Goff on SAS

December 23rd, 2011 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

The SAS is to be withdrawn from on schedule in March, the Government announced yesterday – but the move was met with Opposition calls to ensure they are never deployed again.

Never ever ever ever ever again.

Prime Minister John Key confirmed the Special Air Service troops would be returning to New Zealand after two and a half years working alongside the Afghan Crisis Response Unit in the capital, Kabul.

And they have made a difference.

Mr Goff said he welcomed the decision on the SAS, but it had to be long term – not simply a break between deployments.

“That does not mean he won’t redeploy them in six months or a year’s time. That’s a question Mr Key won’t answer. What is important is to seek a commitment that they won’t be sent back there.

Of course Key won’t give guarantees for years into the future. It’s called the responsibility of being in office, as opposed to stupid opposition.

Mr Goff said the Labour Government deployed the SAS to combat al-Qaeda and international terrorism. The Afghan conflict was now more in the nature of civil war and President Hamid Karzai’s regime did not have the support of the people.

Asked what circumstances might warrant a redeployment, Mr Goff said there would have to be clear evidence Afghanistan was being used to host international terrorism.

“I don’t think there are likely to be circumstances that would warrant a redeployment of our troops there.”

Except of course Labour do support NZ troops being in Afghanistan. They support the PRT continuing its work there.

This is just like the hypocrisy Labour had over Iraq – attacking National for potentially sending troops there, while ignoring Labour did send troops to Iraq.

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30 Responses to “Goff on SAS”

  1. Pete George (23,426 comments) says:

    There’s been a few “we’re in Opposition so should say something in opposition” comments (and not just from Labour, Greens too).

    The last term Labour were hopeless at picking fights, they resorted too much to mass nit picking rather than selecting grizzles worth pursuing. Maybe Santa will stuff their stockings with political common sense.

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  2. BeaB (2,104 comments) says:

    That’s why he’s yesterday’s man.

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  3. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    Goff speaks – and it’s like being in a time-warp.

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  4. Paul Rain (47 comments) says:

    Noooo.. surely not. There must be some reason that Chris Carter likes it over there.

    [DPF: 50 demerits.]

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  5. niggly (816 comments) says:

    Goff’s an arsehole.

    The SAS have also provided security for the Provincial Reconstruction Team and normally their missions aren’t discussed publically, but it was on public record that the SAS took out the insurgents that attacked PRT convoys (including the convoy in which Lt O’Donnell was killed) in the less friendly northern parts of Bamiyan province.

    What does Goff want, more PRT troops being killed and NZ Aid missions compromised/halted in certain areas because he wants the SAS gone to suit his political point scoring agenda against the Govt?

    Thank goodness approx 75% of NZer’s had Goff stuffed like a Christmas Turkey on November 26.

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  6. Jimbob (641 comments) says:

    Nothing has changed in Labour since the election. They are still the same childish outfit that 27% of the voters voted for.

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  7. ross (1,454 comments) says:

    “stupid opposition”

    I think, DPF, you’re still in FPP mode. Being in Opposition can be very useful, for those parties in Oppositon and for the government. God forbid when National is next in Opposition, you’ll be wanting to slash your wrists. :)

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  8. backster (2,140 comments) says:

    “Opposition calls to ensure they are never deployed again.”

    This is the first evidence of change by this Labour Party over the Clark/Goff Labour party.

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  9. Richard29 (377 comments) says:

    @Paul Rain
    Not funny. Just disgusting homophobia of the worst kind. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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  10. RightNow (6,966 comments) says:

    “God forbid when National is next in Opposition, you’ll be wanting to slash your wrists.” – sounds like projection from you ross, is this a cry for help? I’ll call the psychiatric emergency response team – what is your location?

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  11. RightNow (6,966 comments) says:

    @Paul Rain – that’s why I stopped donating to UNICEF. Too many pedo’s travelling the world on donated money getting a free pass to fiddle with kids under the protective umbrella of the UN.

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  12. adamsmith1922 (890 comments) says:

    Phil Goff, and why is he relevant?

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  13. Paul Rain (47 comments) says:

    Richard29: Who am I to be judgemental over what universally despised practices the media will approve of next?

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  14. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    “Being in opposition can be very useful” Y…………e………..s Ross if you say so. Another three years and you will be even more useful, the peasants will need something to laugh at.

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  15. tas (609 comments) says:

    Goff should demand that the SAS be disbanded so that we can be sure Key won’t redeploy them.

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  16. BlairM (2,316 comments) says:

    OMG Labour are so full of SHIT! They secretly sent SAS troops into Iraq FFS!

    What a lying arsehole.

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  17. seanmaitland (488 comments) says:

    @ross – so what have the opposition parties achieved in the last 10 years? better Insulation?

    Bazinga! Tens years of hard work….

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  18. ross (1,454 comments) says:

    While in Opposition, National appointed your beloved PM as leader.

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  19. Fletch (6,240 comments) says:

    Of, course, now that Obama has withdrawn US troops, Iraq is going to Hell in a handcart.
    Obama is a F****** idiot. Sorry, but he is. He withdrew the troops for purely political reasons at home, because there’s an election coming up next year. He doesn’t care about Iraq or about world stability….

    BAGHDAD (AP) — A wave of at least 14 bombings ripped across Baghdad Thursday morning, killing at least 60 people in the worst violence in Iraq for months. The apparently coordinated attacks struck days after the last American forces left the country and in the midst of a major government crisis between Shiite and Sunni politicians that has sent sectarian tensions soaring.
    The bombings may be linked more to the U.S. withdrawal than the political crisis, but all together, the developments heighten fears of a new round of Shiite-Sunni sectarian bloodshed like the one a few years back that pushed Iraq to the brink of civil war.

    Thanks Obama; thanks a lot. After all the sacrifices the US personnel have made trying to bring democracy to Iraq, it looks like it may all be wiped away by a man who is selfishly more concerned with his political career. I suppose it’s happened before, and it will happen again…

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  20. slijmbal (1,231 comments) says:

    wrt Paul Rain and his demerits and accusations of homophobia

    We do seem to have several sacred subjects nowadays – none of the Christian variety – any joke that refer to races is racist – ditto homosexuality. Criticise someone of a different colour or sexual orientation and the race/gay card is invariably played.

    Much successful humour is cruel but it is selective in what is acceptable and it is rare for someone to get criticised for a papal joke for instance. I personally did not find what Paul said as humorous as I felt there was an element of vindictiveness in his comment, however, he did not deserve the response he received. FYI I am an atheist and don’t give a damn about papal jokes and feel that the moment any subject area gets so pompous it may not be ‘poked’ is the time I feel it MUST be.

    Today we have the gay, maori and non-christian religion sacred subjects. Stick it up them with a maori/muslim sacred object I say. – yes bad joke – making a point.

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  21. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Hear hear slijmbal.

    Tank de Lord we can still pick on de Oirish.

    As long as they aren’t gay, crippled, retarded, maori, golliwog Oirish at all at all! :)

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  22. Paul Rain (47 comments) says:

    slijimbal: Hey, I’m pretty sure I’m still funnier than Cosgrove and Mallard.

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  23. Megatron (187 comments) says:

    Re Paul rain at 12.48
    I think that was a fair observation. We all know carter is a screaming chutney ferret from way back. 50 demerits, nah you got that one wrong DPF.

    [DPF: 30 demerits. It is sad so many people here are obsessed with homosexuals]

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  24. East Wellington Superhero (1,151 comments) says:

    Labour are opportunistic arses, but the reality is that NZ is a nation that is, at a popular level, disconnected from geopolitics. NZ is like the Shire in The Lord of the Rings, and some in the Labour caucus play that to their advantage. And some are ignorant cowards that don’t know where their freedom comes from. The reason that gay old Grant Robertson can mince around town will his ‘partner’ is because there are men and women who sacrifice more that some gay trougher ever will, to protect liberty. And that is another reason why I so dislike the Labour Party.

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  25. Paul Rain (47 comments) says:

    East Wellington Superhero: Yes, and I respect the sacrifices made by our soldiers over there, but do we really need to go to Afghanistan to preserve freedom here? The woman over there who has been the subject of publicity after being jailed for being the victim of rape was only released nine days ago.. and she promptly had to offer to marry her attacker. The only reason this even made it in the media was that this woman, who is one of hundreds believed to be in jail for similar ‘crimes’, was the subject of a documentary. A documentary that the European Union tried to suppress after its bureaucrats realized what it would show about the representative government of the Afghan people, a people whom the West is sending tens of billions of US dollars in aid to.

    Sure, it made sense to attack some terrorist training camps. Sure, it would’ve been worthwhile to topple the Taliban, if it hadn’t been a foregone conclusion that what the Afghani people would replace it with would be more of the same, just without the puritanical attitude towards traditional practices of pederasty and growing opium to be smuggled to Europe by Kosovar Albanians. But given that was never on the cards, why didn’t the West take the sensible option, the one where lots of our soldiers don’t die needlessly? Bombing was good enough for Serbia when NATO was helping Albania ethnically cleanse Serbs from their borders (as set by the deceased dictator Tito- an Albanian). Why wasn’t it good enough for those terrorist training camps to have a couple loads of cluster bombs hit them before gunships mopped up the remaining refuse?

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  26. Reg (544 comments) says:

    The Labour Party’s position on this subject is characteristically hypocritical.
    Helen Clark sent the SAS into Afghanistan before a UN mandate existed to do so.
    It was the right thing to do at the time, but at complete odds with her grandstanding over Iraq.
    Yes believe it or not, NZ under Helen Clark invaded another sovereign country.
    Goff is now trying to reinvent himself as a latter-day Keith Locke and demand a unqualified ban on any future deployment, at the time when John Key is ending a series of deployments that his party started.
    Hard to understand – then again Helen Clark is living in US surrounded by the nuclear ships she told us were so dangerous!!

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  27. East Wellington Superhero (1,151 comments) says:

    @ Paul Rain

    “But do we really need to go to Afghanistan to preserve freedom here?”

    Each man’s death diminishes me,
    For I am involved in mankind.
    Therefore, send not to know
    For whom the bell tolls,
    It tolls for thee.

    I’m not naive enough to believe that our presence in Afghanistan doesn’t have a diplomatic aspect; politics will always be politics – it has been for 4000 years, and will continue to be.

    That aside, how can Leftist politicians get so energetic about the ‘poor’ and ‘disadvantaged’ in NZ, and insist on intervening in their lives, to have anti-smacking Acts etc etc, lots of taxes etc etc, and then draw some line on helping others overseas.

    If it was because ‘our boys die’ then maybe there would be a start of a plausible argument. But that’s not it. The Labour/Left position is sourced in an anti-authoritarian/anti-military/quasi-self conscious cowardice; not because they care about the dead serviceman, but because of their ideology. With the exception of Goff – I bet no Labour caucus member could name Private Kirifi Mila, Lt Tim O’Donnell, Corporal Doug Grant, or Lance Corporal Leon Smith. They don’t give a shit about the men, they just want to stroke their own pacifist egos and pretend they are ‘just’ people.

    Freedom is not some easy thing to come by. English democracy took centuries to refine, and the American republic also took almost a century to sort out – almost two centuries if you count the US civil rights movement to gain genuine human rights for black Americans. France is on it’s 5th republic, Russia is dubious, and China etc etc. Are we, in the West, who enjoy the dignity of freedom, going to keep that for ourselves, or do we share it? Or, do we educate, and fight if necessary, the fuckers that think throwing acid on a woman’s face is a proper social norm.

    The NZDF servicemen believe in doing what is right, and if doing what is right means sacrfice, and the risk of death, then that is what is required. Most service folk realise that death is not the worst thing that can happen to you, but that a life of selfishness and cowardice, is far worse than death.

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  28. slijmbal (1,231 comments) says:

    Wow – DPF and megatron!!

    Once again not actually funny in the slightest – but no less vindictive than other comments frequently stated on this blog against various attitudes. The demerits approach on this post seems to be setting homosexuality above other attitudes/beliefs.

    Personally, I do not give a damn whether one is gay, straight, religious or atheist – but DPF’s demerits approach appears to be protective of gayness. It should be susceptible to attack/humour/nastiness as any other belief/approach. Humourless is the word that springs to mind.

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  29. slijmbal (1,231 comments) says:

    @Paul Rain – you came across as a bit vindictive and personal and as such not funny – ditto megatron.

    Not that I believe my personal views are the only ones that matter but I protect your right to be objectionable and all that ….

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  30. Paul Rain (47 comments) says:

    EWS: Democracy is simply mob rule without the culture that enables it to function. And the West has had the advantage of centuries of more enlightened mobs, mobs generally made up of practical men (and often women) with decent morals. Any chance we had to spread something more substantive than Coca-Cola ended when the vile Attlee took over from Churchill and destroyed the Empire.

    “This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs.”

    I’m just not that sure a statement of angry feebleness from Amnesty International can be as effective.

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