General Debate 19 December 2011

December 19th, 2011 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. ciaron (1,389 comments) says:

    For all those working; ONE MORE WEEK TO GO!

    For those already on holiday; Sod off you jammy buggers! :)

    For those working through; Shit.

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  2. immigant (950 comments) says:

    5 more days of Horrors of work.

    Meanwhile in NZ -http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10774037

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  3. Pete George (23,345 comments) says:

    There’s some very unhappy Labour campers around, the sound of hissing may be pissing on their own BBQ.

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  4. big bruv (13,571 comments) says:

    Hang on a minute ciaron.

    Why are you having holidays?, are you not being held back from earning extra money?, are you being told by the government that you have to stop working?…what about your student loan???…what about those who love to work Xmas day and New Years?

    Or does that only matter at Easter?

    P.S..and I do hope that all of you who get all bent out of shape over the Easter trading hours are being true to your word and working right through the holiday period (including the stat holidays)

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  5. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    What’s yur opinion – Was Waitakere an isolated freak occurrence, or would similar scrutiny reveal more dodgy voting in other seats? Is this a wake up call and shouldn’t we review how our votes are counted, if every duff vote can effectively cancel out a real one with impunity?

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  6. flipper (3,847 comments) says:

    Lee CX

    Yep, probably the tip of the iceberg…..especially in areas where Labour has a big majority and finding the miscreants is not worth the trouble. Come to think of it though, where could it end? Will we have to adopt middle-east like precautions? Sad business. One hopes that Labour decides to launch the petition. Silly buggers that they are.

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  7. ciaron (1,389 comments) says:

    Bruv;
    I hope your sense of humour arrives in time for Christmas.

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  8. DavidC (179 comments) says:

    PG @ 8.17
    Indeed there are. Reading the “easy come easy go” post (Bennett beating Septic) is great entertainment.
    Great comments by a green party guy telling mickeysavage to go f**k himself for trying to rewrite history wrt a deal that was never done for the greens to support Septic openly.
    Sounds like MS just fu*ked it up !

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  9. KiwiGreg (3,224 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10774041

    So poor she cant afford a bed but had $9 to throw at Lotto. Good on her for winning but how many weeks of $9 had she wasted and how are your priorities being set.

    I really dont like Lotto. It’s state owned, it targets the working poor and beneficiaries with its advertising, and it’s set up to create dependency on the state for charities instead of relying on traditional donations. Privatise the thing.

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  10. Pete George (23,345 comments) says:

    If Lotto was privatised it would probably just become more efficient at fleecing the sheep who can least afford it.

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  11. hmmokrightitis (1,572 comments) says:

    @DavidC

    Im sure MS will be along soon to correct us, and inform us that labour is putting together a petition to the Courts for a Review, and he will himself be fronting up with a cheque to cover recount costs. Or not. :) The stupidity of arguing on a blog, in public. This is one lawyer who gives the rest a bad name.

    But Mickey, oh Mickey, please do keep going, its a beautiful thing to watch. What next, scratchign eyes out? What will you do when Cunners goes stage left in a purple hissy fit? Will he mix it with Mana, or would that offend his right wing beliefs?

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  12. jonnobanks (148 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6158896/Tax-cuts-no-longer-a-National-priority

    Of course they are not, with this Labour-lite government. Bet tax increases will be however.

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  13. MT_Tinman (3,055 comments) says:

    big bruv (9,708) Says:
    December 19th, 2011 at 8:20 am

    P.S..and I do hope that all of you who get all bent out of shape over the Easter trading hours are being true to your word and working right through the holiday period (including the stat holidays)

    I for one will be happily working through, including “stat” holidays.

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  14. Scott Chris (5,981 comments) says:

    I don’t have a problem with Lotto. It’s a mugs game, but in the long run you’ll get back 80% of your ‘investment’ on average and you have the added benefit of the sense of anticipation which accompanies a fool’s hope.

    Mostly harmless and the entertainment value probably outweighs it’s cost to your average mug. Yeah, it’s a good thing in moderation.

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  15. wreck1080 (3,815 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/6158995/70-000-pay-boost-for-council-boss

    Christchurch City Council chief executive Tony Marryatt has received a $68,129 pay rise, taking his salary from $470,400 to $538,529 a year effective from July 1, 2011.

    They say, he deserves the rise because of the earthquake. Does this mean everyone affected by the earthquake should get a 15% pay rise?

    This is crap, because it has just raised the average salary for CEO’s, so now our CEO will get a similar raise.

    I’d say, this guy would do the job for 250k , not a bad deal at all.

    Damn.

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  16. dime (9,676 comments) says:

    lmao you get back 80% of your investment playing lotto?

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  17. Other_Andy (2,515 comments) says:

    Redundancies expected at Ports of Auckland

    Ports of Auckland have told staff that redundancies are “almost inevitable” given the loss of a major $20m shipping contract, but the Maritime Union of New Zealand disagrees.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/6160675/Redundancies-expected-at-Ports-of-Auckland

    It couldn’t have happened to a nicer bunch.

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  18. dime (9,676 comments) says:

    other_andy – hehehe

    sadly their will be no change in income for the union officials who once again fucked over a bunch of their own members.

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  19. Other_Andy (2,515 comments) says:

    @wreck1080

    The ratepayers are getting milked for all their worth.
    Council salaries all over New Zealand are through the roof.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/capital-debate/5661394/Capital-debate-Are-council-bosses-salaries-fair

    Wellington City Council CEO $419,230
    Auckland City Council CEO $743.000
    Christchurch City Council CEO $538,529

    More than the Prime Minister of New Zealand ($400,500)
    The Auckland City Council CEO ‘earns’ more than the Australian Prime Minister ($630,000)

    It’s a rort and they are robbing the ratepayers blind.
    Everybody has a hard time making ends meet and they are rewarding themselves with pay rises, the equivalent of a families wage.
    It is time the Government steps in and cuts them down to size.

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  20. Falafulu Fisi (2,177 comments) says:

    Scott Chris, would you care to explain of how dark matter had been hypothesized that it exist? On what basis its hypothesis was based on? Are you aware that one of the methods in the confirmation of a black hole existence is its formation as a binary (star) with another visible star? Angular momentum conservation is used.

    I would be interested to see your explanation of how dark matter had come to be hypothesized that it exist in the first place?

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  21. reid (16,111 comments) says:

    Was Waitakere an isolated freak occurrence, or would similar scrutiny reveal more dodgy voting in other seats?

    Kiely revealed 425 declared votes were disallowed – nine were dual votes, 393 ineligible votes and 12 were not authorised by a witness.

    “Those 393, not only were they not on the roll in Waitakere, but they weren’t enrolled anywhere.”

    So what some journo needs to find out is which party(s) those disallowed were voting for.

    Also how the counting process allowed those 393 to be counted in the first place when they weren’t even on the roll. For example, who were the registrars who passed those votes as eligible?

    Also the country origins of the disallowed postals and the polling stations of the disallowed polled votes.

    Let’s hope they tell us all of that very soon, like this afternoon.

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  22. dime (9,676 comments) says:

    Ive decided Shearer is a moron.

    From some speech he gave:

    “We are running into the limits of this country’s resources. Ever since colonisation, first by Maori and then by Pakeha, greater wealth has come through greater exploitation of the bounty of our beautiful islands and the sea. But we cannot get richer any longer by this path: there is only so much water in our rivers, only so much arable land, only so many fish in the sea. We have to use what we have more smartly, not just hope to find more natural resources to sell.”

    Umm what about digging some shit up? seems to work for countless other countries.

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  23. reid (16,111 comments) says:

    Ten USAF air-launched guns weapons that make a really loud bang:

    http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/12/future-air-weapons/?mbid=ob_ppc_dangerroom&pid=975&viewall=true

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  24. Scott Chris (5,981 comments) says:

    dime says:- “lmao you get back 80% of your investment playing lotto?”

    Yup. If you buy a ticket once a week for 40 years, *on average* you’ll spend maybe $20,000, and win back $16,000 excluding interest etc.

    So you lose $4,000 plus compound interest differential, which is the price you pay for the entertainment it provides. (or your folly depending on how you see things)

    And if your chance on each ticket is one in a million to win the big one, then if you buy a ticket each week for fourty years, your chances of winning the big one once in all that time increase to one in five hundred. Still fucked odds.

    Like I say. It’s a mugs game. I don’t buy lotto tickets.

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  25. Fletch (6,151 comments) says:

    Thousands rally to save nativity scene –

    As many as 5,000 attended a rally in a small Texas community to show their support for a Nativity scene under attack by a Wisconsin-based atheist group, according to a minister who organized the event.

    “We are humbled at the turnout of the crowd,” said Nathan Lorick, the pastor of the First Baptist Church in Malakoff and one of the organizers of Saturday’s rally in Athens.
    “We believe that God led us to do this and so we knew he was up to something great,” he told Fox News & Commentary in an email message. “This message is resonating in the hearts of people all over the country. This was a real statement to the nation that Christians are tired of the persecution and suppression. We want all to know that we are ready to contend for the faith.”

    The Freedom From Religion Foundation, a group based in Wisconsin, sent a letter to Henderson County explaining that a local resident had complained and they wanted the Nativity removed from the courthouse lawn.
    The FFRF alleged that the Nativity sent a message of intimidation and exclusion to non-Christians.
    But their attack prompted a tremendous outcry not just in Henderson County, but across the nation.
    The Texas Attorney General offered to defend the county in the event the atheists sued, arguing that the county has no legal obligation to remove the Nativity scene from the courthouse grounds.
    “Our message to the atheists is don’t mess with Texas and our Nativity scenes or the Ten Commandments,” Attorney General Greg Abbott told Fox News & Commentary. “I want the Freedom From Religion Foundation to know that our office has a history of defending religious displays in this state.”
    Attorney General Abbott said the organization is trying to “bully local governmental bodies” and he said he wanted to make sure Henderson County knows “there is a person, a lawyer and an organization in this state that has their back, that has the law, that has the muscle and firepower to go toe-to-toe with these organizations that come from out of state trying to bully governmental bodies into tearing down things like Nativity scenes.”
    Pastor Lorick said Saturday’s rally was peaceful and included speeches, patriotic music, Christmas carols and prayers. Nevertheless, he said they intended to send a message to the nation.

    “It is time for Christians in America to stand up, show up and speak up,” he said. “We believe that it is time to lead America back to the biblical and Christian values and morals that have made our nation so great since its birth.”
    Pastor Lorick said he’s received hundreds of calls and email from across the country — and he was overwhelmed by the size of Saturday’s crowd.
    “I do hope that people across the nation will take note and know that they too can stand up and speak up,” Lorick said. “All I can tell you is that my eyes have been opened to a large number of people who want to see us fight for our faith.”

    http://bit.ly/uQve2D

    It’s about time, too. Christians have all too often laid back and let these politically correct groups have their way. Time we stood up and said, NO.

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  26. Scott Chris (5,981 comments) says:

    Falafulu Fisi says:- “I would be interested to see your explanation of how dark matter had come to be hypothesized that it exist in the first place?”

    No one knows. Presumably it was created just after the big bang. Could be the hypothetical supersymmetrical partical known as a type of nutralino.

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  27. Other_Andy (2,515 comments) says:

    @dime

    “We are running into the limits of this country’s resources.”

    From 1900, New Zealand’s population has doubled every 50 years and now stands at about 4.4 million.
    In 2009–10, an annual target of 45,000–50,000 permanent residence approvals was set by the New Zealand Immigration Service—more than one new migrant for every 100 New Zealand residents.

    If we are running into the limits of this country’s resources, what is his proposed ‘population target’?
    Does any party have a ‘population target’?
    Or is immigration something you don’t talk about?

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  28. wat dabney (3,724 comments) says:

    It’s a mugs game. I don’t buy lotto tickets.

    A huge number of people are regularly doing something and you don’t understand why, so you conclude that they must all be stupid.

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  29. dime (9,676 comments) says:

    scott – i dont think everyone gets 80% back.

    its like pokie machines – we may 80% back. but many people walk away with fuck all while someone else wins big.

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  30. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    Wellington City Council CEO $419,230
    Auckland City Council CEO $743.000
    Christchurch City Council CEO $538,529

    Everybody has a hard time making ends meet and they are rewarding themselves with pay rises, the equivalent of a families wage.

    It is time the Government steps in and cuts them down to size.

    remember what i said about capping executive salaries the other day ?

    If employers private or public are going to pay executives obscene amounts beyond their worth, then gov’t should tax the fuck out of them and redistribute or re-invest it.

    …but of course gov’t is in on the rort as well with all their perks and payrises and it’s ideologically impossible for National to even contemplate raising top earner taxes.

    oh well…when the banks finally go belly up, all that less than hard earned dosh will be wiped clean out along with the debt owed by the great unwashed.

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  31. dime (9,676 comments) says:

    so the cops are charging the two pieces of shit that beat up the 14 year old girl. but i hear on the radio a 3rd girl filmed the thing??

    i guess she cant be charged with anything? accessory maybe? either way, all 3 are disgraceful human beings.

    i had my share of scraps growing up, i never ganged up one anyone. its fucking wrong.

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  32. reid (16,111 comments) says:

    Awesome crop circles and sand sculptures. The markings in the disc you see on the alien one is actually binary code. Forget what it says.

    http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/1890607/Awesome+Nature+Art+compilation+part+3/

    What do do when you’re bored:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9IqyFJtt3g

    Awesome time lapse – warning, those running WebMarshall will get caught in the language – and you can’t seem to maximise the clip, I tried three times and had to reload the page to recover – just wouldn’t work, but for those not at work who don’t give a shit anymore for awhile about firewalls and WebMarshall et al, it’s fucking awesome…

    http://www.funnyjunk.com/youtube/2546844/fucking+awesome+nature+time+lapse/

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  33. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    linky thing dime ?

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  34. dime (9,676 comments) says:

    pollywog – what the fuck? capping what private business can pay? hahahaha what business is that of yours? unless youre a share holder of course.

    politics of envy much?

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  35. Scott Chris (5,981 comments) says:

    wat dabney says:- “A huge number of people are regularly doing something and you don’t understand why”

    If you read what I said, I state that they get value for money through the entertainment it provides. On the other hand, if I were to buy a ticket, I would be a fool because I know the odds, and I don’t get the entertainment value because I don’t have a fool’s hope of winning.

    So yeah, most people are semi-numerate.

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  36. Other_Andy (2,515 comments) says:

    @dime

    “capping what private business can pay?”

    Nope.
    But what to do with all those greedy ‘civil servants’?

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  37. Falafulu Fisi (2,177 comments) says:

    Scott Chris…

    No one knows.

    But the fact that scientists suspect that something is missing or supposed to be there, must come from some known empirical laws and this is where a hypothesis arise. The hypothesis didn’t arise out of thin air or come by a psychic dream. It must have come from our understanding of current known empirical laws. Can I hypothesis the existence of God? Sure, but what empirical law/s that my hypothesis is based on in the first place? There is none? No theoretical empirical laws nor any observations that give me some hints that my hypothesis may be valid. So, my God hypothesis is just that. A figment of my imagination or just wishful thinking.

    Here is your reply to me on the GD thread yesterday:

    Scott Chris…

    Falafulu Fisi says:- “calculation of conservation laws showed that there’s something missing mass in the universe”

    Rubbish.

    The existence of dark matter is inferred from the rotation of galaxies. (and has subsequently been seen to have a gravitational lensing effect on the cosmic background microwave radiation)

    Can you elaborate on this inference of dark matter existence from rotation of galaxies? What inference is this based on? What empirical law/s? Is it empirical conservation laws or not?

    If you’re ready to concede, then my assertion is resolved. We can move on.

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  38. wat dabney (3,724 comments) says:

    If you read what I said…

    A “mugs game” I believe is the term you used.

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  39. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    envy…PFFFFFFFFFFFFFT !

    Politics of inequality and social consciousness dime.

    Not politics of greed and social darwinism.

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  40. dime (9,676 comments) says:

    andy – the christchurch guys pay looks a touch too much. i imagine hes some len brown type loser with no commercial value :P

    but i dont really know what he does or who he is so its hard to tell.

    the amount seems excessive. the pay rise certainly does in this economy

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  41. AnnaL (4 comments) says:

    Todays Herald: Mr Shearer said mending fences between Labour’s various factions, including that which supported Mr Cunliffe and Ms Mahuta, was not the principal factor in the overhaul of the front bench. “We’re basing our line-up on talent really as the number one criteria and there’s plenty of talent no matter who supported who.”

    As the Debates showed that Cunliffe was one of the most talented MP in a generation, and as Mallard made sure he was not an insider in the Goff regime, this announcement by Shearer must mean that Cunliffew has a VERY senior role.

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  42. backster (2,123 comments) says:

    “Wellington City Council CEO $419,230
    Auckland City Council CEO $743.000
    Christchurch City Council CEO $538,529″

    Yep they bid up each others salaries, then relativity spreads down among the subordinates each level bloating their staff numbers to justify the status of the wage levels. Relativity reigns supreme in Local Government but it doesn’t matter because the extra expense can be covered by a rate increase.

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  43. reid (16,111 comments) says:

    http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-real-life-supervillains-of-christmas/

    This answers the question nasska raised yesterday about how does Santa manage all those deliveries. Apparently it’s not by the goodwill of millions of children, as I suggested:
    http://www.cracked.com/article_16906_the-real-santa-kind-dick.html

    What kids are saying these day when they write to Santa:
    http://www.cracked.com/blog/letters-from-santa/

    If you’ve ever wanted to go and shoot Farm Animals with Rocket Launchers, Cambodia lets you:
    http://www.cracked.com/article_16874_the-6-worst-vacations-people-actually-pay-for.html

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  44. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    the amount seems excessive. the pay rise certainly does in this economy

    imagine what executive salaries will do if state asset sales go ahead.

    Where do you think the first round of power hiking price gouges will go ?… oh that’s right, it’ll be sweet with the shareholders eh as long as they got their shares and can cover the increase who gives a fuck ?

    only the young and the poor and what can they do ?…express themselves the only way they can.

    Arab spring could become a Kiwi spring next year.

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  45. reid (16,111 comments) says:

    http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_45_worst.-christmas.-ever._p20#17

    Where do you think the first round of power hiking price gouges will go ?… oh that’s right, it’ll be sweet with the shareholders eh as long as they got their shares and can cover the increase who gives a fuck ?

    only the young and the poor and what can they do ?…express themselves the only way they can.

    Arab spring could become a Kiwi spring next year.

    Let’s hope so pw. Then at last we can unleash the troops against the poor people like we’ve all been wanting to do for ages.

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  46. Lance (2,565 comments) says:

    @pollywog
    But what business is it of yours what a private business does?
    Maybe there should be LAWS for how big a TV you can buy, think of the money that could be spent on the poor instead? All people with cars over $50K shouldn’t be allowed to vote and all shop prices should be state managed.
    Lefties wet dream.

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  47. Scott Chris (5,981 comments) says:

    Falufulu Fisi

    What you were saying was rubbish. You were suggesting that the existence of dark matter was primarily deduced from conservation of energy laws. That is a subsequent calculation.

    Simply using Newtonian physics, some guy back in 1931 (google appears to be down, so I can’t give you his name) worked out that there was a whole bunch of missing matter, as he couldn’t account for the rotational behaviour of galaxies.

    Point is, if you want to communicate, don’t show off. Keep it simple.

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  48. jaba (2,096 comments) says:

    Shearer’s hopes .. Cosgrove, Ardhern, Parker, Moroney and Jones all have 1 interesting thing in common .. losers BUT could still be opposition front bench spokespeople

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  49. travellerev (149 comments) says:

    The first of the bailouts: http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2011/12/18/iag-australia-has-bought-the-solvent-bits-of-ami-insurance-while-you-are-going-to-pay-for-the-bad-bits/

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  50. Falafulu Fisi (2,177 comments) says:

    Scott Chris …
    What you were saying was rubbish. You were suggesting that the existence of dark matter was primarily deduced from conservation of energy laws. That is a subsequent calculation.

    Most of subsequent/secondary laws in Physics start from conservation laws because they’re axiomatic (ie, they’re primary). There’s nothing more fundamental than the energy/mass conservation (MEC) laws (primary) in order for real objects to exist physically.

    Are you saying that subsequent or secondary laws arised independently of (primary) MEC laws? Yes or No?

    Again, if you’re ready to concede, then my assertion is resolved. We can move on.

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  51. dime (9,676 comments) says:

    polly – do you think the increase in power prices will be as big as they were under labour? lol

    id quite like to buy a heap of mighty river shares.. then sell em to the first chinese dude i can find :)

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  52. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    But what business is it of yours what a private business does?

    When it fucks with the environment, rides roughshod over safety concerns, is mismanaged and forces gov’ts to bail them out with taxpayer money… well you tell me einstein !

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  53. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    polly – do you think the increase in power prices will be as big as they were under labour? lol

    still bangin that drum eh ?…when are your right wing heroes gonna take some muthafucken responsibilty ?

    id quite like to buy a heap of mighty river shares.. then sell em to the first chinese dude i can find

    You and about every other kiwi mum and dad who’s able.

    Yup theres some real vision and long term thinking gone into selling state assets eh ?

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  54. big bruv (13,571 comments) says:

    “Like I say. It’s a mugs game. I don’t buy lotto tickets.”

    Yet you believe in god…lol

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  55. Scott Chris (5,981 comments) says:

    Falufulu Fisi

    The fundamental nature of conservation laws is irrelevant in the context of the original assertion you made.

    The fact remains that simple observation of the mechanical laws of motion is what led to the discovery the phenomenon known as dark matter. You claimed that its existence was originally determined by something else entirely.

    So for once in your life, get over yourself and admit that you were wrong, and then we can move on.

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  56. Other_Andy (2,515 comments) says:

    And on top of the indecent pay rises they give themselves.

    A majority of Auckland councillors signed off a new debt ceiling this afternoon, only 12 months after setting the last one.

    The ratio of net debt as a percentage of total council revenue was today extended from 175% to 275%.
    By comparison, Greece’s (The economic basket case of Europe) government debt, as a percentage of GDP, is around 140%.

    Standard and Poor’s has simply got the jitters on the council’s big 10-year budget. Council officials now see a credit downgrade as imminent, and are now interestingly forecasting for one. Such a downgrade will only add to our woes, making the council’s borrowing more expensive, adding to the interest bills. The council’s finance department forecasts that a one notch downgrade alone could add an additional $12.75m to the growing annual interest bill.

    http://auckland.scoop.co.nz/2011/12/council-debt-ceiling-dramatically-lifted/

    Len needs to pay his voter base and Loopy Len’ s ‘economic plan’ will have a long lasting effect on the economy of Auckland and its long suffering ratepayers.

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  57. immigant (950 comments) says:

    pollywog

    What exactly is your defenition of poor? Come on girlfriend, get some stats up there. You sound like you are ranting with no numbers to back up your wild theories.

    Do you ever wonder how they stay poor when you get free school and free uni for all NZers?

    Maybe the problem is not the system but the people?

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  58. Falafulu Fisi (2,177 comments) says:

    Scott Chris …

    The fact remains that simple observation of the mechanical laws of motion..

    And what are those mechanical laws again? Do you mean conservation laws? Mass/Energy conservation laws are also mechanical laws. How did those mechanical laws originate? Did those mechanical laws you say here arise from conservation laws? Yes or No?

    led to the discovery the phenomenon known as dark matter.

    They haven’t been discovered yet. They have been theorized.

    Again, if you’re ready to concede, then my assertion is resolved. We can move on.

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  59. Other_Andy (2,515 comments) says:

    Now here are some things the government can do to reign in mayors such as Len.

    1. Prevent ANY council from raising the debt limit above 100% unless they get special approval.
    2. Prevent ANY council from raising rates above the level of inflation unless they get special approval.
    3. Prevent ANY council from raising the salaries of council employees above the level of inflation unless they get special approval.
    4. Limit the amount a council can spend on salaries of council employees as a percentage of total spending and the number of ratepayers.

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  60. tom hunter (4,568 comments) says:

    Bloody hell – Vaclav Havel is dead.

    First Hitch and now this, while Kim Jong iL, Madinnerjacket and al-Assad live on.

    I’m reminded of a guest at some Washington D.C. dinner party who – upon seeing Leni Riefenstahl and Henry Kissinger talking together – said, there is no god!

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  61. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    immigant

    if i ignore you, do you think you can, like your mate bereal, stop trolling me for attention ?

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  62. ciaron (1,389 comments) says:

    Is it legal to park in a taxi stand IF you have a mobility card?

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  63. immigant (950 comments) says:

    pollywog

    Just answer the question. Or is it a bit hard when you just rant all day but have no backup facts?

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  64. immigant (950 comments) says:

    pollywog

    I’ll repeat it for you. Who do you concider “Poor” in NZ statisticaly speaking?

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  65. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    so thats a no then…

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  66. MT_Tinman (3,055 comments) says:

    ciaron (910) Says:
    December 19th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
    Is it legal to park in a taxi stand IF you have a mobility card?

    Yes, as long as your For Hire light is on, your ID is visible, your car complies with current CoF and taxi regulations, you have a “P” endorsement and you remain in your car and for hire.

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  67. immigant (950 comments) says:

    pollywog

    Answer the question, instead of posting utopian wishlist

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  68. Other_Andy (2,515 comments) says:

    Why the euro turkey is well and truly stuffed

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/jeffrandall/8964870/Why-the-euro-turkey-is-well-and-truly-stuffed.html

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  69. dime (9,676 comments) says:

    pollywog – so we arent allowed to discuss what happened to power prices under labour? 60% increase?? those are facts.

    oh no, we cant discuss that as it doesnt support your warped view on asset sales.

    lets discuss what polly thinks will happen ffs

    as for this “we already own them” – how come if im a part owner i have no rights? i get fuck all return too. unless youre suggesting that without them my tax rate would go up? then my return is ummm not being taxed more. yay. awesome. as a part owner i feel as though im getting fucked.

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  70. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    pollywog – so we arent allowed to discuss what happened to power prices under labour? 60% increase??

    oh that’s been discussed to death. It’s history over, done, kaput.

    Don’t be a coward, turn around and face the future if you dare then tell us what’s likely to happen if state asset sales go ahead ?

    you know power prices will rise by shitloads, executive salaries will blow out, hard assets will get run down, stripped and sold off and then we’ll have to look at re-nationalising them again.

    Those who don’t learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

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  71. ciaron (1,389 comments) says:

    Yes, as long as your For Hire light is on, your ID is visible, your car complies with current CoF and taxi regulations, you have a “P” endorsement and you remain in your car and for hire.

    And if you are an octogenarian couple making a quick, half hour trip to the bank…

    I dunno, it just made me giggle to think at some stage they would have been pissed off at someone nicking their diabled space :)

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  72. immigant (950 comments) says:

    pollywog

    Way to dodge a question that will destroy your ranting.

    For the amusement of our readers I’ll be you:

    “Wouldn’t it be great if there were no rich and no poor, and all the rich were stripped of their wealth on an arbitrary pretence that they are too wealthy with no benchmark. And also we need to re-educate everyone to think a diffirent way so its is not cool to be rich. Also we need free everythign for teh poor and smash those fat cats for beiong too fat.And you got paid for not studying but just staying at home with your kids and listening to dubstep and maybe just DJing a little. And and and free gold fo rthose with no gold, and Lenin was right and we shoudl all follow the teaching of Marx.
    Also woudl be great if everuone got one free wish that was granted and rode aroudn on magical unicorns and there was no death and you could go anywhere in the world by tapping your heels 3 times and.”

    Thats what you sound like girlfriend.

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  73. ciaron (1,389 comments) says:

    Bugger nicking their disabled space

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  74. dime (9,676 comments) says:

    pollywog – lmao oh sorry, cant mention anything thats happened in the past.

    i believe you are wrong in your assumption about what will happen to the state assets.

    prices will stay more or less in line with where they are, there will be increases but nothing unusual. nothing as bad as what we saw under labour. assets wont be run down as the government will still have a mojority share holding. i think we will see investment in assets overseas, the share price will rise, the governments return will end up where it is now, heavily subsidised kiwisaver funds will have something to invest in and people like you will still whine because you seem to think you actually own a piece of state assets.

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  75. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    and i’ll be you immigant…

    “Wouldn’t it be great if there were no niggers, no slopeys, no ragheads and no jappatis as we would have stripped all their indigenous land of resources, polluted all their waterways and resolved them to become slaves as that’s all they’re good for. Then we wouldn’t have the burden of educating them and paying for their incessant breeding. And you could have a concubine of 40 or so of the hotter slaves to pander to your every desire. And we could treat them like dogs and even kill them for sport while listening to black death metal and truly follow the teachings of Ayn Rand and Hitler and there would be no consequences for any action as the poor would have no rights given that you would be protected by property law because they are slaves after all “

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  76. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    The gov’t will be a silent partner, look the other way, take the return on dividends and let the invisible hand give the public a right spanking.

    Tell me dime, how does one make the powercos run more efficiently and increase profits under private mamangement ?

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  77. DavidC (179 comments) says:

    Re: poverty
    I remember seeing somewhere on a blog a chart that spelt out what people (in USA) who were defined as being in ‘poverty” owned and had access to. I cant find the dammed thing tho.
    I remember that 97% of Americans in poverty owned a refrigerator, 80 odd % owned a TV and 60% had air-conditioning! similar percentages for games consoles and cars.
    Broke as huh?

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  78. immigant (950 comments) says:

    Haha nice one.

    See how I just saterised you, but you turned around and insulted me the best you could. I knew I’d make you snap.
    The fact that you are a badly educated, envious, country bumpkin makes trolling you a lot like shooting fish in a barrel.

    Let that hate out. Rememeber envy leads to hate, hate is the path to the dark side.

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  79. immigant (950 comments) says:

    Pollywog

    How about answering that question tho. Who do you consider ‘poor’ in NZ. I think it is crux to all you ranting. Come on sunshine, you can do it, I know numbers are hard but I’m sure you can squeez it out for the good of the downtroden slaves.

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  80. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    but you turned around and insulted me the best you could.

    not even ow…

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  81. dime (9,676 comments) says:

    pollywog – the power companies have spent the last year or so preparing to be floated. i imagine they are quite efficient as they are.

    utilities arent a growth stock though. they arent expect to see 20% growth a year etc. they are a safe dividend stock.

    i think we will see the companies invest overseas. let some other country scream how “our money is going to NZ”.

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  82. immigant (950 comments) says:

    Still waiting for the answer to: “Who do you consider poor?” I just want to make sure that I’m allowed to line up for my free gold and when you bring your New World Order in.

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  83. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    i imagine they are quite efficient as they are.

    i think we will see the companies invest overseas.

    not broke but gonna fix em anyway…

    and how do you see them generating the capital to invest overseas…gouging the consumer and leveraging the hard assets up the wazoo to borrow shitloads just to play high stakes gambling in a foreign land knowing if it all turns to shit the gov’t will bail them out ?

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  84. dime (9,676 comments) says:

    Utilities aren’t usually classified as high risk pollywog. I guess Chernobyl is?? God forbid a business tries to grow.

    No need to grow the economy – just redistribute!

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  85. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    Theres no need for them to grow beyond the need to service our needs with cheap power.

    Sure grow the economy but selling state assets isn’t doing that is it ?

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  86. immigant (950 comments) says:

    By the way Pollywog, If you were not such a useless dubhead and did some research, you woudl have found out that NZ is one of the only countries in the world that doesn’t have an official poverty line. Moreover doesn’t collect statistics for that, officialy anyway. Hate to do you research for you, but just wanted to point out what a lazy blowhard you are.

    Question still stands tho. What in your defenition is poverty? And also where will they be handing out my free gold when Labour is in power?

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  87. dime (9,676 comments) says:

    you mean selling shares in state assets..

    whats wrong with freeing up capital, giving a safe investment vehicle for “kiwis” and that asset going onto to create an overseas revenue stream?

    and before you say rich new zealanders, ill stop you. people with kiwisaver funds.

    i personally couldnt give a fuck if some under achiever cant buy shares. we govern to the lowest common denominator far too often.

    if you cant feed your kids its because youre a selfish shit head who underachieved and cant budget then bad luck.

    if you dont earn enough money, take the time and up skill.

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  88. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    whats wrong with freeing up capital, giving a safe investment vehicle for “kiwis” and that asset going onto to create an overseas revenue stream?

    There is no need to free up that capital

    Giving ‘safe’ investments to replace the housing bubble isn’t growing the economy, isnt creating new business or much needed jobs that spare savings might have gone into

    and that overseas revenue stream is a pipedream.

    We should be looking to shore up local revenue streams. Plug the leaks instead of creating opportunities to ensure more local profits leak overseas.

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  89. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Talk about rising to your level of incompetence.

    Comrade Ardern is elevated to No. 4 on Labours front bench.

    Well the best of luck to her, she’ll need it.
    Paula will be quaking in her boots having to face such a clever attack dog.

    This is just about a joke. A list MP who couldn’t even win a traditional Labour seat when it was gifted to her.
    i even start to feel a bit sorry for Silent T, ranked below her.
    Poor old Labour, such a depth of talent.

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  90. dime (9,676 comments) says:

    There is no need to free up that capital – really? lol

    Giving ‘safe’ investments to replace the housing bubble isn’t growing the economy, isnt creating new business or much needed jobs that spare savings might have gone into – was thinking more the shoddy finance companies. but i guess you hate old people who are after a reliable income

    and that overseas revenue stream is a pipedream. – says who? just because you have no vision. apart from – the rich are bad.

    We should be looking to shore up local revenue streams. Plug the leaks instead of creating opportunities to ensure more local profits leak overseas. – do you even know what that means?

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  91. immigant (950 comments) says:

    Comrade Ardern never had a real job in her life, and she is a so called NZ leader, how sad. Litteraly, look at her bio, not a single job since school. Oh wait she ‘slummed’ it in NY for a year workign in a soup kitchen.

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  92. Other_Andy (2,515 comments) says:

    I am waiting for Robyn Malcolm and the Council of Trade Union president Helen Kelly to protest against those evil film companies and Mr Evil himself (John Key) and call for a boycott to support the actors’ union.

    New Zealand named as one of the world’s top film locations

    “Given the current economic climate, it’s especially pleasing to see that New Zealand is an economically viable and desirable location for large budget international productions.”
    Next year was already shaping up to be a big one for the New Zealand screen industry with Peter Webber’s Emperor starting filming in January, The Hobbit continuing to film (with Wellington hosting the world premiere in November) and the Jane Campion mini-series Top of the Lake filming in Queenstown late in the year, she said.
    “These films aren’t even scratching the surface of the many ways New Zealand is contributing to the international screen industry and boosting our local economy.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10774166

    You see, that’s what you get if you don’t listen to the oh so clever and important Robyn Malcolm and Helen Kelly.
    More evil ‘fossil fuel burning’ foreign film companies spending money in New Zealand.
    Well , Robyn Malcolm did warn you!

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  93. dime (9,676 comments) says:

    immigant – pathetic eh?

    she came home from the UK because Labour put her on the list ffs.

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  94. immigant (950 comments) says:

    But she has a great arse and got her teeth fixed, so lots of pple will vote her in “cause she’s hot bro”

    Never had a job but will teach us how to live. Pathetic troughing career politician. Disgusting.

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  95. Other_Andy (2,515 comments) says:

    @immigant

    She is also the President of the International Union of Socialist Youth!
    Don’t want to Godwin the thread but it reminds me of a similar movement.

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  96. immigant (950 comments) says:

    I’m deeply mistrustfull who spent ALL of their life not actualy doing any real work, or earning their money. I’m distrustfull because I’m feeling “Clark 2″ the sequel in NZ’s future in 10 or so years time.

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  97. reid (16,111 comments) says:

    Possible reason why Somalia pirates keep flourishing. He raises some interesting points.

    Re: Ardern, my hypothesis is: she’s the daughter Hulun never had, just as Hughes was “the son.” Watch her, is all I can say. Hulun has a big bag of dirty tricks and she’ll give Ardern all of them, is my prediction.

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  98. jonnobanks (148 comments) says:

    Kim Jong Il is dead! Whoa! Guess tom hunter was wrong with his statement above.

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  99. Other_Andy (2,515 comments) says:

    @immigant

    “I’m feeling “Clark 2″ the sequel in NZ’s future in 10 or so years time.”

    You might not be far from the truth as she was an advisor at the Office of Helen Clark and an ardent Clark fan.

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  100. immigant (950 comments) says:

    When I was in SA in 2009, we went on a Pirate Hunting cruise. This geezer with a massive ocean going launch set it up and it turns a tidy profit. Check it out.

    http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/archives/11581-Luxury-Pirate-Hunting-Cruise.html

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  101. big bruv (13,571 comments) says:

    The really good news is that North Korean TV are reporting the death of Kim Jong Il.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-19/kim-jong-il-north-korea-s-dear-leader-dictator-dead-at-70-yonhap-says.html

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  102. DJP6-25 (1,313 comments) says:

    Fletch 11:08 That’s good news.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  103. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    RIP wee fella

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  104. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    About time the dwarf North Korean bastard kicked the bucket!

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  105. DJP6-25 (1,313 comments) says:

    Other_Andy 12:42. And #5. Remove competence.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  106. immigant (950 comments) says:

    I wonder how long until Norman and his commie friends send their condolences.

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  107. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    The venal Peters will be delighted: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/18/curl-one-president-please-with-a-side-of-rice/

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  108. reid (16,111 comments) says:

    Coral Castle was built by one man with 30-ton stones he quarried himself and no-one knows how he did it

    http://www.crystalinks.com/coralcastle.html

    http://www.zotzelectrical.com/CoralCastle.htm

    This place was built by a mailman with a lot of spare time on his hands:

    http://leavesgrass.blogspot.com/2008/05/ideal-palace-by-ferdinand-cheval.html

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  109. wat dabney (3,724 comments) says:

    Polly,

    Your attempt to justify state control of assets is laughable. You try to simply dismiss Labour’s cynical jacking up of electricity prices – a regressive tax which hits the least-wealthy hardest of all – then go on to defend the status quo by claiming that prices will “rise by shitloads” if semi-privatised.

    You seem incapable of recognising facts or coherently defending a position. Perhaps you should just stop mouthing off rather than making a complete tit of yourself?

    As a consumer my interests are best served by an open, competitive market. Where this is impractical – utilities for example – the market is instead heavily regulated. This is the second-best option.

    Trailing a far distant third is the the current arrangement where the state itself runs a monopoly, which it uses as a stealth tax mechanism and for political gerrymandering, generously bribed with taxpayers’ earnings.

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  110. Other_Andy (2,515 comments) says:

    jonnobanks

    “Kim Jong Il is dead! Whoa!”

    And the next narcissistic psychopathic socialist dictator is already waiting in the wing.
    Nothing is going to change in the Socialist Workers Paradise of N. Korea.

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  111. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Wait for Don Borrie’s tearful letters to the newspapers. Yes, the “Reverend” Borrie, president of the NZ-DPRNK Friendship Society, if such monstrosity could ever exist.

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  112. reid (16,111 comments) says:

    The death of Kim Jong Il means NK’s now ruled by I think a 23 year old.

    That’s not very good news, is it.

    the NZ-DPRNK Friendship Society

    Commies are cuddly Manolo, it’s important you get with the program, re: that. Otherwise everyone else will ostracise you as the programming begins to take effect in a few short years.

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  113. DJP6-25 (1,313 comments) says:

    big bruv 4:15. That’s good news. I wonder what my students, and boss will think?

    Now the little bastard is with his pals, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Saddo etc. I guess he won’t be worrying about the cold. :-).

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  114. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    -38 under and no less than FIVE holes in one on his first round of golf ever…you all should show a little more respect to the greatest sportsman ever! The late Kim Jong Il….

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  115. leftyliberal (642 comments) says:

    @Scott Chris: You grossly overestimate your average “return” from lotto. Sales of Lotto (includes powerball + strike) for 2010/11 were $642.9m of which $331.1m was returned in prizes. So based on that you get only 51.5% back.

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  116. reid (16,111 comments) says:

    Awesome car chase

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  117. reid (16,111 comments) says:

    So apparently the ECB’s solution is to ease those pesky credit requirements so as to make it long term even more unstable than it is now.

    Er…

    http://www.businessinsider.com/europe-back-door-bailout-wednesday-crisis-is-over-2011-12#ixzz1gjqgUJAZ

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  118. reid (16,111 comments) says:

    More good news on the GFC:

    The volume and level of re-hypothecation suggests a frightening alternative hypothesis for the current liquidity crisis being experienced by banks and for why regulators around the world decided to step in to prop up the markets recently. To date, reports have been focused on how Eurozone default concerns were provoking fear in the markets and causing liquidity to dry up.

    Most have been focused on how a Eurozone default would result in huge losses in Eurozone bonds being felt across the world’s banks. However, re-hypothecation suggests an even greater fear. Considering that re-hypothecation may have increased the financial footprint of Eurozone bonds by at least four fold then a Eurozone sovereign default could be apocalyptic.

    U.S. banks direct holding of sovereign debt is hardly negligible. According to the Bank for International Settlements (BIS), U.S. banks hold $181 billion in the sovereign debt of Greece, Ireland, Italy, Portugal and Spain. If we factor in off-balance sheet transactions such as re-hypothecations and repos, then the picture becomes frightening.

    Sadly, the names of the precise lobbyists and politicians on both sides of the ditch who participated in the whole debacle since Clinton are lost to history so the media really felt no need to enquire further into the matter, what with the fact Charlie Sheen has got himself into yet another outrageous antic or if he hasn’t, he will soon.

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  119. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    New Zealand Labour Party loves MMP

    The new front bench. includes these proven losers.

    Jacinda Ardern. Never won a seat. (lost once)

    Clayton Cosgrove. Lost his seat (lost once)

    Shane Jones. Never won a seat. (lost once )

    David Parker. Never won a seat. (a three time loser)

    Maryan Street. Never won a seat (lost at least twice)

    What a bunch of losers.

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  120. chiz (1,131 comments) says:

    FF:Can you elaborate on this inference of dark matter existence from rotation of galaxies? What inference is this based on? What empirical law/s? Is it empirical conservation laws or not?

    There were two main arguments historically.

    The first in the many clusters of galaxies would have flown apart by now if they contained the observed mass. The galaxies simply don’t appear to be massive enough to hold the clusters together.

    The second argument comes from the way that galaxies rotate. We know that the speed at which an object, such as a star, orbits a mass depends on its distance from the mass in a particular way and declines in a particular way as we get further from the mass. However when we look at the speed at which stars are orbiting the center of a galaxy, and the way in this speed varies with distance – the so-called ‘rotation curve’ – we find that it does not match what we would expect from theory if the galaxy contained only the mass we see.

    Since these two arguments were put forward by Zwicky and others, people have found other arguments for Dark matter, from gravitational lensing and subtle analysis of the cosmic microwave background for example.

    The reasons for suspecting that there is Dark Matter in the universe therefore boil down to the fact there is a mismatch between the observed mass in the universe and its dynamics. Either there is more mass in the uinverse that we can’t observe – the majority position – or there is something missing in our understanding of how gravity works on cosmic scales – the minority position.

    Conservation laws do not come into this in the direct fashion you keep claiming.

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  121. DJP6-25 (1,313 comments) says:

    Just been down stairs to the local corner shop/cafe. Grand fathers and shiftworkers go there to eat ramen, watch TV, and chew the fat. There were only two people there. They seem pretty pleased though.

    cheers

    Davifd Prosser

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  122. chiz (1,131 comments) says:

    FF:Most of subsequent/secondary laws in Physics start from conservation laws because they’re axiomatic (ie, they’re primary). There’s nothing more fundamental than the energy/mass conservation (MEC) laws (primary) in order for real objects to exist physically.

    Again you are displaying your ignorance of the subject. Conservation laws are NOT axiomatic, NOR are they primary.

    Are you saying that subsequent or secondary laws arised independently of (primary) MEC laws? Yes or No

    Conservation laws follow from symmetries. As I pointed out to yesterday, this is due to a very famous result by Emmy Noether that forms the bedrock of modern particle physics. And as I pointed to you yesterday, energy is not conserved in GR.

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  123. chiz (1,131 comments) says:

    The interesting question is whether the leadership in NK will be able to survive. The appointed successor is apparently very unpopular. So much so that there has, allegedly, been graffitti against him, something which has, allegedly, never been seen before. There may be some infighting to come.

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  124. Falafulu Fisi (2,177 comments) says:

    chiz said…
    that it does not match what we would expect from theory if the galaxy contained only the mass we see

    How do we calculate the mass we see?

    chiz said…
    its dynamics

    Do you care to point out the dynamical equations?

    And before you sing joy to the name of Emmy Noether, can you state his theory with some equations. If you can’t come up with the equations then you’re a dead fuck. Show the equations here, instead of reading books that has been simplified for the general public or reading wikipedia.

    State the dynamical equations here, and lest see, shall we? As far as I know, you’re just babbling rubbish.

    If MEC is primary, then what else that is more fundamental than MEC, care to explain further?

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  125. Falafulu Fisi (2,177 comments) says:

    Chiz,

    If MEC is not primary, then what else that is more fundamental than MEC? Do you care to explain further?

    So, if energy is not conserved in GR, then in what context? Does it mean that the theory needs modification in order to fix that or we should simply say, that we believe in God. Things can just disappear into the thin air and also things can just materialize from thin air. Do you subscribe to that notion of non-conservation? Is non-conservation a contradiction? If not then why not?

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  126. Scott Chris (5,981 comments) says:

    leftyliberal says:- “You grossly overestimate your average “return” from lotto”

    Yes I did didn’t I. Blimey, it’s worse than I thought. What a rip-off.

    My very rough estimate was based on 7% admin, 7% marketing and 7% to charity, but I was way off. I wonder how much the agents get…..

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  127. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    wat dabney said…

    BLAH BLAH BLAH SPLUTTER SPLUTTER RIGHT WING BULLSHIT BLAH BLAH BLAH

    as if it ‘s the gospel truth…I say

    BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA YOU REALLY HAVE NO IDEA !!!

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  128. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    dime said…

    There is no need to free up that capital – really? lol

    really ! hahahahaha…

    was thinking more the shoddy finance companies. but i guess you hate old people who are after a reliable income

    and where did most of those finance companies invest ?

    and that overseas revenue stream is a pipedream. – says who? just because you have no vision. apart from – the rich are bad.

    says me until you can show me otherwise

    We should be looking to shore up local revenue streams. Plug the leaks instead of creating opportunities to ensure more local profits leak overseas. – do you even know what that means?

    yeah do you ?

    Face it, not you, not English, not Key not anyone has made any sort of decent case for the need to sell state assets which is why the majority of NZers are against them.

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  129. reid (16,111 comments) says:

    FFS pw, either add some value or fuck off. You’re either a real mental or you’re behaving like one. Pick one.

    If you don’t know now not to behave like a mental, then read your posts here today and pretend you thought and then said the precise opposite in every way.

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  130. chiz (1,131 comments) says:

    FF:How do we calculate the mass we see?

    By pointing a telescope at the galaxy and making detailed observations in different wavebands.

    FF:Do you care to point out the dynamical equations?

    This is basic high school physics. Why do you need to have this pointed out to you? Do you not know how to derive orbital velocties?

    FF:And before you sing joy to the name of Emmy Noether, can you state his theory with some equations. If you can’t come up with the equations then you’re a dead fuck.

    Emmy Noether was female. Your arrogance is showing through.

    If MEC is primary, then what else that is more fundamental than MEC, care to explain further

    Noether’s thm tells us that conservation laws follow form symmetries. You can look it up yourself as I going home in a moment. Energy Conservation follows from time-translation invariance, linear momentum conservation follows from space translation invariance, angular momentum conservation follows from invraiance under rotation etc.

    So, if energy is not conserved in GR, then in what context?

    Translation invariance falls apart in curved spacetimes. There has been a long debate, for decades, about ways of fixing this, perhaps by changing the definition of what we mean by energy, for example, but it rapidly gets very technical.

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  131. dime (9,676 comments) says:

    great news that north korean cockroach is gone!

    osama, the libyan gene simmons, now the roach!

    all we need now is for al gore to keel over and its been a great year :)

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  132. adze (2,005 comments) says:

    Mugabe, dime, though he’s probably got a crony lined up.

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  133. wat dabney (3,724 comments) says:

    Polly,

    BLAH BLAH BLAH SPLUTTER SPLUTTER RIGHT WING BULLSHIT BLAH BLAH BLAH
    BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA YOU REALLY HAVE NO IDEA !!!

    Perhaps you should consider that the arguments and evidence mustered against you here are not entirely for your benefit. It really doesn’t matter if you are convinced or not. I wouldn’t normally try to discuss economics and morality with a four year old child.

    But a lot of people read this blog. My arguments and evidence may be convincing to them.

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  134. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    The Herald’s whining about the disbandment of the Minister of Disarmament (because that was really helpful, given that Russia has 29 more nuclear weapons thanks to that New Start junk) and Tira Misu’s celebration of Anarchist murderers becoming an increasingly irrelevant news rag’s Thing of the Year started to grate until Kim Jong-Il was announced dead.

    2012 was originally going to be just fun with the Euro crisis blundering along, the potential fall of Nicolas Sarkozy and the change that will have with the aforementioned, the culmination of events in Syria, Egypt and Libya, the far-left getting ever more violent and angry and the media’s forthcoming desperate play to save Obama’s political career. Now with uncertainty in North Korea?

    2012 is going to be AMAZING.

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  135. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    But a lot of people read this blog. My arguments and evidence may be convincing to them.

    in as much as you’re preaching to the choir, but please, without the patronising bullshit make a credible case for state asset sales.

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  136. dime (9,676 comments) says:

    polly – youre too biased. selling shares in SOE’s could cure cancer, aids etc and youd still be against it.

    the cool thing is, its happening :) :) :)

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  137. Falafulu Fisi (2,177 comments) says:

    Chiz said…
    By pointing a telescope at the galaxy and making detailed observations in different wavebands.

    You haven’t answered the question. Are you evading? State the formula here so that we can examine if those formulas lead all the way back to conservation laws. That’s what i’m asking? Bloody state the formulas here. Can you do that? If the formulas do not have any connection with conservation laws at all then you’re correct, I’m wrong. However, state the formulas that someone uses to make detailed observations in different wavebands? We do make detail observations of atomic emisions, but then we check them according to Quantum Mechanics prediction.

    Chiz said…
    This is basic high school physics.

    Nah, it is obvious that you’re ignorant. Dynamical eqautions is not covered in highschool. It is covered at University level. Here is what it looks like:

    f(x,t+1) = f(x,t)

    Chiz …
    Emmy Noether was female. Your arrogance is showing through.

    Do you know every Physicist in the world (famous or non-famous)? I can name you physicists you’ve never heard of? So, are you also ignorant of local Physicist Dan Wallis? He would have been a Nobel Prize winner if he’s still alive.

    Chiz…
    Translation invariance falls apart in curved spacetimes.

    Does it mean that the theory needs modification? Do you believe in non-conservation or God?

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  138. wat dabney (3,724 comments) says:

    Polly,

    Please see above. And previous.

    And really, after this: “BLAH BLAH BLAH SPLUTTER SPLUTTER RIGHT WING BULLSHIT BLAH BLAH BLAH
    BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA YOU REALLY HAVE NO IDEA !!!
    ” can you explain why you should be treated as a adult, let alone one with an objective interest in the subject?

    I think the arguments have been quite well rehearsed over the last couple of days. And your response has been to resort to sub-toddler levels of childishness. If there is a case to be made for a state monopoly of power etc then you certainly are incapable of making it.

    I believe that any open-minded and objective person reading the debate would have been quite convinced of the case for privatisation. And if I’m wrong, I’d be happy to discuss any objections with them.

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  139. Viking2 (11,283 comments) says:

    TRhat’s day three of this continuos line of polly versus the rest.
    Its all vert boring.

    Have you nothing better to do you lot.

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  140. dime (9,676 comments) says:

    viking – yea sorry. i was bored today heh

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  141. immigant (950 comments) says:

    pollywog

    I’f I might get my 2 cents in, you also dodge questions that if answers would crush your whole line of argument. Such as mine placed this morning and afternoon. How’s that definition of poverty coming along

    May the readers note I even did you research for you. You come across as someone who quite school in 5th form. Am I right? I am right aren’t I?

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  142. immigant (950 comments) says:

    *quit even

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  143. immigant (950 comments) says:

    Viking2

    You’re probably right. Polly gets her guts pushed in every day, he still comes back for more. But that is the nature of the interwebs, no one wins.

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  144. Griff (7,008 comments) says:

    Feeding the troll
    nom nom nom
    gives it attention
    it craves human contact
    Forty five year old skinny little PI with a big taro munching wife
    Life has past him by.To late now to make an impact. Just more taro and even more wife to come

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  145. wat dabney (3,724 comments) says:

    For the ‘Hitchens was a Marxist no he wasn’t’ debate:

    Karl Marx was possibly the consummate anti-statist in his original writings and believed that the state was not the solution to social problems, but the outcome of them, the forcible resolution in favor of one ruling group. He thought that if you could give a name to utopia, it was the withering away of the state. Certainly those words had a big effect on me.

    The reason why people tend to forget them, or the left has a tendency to forget them in practice, has something to do with the realm of necessity. If you make your priority — let’s call it the 1930s — the end of massive unemployment, which was then defined as one of the leading problems, there seemed no way to do it except by a program of public works. And, indeed, the fascist governments in Europe drew exactly the same conclusion at exactly the same time as Roosevelt did, and as, actually, the British Tories did not. But not because the Tories had a better idea of what to do about it. They actually favored unemployment as a means of disciplining the labor market.

    You see what I mean: Right away, one’s in an argument, and there’s really nothing to do with utopia at all. And then temporary expedients become dogma very quickly — especially if they seem to work….

    Marx’s original insight about capitalism was that it was the most revolutionary and creative force ever to appear in human history. And though it brought with it enormous attendant dangers, [the revolutionary nature] was the first thing to recognize about it. That is actually what the Manifesto is all about. As far as I know, no better summary of the beauty of capital has ever been written. You sort of know it’s true, and yet it can’t be, because it doesn’t compute in the way we’re taught to think. Any more than it computes, for example, that Marx and Engels thought that America was the great country of freedom and revolution and Russia was the great country of tyranny and backwardness.

    But that’s exactly what they did think, and you can still astonish people at dinner parties by saying that. To me it’s as true as knowing my own middle name. Imagine what it is to live in a culture where people’s first instinct when you say it is to laugh. Or to look bewildered. But that’s the nearest I’ve come to stating not just what I believe, but everything I

    http://reason.com/archives/2011/12/16/christopher-hitchens-rip

    Goddam he’s dead.

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  146. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    The point is, self important boofhead knowalls don’t do answers.

    They are just rat cunning enough to sense that answering questions will trap them
    and expose their shallow argument for the pseudo garbage it invariably is.

    They just make inane chidish statements, call others childish names and ask purile questions.
    Thats the whole act right there.

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  147. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    cant do it then wat…fair enough i’ll accept that

    I believe that any open-minded and objective person reading the debate would have been quite convinced of the case for privatisation. And if I’m wrong, I’d be happy to discuss any objections with them.

    perhaps you might want to convince the roughly 80% of the population who object with your powerful arguments that need no explaining.

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  148. wat dabney (3,724 comments) says:

    Polly,

    Is that it? You invent some fictional percentage and claim that the majority has it?

    By the same argument you could claim (historically) that blacks should be our slaves.

    Is that what you’re claiming?

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  149. Griff (7,008 comments) says:

    This conglomerate starts thirty cannibals to demonstrate their equal rights policy. The company boss man, at the inauguration warns all the workers that the barbaric practice of human flesh eating has to stop forthwith. Two months later the company boss asks for a meeting with the cannibals. At the meeting the company boss informs them that a secretary has disappeared. He tells them to have a talk among themselves and he’ll come back in an hour to hear the outcome of their meeting. After he leaves the head cannibal stands up and say’s “who the hell is responsible for this?. We’ve been eating two managers a week and nobody has noticed. Now somebody has eaten somebody who does some work around here and now we’re all in the shit.”

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  150. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    wat dabney 6.50

    Another great eulogy for Christopher Hitchens.
    “Not simply a contrarian but a serious thinker who was constantly rechecking his math.”

    Thanks for the link.

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  151. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Who will be the first National chick to give ‘My Little Pony” a nose bleed?

    My monies on Hekia Parata.

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  152. immigant (950 comments) says:

    Polly

    80% of the population

    Can I have the link please luv? Allright?

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  153. immigant (950 comments) says:

    ‘My Little Pony”

    Lol that’s gold. Considering I saw one person in parliament with a picture of mister Ed on a folder and “Jacinda” lovingly scribled under it in black vivid.

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  154. reid (16,111 comments) says:

    Yes Paul. One wonders who in the world could possibly have had so much influence over the selection as to be able to demand such a rise for a person. Personally I’m completely stumped. All I can say is that those with actual Cabinet experience whom she’s just leaped over in a single bound must you would imagine be wishing her all the very best.

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  155. Viking2 (11,283 comments) says:

    Two Irish nuns have just arrived in USA by boat,
    and one says to the other, “I hear that the people
    in this country actually eat dogs.”

    “Odd,” her companion replies, “but if we shall live
    in America , we might as well do as the Americans do.”

    As they sit, they hear a push cart vendor yelling,
    “Hot Dogs, get your dogs here,” and they both walk
    towards the hot dog cart.

    “Two dogs, please!,” says one. The vendor is very pleased to

    oblige, wraps both hot dogs in foil and hands them over.

    Excited, the nuns hurry to a bench and begin to unwrap their ‘dogs.’

    The mother superior is first to open hers.

    She begins to blush, and then staring at it for a moment, leans to the other

    Nun and in a soft brogue whispers……

    “What part did you get?

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  156. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    Just going off the last set of poll results wat.

    Who knows, it may only be 70% or as much as 90% now. How about we do some polling or have a binding referendum ?

    Point is, neither you, nor English, nor Key have made a credible case for the need to sell state assets and you can’t.

    Sure you can push the line that there is no need for a state monopoly either but it still comes down to those SOE’s are perfoming and the current arrangement ain’t broke so there is no need to fix it.

    Safe investment and infrastructure funds to build schools is just spin and bullshit.

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  157. nasska (10,917 comments) says:

    Pete,the builder, was going through a house he had just put up with the
    woman who owned it. She was telling him what colour to paint each room.

    They went into the first room and she said “I want this room to be painted a
    light blue.”
    The builder went to the front door and yelled “GREEN SIDE UP!”

    When he went back into the house, she told him that the next room was to be
    bright red.

    The builder went to the front door and yelled “GREEN SIDE UP!”

    When he went back into the house, she told him that the next room was to be
    tan.

    The builder went to the front door and yelled “GREEN SIDE UP!”

    When he came back, the lady was pretty curious, so she asked him “I keep
    telling you colours, but you go out the front and yell green side up; what
    is that for?

    The builder said, “Oh don’t worry about that, I’ve just got a couple of
    Pasifikans laying the turf out front.”

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  158. Elaycee (4,333 comments) says:

    The seven dwarfs go to the Vatican, and because they are the seven dwarfs, they are immediately ushered in to see the Pope.

    Grumpy leads the pack.

    ‘Grumpy, my son,’ says the Pope, ‘What can I do for you?’

    Grumpy asks, ‘Excuse me your Excellency, but are there any dwarf nuns in Rome ?’

    The Pope wrinkles his brow at the odd question, thinks for a moment and answers, ‘No, Grumpy, there are no dwarf nuns in Rome ..’

    In the background, a few of the dwarfs start giggling.

    Grumpy turns around and glares, silencing them.

    Grumpy turns back, ‘Your Worship, are there any dwarf nuns in all of Europe ?’

    The Pope, puzzled now, again thinks for a moment and then answers, ‘No, Grumpy, there are no dwarf nuns in Europe ..

    ‘This time, all of the other dwarfs burst into laughter.

    Once again, Grumpy turns around and silences them with an angry glare.

    Grumpy turns back and says, ‘Mr.. Pope! Are there ANY dwarf nuns anywhere in the world?’

    The Pope, really confused by the questions says, ‘I’m sorry, my son, there are no dwarf nuns anywhere in the world.’

    The other dwarfs collapse into a heap, rolling and laughing, pounding the floor, tears rolling down their cheeks, as they begin chanting……

    ‘Grumpy shagged a penguin!’
    ‘Grumpy shagged a penguin!’
    :D

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  159. Other_Andy (2,515 comments) says:

    Worse Than 1984
    North Korea, slave state.

    By Christopher Hitchens|Posted Monday, May 2, 2005

    How extraordinary it is, when you give it a moment’s thought, that it was only last week that an American president officially spoke the obvious truth about North Korea. In point of fact, Mr. Bush rather understated matters when he said that Kim Jong-il’s government runs “concentration camps.” It would be truer to say that the Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea, as it calls itself, is a concentration camp. It would be even more accurate to say, in American idiom, that North Korea is a slave state.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2005/05/worse_than_1984.html

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  160. nasska (10,917 comments) says:

    Top 10 Things To Say About A Xmas Gift You Don’t Like

    10. Hey! There’s a gift.
    9. Well, well, well…
    8. Boy, if I had not recently shot up 4 sizes, that would’ve fit.
    7. Perfect for wearing in the basement.
    6. Gosh, I hope this never catches fire!
    5. If the dog buries it, I’ll be furious!
    4. I love it, but I fear the jealousy it will inspire.
    3. Sadly, tomorrow I enter the witness protection program.
    2. To think I got this the year I vowed to give all my gifts to charity.
    1. I really don’t deserve this.

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  161. Viking2 (11,283 comments) says:

    Elaycee.
    Excellent

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  162. Griff (7,008 comments) says:

    Other_Andy
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2005/05/worse_than_1984.html

    “But why should it be assumed that their failed state and society are permanent? Another time line, oriented to liberation and regime change, is what the dynasty most fears. It should start to fear it more”

    Interesting conclusion

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  163. DavidC (179 comments) says:

    I asked my friend’s little girl what she wanted to be when she grows up.
    She said she wanted to be Prime Minister of New Zealand some day.
    Both of her parents, Labour supporters, were standing there, so I asked her:
    “If you were Prime Minister, what would be the first thing you would do?”
    She replied, “I’d give food and houses to all the homeless people.”
    Her parents beamed, and said, “Welcome to the Labour Party!”
    “Wow…what a worthy goal!” I told her.
    I continued, “But you don’t have to wait until you’re Prime Minister to do that. You can come over to my house, mow the lawn, pull weeds and sweep my yard, and I’ll pay you $50. Then I’ll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guys hang out. You can give them the $50 to use toward food and a new house.”
    She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight in the eye and asked,
    “Why doesn’t the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?”
    I smiled and said, “Welcome to the National Party.”

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  164. nasska (10,917 comments) says:

    Good news for P users & insomniacs….only two more sleeps til Christmas!

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  165. reid (16,111 comments) says:

    Good news for P users & insomniacs….only two more sleeps til Christmas!

    nasska I’d be careful about releasing such ideas. As we know it’s entirely probable one or more Mana-Gween-Liarbore politician will read that as meaning therefore we should give P to children so they need less sleeps to get to it, lest Christmas – once again – belong only to those rich pricks who are so wealthy they can afford not to give their kids P.

    Yes I know it doesn’t make any sense. Since when did any of the backgrounds to any lefty policy?

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  166. Falafulu Fisi (2,177 comments) says:

    Where is Scott Chris?

    Here is my challenge again:

    Are you saying that subsequent or secondary laws arised independently of (primary) MEC laws? Yes or No?

    I think that you’re evading, simply because you simply don’t know what you’ve been talking about. You know that I have cornered you. I think that you probably read the wikipedia link for dark matter like every so blog experts on the internet and based your argument on that. How do I know? Well, your quotation was almost a complete cut & paste from wikipedia link.

    That’s the problem with people who read wikipedia because it misled them to believe that they’re in the know and you’re one of them.

    Again, if you’re ready to concede, then my assertion is resolved. We can move on.

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  167. nasska (10,917 comments) says:

    But you don’t understand reid!! (cue violins) Think of the childrreeennnn! (uncue violins).

    Sense doesn’t matter to a socialist….it’s all about a warm fuzzy feeling that comes from saying something.

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  168. nasska (10,917 comments) says:

    reid

    And caring…one must always be very, very, very caring.

    And knowing, just knowing that if the evil rich bastards could be bled a little more that we’d have a sky full of rainbows, the fields would be full of fluffy kittens & everyone would live in joyous, healthy, crimefree harmony.

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  169. Inky_the_Red (744 comments) says:

    As wreck pointed out this morning this is a disgrace http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1112/S00439/chief-executive-remuneration-increase.htm

    I am not sure why Parker and co want the government to sack them however they are trying very hard

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  170. Falafulu Fisi (2,177 comments) says:

    Leftyliberal…
    Falafulu Fisi : You’re little equation is a difference equation, not a dynamical equation (whatever that may be).

    Difference equation with time variation as I stated above is dynamic. Dynamic means temporal variation (time-sampling).That’s what control engineers do in designing digital systems whether control or signal. The dynamics of the system evolves with time. In digital signal processing & digital (feedback) control system, the difference is called sampling rate. The most common use known to physicists and engineers is the Kalman Filter. You should examine the dynamic of the Kalman filter from the link and see the time difference variation. I have worked as a control system designer engineer in my previous career particularly designing photonics based controllers & actuators, so I do know what dynamical equations are. When sampling rate is getting smaller and smaller (approaching zero – limit as in calculus) , then the dynamical equations become continuous and not difference (digital).

    Some control system models are solve with Euler method (from differential calculus). Differential equations are continuous. When you digitize the control model, then the difference equation form of euler is used. Euler-based digital actuators/controllers are the simple ones you find in the supermarket automatic sliding door, because it is accurate enough and fast since the sampling time (high frequency or small sampling time) required is not high speed. You don’t find the rate of people entering or leaving a supermarket very high, like, one person that walks in or out every 1 millisecond. In other complex control systems, like digital telecommunication systems (signal switching controller), euler is not used because it becomes too slow.

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  171. reid (16,111 comments) says:

    we’d have a sky full of rainbows, the fields would be full of fluffy kittens & everyone would live in joyous, healthy, crimefree harmony.

    Exactly nasska and we could have that easily now if only everyone wasn’t so terribly selfish.

    I think what we as a country should do to enable fluffy kittens et al is to require every single NZ child every year to bring all of their toys along to school on Christmas Day and tell them we needed to send all of them to Africa and thanking them for being so kind as to enable warm tummies in those poor Africans who don’t have any toys at Christmas.

    We could stop calling it Christmas and call it Labour Day instead, so everyone in the country would grow up knowing what those Labour people really bring to the table. I mean they can hardly complain about sending toys to poor African orphans.

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  172. nasska (10,917 comments) says:

    reid

    So true. It would give the socialists a chance to be inclusive & feel involved with the joy of giving.

    Not just acting as dispassionate distributors of riches but really, really personally entwined with the warm feeling one gets when flushing money down the shitter.

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  173. Scott Chris (5,981 comments) says:

    Heh, Fella Fulla Fallacies doesn’t know when to quit.

    His bluff has been called.

    First I beat him up.

    Then chiz beat him up.

    Then leftyliberal beat him up.

    Reminds me of the Black Knight in Python’s Holy Grail:

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  174. DJP6-25 (1,313 comments) says:

    People here are quietly pleased that Kim Jong Mentally Ill is dead. There were items from the NK news. The presenter was wearing black, and crying. People out in public were wearing black. Some of my students wondered why I looked so pleased. So I said: ” Kim Jong Il sa mung”. Which is Korean for Kim Jung Il is dead. I guess it didn’t take him long to work out why stop, drop, and roll wasn’t working. It’s always good news for humanity when a dictator dies.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  175. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    High level brinkmanship: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/19/boehner-demands-senate-cancel-its-vacation/

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