Hosking on Labour’s leaflet
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:04 am by David FarrarMike Hosking writes at NewstalkZB:
If the Labour Party has reached just that bit too far this campaign, it’s with their leaflet targeted at solo mums who have babies while on a benefit. …
But what it implicitly implies, and where it shows Labour to be so badly out of touch with the bulk of middle New Zealand, is that it presents a view of work as negative.
The message is, if you work, you don’t spend enough time with your kids, that being a parent of a one-year-old means you shouldn’t have a job because that somehow is bad.
Yep, the Labour Party thinks mothers who work are bad parents. That is why presumably they are going to give an extra $70/week to a sole parent on the DPB and only $10/week to a working parent.
The children of parents who work, are shown that the world is an exciting place where all things are possible if you put your mind to it – where good work ethic is rewarded.
What does a child of a parent who is happy to collect Labour’s lifetime solo parent money make of their Mum or Dad?
And why would it then be unsurprising to see them recreate that attitude for the next generation.
Exactly, welfare dependency is generational in many cases, and welfare dependent households are highest in all the negative stats. Welfare should be there to support those who need it temporarily (unless permanently unable to work), but should not be a reason for able bodied adults not to seek work.
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November 23rd, 2011 at 11:30 am
One of the biggest shocks for me when in parliament was coming to terms with the fact that Labour were actually quite happy to have people on the dole/DPB/benefits their whole lives…notwithstanding the fact that EVERY piece of evidence showed that was bad for people – bad for their health, their self esteem, their enjoyment of life – and VERY bad for society as a whole.
When I first got in I thought “Labour is happy to keep its supporters on benefits” was Nat rhetoric…I quickly worked out that it was in fact a true statement of Labour’s position, and that is a total disgrace…more especially for those like Goff and King and Cunliffe who know damn well a life of dependency is an unfulfilled half life. You can perhaps be a bit more charitable for the half wits like Sepuloni and Fenton who are too dumb to know the effects of their philosophy…
Vote:November 23rd, 2011 at 11:37 am
And the gradual dismantling of this death by kindness system by the current government may turn out to be their greatest legacy.
Vote:It is certainly well overdue.
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:50 am
Well if that’s what they intend to do, its certainly “gradual” !!
My marriage has recently ended…I am told that there is no consequences at all arising from my wife having voluntarily given up her part time job ( working while the kids are at school) and now sitting in front of the TV collecting the DPB….that simply cannot be right…when are the Nats going to change that??
Vote:November 23rd, 2011 at 11:54 am
One of the biggest shocks for me when in parliament was coming to terms with the fact that Labour were actually quite happy to have people on the dole/DPB/benefits their whole lives…
That is because the Labour party are the political equivalent of a drug dealer, with beneficiaries their clientele and welfare the drug of choice. The beneficiary becomes reliant on the Labour party for their weekly welfare fix with threats that the nats will turn off the tap – makes them guaranteed Labour voters.
Vote:November 23rd, 2011 at 11:55 am
David Garrett
Sorry to hear that news, keep your chin up mate.
Bruv.
Vote:November 23rd, 2011 at 12:04 pm
Surely the socialists must realise their end game will be ashes in their mouths. How will the nanny state support all when the productive finally say “screw this, we’ve had enough”, will Goofy morph into Moses and preform loaves and fishes type wonders everyday?. Are they so blind that they can not see the ultimate outcome of the policies ? Is their love of power so great that they would willingly sell us into poverty for generations to come?
These people are either fucking naive in the extreme, so mentally retarded they should not be allowed to walk the streets or so corrupt they care not one iota for their fallow man. I suspect their love of power and failed ideology will trump all
Vote:November 23rd, 2011 at 12:07 pm
I remember leaving the house to go to work, when my then 5 year old son asked me “Will I have to go and work when I grow up?”
I said, “Yes mate. That’s how it works. That’s what we do to pay for the things that we want.”
He replied, “Good!”
Be it good or bad, our children learn by our example.
Vote:November 23rd, 2011 at 12:15 pm
the fact that Labour were actually quite happy to have people on the dole/DPB/benefits their whole lives…
They also seem insistent on the ‘right’ to have a state house for life, no matter how inappropriate it might have become once all the kids have left to live in their own state homes.
Vote:November 23rd, 2011 at 12:55 pm
David Garrett,
You have my sympathy.
However, I don’t buy the idea that marriages just end. Have you tried marriage counselling? Have you done everything you could to prevent this tragedy? Because it is a tragedy and no one will feel it more than your children, no matter how amicable the separation.
Please read the book in my post to see what I mean: The effects of divorce and a book review.
Vote:November 23rd, 2011 at 1:07 pm
The ANT AND THE GRASSHOPPER
OLD VERSION:
The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.
The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool, laughs, and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed. The grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold.
MORAL OF THE OLD STORY: Be responsible for yourself!
MODERN VERSION:
The ant works hard in the withering heat and the rain all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.
The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool, laughs, and dances and plays the summer away.. Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while he is cold and starving.
TV1, TV2 & 3 News, and Campbell Live show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food. The country is stunned by the sharp contrast.
How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?
Sue Bradford appears on Campbell Live with the grasshopper and everybody cries. The Green Party stages a demonstration in front of the ant’s house where the news stations film the group singing, ‘We shall overcome’.
Green Party Leader Metiriea Turei condemns the ant and blames John Key, Rob Muldoon, Roger Douglas, Capitalism and Global warming for the grasshopper’s plight.
John Minto exclaims in an interview with TV News that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share.
Finally, to gain votes to win an election, the Government drafts the Economic Equity & Anti-Grasshopper Act retroactive to the beginning of the summer.
The ant is fined for failing to consider how his hard work and preparation has affected the Grasshoppers Mana and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated under the Government Land Repo Act and given to the grasshopper.
The story ends as we see the grasshopper and his free-loading friends finishing up the last bits of the ant’s food while the government confiscated house he is in, which, as you recall, just happens to be the ant’s old house, crumbles around them because the grasshopper doesn’t maintain it.
The ant has disappeared to Australia, never to be seen again. The grasshopper is found dead in a Drugs related incident, and the house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of Homeboy spiders who terrorize the once prosperous and peaceful, neighbourhood.
MORAL OF THE NEW STORY: Be careful how you vote in 2011
Vote:November 23rd, 2011 at 1:20 pm
New research on the effects of mothers working show that their children do worse in life:
Read more: Working mothers risk damaging child’s prospects
This does not get Labour off the hook, however. Didn’t Helen Clark want more NZ women out there working for the economy? Irony alert triggered there.
Vote:November 23rd, 2011 at 1:38 pm
Whoops, not totally recent research. Google wrongly told me it was from 2 days ago and there’s no date on the article. Have cross-checked and found it was from 2001.
Vote:November 23rd, 2011 at 1:45 pm
Lucia Maria: Just who the f….do you think you are? Now I realise why posters here give you such a hard time….When I need your input into my personal life Miss Nom de Plume I will let you know….
Vote:November 23rd, 2011 at 1:51 pm
David,
I gambled on putting that comment up that you would either take it badly or that you would appreciate the information. Obviously at this point you are taking it badly, but when you calm down, for the sake of your children, you need to read that book.
Vote:November 23rd, 2011 at 1:59 pm
Direct link to the book on Amazon if you don’t want to look at my post: The Unexpected Legacy of Divorce: A 25 Year Landmark Study
Vote:November 23rd, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Lucia Maria
I can only assume your whole existence is some type of parody. That assumption makes your comments about someone else’s marriage quite amusing.
If you’re actually the real deal, do please fuck right off.
Vote:November 23rd, 2011 at 2:06 pm
***One of the biggest shocks for me when in parliament was coming to terms with the fact that Labour were actually quite happy to have people on the dole/DPB/benefits their whole lives…***
When doing some family law cases I was surprised to find an underworld of society for whom that lifestyle is perfectly normal. Interestingly, it was another family lawyer who suggested to me outside court that some people need to be sterilised.
Vote:November 23rd, 2011 at 2:12 pm
@Lucia Maria – I call complete bullshit. My kids are doing fabulously well both socially, academically and are incredibly nice human beings. Both of them were in care from 12 and 7 weeks old respectively because my wife had to return to work.
Vote:November 23rd, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Lucia Maria, why don’t you understand there are times when people must be left alone?
Vote:November 23rd, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Bob R: One of my early controversies – overwhelmed later by others – was support on this very blog for the suggestion (Made by DPF’s mate I think) that child abusers be incentivised to get sterilized….At least half a dozen people – four of them women – who identified themselves as family lawyers contacted me with messages along the lines of “thank God someone has come out and said it..”…
Vote:November 23rd, 2011 at 2:32 pm
Brian,
How old are your children now? And does your wife work full-time or part?
Vote:November 23rd, 2011 at 2:48 pm
Thanks David Garrett for confirming the worst fears some of us have had for the past 30 plus years. It has always appeared that the Socialists have done their damndest to create new classes of welfare dependency all aimed at provding them with voter fodder every 3 years.
I have never seen one policy from them aimed at getting citizens on welfare to take responsibility for their lives.
Instead its been the same old same old hand out ALL COMING OUT OF MY BLOODY POCKET YOU LEFTIE ARESHOLES.
Vote:November 23rd, 2011 at 2:52 pm
Very brief details here – my marriage broke up when my boys were 2 and 4 years. Little acrimony. Boys did great at school, although my greatest heartache was not being able to home school them, due to needing to work. Temped all the time they were growing up, then took on a permanent full time role when they were 15 and 17 years. Made redundant in July 2008, in my mid-fifties. Under Labour. Unable to get another job, suspect age – related. Took on a job which pays commission only – selling real estate – when market was waaay down. Still not making a great deal of moeny. Got behind with the rates, threatened with losing my home. Applied to WINZ for assistance. None forthcoming, best suggestion they could give was that my older son, who is a self employed contractor (not always fully employed, 20 year of age), should stop doing that and go on THE DOLE to help contribute to family expenses. We’ve NEVER done that and never will. We did try to get student allowance for youngest son for his uni studies at years start, but it seems $25,000 p.a. is earning too much for that!
Vote:Point: No matter what National (or Labour) say in policy, they’ll never be able to stop those blinkered types from seeing things their way. They genuinely thought that was the right answer.
November 23rd, 2011 at 2:59 pm
David Garrett yes agree 100% with you on steralisation in some cases. Its about protection and safety.
WTF. Since the OHS Act came in during the early 1990s employers like me have had to provide safe work places and eliminate or minimse hazards. And fair enough.
BUT babies and little kids are left in unsafe environments when it is known the environment is unsafe until the inevitable happens.
Then the Morons come out and say’Oh but we couldnt do anything until something happened cause its against law”
So I have to do something before an untoward event occurs but the BLOODY STATE WHO I EMPLOY doesnt.
Usual One rule for them another rule for us.
Time these turkeys got off their arses and started enacting sensible laws that protect babies from harm BEFORE it occurs just like I have to do in the workplace
Vote:November 23rd, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Mum: Well done you….but one sentence in your post says it all: rather than there being encouragement and assistance for your entrepreneurial self employed son, the socialists’ answer is go on the f…ing dole….the epitome of where we went wrong as a country about 40 years ago…
Vote:November 23rd, 2011 at 3:11 pm
David G: Precisely!
Vote:November 23rd, 2011 at 4:02 pm
***Bob R: One of my early controversies – overwhelmed later by others – was support on this very blog for the suggestion (Made by DPF’s mate I think) that child abusers be incentivised to get sterilized….At least half a dozen people – four of them women – who identified themselves as family lawyers contacted me with messages along the lines of “thank God someone has come out and said it..”…***
Heh, the family lawyer who said that to me was female too. I think that if more politicians and policy makers were given some family law experience they might realise some of the high minded ideals they hear in academia are hopelessly utopian.
Vote:November 23rd, 2011 at 6:34 pm
What a good positive thread
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