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		<title>By: campit</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/01/auckland_needs_to_get_bigger.html#comment-926989</link>
		<dc:creator>campit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 07:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I can’t think of anything more guaranteed to push house prices up massively so only the rich can afford one.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Increasing housing stock by 100,000 is significant though - about the size of Manukau.

But why focus on house prices?  If there are more apartments, the average cost of a &lt;em&gt;dwelling&lt;/em&gt; would actually fall.  Increasingly more people are choosing to live in apartments. Like yourself, DPF. 

The Real Estate Institute and media also fall into the same trap, constantly quoting the median &lt;em&gt;house&lt;/em&gt; price rather than the median &lt;em&gt;dwelling&lt;/em&gt; price.

There is a brilliant series of posts on Auckland&#039;s spatial plan here:

http://transportblog.co.nz/tag/spatial-plan/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I can’t think of anything more guaranteed to push house prices up massively so only the rich can afford one.</p></blockquote>
<p>Increasing housing stock by 100,000 is significant though &#8211; about the size of Manukau.</p>
<p>But why focus on house prices?  If there are more apartments, the average cost of a <em>dwelling</em> would actually fall.  Increasingly more people are choosing to live in apartments. Like yourself, DPF. </p>
<p>The Real Estate Institute and media also fall into the same trap, constantly quoting the median <em>house</em> price rather than the median <em>dwelling</em> price.</p>
<p>There is a brilliant series of posts on Auckland&#8217;s spatial plan here:</p>
<p><a href="http://transportblog.co.nz/tag/spatial-plan/" rel="nofollow">http://transportblog.co.nz/tag/spatial-plan/</a></p>
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		<title>By: big bruv</title>
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		<dc:creator>big bruv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 06:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somebody else raised the point about South Auckland. There is a change happening up here, where once South Auckland was seen as the ghetto and a no go area it is slowly changing into a more desirable place to live.

Before I am shouted down I am sure that other Jafas can remember the time that one only ventured into Ponsonby under armed gaurd.

Of course if the scum are all leaving South Auckland then they have to go somewhere, that just happens to be bad news for anybody who lives out West. 
West Auckland is fast becoming a shit hole, while it has always had it&#039;s fair share of losers it also had a healthy number of honest  battlers who purchased their own house and did their best to raise their kids. These poor sods are now seeing the scum from South Auckland (along with their own home grown ferals) all move out west.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody else raised the point about South Auckland. There is a change happening up here, where once South Auckland was seen as the ghetto and a no go area it is slowly changing into a more desirable place to live.</p>
<p>Before I am shouted down I am sure that other Jafas can remember the time that one only ventured into Ponsonby under armed gaurd.</p>
<p>Of course if the scum are all leaving South Auckland then they have to go somewhere, that just happens to be bad news for anybody who lives out West.<br />
West Auckland is fast becoming a shit hole, while it has always had it&#8217;s fair share of losers it also had a healthy number of honest  battlers who purchased their own house and did their best to raise their kids. These poor sods are now seeing the scum from South Auckland (along with their own home grown ferals) all move out west.</p>
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		<title>By: SPC</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/01/auckland_needs_to_get_bigger.html#comment-926571</link>
		<dc:creator>SPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 12:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is needed is central government planning - new land secured for building and public transport (rail most likely) into Auckland. Even government finance and development  - and then builders supplying home buyers. 

We need new land made available for building to hold down land values and ensure builders can build property throughout the area that people can afford to buy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is needed is central government planning &#8211; new land secured for building and public transport (rail most likely) into Auckland. Even government finance and development  &#8211; and then builders supplying home buyers. </p>
<p>We need new land made available for building to hold down land values and ensure builders can build property throughout the area that people can afford to buy.</p>
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		<title>By: Clint Heine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clint Heine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 12:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cactus is right, you&#039;re bloody dreaming if you think Auckland is capable of growing into an affluent sprawling mega city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cactus is right, you&#8217;re bloody dreaming if you think Auckland is capable of growing into an affluent sprawling mega city.</p>
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		<title>By: hj</title>
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		<dc:creator>hj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Auckland needs to get bigger because property developers run the country. 

&lt;i&gt;Despite the rough economy, Not In My Back Yard (NIMBY) attitudes about real estate development projects are stronger than ever. In fact, Americans’ opposition to new local development actually intensified for the first time since 2008, the 2011 Saint Index found. Cynicism about how and where development takes place is pervasive when Americans consider their own communities. Politics will continue to influence the development process, the results show, as Americans place high importance on a candidate’s position on growth and development issues when considering candidates for local office.
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A great majority of Americans — in fact, the highest level in six years of Saint Index surveys — oppose new development in their own community. &lt;b&gt;79 percent said their hometown is fine the way it is or already over-developed. &lt;/b&gt;Some 86 percent of suburban Americans do not want new development in their community. Asked, “What type of new development would you most like to see in your community?” the most common answer was “none.”&lt;/i&gt;
http://saintindex.info/general-attitudes#nimbyattitudes

and they get way with it because of the left:
&lt;i&gt;Anti-immigration feeling has no place in the Green party Immigration and Population policies released today, Green MP Keith Locke says.
&quot;Our policy is the opposite of Winston Peters&#039;,&quot; the Party&#039;s Immigration Spokesperson Keith Locke says.

&quot;We have no fear of migrants. The Green Party says &#039;Welcome Home - this is your country now&#039;. Our welcome extends to the families of new migrants. The Green Party policy is fundamentally humanitarian, not exclusionary like Mr Peters&#039;.
http://www.greens.org.nz/press-releases/greens-counter-peters-welcoming-immigration-policy


New Zealand&#039;s change in immigration policy dates back to the early 1990s when the gap in productivity with other nations became pronounced between the years 1970 and 1990. Higher immigration was intended to fix the problem.

In its report, the SWG claims the move backfired.
http://www.interest.co.nz/kiwisaver/52140/migration-policy-linked-inflated-housing-prices-government-spending-and-low-savings&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Auckland needs to get bigger because property developers run the country. </p>
<p><i>Despite the rough economy, Not In My Back Yard (NIMBY) attitudes about real estate development projects are stronger than ever. In fact, Americans’ opposition to new local development actually intensified for the first time since 2008, the 2011 Saint Index found. Cynicism about how and where development takes place is pervasive when Americans consider their own communities. Politics will continue to influence the development process, the results show, as Americans place high importance on a candidate’s position on growth and development issues when considering candidates for local office.<br />
&#8230;<br />
A great majority of Americans — in fact, the highest level in six years of Saint Index surveys — oppose new development in their own community. <b>79 percent said their hometown is fine the way it is or already over-developed. </b>Some 86 percent of suburban Americans do not want new development in their community. Asked, “What type of new development would you most like to see in your community?” the most common answer was “none.”</i><br />
<a href="http://saintindex.info/general-attitudes#nimbyattitudes" rel="nofollow">http://saintindex.info/general-attitudes#nimbyattitudes</a></p>
<p>and they get way with it because of the left:<br />
<i>Anti-immigration feeling has no place in the Green party Immigration and Population policies released today, Green MP Keith Locke says.<br />
&#8220;Our policy is the opposite of Winston Peters&#8217;,&#8221; the Party&#8217;s Immigration Spokesperson Keith Locke says.</p>
<p>&#8220;We have no fear of migrants. The Green Party says &#8216;Welcome Home &#8211; this is your country now&#8217;. Our welcome extends to the families of new migrants. The Green Party policy is fundamentally humanitarian, not exclusionary like Mr Peters&#8217;.<br />
<a href="http://www.greens.org.nz/press-releases/greens-counter-peters-welcoming-immigration-policy" rel="nofollow">http://www.greens.org.nz/press-releases/greens-counter-peters-welcoming-immigration-policy</a></p>
<p>New Zealand&#8217;s change in immigration policy dates back to the early 1990s when the gap in productivity with other nations became pronounced between the years 1970 and 1990. Higher immigration was intended to fix the problem.</p>
<p>In its report, the SWG claims the move backfired.<br />
<a href="http://www.interest.co.nz/kiwisaver/52140/migration-policy-linked-inflated-housing-prices-government-spending-and-low-savings" rel="nofollow">http://www.interest.co.nz/kiwisaver/52140/migration-policy-linked-inflated-housing-prices-government-spending-and-low-savings</a></i></p>
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		<title>By: Owen McShane</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/01/auckland_needs_to_get_bigger.html#comment-926520</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen McShane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 07:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This letter has not been published by the Herald.
Robertson&#039;&#039;s letter was a result of an error in the Herald&#039;s reporting. But his letter stands while Demographia&#039;s response goes unread in NZ but is distributed widely in the international media.

Here is the unpublished truth. David, maybe you could persuade the Herald to set the record straight.


THINGS AREN&#039;T THAT BAD IN SAGINAW

by Wendell Cox 01/24/2012
Our 8th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey included the Saginaw, Michigan metropolitan area, which we noted had the lowest Median Multiple (median house price divided by median household income) among the included 325 metropolitan areas. This made Saginaw the most affordable metropolitan market, principally due to depressed economic conditions. Saginaw has been ravaged by the loss of manufacturing jobs and a generally declining economy because of its strong industrial ties to the Detroit metropolitan area.

D. Robertson of Freeman&#039;s Bay (Auckland, New Zealand) must think that things are much worse, as indicated by a letter to the editor in the New Zealand Herald on January 24 (The Herald does not post letters to the editor on its internet site). Robertson says that including and prominently reporting the result of Saginaw Michigan (population 297 in 120-odd dwellings) was inappropriate. Robertson makes a 99.9% error, having apparently confused Saginaw, Missouri (population 297) with Saginaw, Michigan. According to the 2010 US Census, the Saginaw metropolitan area has a population of 200,169. That would be substantial enough to qualify Saginaw as one of New Zealand&#039;s largest metropolitan areas if it were there.

Does the Herald have no regard for reporting the truth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This letter has not been published by the Herald.<br />
Robertson&#8221;s letter was a result of an error in the Herald&#8217;s reporting. But his letter stands while Demographia&#8217;s response goes unread in NZ but is distributed widely in the international media.</p>
<p>Here is the unpublished truth. David, maybe you could persuade the Herald to set the record straight.</p>
<p>THINGS AREN&#8217;T THAT BAD IN SAGINAW</p>
<p>by Wendell Cox 01/24/2012<br />
Our 8th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey included the Saginaw, Michigan metropolitan area, which we noted had the lowest Median Multiple (median house price divided by median household income) among the included 325 metropolitan areas. This made Saginaw the most affordable metropolitan market, principally due to depressed economic conditions. Saginaw has been ravaged by the loss of manufacturing jobs and a generally declining economy because of its strong industrial ties to the Detroit metropolitan area.</p>
<p>D. Robertson of Freeman&#8217;s Bay (Auckland, New Zealand) must think that things are much worse, as indicated by a letter to the editor in the New Zealand Herald on January 24 (The Herald does not post letters to the editor on its internet site). Robertson says that including and prominently reporting the result of Saginaw Michigan (population 297 in 120-odd dwellings) was inappropriate. Robertson makes a 99.9% error, having apparently confused Saginaw, Missouri (population 297) with Saginaw, Michigan. According to the 2010 US Census, the Saginaw metropolitan area has a population of 200,169. That would be substantial enough to qualify Saginaw as one of New Zealand&#8217;s largest metropolitan areas if it were there.</p>
<p>Does the Herald have no regard for reporting the truth?</p>
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		<title>By: Cactus Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cactus Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 07:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Auckland can only dream of becoming like Hong Kong.
For a starter the welfare bill would diminish and taxes would halve.
Happy times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Auckland can only dream of becoming like Hong Kong.<br />
For a starter the welfare bill would diminish and taxes would halve.<br />
Happy times.</p>
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		<title>By: Tautaioleua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tautaioleua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 06:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I remember correctly, growth in central and north Auckland is set to cease altogether. The real growth for the Auckland region is actually in Counties Manukau. It is the youngest district in the region and therefore the most likely to expand over the course of many years.

This is where the real investment will need to be focused. Building well beyond Papakura and Dury will help with those efforts. Maximising land in existing suburbs in the Counties Manukau area will also lead to greater success in the long-term.

But shrinking the land area of housing is not the answer moving forward. People need recreational space to breath and cutting into the front and backyards is not the answer. Nobody wants to be so close to their neighbours that shower time in the morning becomes a challenge. 

:D

Great thinking David, we need to build outward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I remember correctly, growth in central and north Auckland is set to cease altogether. The real growth for the Auckland region is actually in Counties Manukau. It is the youngest district in the region and therefore the most likely to expand over the course of many years.</p>
<p>This is where the real investment will need to be focused. Building well beyond Papakura and Dury will help with those efforts. Maximising land in existing suburbs in the Counties Manukau area will also lead to greater success in the long-term.</p>
<p>But shrinking the land area of housing is not the answer moving forward. People need recreational space to breath and cutting into the front and backyards is not the answer. Nobody wants to be so close to their neighbours that shower time in the morning becomes a challenge. </p>
<p> <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Great thinking David, we need to build outward.</p>
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		<title>By: Pauleastbay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pauleastbay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 05:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and the population of vegas 15 years ago was what?
Las Vegas is the 28th-most populous city in the United States, with an estimated population by the U.S. Census Bureau of 583,756 as of 2010. The 2010 population estimate of the Las Vegas metropolitan area was 1,951,269.[2]

Auckland City&#039;s pop.  is 400,000 but the metropolitain pop is 1.5million  your point is what</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and the population of vegas 15 years ago was what?<br />
Las Vegas is the 28th-most populous city in the United States, with an estimated population by the U.S. Census Bureau of 583,756 as of 2010. The 2010 population estimate of the Las Vegas metropolitan area was 1,951,269.[2]</p>
<p>Auckland City&#8217;s pop.  is 400,000 but the metropolitain pop is 1.5million  your point is what</p>
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		<title>By: RRM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RRM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 05:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear hear DPF.

People criticise it as a brick &amp; tile spec home hell, but I view the design of Botany Town Centre and Dannemora, out near the East Tamaki industrial zone, as one of the more forward-looking and inspired pieces of planning that has happened in Auckland in recent times. An attempt to build a new centre where people can live and work, without having to go into Auckland every day, but not so far away that it&#039;s disconnected socially.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear hear DPF.</p>
<p>People criticise it as a brick &amp; tile spec home hell, but I view the design of Botany Town Centre and Dannemora, out near the East Tamaki industrial zone, as one of the more forward-looking and inspired pieces of planning that has happened in Auckland in recent times. An attempt to build a new centre where people can live and work, without having to go into Auckland every day, but not so far away that it&#8217;s disconnected socially.</p>
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		<title>By: gazzmaniac</title>
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		<dc:creator>gazzmaniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 05:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the people are coming to Auckland whether we want them or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the people are coming to Auckland whether we want them or not.</p>
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		<title>By: elscorcho</title>
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		<dc:creator>elscorcho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 05:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;&gt;

Las Vegas: population 580k
End of topic.</description>
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<p>Las Vegas: population 580k<br />
End of topic.</p>
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		<title>By: elscorcho</title>
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		<dc:creator>elscorcho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 05:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None of the above have actually asked why we need more people.
ZPM. Zero Population Movement. It&#039;s the future</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of the above have actually asked why we need more people.<br />
ZPM. Zero Population Movement. It&#8217;s the future</p>
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		<title>By: gazzmaniac</title>
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		<dc:creator>gazzmaniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 05:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mavxp - They tried that at Robina and Coomera in Gold Coast City.  Guess which property on the coast lost the most value in the last three years?  It was the medium density townhouses.  The suburban apartments never really took off to start with.
People don&#039;t want to live in high density areas, they want to live with space around them.  This has been proven time and time again.  High density living also creates traffic problems, which are definitely a negative even if some people think it&#039;s a good thing to encourage public transport.
It is interesting that the parts of the Gold Coast that have bad traffic problems are the bits where there are apartment buildings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mavxp &#8211; They tried that at Robina and Coomera in Gold Coast City.  Guess which property on the coast lost the most value in the last three years?  It was the medium density townhouses.  The suburban apartments never really took off to start with.<br />
People don&#8217;t want to live in high density areas, they want to live with space around them.  This has been proven time and time again.  High density living also creates traffic problems, which are definitely a negative even if some people think it&#8217;s a good thing to encourage public transport.<br />
It is interesting that the parts of the Gold Coast that have bad traffic problems are the bits where there are apartment buildings.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 05:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There is no advantage in Auckland or even New Zealand having more people.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Except the fun and interesting cities of the world have millions of people. I live in Sydney now and it&#039;s a lot more happening than Auckland is. I could be wrong about the &#039;high population = fun&#039; causation link but that&#039;s how it seems to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There is no advantage in Auckland or even New Zealand having more people.</p></blockquote>
<p>Except the fun and interesting cities of the world have millions of people. I live in Sydney now and it&#8217;s a lot more happening than Auckland is. I could be wrong about the &#8216;high population = fun&#8217; causation link but that&#8217;s how it seems to me.</p>
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		<title>By: mavxp</title>
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		<dc:creator>mavxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 05:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t an either/or debate. Auckland will be going upwards and outwards and also retain many a leafy suburb with separate houses. Controlling development does make sense. Especially when you need to move the people and goods from one side to the other in an orderly fashion. 

If I were proclaimed Imperator of Auckland I would:

1) Identify key transport hubs at town centres/ malls throughout the &#039;burbs. 
2) Build train/bus centres at these locations, park &amp; ride facilities, and covered/secure bike storage.
3) Run track or bus-only corridors between the hubs, creating a network of radial spokes of direct in/out lines into the CBD and circle lines around the city. Run dual walking/ cycleways also to connect the hill reserves and parks in the city.
4) Operate an Auckland wide electronic bus/train ticketing system. 
5) Zone within a 10 min walking distance of the major hubs as intensive living for apartments (high rise)
6) Zone within 20 mins walk as townhouse living.
7) Beyond that leave as low rise.
8.) Expand the city boundaries by developing satellite towns connected by major transport links - either rail or bus-only corridors, as well as close proximity to motorways. Separate them from the main city limits by parks and reserves. Develop the satellite towns on the same zoning principles as the transport hubs in the city from the get-go.
9) require all new office workplaces to provide showers, change facilities and secure bike storage for employees.

Of course that will all take many years, and $, but Rome wasn&#039;t built in a day. Thinking of Rome, perhaps to fund it we should invade a small corrupt African despotic regime rich in natural resources and mine the hell out of it. Give our young unemployed something productive to do, develop their country enough to keep the locals happy, and use the profits to build a clean green Auckland. Win win? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t an either/or debate. Auckland will be going upwards and outwards and also retain many a leafy suburb with separate houses. Controlling development does make sense. Especially when you need to move the people and goods from one side to the other in an orderly fashion. </p>
<p>If I were proclaimed Imperator of Auckland I would:</p>
<p>1) Identify key transport hubs at town centres/ malls throughout the &#8216;burbs.<br />
2) Build train/bus centres at these locations, park &amp; ride facilities, and covered/secure bike storage.<br />
3) Run track or bus-only corridors between the hubs, creating a network of radial spokes of direct in/out lines into the CBD and circle lines around the city. Run dual walking/ cycleways also to connect the hill reserves and parks in the city.<br />
4) Operate an Auckland wide electronic bus/train ticketing system.<br />
5) Zone within a 10 min walking distance of the major hubs as intensive living for apartments (high rise)<br />
6) Zone within 20 mins walk as townhouse living.<br />
7) Beyond that leave as low rise.<br />
8.) Expand the city boundaries by developing satellite towns connected by major transport links &#8211; either rail or bus-only corridors, as well as close proximity to motorways. Separate them from the main city limits by parks and reserves. Develop the satellite towns on the same zoning principles as the transport hubs in the city from the get-go.<br />
9) require all new office workplaces to provide showers, change facilities and secure bike storage for employees.</p>
<p>Of course that will all take many years, and $, but Rome wasn&#8217;t built in a day. Thinking of Rome, perhaps to fund it we should invade a small corrupt African despotic regime rich in natural resources and mine the hell out of it. Give our young unemployed something productive to do, develop their country enough to keep the locals happy, and use the profits to build a clean green Auckland. Win win? <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Scott Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 05:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gazzmaniac says:- &quot;the only way you’d be able to force the council provide an adequate supply of land would be if they were appointed not elected&quot;

Hmm, interesting point. Perhaps the responsibility of issuing building consents could be delegated to an appointed board.

But I can already hear the cries of &quot;unconstitutional&quot;. I guess that&#039;s one of democracy&#039;s inherent problems, when the governing body is essentially appointed by self interested rate payers. Who else bothers to vote in local elections?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gazzmaniac says:- &#8220;the only way you’d be able to force the council provide an adequate supply of land would be if they were appointed not elected&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmm, interesting point. Perhaps the responsibility of issuing building consents could be delegated to an appointed board.</p>
<p>But I can already hear the cries of &#8220;unconstitutional&#8221;. I guess that&#8217;s one of democracy&#8217;s inherent problems, when the governing body is essentially appointed by self interested rate payers. Who else bothers to vote in local elections?</p>
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		<title>By: Bullitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bullitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 05:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>elscorcho I agree.  There is no advantage in Auckland or even New Zealand having more people.  More people means more infrastructure of all kinds.  With more restrictions on immigration (from all sources not just anti chinese or whatever) and less encouragement for people to have kids they cant afford many problems including housing affordability would be solved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>elscorcho I agree.  There is no advantage in Auckland or even New Zealand having more people.  More people means more infrastructure of all kinds.  With more restrictions on immigration (from all sources not just anti chinese or whatever) and less encouragement for people to have kids they cant afford many problems including housing affordability would be solved.</p>
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		<title>By: awb</title>
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		<dc:creator>awb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 04:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gazzmaniac - Our islands are a finite space. Are you advocating we use farmland, which is currently our most productive resource, for more houses?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gazzmaniac &#8211; Our islands are a finite space. Are you advocating we use farmland, which is currently our most productive resource, for more houses?</p>
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		<title>By: gazzmaniac</title>
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		<dc:creator>gazzmaniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 04:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>awb - Singapore doesn&#039;t have the spare land to simply grow outwards.  New Zealand does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>awb &#8211; Singapore doesn&#8217;t have the spare land to simply grow outwards.  New Zealand does.</p>
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