Unanswered questions re Jolyon White
November 16th, 2011 at 10:04 am by David FarrarFormer Green party member Jolyon White has said he co-ordinated the sticker campaign, but did not take part himself.
But how curious is it, that a man and a woman riding the motorcycle registered to him were seen vandalising billboards in Christchurch with the stickers?
The most likely explanation is that this Anglican Church employee is lying. And if he is lying about this, why would he be telling the truth about how he arranged the nationwide campaign.
The Greens have not said how many of their parliamentary staff knew about the campaign. We know at least one did. They have said they will not investigate until after the election. This leaves open the possibility that several of their staff knew, or were involved, in the campaign.
Related posts:
- It was the Greens
- Jolyon White referred to the Police
- Unanswered Questions
- Some answers to the 12 questions
November 16th, 2011 at 10:12 am
I fail to see what the problem is here.
The billboard stickers were clever, and hardly vandalism. The “damage” can be repaired by peeling them off.
However I don’t believe for a minute that this was not widely known in the Greens. I also believe that the 50 people who did the work were Green-Occupy activists. What surprises me is the leaders’ attempts to distance themselves from what to me is a clever bit of election humour.
[DPF: You have made the mistake of believing the liar. They showed on TV that peeling one off destroys the horading underneath]
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 10:14 am
Meh. This has all the hallmarks of a “look over there” distraction strategy to stop people talking about the teapot tapes. Or policy. Or anything important.
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 10:17 am
BWAHAAHA!!! Harpooned…
And they said this campaign season was boring.
Dave A – why do you seem to be telling us inside information? Were you part of the stickering?
Vote:And if you read the news – the stickers pull the paint off when you remove them.
November 16th, 2011 at 10:17 am
“The “damage” can be repaired by peeling them off.”
Wrong. They lift the surface of the original when they are removed. The Nats should sent Wussell the bill.
And I’m waiting for confirmation of the identity of the woman on the bike. If the rumours are correct, this will be fun!
Cue: Popcorn.
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 10:18 am
This whole issue is a side show. Cant see what the use is speculating further. Norman handled it well and the perpetrators have been outed. now it is just yesterdays fish and chip paper.
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 10:19 am
You see Dave,
The problem here is that vandalising other people’s billboards is against the law. You might think that the stickers are clever, but I think that writing ‘cunt’ all over the billboards of the party I don’t like is equally clever. Who is right here? Is it not just a matter of perspective or is one more legal than the other?
The Greens think they are so clever ‘culture jamming’. Wow someone must have dug up an old volume of “no Logo”, so 1999.
The fact remains that they broke the law. Certainly a couple of vandalised billboards will not cause a catastrophic breakdown of government, but the Greens have sent a clear message that most people would interpret as: “Suck my balls, National supporters. We are Greens and rules do not apply to us.”
Vote:Am I wrong?
November 16th, 2011 at 10:20 am
Ooh Mark – look over there —-> . . . . . na – back to the Greens’ own goal.
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 10:20 am
So…let’s see……….
Norman denied all knowlege until Whale published the motorbike registrations………….
Suddenly Green members phoned him saying that they recognised Jolyon’s voice……………..
Norman then outs Jolyon, claiming “…………I know nothing………..”
Jolyon’s wife is Norman’s EA………………..
The motorbike (Jolyon’s) was ridden by a man with a female pillion passenger……………
Jolyon claims not to have taken part but cannot remember who was riding his bike and who was the passenger………………
Jolyon’s wife (Norman’s EA) knew of the scheme for 2 months……………..
50 Green members were involved……………………..
Turei uses slogans on Twitter very similar to the billboard vandalism……………
Norman is either a liar or totally incompetent.
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 10:21 am
Has anyone asked the Anglican Church if coordinating a vandalism campaign is appropriate for their employee?
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 10:22 am
Saw Jolly On on TV refusing to apologise for the stunt – the guy is a grade A wanker, along with the majority of his green/watermelon control freaks.
I hope they get prosecuted – anyone who supports or condones this type of activity is as immature as dear Jolly On.
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 10:23 am
The scale of this operation makes it implausible that the Leadership did not know something was up. This is far far worse than the Exclusive Bretheran thing, yet somehow I have no confidence National (whose political skills make me weep) will not achieve the same political results that Helen Clark got.
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 10:24 am
Is the media going to ask some more probing questions about this SCANDAL??
When did Turia know about it?
A vote for the Greens is a vote radicalism and vandalism?
When did “Freedom of Speech” transform into “Freedom to Vandalise”?
Is it right to deface your oppostions signs just because you dont agree with them?
Why is the National Party not complaining to the Police?
If they dont then they are condoning vandalism and graffitti for all?
If a graffiti artist can spray on the windows and wall of a company he doesnt like – would it be right to report it to the Police, – if you knew who had done it?
What is the difference if the graffitti is done very professionally?- Is it right?
A vandal jumped on John Keys limo one day – was it right and legal?
Should he have been reported? – What is the difference? It is either legal or illegal.
If it is legal for the Greens, it is legal for the Nats?
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 10:25 am
gumpy
They aren’t married or even living together – she is his girlfriend (he said). She lives in Wellington; him in Christchurch.
So, who was the mystery woman he had on the back of his bike?
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 10:29 am
National should replace the billboard where they are permanently damaged and go the clown for damages.
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 10:29 am
Perhaps the man and woman were the (I know nothing) Leadership of the Greens. Norman’s implausible denial does not add up. There were too many people involved and included people close to the Leadership.
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 10:37 am
thedavincimode
Bloody hell, he might have a huge amount of explaining to do then (unless the Greens paid for an airfare from Wellington to Christchurch)………………….
Not quite as much as Norman but still a bloody lot…………….
This election could keep Tui going for some time…………….
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 10:44 am
tvb:
I completely agree. The Nat’s always look like they’re sleepwalking their way through an election campaign. They need a harder edge.
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 10:46 am
Indeed gumpy.
I can almost see the headline in next week’s edition of the Womans Blurgh: “My Public Betrayal”; and in the Womans Bweww: “My Commitment to Social Equity Tore us Apart”
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 10:48 am
The most telling thing about this is the attitude of the perpetrators and their defenders/colleagues.
They simply think that defacing other people’s private property is a valid thing to do.
They do not see they have done anything wrong.
They display all the hallmarks of sociopathic, utilitarians who wish to mold society into their own form and views, and will do anything to achieve it. They are critical of religion, yet work for them.
This smug, self righteous attitude is appalling, yet also appealing at the same time (to 10% of voters at least).
But then what can you expect from someone suffering from silly first name syndrome?
And how does Russell Norman resolve this attitude with “Give me back my flag!”
A vote for the Greens is a vote for madness and dangerous anarchy combined with utilitarian/totalitarian methods.
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 10:51 am
“Give me back my flag!”
I had forgotten that. Classic.
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 10:56 am
“give me back my billboards…”
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 10:58 am
Superb hedavincimode;
Especially if it was Sue Bradford…………….
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 10:59 am
bahahahaha
Vote:Nationals campaign is reduced to digging dirt on a guy with some stickers and a motorbike.
November 16th, 2011 at 11:05 am
Russell Norman is a total retard if he expects us to swallow his bullshit that his PA has been stood down and Jolyone White has quit the Greens – so end of story. There were 700 acts of vandalism in one night, all over the country – he knows that other Green members are involved, yet he is happy to do nothing about it. I thought they painted themselves as the party above dirty politics, now its clear why they call themselves the Greens – as in slimey.
Edit: I know Russell is an Aussie, but why is he always seen with that little wombat in an ill-fitting suit by his side? Is it some sort of Green in-joke (saving endangered species?) or does the gormless little critter actually work for him?
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 11:07 am
M@tt: and yet national are on track to thrash Labour at the only poll that counts by a record margin, and form a government in coalition with Banks and Brash.
God that must piss you off royally
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 11:10 am
“Give me back my flag” didn’t have the same ring to it as Mr J Caesar’s: “Valerius, give me back my armies”.
Mr Caesar also enjoyed a bit more success in implementing his directive.
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 11:15 am
Norman still hasn’t fronted up to tell us how often he met with White and what they discussed when they did. But in the mean time, even John Pagani disagrees with the Green vandals…
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/blogs/john-pagani-left-leaning/5974667/Vandalism-isn-t-free-speech
And isn’t it strange that Mr Green rides a motorbike when he is opposed to mining. Unless it is made of bamboo and propelled by his feet like the motor vehicles in the Flintstones, then it seems he is the beneficiary of both the mining and the petroleum industries.
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 11:17 am
The real issue here is what Norman knew, and when he knew it….See my comments regarding an MP’s relationship with his or her EA on the tail end of the thread “It was the Greens”…
Plausible deniability didnt work for Nixon, and it shouldnt work for Norman…interesting that Turei has been very quiet….
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 11:20 am
THe Greens are handling the damage control quite well. Far far better than Brash over the Exclusive Bretheran thing which was a non event if there was one. But how can we accept that 700 acts of coordinated vandalism right across NZ that mainlines right into Russell Norman’s personal staff did not at least have Norman’s tacit approval.
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 11:21 am
Jolyon White was like the “possum in the headlights”. He did not know how to lie his way out of the mess , changing his story from one minute to the next. To suggest it is their “right to free speech” was so ridiculus I guess he had to think of some more BS.
I agree with others that the issue shows Norman has no leadership skills at all. He might think he has slimed out of this but I’m sure there is more to come.
Even idiot Mark Sainsbury was not sucked in by White when he interviewed him last night.
But the Greens will enjoy a good result , for them , on election night but come next election when Labour should have got their act together the Greens will go down a Labour regains more of the left vote.
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 11:23 am
davidp: excellent! Remnds me that Sue Kedgley (resident of that suburb above Oriental Bay whose name escapes me for the moment) used to draive (Sue’s pronunication) a V8 Range Rover….. They have a 150 litre tank for a reason….
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 11:32 am
“Unless it is made of bamboo and propelled by his feet like the motor vehicles in the Flintstones,”
David Garrett
As I noted the other day when she was on Radio Pinko with some Labour dickhead regarding teacupgate, she was very reserved in her criticism and supportive of Key’s right to privacy. She only went as far as to say that given the tape was now out there, the best think for Key to do was simply own up to anything that he shouldn’t have said, “apologise and move on”. “we all say dumb things from time to time” she said. This was the morning that White was outed publicly.
Coincidence? White was on before that discussion – something like an hour perhaps.
I find it hard to believe that Norman would be so stupid as to not put a stop to it if he had heard about it. I can’t say the same about Turei and her very low key (sorry) response over teacupgate seemed so out of character it does make one wonder with hindsight if she knew about it and was aware that they were about to be sprung.
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 11:42 am
In my local electorate Maori Party, Mana Party, and Greens hoardings have been vandalised, ie destroyed and is reminiscent of the last elections where National and Labours hoardings suffered a similar fate.
Vote:In the last few elections hoardings seem to have become far game for the bored and dispossessed and it is at times humorous to see who gets the fangs and pointy ear treatment first. Helen Clark was a regular target for years and lately John Key has become the new target.
November 16th, 2011 at 11:57 am
I don’t think Russel knew because if he did know, there is no case for the employment discussion and suspension that his EA is subject to. Why do some here think that EAs are incapable of keeping secrets from their political masters, especially when keeping something secret protects them?
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 11:59 am
> Wrong. They lift the surface of the original when they are removed
So the obvious solution would be not to remove the stickers. Why do right-wingers like to whinge when a simple solution is staring them in the face?
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
insider: you clearly are not one….By definition, any EA who acted as you suggest would be incompetent, unqualifed for her position, and above all, acting contrary to the interests of her boss….
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
I wonder if it was Bradford & Norman on the motorbike…..wouldn’t that be a sight!
Yep I agree the vandals should be charged for the damage caused to the hoardings, key & co are sleeping walking through this campaign (good they aren’t resorting to the gutter tactics of the left but surely they could kick some ass?) & yep the greens are hypocrites: stickers are made of plastic = mining = cough bullshitters. Not to mention their clothing, shoes, cosmetics, cars, houses, computers, tvs etc etc which would all have plenty of products resultant from mining & child labour.
The only green they possess is envy….
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Where is Metiria Turei ?
Norman may not have known but the paths are leading back to the leadership – Turei.
Given time we shall see this more openly when the Police investigate – sometime in 2013 or so.
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Rightnow says:- “The motorbike (Jolyon’s) was ridden by a man with a female pillion passenger……………”
So you’re saying Jolly-on-the-spot’s having an affair?
As for the stickers…. well at least they’re nicely presented. The vandalism of most party hoardings around Howick is really rather poorly executed and vulgar.
Perhaps applying a little heat by way of a small propane burner with a heat dispersing nozzle might lift the stickers.
Might burn down the billboard though….
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
David Garrett: “. . . would be incompetent, unqualifed for her position, and above all, acting contrary to the interests of her boss….”
That’s pretty much the job description for their candidates.
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
The Melons new push for civility and the middle ground has a veneer to it as about as thick as a cigarette paper. This latest stunt should serve as a warning that their words and actions should be taken with very large grains of salt. They are first and foremost communists, totalitarians who are fueled by envy.
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
@ David
EAs are entitled to have private lives and private conversations outside their working lives. They are not owned by their bosses. In this case the two intersected and she, in hindsight, made a poor decision not to disclose. I’d agree that that opens her to the imcompetent label. I’m not defending her decision just saying that witholding information can be a form of protection that is used all the time in govt – it allows good old plausible deniability. Your own recent experiences are a salient example of people’s judgements in such cases going awry (I’m not trying to be offensive or hurtful, I’m just trying to show that experienced, trusted people can err with the best of inentions).
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
Mark said
You couldn’t be more wrong Mark. Ever heard the exporession “death by a thousand leaks”? Just keep watching Whaleoil’s blog as the incriminating leaks continue…
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
Gareth Hughes has been very quiet on Twitter and Facebook in the last 24 hours; coincidence?
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
Superboy would love to do this sort of stuff .. I want to see the TV camera lens zoom, yes zooooooom in on Turei’s eyes when asked what she knew about all of this BEFORE OneJolly White was outed.
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
Jaba- Agree 110%. This has the stench of that self professed ‘activist’ Metiria Turei all over it…
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
If Jollyboy keeps this shit up, the Anglicans will have him struck by lightening. That should wake him up to the real World
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
Turei will now stay out of the media – she will fly below the radar. Agree with Jaba and Longknives this nasty little saga has Turei’s grubby little fingerprints all over it. She missed off her favourite saying though “Fuck it”.
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
Jaba,
If you are saying a Maori activist is involved that means it is racially motivated, not just the Greens?
Yeah I know, trolling but I don’t mind winding the bastards up
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
Haven’t heard a bleep yet from the Electoral Commission over this. Is the bunch of “non-Green” conspiratorial perpetrators properly registered under the Act? How much did the stunt actually cost (I don’t believe the $500 claim, even for the printed materials alone). Where’s the name and address authorisation on their material?
As usual, Hell will freeze over before we see the Police or the Electoral Commission take action against this kind of deliberate thumbing of lefty noses at the law of the land.
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 10:15 pm
What a bunch of sanctimonious hypocrites the greens are. After all their grizzling over the exclusive brethren leaflets, it is now known that it is they who are behind a similar campaign, but with the notable difference that their campaign is in breach of both electoral and property laws. If the green party are not, as they claim, directly involved (yeah right!), they are still a hell of a lot closer to the perpetrators than National ever were to the exclusive brethren.
Bill
Vote:November 16th, 2011 at 11:32 pm
Let’s all stop being so cute about it – this was known by many inside the Green Party. I’d hazard a guess that at least one co-leader was briefed about it when it was organised. I would also wager that funding for this came from the party one way or another – as “non aligned grassroots activists” wouldn’t have that sort of cash floating about normally. Especially as it was a lie that it only cost $500 for 700 signs to be vandalised, not unless you already have a contract with a printer (political parties and student unions/trade unions will)
This has Wild Greens written all over it. How else do you explain Motueka and Golden Bay being involved? I know the top of the south area very well and this smacks hard of their foolishness.
Russells EA was a major player in this – as was her b/f who was riding the motorcycle during the vandalism in Chch. Soon as more leaks come out, we will see something that will blow this “teagate” out of the headlines. This has everything – political scandal, lying MPs and a rotten core of parliamentary service/party appointees running sabotage from leaders offices.
The Watermelons might have a shit hot spin team that seems to have fooled many people that they are middle of the road – but they are still very red in the middle. Most Greens would be more than happy to denounce capitalism – immediately AFTER the election.
Vote:November 17th, 2011 at 6:41 am
The MSM attempts to diminish the importance of this scandal are pathetic, only because it was perpetrated by the Luddites.
Just read today’s Dom Post editorial to get an idea how the hacks are ready to defend the Left (I’ll include the link once the website is updated.)
Vote:November 17th, 2011 at 7:42 am
In 2005 Robert Atack was fined $1500 for defacing two National party billboards, plus $160 charged to remove a sign he had placed in front of another billboard. So it looks like the Greens should be facing about $112,000 to remove stickers from their criminality. Looking forward to it.
Vote:Freedom and liberty are so precious that in this bastion of democracy we should treat those who flout it harshly, especially when one considers how many people live under tyrants and despots in the world. Shame on the Green Party may your vote suffer.
November 17th, 2011 at 9:57 am
Clint heine: Spot on analysis in my view….although having thought about it some more and read all the comments here, I wonder whether Red Russel really didnt know…but Turei did…I agree that at least one of the them must have known…
And a bit off topic, but you have to give some credit to Mad Cath Delahunty…at least she ADMITS to still being a commie….they others who deny it are the more dangerous…
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