The Auckland Central race

November 30th, 2011 at 5:19 pm by David Farrar

I have blogged very little this year on the race. The reason why is I’ve got a lot of time for both the candidates. I would have rather they weren’t both competing for the same seat.

It is no secret that Nikki is one of my very close friends. I’ve known her since she was 18, and she is one of the most determined, and caring, people I know.

I also got to know Jacinda before the 2008 election, and like her a lot. She’s obviously one of the more capable Labour MPs, and a good person.

There’s been a huge media interest in their contest. They’ve had to contend with weekly opposing columns in the Herald Online, dinners with the Metro editor, profiles for the Listener, endless days being accompanied by journalists, the normal series of debates and public meetings and regular mentions in the Sunday papers. Few MPs who are not Ministers have had to endure the scrutiny the pair of them have.

Under such pressure it would be pretty easy for the race to get personal, or worse. But it didn’t. While they were both fierce competitors, I’m not aware of any situations where they really slagged each other off, derided the good intentions of the other or made it personal. They debated policy and issues instead. Now this is not to say that it was all love and roses. They’re competing for the same seat, and have very different viewpoints on most issues. It was a tough sometimes bruising  race. I recall seeing Jacinda at Wellington Koru Club and asking her if she was going to manage any time off between then (it was before the campaign) and the election. Her response was that if Nikki takes a day off, then she’ll do the same. The end result being I think they both worked seven day weeks for several months.

Unless specials do something very very very unusual, Nikki has retained the seat. I’ll be very interested to see how the votes were split when we get final results. The Greens got a massive 22% of the party vote. In 2008 only one third of them voted for the Labour candidate, while this time I suspect around two thirds did.

On the night Jacinda went around to Nikki’s celebration to concede, and she got a huge round of applause from the Nats gathered there. I am a huge believer that candidates should concede in person to the winner, and equally that they should get a good reception from the winning team. I recall going with Mark Blumsky in 2005 to concede to Marian Hobbs.It’s not something you ever enjoy doing, but it is a good thing to do.

I understand Nikki is still waiting for Judith’s concession from 2008 :-)

2014 is three years away. There will be a census in 2013, and new boundaries drawn up for the 2014 election. Until the boundaries are done it is impossible to be certain about how they will affect the seat. However I have a fair amount of experience with boundaries, and in my view Auckland Central is likely to lose some of its redder areas. Time will tell.

So my congrats go to both Nikki and Jacinda for their contest. That finally brings me to the name many have applied to the contest – the “battle of the babes”. Even now the election is over, Fairfax are still using the name for their video interviews with both candidates.

I am not exactly a campaigner for political correctness, but the point has come where that tagline should die a natural death. It is demeaning, as it makes it all about their attractiveness, rather than their political abilities.

For the avoidance of doubt, yes of course both Nikki and Jacinda are attractive young women. But, so what!

Did any media call the battle for Napier the “battle of the hunks” between Chris Tremain and Stuart Nash? No. They’ve only done it to the female candidates. It is sexist, and it should stop.

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42 Responses to “The Auckland Central race”

  1. gazzmaniac (2,266 comments) says:

    They could call the Labour leadership race the “Battle of the C**ts”

    [DPF: Edited by DPF]

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  2. Grant (381 comments) says:

    Would that be the same Jacinda who preaches her socialist cant, interspersed with as many utterances of the word “comrade” as possible, on this clip?

    Sorry DPF, but I want as little to do with this misbeguided woman and her failed ideology as is humanly possible and couldnt be happier that she is not an electorate MP. In fact I’d be happier still if she’d been booted out of Parliament all together, but sadly she is another beneficiary of MMP.
    Of course, I didnt attend any of her electorate speeches during the campaign but I’d be interested to know if they were of the same far left strain as what is on the clip, and if they weren’t, then I wonder whether potential voters saw the real Jacinda, or was it the IUSY people that were being duped.

    Comrade? F.ck Yeah
    G

    [DPF: Oh I think her policies are wrong, seriously wrong. But I can differentiate between a person and their policies]

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  3. Sublime (41 comments) says:

    The “battle of the babes” has simply become a media catch-phrase, nothing more.

    Although Napier might be, to some, a “battle of the hunks”, it sounds retarded, hence
    why you won’t hear it being thrown around.

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  4. GL (58 comments) says:

    Good post DPF. Particularly appreciated the comments at the end speaking out against the “battle of the babes” tagline. I would make one amendment to your post. The number of green voters who voted for Tizard was actually 50.15% not 33%: http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2008/elect-splitvote-1.html

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  5. dave (985 comments) says:

    “I understand Nikki is still waiting for Judith’s concession from 2008 :-)”

    Likewise, Ohariu MP Peter Dunne is awaiting Charles Chauvel’s concession from 2011 and 2008 ( unsure about 2005)…

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  6. Grant (381 comments) says:

    “DPF: Oh I think her policies are wrong, seriously wrong. But I can differentiate between a person and their policies]”

    As can we all DPF, and thanks for the reply by the way, but I take the view that anyone pushing a socialist agenda such as hers cannot be a nice person by dint of the misery she seeks to inflict on others with them. Sometimes it’s not just a game.
    G

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  7. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Oh dear David,
    You say, referring to Jacinda,
    “She’s obviously one of the more capable Labour MPs”
    What on earth brings you to that perverse conclusion ?
    What has she done except look nice ?
    List ONE thing that she has done.

    Maybe she gets the award for illegal signs.

    Lost your objectivity with this one mate.

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  8. JamesS (352 comments) says:

    The reason Nikky Kaye is still waiting for Judith Tizard’s concession is – the 2008 election was a “rogue poll” ha ha

    If you have been following NZ history during the last half a century, or have read Cath Tizard’s silly autobiography book, you will see Judith is a chip off the old block – her parents are still reliving the 1960 election in Tamaki and convinced it was also a ‘rogue poll’ and that Bob Tizard should have been rightly re-elected.

    Rob Muldoon was illegitimate for 31 years because the silly, deluded folk of Tamaki were always pining for their best ever MP – Bob Tizard (that great leader of men and saviour of mankind)
    By voting for Rob Muldoon in that rogue poll in 1960 the people of Tamaki prevented mankind from experiencing a Bob Tizard instigated cure for cancer (and everything else) in the same way the silly Auckland Central electors in 2008 prevented world peace, cures for AIDS, poverty, unemployment, the financial crash, leprosy, typhoid and numerous other things Judith Tizard MP was just about to announce…

    Some people will just not accept the will of electors (or have any sort of self awareness).

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  9. Anna2 (1 comment) says:

    Hear hear. Hated the ‘battle of the babes’ name.

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  10. SHG (320 comments) says:

    @bereal:

    What has she done except look nice ?

    That’s something that not many other Labour MPs are capable of.

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  11. Lance Wiggs (3 comments) says:

    I voted in this electorate, and it was a tough choice, and was always a close race. Congratulations to Nikki Kaye, who I hope we will see as a minister this time, and I’m also glad Jacinda Ardern is back in the house.

    Both candidates and teams campaigned very hard, although I ran into Jacinda’s campaign more often than Nikki’s. Both candidates are excellent MPs, and both demonstrated an excellent grasp of and for the electorate.

    I Dave that you refer to both candidates by their first name only in this post, whereas Hone and Peter (Dunne) are referred to by their last names. I suspect this comes from the same innate bias that we all have which makes “battle of the babes” (the first I’ve heard of it referred to this way) more sellable than the same for their male counterparts. It’s also a sign I guess of how well you know them.

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  12. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    I think Jacinda’s politics belong to an era long since passed, don’t these people ever learn, ,having said that it’s good that there is no animosity between the two candidates. It’s a pity the same can’t be said about the aspiring leader of Liarbore. Mr Cunliffe displays no such quality’s, it’s fairly clear what a spiteful, vile individual he is.

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  13. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Not just David F.

    Can anyone point to ANYTHING Jacinda has done as an MP to make her stand out from the pack
    except look good.

    How shallow can you be ?

    Jacinda makes Darien Fenton look like a deap thinker.

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  14. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    sorry DEEP thinker.

    Still, i stand by waiting for anyone, including David F. to tell us why they rate Jacinda
    other than her looks, bet they can’t.

    Prove me wrong.

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  15. thedavincimode (6,102 comments) says:

    DPF

    It isn’t a table tennis match and a case of well done and go you good thing.

    Adern is guilty by association. If she had any principles at all, she wouldn’t be involved with those creeps. The fact that she is and is prepared to have her name associated with Liebore simply lumps her in with the rest of that disgraceful trash.

    She can ‘ta te ta’ all she likes around the political moth set all she likes but the bottom line is that by remaining in that party she is effectively endorsing all that we have seen from it.

    If she had any principles at all she would chuck them in and get into Colgate commercials if she was that desperate to earn a crust.

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  16. Tauhei Notts (1,508 comments) says:

    Hey, DPF,
    Remember that time I hosted Jacinda, you and Whale Oil for lunch at my place.
    Remarkable when you think about it.

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  17. tvb (3,937 comments) says:

    I am trying to figure out what the political significance of this contest. I guess it is whether National can appeal to a liberal well healed electorate or whether Labour can. Many of these people live in million dollar houses and will be significantly hit by a capital gains tax. Apart from the media interest in this contest, perhaps many jour no’s live there it leaves the rest of NZ cold.

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  18. JamesS (352 comments) says:

    Bereal that is because Jacinda (for obvious reasons I will not mention in case I am accused of focusing on the physical) has been told for 3 decades she is ‘special’ and sooooooooo f**king important.

    I understand she grew up in Morrinsville.

    Back in the 1980s there were two sorts of girls in Morrinsville – those who made themselves attractive to unmarried rich dairy farmers, and ugly ducklings no one cared for and laughed at.

    One of the ugly ducklings (I shall not name the one I am thinking of) was told by parents, teachers – and everyone else who seeks to deny reality – that she was special, that men are more interested in “brains” than good looks (forgive me whilst I piss myself laughing), that all that was important was passing those exams, that all that was important was ‘proving yourself’ and that men ‘respect’ females with brains (yeah right! as the Tui billboards would say) rather than females they can do their dirty business with before snapping back to reality.

    Fast forward to 2011.

    The pretty girls who had stunning good looks (who learnt what ‘oral sex’ meant and were willing pupils) are now are married to incredibly rich dairy farmers (surprise, surprise) and laughing all the way to the bank, quite literally, as their recent winter holiday in Europe showed. Very wise.

    Jacinda loses an election yet due to childhood brainwashing (and the cruel and neglectful behaviour of teachers, parents and everyone else) is under the bizarre and delusional impression that somehow or other makes her a future Prime Minister.

    Let’s revisit the situation in 2030 when everyone is aged 50 and Jacinda is still a vi-(okay will not finish that)

    I am offering 10000000000 to 1 odds on who (the pretty girls or the ugly ducklings circa 1992) is right and who is delusional and ended up wasting their life.

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  19. RRM (8,988 comments) says:

    The seething hatred of the Kiwiblog readers – it’s quite amusing :-)

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  20. Steve (4,313 comments) says:

    Morrinsville? These days pretty hard to find a woman with a full set of teeth and no kids there

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  21. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    RRM…..what seething hate? Its all rather mild stuff here. Go to The Standard if you want to see seething hate.

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  22. dime (8,742 comments) says:

    I struggle with Jacinda.

    From what i understand, mummy was an MP?

    I checked her wikipedia bio and it says this

    “Ardern has spent time in London, working as a senior policy advisor.[3] In early 2008 she was elected as the President of the International Union of Socialist Youth[4]”

    so basically, a typical labour MP. does nothing. gets elected on the list and thinks she speaks for all of us. cool.

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  23. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    It wouldn’t be so bad if we were discussing two good looking women , we are not.

    I believe plain was the polite old fashioned term, homely perhaps.

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  24. davidp (3,319 comments) says:

    >I am a huge believer that candidates should concede in person to the winner,

    I’m curious how conceding actually works. If I stood for the Aotearoa Gnome Owners Party and received 6 votes in Welly Central, am I expected to pick up the phone at the end of the evening and give Grant Robertson a call? If I was also the party leader then should I also put in a call to John Key?

    [DPF: Generally the concession is only from the 2nd place getter to the winner. Others can concede but normally it is more just a congratulatory call]

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  25. Ryan Sproull (6,641 comments) says:

    Stay classy, Kiwiblog commenters.

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  26. Disraeli Gladstone (5 comments) says:

    JamesS (111) Says:
    November 30th, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    “that she was special, that men are more interested in “brains” than good looks (forgive me whilst I piss myself laughing), that all that was important was passing those exams, that all that was important was ‘proving yourself’ and that men ‘respect’ females with brains (yeah right! as the Tui billboards would say)”

    … wow, I think you managed to be sexist towards men and women. That’s no mean feat, buddy. Cherish that useful skill.

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  27. gazzmaniac (2,266 comments) says:

    I wouldn’t kick either of them out of bed.

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  28. Dick (80 comments) says:

    Sorry David but you are the sexist one here. You are writing praise for both of them when neither has achieved anything of significance since entering Parliament. You are obviously only saying good things about them because they are female, not because they have any accomplishments.

    [DPF: That is your ignorance showing. Nikki has achieved a huge amount for different communities and groups in Auckland Central]

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  29. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    They are politicians ,they intend fucking the entire country not just Mrs Maniacs young fella Gazz

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  30. dime (8,742 comments) says:

    they are office hot

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  31. big bruv (12,319 comments) says:

    Well said Dime.

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  32. V (660 comments) says:

    @Tauhei Notts

    I’m amazed that such a meeting could occur, considering WO has referred to her as “neigh neigh” the whole campaign. Maybe it’s a pet name or something ?!?

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  33. MrTips (134 comments) says:

    It is sexist, and it should stop.

    ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    This from a guy who sees nothing wrong with porn, erotica shows and so on…..

    Never let consistency get in the way of currying favour eh?

    [DPF: What's porn got to do with it? AFAIK there is male and female porn]

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  34. gump (1,228 comments) says:

    JamesS – congratulations for writing the creepiest Kiwiblog comment I’ve read this year.

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  35. GL (58 comments) says:

    ^ seconded.

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  36. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    Oh get real DPF.

    Most men and more than a few women like the look of an attractive female. Its quite natural.

    If your father wasnt like most males – you wouldnt be here. Give itsome thought and then you might come to ther conclusion that the ‘Battle of the babes” should be a welcome change to the last few years when the PC police would kill such thoughts.

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  37. Mobile Michael (363 comments) says:

    For F@#ks sake, if every voter read this thread they’d never vote for a centre right party again. JamesS might have said the most offensive thing I’ve ever read.

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  38. voice of reason (491 comments) says:

    JamesS – wow what a post. It had everything. Time travel, sex, farming, money and gambling.

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  39. aitkenmike (94 comments) says:

    It amuses me that the loudest complainers about the level of discourse at the standard (which I avoid like the plague) also seem to be the most toxic posters here.

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  40. Ed Snack (1,533 comments) says:

    Yep, some exceptionally tasteless comments on this one. I have made a thing that the left subsists on hate, but reading this thread I think I might have to consider the disease a bit more widespread.

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  41. Tauhei Notts (1,508 comments) says:

    Steve at 7.23 yesterday.
    You have obviously, like me, been into Countdown, Morrinsville on benefit day.

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  42. David Garrett (5,119 comments) says:

    Ah guys….before you all get carried away and swoon about My Little Pony….she is a dyed in the wool commie masquerading as a socialist…..Catherine Delahunty with good dental work, and a few more clues about deceiving the great unwashed….

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