talk for 5 minutes without stopping and saying anything and the questioner forgets what they asked. the miracle of Dr Edwards at work.

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  3. Mr Nobody NZ (391 comments) says:

    Unfortunately the failure to admit your mistakes is more extensive that just Phil Goff, it endemic through out the entire Labour party and is the main reason that they are trailing so significantly in the polls.

    If following 2008 that had demonstrated the courage to admitting that they had gotten it wrong and deviated from Party’s founding principles they would be in a far superior position with the poll result than they are currently. However instead they have seemed to varied between a state of confusion as to why they electorate can’t see their natural superiority and desire to punish it (the electorate) for being so thick as to voting for somebody else.

    Unfortunately until Labour understands this and actively takes steps to repair their relationship with the electorate they only way they can hope to gain control of the treasury is by having to rely on third parties.

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  4. Elaycee (4,409 comments) says:

    Wow. Well done Sean Plunkett. A journalist who is not afraid to seek out the truth.

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  5. Nookin (3,465 comments) says:

    Goff did admit he was wrong about Richard Worth. But then, he rather had to.

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  6. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    It is sad Elaycee that a jopurnalist behaving like a journalist is an aberation these days.

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  7. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    I almost felt sorry for Goff then. Almost. He’s a duplicitous charlatan leading a party whose policy is simply based on opposing whatever National propose.

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  8. berend (1,716 comments) says:

    Guys, listen to the end if you didn’t. Goff is hanging up!!!

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  9. polemic (460 comments) says:

    This is incredibly refreshing that not all media are prepared to get whitewashed by blatant falsehoods and spin.

    Goff is unable to state a truth that is factual yet he wants to run our country.

    Now once again who do you trust the most :)

    JOHN KEY or PHIL GOFF

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  10. JamesS (352 comments) says:

    After 30 years in Parliament what a way to go out – telling lies; how pathetic to end your career with a discredited whimper rather than any sort of achievement.

    Goff rather reminds me of Bill Rowling, another who went through life in a perpetual state of denial and complete absence of self awareness. Rowling had four careers – school teacher, the army, politics, diplomat – and was an abysmal failure at all of them (by any objective measure), yet ended his life under the impression he was an outstanding success, not only that but Labour people also consider Rowling to be one of the great ones.

    And they wonder why they are only getting a quarter of the votes on Saturday!

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  11. Lindsay Addie (1,591 comments) says:

    Well Done Sean Plunkett!

    That interview is my personal highlight of the campaign. The end was hilarious with Goff beating a hasty retreat after having getting a spanking such as that.

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  12. ross (1,437 comments) says:

    “He would argue black is white.”

    A bit like you then, DPF.

    “John Key does make mistakes. But when he does, he generally will concede he stuffed up.”

    Thanks for the biggest laugh yet of the election campaign.

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  13. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    Thank Goff for the biggest laughs of the election campaign.

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  14. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Fuck you Ross….DPF ain’t perfect but he’s pretty straight up and down and gives Nationals grief for things just as he does for Labour….its not his fault that labour cocks up far more often.

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  15. UpandComer (537 comments) says:

    Finally a journalist giving a Labour member what they deserve for their constant lies. He is as bad as Mallard, and as bad as Helen Clark, they lie and lie and lie, and it’s great to see when they cant get away with it.

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  16. dog_eat_dog (789 comments) says:

    No

    No

    No

    No

    No

    Let me make my point, which is the same point that you’ve comprehensively destroyed.

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  17. tankyman (116 comments) says:

    @ Ross – Serious ?? you think that is the biggest laugh?

    Just wait till Saturday night – There will be much hilariousness !

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  18. dime (10,107 comments) says:

    Ross seems to be getting more and more upset lol

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  19. tom hunter (5,086 comments) says:

    Fuck you Ross….

    Good grief “Scorned” – that’s an awful thing to say at the best of times.

    But to say it to a poor, sad bastard who’s grieving as much as “ross”, is unconscionable. It’s like kicking a Shih Tzu just because it’s snarling and snapping at your ankles.

    You’ll be giving the right-wing a bad name as heartless, cruel overlords next!

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  20. Brian Smaller (4,026 comments) says:

    Goff should have got botox treatment so he could at least lie with a straight face.

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  21. rouppe (982 comments) says:

    Would this be the radio equivalent of “storming out of an interview”?

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  22. wreck1080 (3,961 comments) says:

    Goff still maintains recruitment is cancelled — when CLEARLY it is DEFERRED by 2 months due to less police leaving the force.

    Goff is a FRAUD!!!

    Good interview.

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  23. nasska (11,804 comments) says:

    Brian Smaller

    Not the botox! I prefer him as he is now….reminiscent of a sex doll covered with melted goats cheese.

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  24. Lindsay Addie (1,591 comments) says:

    Typo in my 1.37 post, it should read “after having got a spanking…….”

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  25. Nookin (3,465 comments) says:

    “Goff should have got botox treatment so he could at least lie with a straight face.”

    Doubt it, Brian. Only rigor mortis would achieve that.

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  26. Bevan (3,924 comments) says:

    That was the funniest thing I’ve heard in a long time!

    And here I always thought Plunket was a plonker! Dude must have grown some testies.

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  27. Pete George (23,683 comments) says:

    A real shame to see this blow up in Goff’s face, he had been running a dogged campaign and was stepping up in the debates (mostly), so a lot of credit due, especially considering how little apparent support he has had from colleagues.

    But this apparent blooper taints his whole effort.

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  28. KiwiGreg (3,259 comments) says:

    Of course under Labour they COULD stop police recruitment. As they plan to abolish punishment there would be little point in arresting folk in the first place.

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  29. slightlyrighty (2,475 comments) says:

    Goff’s entire campaign seems to be around a series of soundbites, designed to be no more than quotable. The truth behind them seem to be somewhat murky.

    “Once they’re gone, we can’t get them back” (Of course the government has bought back assets in the past)

    “No Asset Sales” (except for that 22.5% of Air NZ, which was kyboshed by the Commerce commission as being uncompetitive)

    “You’ll pay $500 a year more through contact energy” (proven to be an absolute falsehood)

    “All Police Recruitment for 2012 Cancelled” (Feb intake deferred till March)

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  30. Keeping Stock (10,428 comments) says:

    If the skewering of Phil Goff wasn’t enough for you, here’s Plunket’s interview with Crusher Collins in the next hour; I just hope for Phil’s sake he wasn’t listening!’

    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/podcasts/audio/24115036.mp3

    Personally, I think his source goes by the name of David, and is fairly close to him. That leaves three possibilities…

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  31. Roflcopter (465 comments) says:

    2008 – Labour running around claiming they had inside dirt on Key that would totally blow National’s election apart.

    2011 – Rinse and repeat.

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  32. tankyman (116 comments) says:

    KS – I heard uncontrollable sobbing in the background – I think Goff may have still been on the line.

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  33. alex Masterley (1,523 comments) says:

    I suppose my only concern about the Plunkett interview with Mr Goff is whether or not anyone listens to Newstalk ZB in Wellington.

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  34. Manolo (14,059 comments) says:

    Alex, plenty of people listen to 2ZB in Wellington.
    Plunkett exposed Goff as the shameless liar he is. Never capable of admitting a mistake, the socialist leader appears doomed.

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  35. thedavincimode (6,871 comments) says:

    V2 still likes him. Thinks he’s a great bloke!

    :)

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  36. kiwi in america (2,510 comments) says:

    Another silly own goal by Goff. This completely negates any momentum he might’ve had from the positive reports of his TV 3 debate. The listenership of Newstalk ZB far outweighs the viewership of TV 3 and also the demographic listening to Newstalk ZB is pure heartland reasonably disengaged voterland vs a far more politically engaged minority watching the TV 3 debate. In order for Goff to get above 30% he has to get out Labour’s base (hence the nasty scare tactics targetted at solo mums and state housing tenants) and THEN win over swing voters who might be inclined to vote National because Key’s a nice bloke but they might’ve been starting to take a closer look at asset sales and some might’ve been won over by Goff’s relatively tight message discipline on this subject this week …up until now.

    Labour was too desperate for the 11th hour king hit and now the last day of the campaign will be spent by Goff hosing down this story. This could be Labour’s H Fee of 2011. The irony is that TV 3’s blatant pro left bias which likely would see Campbell, Gower and Garner give this story only passing emphasis might be trumped by the fact that Plunket is a colleague and could make this an issue on the next The Nation and might cause them to attempt some balance in their reporting of this.

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  37. oldpark () says:

    Most people know Goff is Helen Clarks brother.See how they lie , like speedgate, picture gate etc etc.,only difference between Goff and Clarke is the voice.Lat night on the tv debate he looked like a hick and i also thought a good name for him?Forest Gump.

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  38. Lance (2,714 comments) says:

    @nassaka 1:59 pm

    Oh the mental image that conjured has scared me for life.
    I will need therapy after that

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  39. oldpark () says:

    Seems Goffs stance is maligning the police commissioner who reiterated what DPF says in his blog.Peter Marshall is the new commissioner,not the other one Mr Broad who was appointed by Clark ,after firing another top policeman Peter Doone.Judith Collins who had the same rule run over her by Plunkett.Said Goff was in meltdown with his lies.She also said Goffs pathetic intrangience on the matter if he could produce one skerrick of evidence to back up his claims,she would resign.Goff owes the Police commissioner a written apology.He also owes the voting public of NZ the same.

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  40. leftyliberal (651 comments) says:

    Maybe I don’t understand something. Are the 80 odd trainees that would normally be brought in during the January wing going to instead be brought in during the March wing? i.e. is the March wing going to be double what it normally is? (there’s normally around 5 wings a year) or are the wings going to be spaced closer later in the year? Are fewer people being trained this year or not? Collins didn’t seem to make this clear.

    You can see the argument from Goff that if indeed there is going to be fewer wings this year then the January wing has been “cancelled”. Whether that is because of cost savings or because there isn’t a need for it is then the next question – my guess is it’s a bit of both.

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  41. slightlyrighty (2,475 comments) says:

    Leftyliberal…..

    One of the reasons for deferral is that the rate of attrition from the police has dropped. As a result one would expect that the all training wings would be deferred for 2 months, meaning March would now be May, if they are needed. If the rate of attrition remains slow, then I owuld expect more wings to be deferred, rather than recruit for vacancies that may not exist.

    Mind you, If Goff thinks that those recruited for the January wing are just going to be put aside in favour of those recruited for March, then he’s realy clutching at straws. This is about scheduling traing to meet the requirements of the police.

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  42. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    @ll – if you have a specified number of roles (say 10,000 – I couldn’t find the exact numbers quickly) and usually 6% (600) leave p/a (attrition) then you’d project an annual intake of 600. If only 300 leave by attrition then you’ll only project an annual intake of 300. Whatever the real numbers are, it will be based on how many places there are to fill.

    Here’s some more reading for you: http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/govt-honours-commitment-fund-extra-police
    This should help you figure out if it is due to cost cutting.

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  43. markm (114 comments) says:

    Leftyliberal

    Wether there is one fewer intake for the year is irrelevant.
    Goff claimed that all next years intake was cancelled as well as claiming the police (commissioner?) was colluding with National to keep it quiet.
    Apart from outright lies , hes making accusations against a senior public servant the same as he did against the head of the SIS.
    The guys a disgrace not only to this country but his own Labour party.

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  44. oldpark () says:

    Just listening to the 4 0pm news Forest Gump alias Goff is still living his lies ,seems he really is a manifest LIAR.

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  45. BlueGriffon (204 comments) says:

    Why is Labour so concerned about police numbers all of a sudden? We know that they will repeal the 3 strikes law and want prison sentences less than 6 months abolished. Seems a bit hypocritical to me to go on about the Nats cutting police when Labour would just end up wasting the police’ time by releasing criminals back on to the streets.

    No wonder police morale is up and retention is high! The police are at present seeing their hard work no longer wasted.

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  46. leftyliberal (651 comments) says:

    @slightyrighty/RightNow: Right, so “deferring” here really means “we’re just not going to have the usual wing in January because we don’t need it”. So, we’re not really deferring anything, as the March wing would have normally taken place anyway. You can see how Goff made it to “cancelled” from this. Further, one presumes that no January wing means less costs, so there are cost savings (though that may not be the reason for it).

    Seems to me that both are stretching the truth, Goff more so than Collins (particularly with the point below…)

    @markm: Agreed, there was a claim that there was politicking involved in making such an announcement, and agreed that such a claim should not be made without more than just “a source” to back it up.

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  47. rightoverlabour (114 comments) says:

    One person that NO ONE should ever mess with is Judith Collins. I suppose the poll on this issue will be Saturday night, but it would have been interesting to see the results of any poll taken after today. I still believe someone is hanging poor old Goff out to die. I think in the interview he begins to realise that he has been shafted and tries an honourable retreat “have another appointment” huge fail. he should have said, hey, I believed my source, it seems like it may have been wrong, I’ll check it out and get back to you”. he would have earned some respect and not the scorn that has rightly been poured on him. Good old Judith puts her job on the line. May the bloodbath on Saturday be memorable in its clearing out of labour misfits…(and that despicable charlatan, peters….)

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  48. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    rightoverlabour – it does seem like Goff has been set up over this. He claimed on the interview with Sean Plunket that other journalists were checking into this as well and it would be in other media by the end of the day. There’s some new material on Stuff (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/policies/6023626/National-Goff-is-just-plain-wrong) but nothing that supports his allegations.

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  49. Batman (103 comments) says:

    “NOM NOM NOM NOM”

    That is the sound of Sean Plunkett eating what was left of Phil Goff’s credibility.

    that is all.

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  50. Craig Ranapia (1,915 comments) says:

    Good effort, but I wish Plunkett had asked Goff a very simple question:

    “Are you saying, Mr Goff, that the Police Commissioner has not only complied with direct political interference in an operational matter but lied about it? Repeatedly?”

    Then followed up with this:

    “And if so, how can you, or anyone else, have any confidence in Peter Marshall?”

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  51. Shunda barunda (2,985 comments) says:

    What a friggin turkey, keep digging to China Phil, no sense in stopping now.

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  52. ross (1,437 comments) says:

    Greg O’Connor, police association presdient, was on TV1 news tonight referring to a “15% cut”. I cant’t possobily think what he was referring to but I am sure it will have absolutely no effect on front line police numbers. LMAO

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  53. RF (1,451 comments) says:

    Do not forget that Goof has a possible source within the Police. Jacinda Arderns father is a Senior Sergeant. Join the dots.

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  54. Bodger (12 comments) says:

    Watched TV One news tonight – no condemnation of Goff, in fact more or less indicating that he had got one over JK.

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  55. freemark (616 comments) says:

    Totally fucking owned. I almost feel sorry for Goofy as it looks as though he has been set up (probably by his own apparatchik), however when I reflect on his and his Party’s nastiness, ethics, philosophy… I loved that, I’ll listen again!

    Waiheke Island, Auckland Central Electorate, my 2 Votes were both winners in 08, they’ll be going the same way this time.

    This post is my pre contest handshake and salutations to the right thinking citizens here, to all the trolls from the darkside I hope to welcome you into the productive, responsible, taxpaying community soon.

    I am happily anticipating Victory celebrations on Saturday

    BTW, love the price of wine right now!!

    Enjoy, KiwiBloggers, and well done DPF on your Bolg and weightloss – I’m sure we’ll lose a lot of weight and shit from The Beehive this weekend.

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  56. Nostalgia-NZ (5,279 comments) says:

    Everyone reads what they like into the comments as the giggling over the alleged ‘lies’ obviously shows, however outside the fortresses of the Nats others will have heard that there is a 5% slice from front line policing and 15% from adminstration. Looks like somebody missed a trick when it could have been put that the falling crime statistics were allowing budget cuts rather than arguing over an intake that had been ‘deferred,’ or the alternative ‘police budget slashed while violence against children rages out of control.’
    All in all not significant comments to influence the ‘undecideds’ but grist for the mill on here.

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  57. XChequer (298 comments) says:

    Sooooooooo Phil, as per your interview, has there been any confirmation of your accusation from other sources? Other Journalists?

    Phil?………..

    Phil?

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