Roughan on Goff
November 5th, 2011 at 11:00 am by David FarrarJohn Roughan at the NZ Herald writes:
When Phil Goff called John Key a liar on television the election was over for me. Goff has no class. The more difficult decision on election day could be the referendum. Should we keep MMP?
Goff thinks calling the PM a liar is a good strategy because that what his most fervent activists think and believe. But it does not go down well with swinging voters. You think they would know that from 2008.
Key could have responded and said Goff lied over the SIS briefing. He could have said Goff lied when he ruled out raising the super age just three months ago. He could have easily lowered himself to Goff’s level.
I wish I could see the election result first. There is only one question to ask about any electoral system: will it give a result everyone can respect?
A number of people are saying that. If the election produces an outcome where Winston or the Maori Party decide the Government, then MMP’s popularity will plunge I predict. A vote for change will mean a second referendum in 2014.
Tags: John Roughan, MMP, Phil Goff
November 5th, 2011 at 11:48 am
Goff called Key a liar because key IS a liar…
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 11:51 am
Robinson, bugger off to the swamp you belong to, aka The sub-Standard.
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 11:51 am
If we have to view Goff’s claim from the Liar Paradox perspective, then he’s correct.
I think that Not PC blog agrees with Phil Goff. One thing that Phil Goff failed to realize, before he accused Mr Key of lying is that all politicians are liars including Mr Goff himself.
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 11:53 am
Jeez, the whole point of the story is about one leftard’s lack of class by falsely calling Key a liar, and the first comment is… another leftard showing his lack of class exactly the same way. Not quick learners you lot, are you?
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 11:56 am
If John Key didn’t want to be called a liar, he shouldn’t have lied about raising taxes. And he shouldn’t lie about the importance of education after he cut funding for night classes. And he shouldn’t lie about how a Labour win would cause a credit downgrade (DOUBLE downgrade on Key’s watch!).
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 11:59 am
Three more years.
Vote:Remember that the day after the election, Robinson.
November 5th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
Robinson are you still upset about the flower-arranging courses? My heart bleeds…
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
Anyway, why is a truthful statement considered lack of class? Whatever happened to honesty and integrity? Surely we would expect that as the very least of the qualities that a prime minister should hold?
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
“Note to National Party Research team.
List of lies and reversals by Phill Goff over last 30 years.
Please leak one per day, for next three weeks. Ta.” JK.
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Are the retards running the Labour campaign so short of funds that they are unable to afford media coaching, at least for Goff? A couple of sessions with Brian Edwards & even the thickest of the socialists would be able to keep their footwear well away from their false teeth most of the time.
He’d probably give them a mates rate discount & easy payment terms anyway.
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Darn, we’ll need longer than three weeks!
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Simple solution, and the only logical solution – make sure there is enough of United Future to ensure more reasonable government.
I’m surprised no attention is being given to likely influential MPs. Depth of UnitedFuture and UF #2 Doug Stevens.
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Child.
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
WTF??? P.G., you really live in a parallel universe.
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Pete, whatever the question is, the answer is not “more Peter Dunne”.
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Actually, the answer is: “No more Peter Dunne“.
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
The answer is “more than Peter Dunne”. National aren’t expected to make 50%. Think about the options.
Unless you prefer Winston Peters or Turiana Turia or Hone Harawira in king making deals.
Vote:Russell Norman as Finance Minister?
November 5th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
I’m just wondering – why do we need another referendum if folks decide to ditch MMP?
Vote:Doesn’t the questionnaire also ask what they want to have instead? Two birds with one stone.
Why go to all the trouble of asking people again in another referendum?
November 5th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
“Whatever happened to honesty and integrity? ”
9 years of labour government happened to honesty and integrity. 3 years of National has substantially restored it. Labour still prefers “nasty” to “honesty and integrity”.
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
A number of people are saying that. If the election produces an outcome where Winston or the Maori Party decide the Government, then MMP’s popularity will plunge I predict. A vote for change will mean a second referendum in 2014.
It annoys me there is almost no publicity on this. This is critical and its become lost in the noise. I suspect most voters would not even know there is a referendum coming up, let alone what the options are let alone what the pros and cons are. This resounding silence is disgraceful and I suspect, done by agreement amongst the politicians, none of whom seem to want to rock this particular political boat. This to me is an abrogation of their democratic responsibilities and an illustration of the way sometimes, all of them put their own selfish self-interest above those of the people they claim to represent and it’s highly significant that all of them, across the board, are doing this.
By this I mean, the choice is critical in this election since it forms the choice next election. So to understand the choices you have to do a lot of TV education. Docos, the full works. And no sign, at all. This is not just TV’s fault, since the politicians should be leading on this, as well.
Damn their hides.
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
Labour supporters need to take a deep breath and “burn the village to save it”.
Vote:They need to vote somewhere else if Labour is to have any hope at the election after next.
None of the Clark-era drones clinging to their list positions are going to relinquish their death grip on them because so many are essentially unemployable in any field for the same money . . . unless the role involves suckling at public or union teats where there is less accountability for non-performance.
They should be mostly replaced with people who have some experience in the private sector and were never Young Labour members, women’s studies students, or union delegates.
That would make Labour a different party next time, one that was not afraid of success or harmony.
If they count on attrition to repair themselves they will be waiting a long time because the attitudes that make them unelectable tend to reproduce in the echochamber of envy and hate.
November 5th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
“National aren’t expected to make 50%”
What else are the chicken entrails telling you Nostradamus?
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
I think reid’s comment answers Fletch’s question… too many ignorant morons won’t have a clue what the options mean without another two or three years of relentless publicity to explain them. Most people who voted MMP last time had no idea how it worked , they just had a dim awareness that the government of the day didn’t like it so it was a good way to piss them off.
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
The pitiful sight of Goff’s desperate floundering is entirely the result of National being so far to the left that they’ve completely eaten Labour’s lunch.
If Labour didn’t exist there would be no need to create it.
It literally has no raison d’etre beyond delivering continued privilege and subsidies to its owners and self-interested supporters – the leeching state sector unions and equally leeching bludgers.
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Marty’s right (dare you to post that at The Standard).
Labour are stuffed unless they do what they should done over the last three years – let go of the past and rebuild. I got jeered by the organiser of a candidate meeting (at a church) for suggesting this.
With current personnel they probably won’t successfully rebuild next term either. We need a strong opposition at least, not a wishing wail of wallowers.
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
Key could say something like – you always accuse your opponent of your own worst fault.
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
Goff failed miserably.
the only dudes who think he did OK are other piss weak lefties. Im pretty sure helen had goff fixed in the 90s
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Dunno bout good strategy but KEY IS A LIAR not because what activists believe, but by what KEY has been proven himself to be.
I could give 17 billion reasons, no make that 14 billion, nah ACKSHULLY it’s 11 billion…
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
The election is all but over when the best that the Left can do is mock John Key’s diction. BWAV and Robinson need professional help for their cases of Key Derangement Syndrome.
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
Dunno bout good strategy but KEY IS A LIAR not because what activists believe, but by what KEY has been proven himself to be.
I could give 17 billion reasons, no make that 14 billion, nah actually it’s 11 billion…
FIFY IV2…now about those lies and ghost jobs ?
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Politicians of all stripes are creative with the truth. Generally they are rewarded by being voted back in. However if they fall foul of a few enemies, they just might get jailed for it, like one Taito Phillip Field.
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
Dunno bout good strategy but KEY IS A LIAR
Isn’t that true Black?
So Key could have called Phil a liar quite easily but clearly he didn’t want to lower himself to Phil’s level. So what sort of scum supports Phil, in his race to the gutter, apart from fanatical leftists such as yourself, who clearly don’t see anything wrong, which can only mean, you’re already in the gutter yourselves.
Lefties like you Black simply make one want to vomit.
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
So calling out a proven LIAR in public is somehow a bad thing reid ?
See this is why nutjobs like you need to get your moral compass realigned and hell, i’d throw in a free lobotomy while at it.It’s not like backasswards looking fools like you need pre frontal lobes anyway.
You’re a man out of time reid. Just think of the endless hours of fun you could have had rolling marbles off your sloping forehead and watching them ski jump of your protruding brow and over your nose.
Instead we have to suffer from your kind of monkey with typwriteritis idiots with nothing better to do while your Uncle makes jokes on the TV.
so can i get you a refill on your bowl of nuts yet or maybe a belly scratcher ?
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
What a moron Roughan is. What did John Key call Goff in the second debate? He called him dishonest…Roughan must’ve missed that.
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
What? Why so silent about Phil’s lies then Black?
How come you just can’t see that?
Are you fucking stupid or are you disabled?
Which of those two is it?
There isn’t a third alternative.
He called him dishonest
So what? He didn’t call him a liar and thus demean the Office of Leader of the Opposition, did he. He’s not scum like Phil is, is he?
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
so it’s the nuts you want then reid…good oh
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Reid, I suggest you consult a dictionary if you don’t know what dishonest means. Key has demeaned the Prime Minister’s Office for quite some time. Remember when he blamed Labour for the poor guy trying to harm himself in Parliament? Yeah, real classy.
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
> clearly he didn’t want to lower himself to Phil’s level
Well, that would’ve made John a liar and a hypocrite…being a hypocrite was obviously too much for the PM to take so he took his medicine…though he ruined it somwhat with his pathetic comment that we live in a dynamic world.
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
Ross
That was the labour party shouting scum, scum across the floor at the PM, really classy that
Fuck the poor guy, probably some wet brained labour zealot anyway, nobs like you would politicize cancer if you thought one of your ilk would clap its flippers
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
writing policy now are you ?
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
Or a list candidate perhaps, another quality addition no doubt, unlikely he has any assault convictions like Trev
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
It is patently clear that Liabore only has one tactic left in the box – to try and shout / yell / demean / name call – and the reason for this is simple: They have bugger all policy and even less people who can be trusted to deliver their promises anyway.
I just LOVE it when the usual leftards (including the jaundiced T Shirt peddler from Nelson) come out screaming, because it just confirms what the great percentage of the NZ population already know – Key is the best person for the job and National will bolt in on Nov 26th.
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
> Key is the best person for the job…
Is that what he told you…and you believed him?
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
It is patently clear that Key only has one tactic left in the box – to try and shout / yell / demean / name call – and the reason for this is simple:
They have bugger all policy and even less people who can be trusted to deliver their promises anyway.
FIFY..no thanks neccessary
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
Haha – two leftards for the price of one!
But is THAT the best you can do – just copy & paste someone else’s words???
Bwahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa – have you nothing original to add? Nah – didn’t think so.
Looks like you are taking your instructions from Mallard. He hasn’t got a ferkin clue either.
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
You’re welcome.
Vote:November 5th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
If people swing against MMP because of the Maori Party deciding the election, that says an awful lot either about the idiocy of voters – the Maori Party is an electoral party, and would probably have much more influence under other systems where the number of Maori seats would, as I understand it, increase.
Vote:November 6th, 2011 at 9:32 am
The quality of rhetoric emanating from Labour’s front bench and the increasing ‘shrillness’ of their blogsphere apologists appears to be matched only by their poll rating going south.
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