No Right Turn condones corpse degrading of right wingers
December 24th, 2011 at 11:00 am by David FarrarIt doesn’t take a lot for true colours and foaming hatred to come out, and we see it with No Right Turn, in discussing whether Lady Thatcher should receive a state funeral. He blogs:
Unmentioned: selling the right to spit on the corpse or piss on her grave (because its going to happen, so they might as well get money for it). Hell, they could even provide the service, so that those unable to attend in person could have someone do it for them. Morality? Taste? The market does not know of such things. And if you’re happy with the mass unemployment, poverty and degradation which were the inevitable result of Thatcher’s policies, you can hardly get prissy about a little matter of degrading a corpse.
Worth remembering this the next time he goes on about how liberal he is – you know the stuff about how he’ll defend your right to have views different to his – except of course if you do he thinks your corpse should be spat on and pissed on.
December 24th, 2011 at 11:09 am
Cock
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 11:10 am
David Farrar says:- “No Right Turn condones corpse degrading of right wingers”
Oh bollox. He’s joking. Quite funny in a South Park kind of way. Apart from anything else, liberals are free to be intolerant of intolerance…. (yes, I’m joking too)
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 11:12 am
Meryl Streep will put this ‘comic’ into context over the holidays.
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 11:15 am
She is still alive.
State funerals are rare in UK and there is some discussion as to whether or not she should get one – given the political aspect of her achievements and various divisions within society.
US solves the political issue by having ex Presidents having one as a matter of right, if their families approve.
I think we do the same here for ex PMs
Can’t imagine why NRT gives a toss – I don’t it’s an English matter with no ramifications for NZ or anyone else.
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Most politicians deserve to be hung from the nearest lamp-post. What others do with their corpses after that is up to them. I’d feed ‘em to the dogs.
But Margaret Thatcher is not one of them. She stood up for the small guy against violent special-interest groups and authoritarian, intolerant socialists.
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 11:20 am
True, he has marked it with a humour tag, that is fair enough. But its in pretty poor taste, IMHO. Im sure those on the rabid left will giggle into their chardonnay tonight.
Me, meh, what ever spins their pathetic little wheels. She was a leader, and leaders polarise people. For me, I shall be tending the enormous BBQ, turning a butterflied leg of lamb, a large fillet of prime angus, prawn kebabs and some wonderful homemade sausages, all the while drinking vintage champagne, and indirectly saluting the reforms that Maggie et al bought down so that I can do these things.
Hows that for humour, you sad left type people? Oh, and Im waiting for my new car to arrive, no more old Falcons for me
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 11:35 am
Now I know that Limbaugh takes it to the edge and some real nutters do.
Vote:But no one sprays vitriol ( the ancient name for sulphuric acid) better than the folks who practise metaphysics (aka socialism)
No wonder the world’s three greatest massaces were committed by… wait for it ..,.,,. socialists
December 24th, 2011 at 11:38 am
Presenting Malcolm Harbrow – intellectual.
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 11:40 am
Not only that, she’s a “criminal”. Why? Because as an elected legislator she implemented policies that he personally disagrees with. Perhaps he’d be happier living in North Korea.
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
NRT doesn’t allow comments, That shows his real attitude towards free speech.
Even if this was a humour post, it shows how nasty NRT really is. Have some respect for Thatcher. Her achievements are remarkable. And even if you don’t agree with everything she did, almost everyone agrees with much of what she did.
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
flipper says:- “metaphysics (aka socialism)”
You couldn’t be more wrong. The two ideas have nothing in common.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
People change. Attitudes and ideas change. I remember silently toasting the IRA attempt on Thatcher, and singing along to ‘Tramp the Dirt Down’ – ‘When England was the whore of the world, then Margaret was her madam.’ etc.
But nowadays I’m a bit more mellow.
I still hate her though. And that will probably be her enduring legacy for many of that era.
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
Quite so Tas; I’d love to go over there and chastise him, but the only sound ever heard at Idiot/Savant’s blog is the stroking of his own ego.
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
PRAT !!!!!!!!!
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Class.. Thatcher deserves a Lenin’s Tomb style mausoleum as the last PM to try to save the UK, but is far too good to go for that kind of tack. Her only misstep was in going along with Elizabeth II’s wishes, when she failed to reject the fraudulent election of the terrorist Mugabe.
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
Just look where the UK and Europe are by running policies that Malcom would approve of.
It’s almost got to the state where the entire countries are going to collapse from a bloated cradle to the grave welfare state.
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Paul Rain,
I think her biggest misstep – by far – was signing the EU Maastricht treaty.
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
Lee C @ 12:14
How sad it must be to go right through life consumed by hatred.
Tell me, do you ‘hate’ baked beans? Do you ‘hate’ Stalin, Do you ‘hate’ Hitler, Do you ‘hate’ Pol Pot?
What about Ronald Reagan or Dubbya?
Hell man, if you’ve wrecked something along the way, then that’s a bonus. You’ve already gone down in socialist history.
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
Can’t really get annoyed about it. I mean, I’d do 10 times worse to Helen Clark, TBF.
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
@Scott Chris 12:12 pm
Vote:Like wiki?
Search deeper. metaphysics and communisim
And see how closely they are linked!
December 24th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
David, did you even read the post? And if you did, do you seriously think that NRT was advocating what you claim?
Your getting pretty close to Whaleoil these days in the way that you try to mis-frame things.
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
Just seems to show lack of basic civility to me. Which is what is happening to our civilization as the intelligentsia move away from Christian morals such as moral restraint. Like it is not always good to say everything without restraint.
Sometimes some manners can be nice. It makes the world a nicer place when people have manners. Rather than indulging in hatred and contempt for people in public office. We may disagree with their policies but to say such vile things is not funny. It just makes everything a bit more hateful. We do need to mind our manners in my opinion.
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
He’s scum, uncivil scum.
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Your normally good sense of humour has deserted you here DPF. It’s clearly satire, a little edgy no doubt, but utterly effective in making it’s point. And your title for this blog post is nothing short of sensationalist.
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
fragbait says:- “Like wiki?”
Nothing wrong with wikipedia. It’s as reliable a source of information as any other. And in terms of an easy resource reference, it’s brilliant. I love wikipedia. Anyway, to the substance of what you were asserting:
Metaphysics refers to the branch of philosophy that attempts to understand the fundamental nature of all reality. (essentially a futile pursuit)
On the other hand, socialism is an artificially constructed economic system derived from Marxist theory.
Marxism is based on a materialistic interpretation of history, which is far removed from metaphysics. You see, the theory of materialism holds that the only thing that exists is matter. In other words physical as opposed to metaphysical.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materialism
Vote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism
December 24th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
Adolf I hate antisemitism but am partial to baked beans.
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
Scott Chris…,.
You quote Wikipedia (Who regards that as an authority on anything?) But a study of it suggests it am right in describing socialism and communisum as metaphysics.
Socialism or left wing politics as practised by Labour and the red-melons is simply applied metaphysics – an abstract theory with no basis in reality.
There have been two notable attempts to apply metaphysics to world politics, both with disastrous consequences. Communism, as was Nazism in the 30s, is metaphysics applied ruthlessly to the real world: When things don’t fit it is the fault of the poor square sods that will not fit into round holes. All that has changed in 2011 is the absence of violence – well, so far.
Time to push ( hammer ?) socialism into one their round holes. Going to join them Scott Chrissie?
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
flipper says:- “You quote Wikipedia”
No. I provided wikipedia as an easy reference link. I simply know what the terms socialism and metaphysics actually refer to.
I think you appear to be confusing ideology with metaphysics. They are *not* the same thing.
See my 2.57 post for a brief explanation.
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
wat dabney: That was a decision of John Major’s, which Thatcher rightly condemned.
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
Nothing to see here, socialists have always condoned this kind of distasteful rhetoric, and to label this as ‘humour’ is downright disgusting.
They have forgotten the meaning of the word.
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
They have to be bloody kidding in the UK, Thatcher is of the same standing as Nelson, Wellington and Churchill ?
Vote:Fuck some of the ranting tories are suggesting she saved Britain from being invaded by Argentina.
December 24th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
Expecting that members of the Left will conduct themselves with dignity or behave appropriately at such times, or will act with sobriety and decorum so as to indicate they were raised rather than dragged up, is an almost impossible ask. Pissing on someone’s grave – only cretins would believe it wasn’t self-demeaning.
They are fixated on everything being against them without ever attempting to question or attempting to reason why. It’s always someone else’s fault: it has to be, to sustain their elemental inadequacy and their utter lack of self-worth.
Expecting too, that the same people might render the faintest appreciation or remotest understanding of economic dictates compares to believing that someone with hoofs for hands is capable of fine needle work.
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
Lady Thatcher would be far more bothered if tedious socialist prats like NRT *didn’t* hate her. Also I doubt that he grasps the irony that his “argument” against a free market because it “doesn’t recognise taste or morality”, presupposes that there are tasteless and immoral leftists that would consume such a service..
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
I don’t know why you continue to be shocked by this guy’s bile, DPF – I/S has proven himself over and over again to be a craven waste of oxygen who doesn’t deserve access to a keyboard.
You should take a cue from your readers and treat him with the contempt he deserves. This latest outrage is not a lapse, it’s representative.
Fuck I/S and all his disgusting fellow travelers.
Vote:December 24th, 2011 at 6:34 pm
Thatcher did pretty much gut various lower class urban parts of the UK and looked after the Home Counties and her voting base. The fact she got voted in and supported was because many have forgotten how the average UKer had had a guts full of the unions in the 60s and 70s. I remember periods of no power, no public transport etc. The union rorts were the reason Liverpool’s port died off, trying to sack a poor employee invariably led to a strike etc etc Union leaders were invariably hard line Marxists who had closer ties to the USSR than they did to their own country. My older relatives who were all working class complained how the unions dominated the workplace and that they were more fearful of union opinion than the employer’s.
She got lucky with the Falklands war as that sort of event always helps the incumbent but even so she got voted in more than once.
Personally, I think she overdid it and some of what she did came across as almost vindictive even though the whole union movement had gotten past its original reason for being and had morphed in to a communist political movement in places like Liverpool. It needed fixing but it didn’t need such a destructive approach.
That aside no right turn’s attempt at humour says more about him than Thatcher.
Vote:December 25th, 2011 at 8:59 am
You expressed it more eloquently than I could. And of course, regarding NRT – people change – todays hilarious may turn out to be tomorrow’s cringing embarrassment.
Vote:December 25th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
Margaret Thatcher would have taken NRT’s comment as a great compliment. It was people like him that inspired her to say:
“I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.”
Vote:December 26th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Metaphysics, Socialism.
Read Karl Popper, The Poverty of Historicism, then The Logic of Scientific Discovery and then The Open Society.
Then come back here and say there is no connection between metaphysics and Socialism (via Historicism)
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