Own goal
December 7th, 2011 at 11:00 am by David FarrarI’d forgotten that Mickey Savage doesn’t just comment here and his own own blog. But someone pointed out this post on Monday 28th Nov where he says:
A third mooted candidate, David Shearer, is extremely unlikely to even stand, despite media speculation to the contrary.
Hmmn. And further.
David Shearer has also been mentioned as a possible leader. He is a decent talented person who will contribute significantly to the party in the future but he is not leadership material at this stage.The rumours about Shearer and Little were originally started by David Farrar and have been continuously mentioned by Cameron Slater. The media should discount anything Farrar or Slater says about the Labour Party.
Of course the following day David Shearer announced his candidacy for leader, and is now considered the front runner.
But here is what is hilarious. Mickey Savage is in fact the Auckland Regional Chairman for the Labour Party. So myself and Whale were far more accurate, perceptive and informed on the issue of the Labour Party leadership than Labour’s own regional chairman where the two leadership candidates come from!!
That has to hurt.
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December 7th, 2011 at 11:16 am
Is it true that Shearer announced he was standing after a party at Hooton’s place of the VRWC that you and Cactus actually didn’t attend? I’ve heard this from a couple of places.
Or did you attend?
[DPF: It is true David Shearer attended the party on Sunday, but it was the VRWNLLWC not just the VRWC. It is true he announced he would stand on Tuesday.
It is also true I did not attend. I was drinking down at the Viaduct with the Auckland Central team and the Young Nats.
I have not seen or talked to David Shearer since the election]
Vote:December 7th, 2011 at 11:24 am
Penguin and Whaleoil did not attend
Vote:I did, once my hangover subsided from the night before
Mr Shearer arrive shortly after I did
I suspect he was in a meeting prior with Penguin and Whaleoil
December 7th, 2011 at 11:26 am
Shearer appears to be leading the pack. But has he the guts to sort out the opposing factions if elected. He really only has Grant (tuurncoat) Robertson onside, but he is ruthless, so perhaps a “New Labour” will arise. Helen Clark has much to to answer for in destroying the “Old” Labour Party, but there are too many old Clarkites on site, who will not like getting their “uppance”. What of the Unions in all this – is Coatsworth/Little on board for all this ?. Look what the Unions have done to Ports of Auckland this week – loss of up to 54,000 pa containers via Maersk, to Tauranga. Like the look of Port of Tauranga shares – a private company. Len must be upset – but council should not be in the business of ports, particularly with the poor financial return and reputation of POA.
Vote:December 7th, 2011 at 11:30 am
Thanks Cactus!
I noticed you praising Shearer before his announcement.
So he really is the candidate of the VRWC!
Vote:December 7th, 2011 at 11:39 am
Plus he is almost certainly behind http://www.wewantdavidcunliffe.co.nz
Vote:December 7th, 2011 at 11:45 am
Paulus
Thankfully the world has moved on a bit from the union mentality of “fight the man and get the job done if you really really need to” to “get the job done and fight the man if you really really need to”.
Which reminds me of a joke;
Two port ‘workers’ were standing talking when one pointed to a snail on the ground. The second worker stomped on it and squashed it. The first worker said; that was a bit rough – why did you kill it? The second worker said; That bastard has been following me all day!
Vote:December 7th, 2011 at 11:48 am
>but he is not leadership material at this stage
That is quite an endorsement. If Shearer wins then I’d expect this assessment from his own regional chairman to be widely circulated. Voters certainly have a right to know.
Vote:December 7th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
In the Espiner interview with Cunliffe it was very noticeable just how often Shearer didn’t/couldn’t address the actual question asked. His answers seemed prone to irrelevant addition, ie. he addressed stuff that hadn’t been asked, or he failed to address the substance of the actual question. Yes, he was under pressures to which he wouldn’t have been accustomed, but I think any worthy contender for leadership would have possessed more instinctive abilities to perform better than he showed.
Cunliffe is obviously the far more capable of the two, but he has more enemies among his colleagues than on the entire other side of the House. If Shearer is chosen as a sop to Labour’s typical touchy-feely coziness and in-built unreality there’ll be more bloodletting in the style of a Mike Moore/Geoffrey Palmer incident before the next term ends.
But that’s Labour and its birdbath depth of political offerings. Either Hobson’s choice – take it or leave it – or no choice at all.
Altogether unsurprising in such a distilled gathering of complete and utter self-focused wankers.
Vote:December 7th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
burt, that (for some tangential reason) reminded me of a line out of Bad Taste:
Barry: Jeez, he could be from the Ministry of Works or somthing.
Vote:Derek: Nah, he’s moving too fast.
December 7th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
If Shearer is chosen as a sop to Labour’s typical touchy-feely coziness and unreality there’ll be more bloodletting in the style of a Mike Moore/Geoffrey Palmer incident before the next term ends.
There was no “incident” or blood-letting about Moore and Palmer.
In the dying days of the Palmer government in 1990, Labour’s polling found they would lose more seats if Palmer stayed as leader than if the blokisy Moore was leader.
Helen Clark went to Palmer and asked him to stand aside for Moore. Palmer did so without a moment’s hesitation and with the utmost relief.
Clark is on record as saying the polling showed she would even lose her seat if Palmer remained — not, she hastened to add, that that had anything to do with her approach to Palmer.
Vote:December 7th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Remarkable how, over at the Stranded, contributors are positively foaming at the mouth for Cunners and completely anti Shearer.
Do you think that their funding might be cut if Cunners misses out????
Vote:December 7th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
As the saying goes DPF. No brain,no pain.
Vote:Guess this must apply to the Dicky Sausage Chairmoan of the Auckland Left.
December 7th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Thanks for the in depth revelation, Dave.
My chosen words, “in the style of,” were meant to convey only that there’d been such a change – and that there’d be another.
Incidentally, I’ve always had a lot of time for Mike Moore – Palmer. on the other hand, was never much more than a conceited dipstick.
Vote:December 7th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Perils of anonymous blogging.
Could the Labour “insiders” please stop showing off by making public comments that would be best kept private? Please.
Vote:December 7th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Was amused to read about Micky Savage and his own goal. Not a very bright move from a not so bright person. Hard to imagine that he is a practicing solicitor… Obviously needs to practice more.
I guess the term…. three more years ….will be ringing in his ears….. If his choice of Labours new leader gets the nod it will be six more years.
Vote:December 7th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Something that amuses me is seeing the line “Shearer was saving 50 million lives while John Key was earning 50 million dollars…” or variants on that theme. I recall first seeing that here in what was I think DPF’s first post on the Shearer-Cunliffe (and then also Parker) leadership contest. I heard it a couple of days ago quoted on National radio, and also written elsewhere.
Query, was that a Kiwiblog original, or was it first used elsewhere as a sort of tag line for Shearer ?
Vote:December 7th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
It is a Kiwiblog original. It was talked about on Saturday election night between myself and some Labour people at TVNZ. The final wording was from one of them, but I provided the basic contrast of both spent 20 years overseas, one making $50 mil, one saving lives. It was one of the Labour people who turned it into saving 50 million lives.
As far as I know that phrase never was published before I published it, and yes it has turned up all over the place
Vote:December 7th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Just an aside from a new person here. Mickey Savage? A bit pretentious isn’t it for the local commissar to use Savage’s name as a nom de plume. A bit like the local vicar calling himself Jesus Christ.
Vote:December 7th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Mickey Savage? A bit pretentious isn’t it for the local commissar to use Savage’s name as a nom de plume
PUTS HAND UP:
I think it may be my fault. I think he used to post here as MickeyD and I teased him a little about it one time, in relation to the Coro Street sadness of the charter-driven TVNZ. In the midst of this I suggested that, with his passion for the ancient NZ past, the nom de plume Mickey Savage might be more appropriate. MickeyD promptly vanished to be replaced by the relentless partisan we’ve all come to know.
I can’t wait until Mickey starts commenting on stuff he really knows nothing about. Must stock up on popcorn.
Vote:December 7th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
To be fair Micket Savage is having trouble forming proper sentences at the moment with Cunliffes clackers stuffed so far inside his gob.
Betting all your (read miniscule) political capital on one horse is a moronic thing to do. If Shearer wins all ambition of advancement in Labour goes out the window and it is back to a life time of challenging parking fines and writing up old ladies wills.
Vote:December 7th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
GazzaW>Mickey Savage? A bit pretentious isn’t it for the local commissar to use Savage’s name as a nom de plume.
“Savage” is actually Auckland city board member and Labour Party hack Greg Presland. Presland used to bang on about David Garrett “stealing a dead baby’s name”, unaware of the irony that he has stolen the identity of Mick Savage. Who lives somewhere north of Auckland, according to the online phone directory.
Vote:December 7th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
All the speculation above makes me wonder; was Greg “mickysavage” Presland at the BBQ at Hooten’s place where the VRWC annointed David Shearer at the same time as all the Lefties were drinking Busted Blond’s Veuve Cliquot? Or is that taking the story just a step too far?
Vote:December 7th, 2011 at 8:19 pm
> I think it may be my fault
Tom – I’ve wondered for a while now why someone who spends so much time posting nasty little diatribes on right wing blog sites thinks he somehow measures up to a former Prime Minister and idol of the left.
Good to get some context around it – thanks.
Vote:December 7th, 2011 at 8:23 pm
“As far as I know that phrase never was published before I published it, and yes it has turned up all over the place”
Shearer himself has since used it (on that Labour leader debate if IIRC)
Edit: Woohoo, 1000 posts
Vote:December 7th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
So, all we have to do is support anyone with maybe a shred of talent in the labour party and the morons will do the opposite, sounds like a cunning plan.
Poor old Greg Presland, I do believe however he was allowed to be the acting chairman of some minor mechanisim in this great thing called democracy for a Auckland Community Board or some such indespenible committiee recently
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