Racism in New Zealand

January 6th, 2012 at 7:00 am by David Farrar

Sarah Hallmen from Germany is doing a paper on Maori in NZ, and has to write about the topic “ between Maori and Pakeha”, looking at whether is still an issue, is it in one or both directions, and what the Government does to avoid it.

She has a questionnaire which is linked here and embedded below. If you have 5 – 10 minutes to spare, it would help a student out if you can fill in the questionnaire and send it to sarahhallmen at yahoo dot de. Polemics are not needed, but honest opinions are welcome.

Questionnaire – Fragebogen.

The enbedded version is below. But use the one you can download if you are willing to complete and e-mail it.

Fragebogen

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29 Responses to “Racism in New Zealand”

  1. Murray (8,841 comments) says:

    I would question the value of data resulting from such a binary based set of questions that seemed designed more to establish the perceptions of the subject than any actual quantifiable facts.

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  2. iMP (2,330 comments) says:

    I agree. Asians suffer a lot of racism in NZ; its really about “difference” more than any Maori/Pakeha (racial) paradigm. I hope her study uncovers that. Old people are prejudiced against young people (talk to any skateboarder) and young people are prejudiced against old peopel (old git), etc.

    Maori vs Pakeha, tired, myopic and self-defining.

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  3. Scott Chris (5,958 comments) says:

    David Farrar says:- “Polemics are not needed”

    Yup I agree. The fuckers should stay in Poland….. But seriously, you introduce a topic of racism and expect there to be no polemical debate? You jest surely.

    As for the student’s research, she might like to listen to this classic Blam Blam Blam song, “There is no depression in New Zealand”

    http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/there-is-no-depression-in-new-zealand-1981

    “We have no… drug addicts. We have no…. racism. We have no….. sexism sexism sexism no no there is no depression in New Zealand”

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  4. adze (1,974 comments) says:

    I realise it’s only a school project, but yeah, what Murray said. Questionnaire design has to be sophisticated enough to avoid self-serving responses.

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  5. Nostalgia-NZ (5,023 comments) says:

    Classic song yes.
    I’ve sometimes wondered if it was a reaction to Muldoon’s claims that everything was cherry pie, or a deeper meaning to do with the long grey cloud.

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  6. JamesS (352 comments) says:

    The word ‘pakeha’ is a racist term directed against white folk.

    Cannot help thinking this Hun and her left wing teacher/s had to hold their tongue not to include questions such as -

    1. You are Pakeha, how long have you been racist against Maori?
    2. Are you simply in denial about your racism?
    3. Do you feel ashamed about your ancestors stealing an entire country from the poor downtrodden Maori?
    4. Are you in denial about that, too?
    5. How many times per day do you engage in racism against Maori?

    (you get the general idea)

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  7. Scott Chris (5,958 comments) says:

    Ha, priceless. JamesS objects to the the term pakeha and in the very next sentence uses the epithet ‘Hun’

    No irony in this guy.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs

    (Funnily enough, pakeha doesn’t appear in this list. I wonder why?)

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  8. JamesS (352 comments) says:

    “I wonder why” – the answer, mate, is because it is directed against white people and according to the left wingers and liberals you cannot have racism against whites – as proven by the widespread support for Hone and his comments.

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  9. Falafulu Fisi (2,176 comments) says:

    I think that the student may as well consult a physicist (socio-physicist) regarding the topic of segregation/racism dynamic modeling. Prof. Dietrich Stauffer who’s a socio-physicist expert from University of Cologne (Germany). Physicists have improved upon the original Schelling Segregation model originally developed by 2005 Economics Nobel Laureate Prof. Thomas Schelling.

    #1) Urban and Scientific Segregation: The Schelling-Ising Model by Dietrich Stauffer.

    #2) Statistical physics of the Schelling model of segregation

    On a related note, apparently San Francisco was the most segregated Metropolitan Area for Asians and us Pacific Islanders according to the findings in the paper of the authors below:

    A physicist’s view of the notion of “racism”

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  10. Scott Chris (5,958 comments) says:

    JamesS says:- “according to the left wingers and liberals you cannot have racism against whites.”

    Rubbish. Hone Harawira and Margaret Mutu are racists, but that has nothing to do with the word pakeha.

    What is the Maori word for an early colonial if it isn’t pakeha? They have to have a word for us don’t they? Whatever it originally meant, like the word ‘gay’ simply means homosexual, it is now just a word that means a New Zealander of European descent.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C4%81keh%C4%81
    :arrow: “Māori in the Bay of Islands and surrounding districts had no doubts about the meaning of the word in the 19th century. In 1831, thirteen rangatira from the far north of the country met at Kerikeri to compose a letter to King William IV, seeking protection from the French “the tribe of Marion”. Written in Māori the letter used the word “pākehā” to mean British European, and the words “tau iwi” to mean strangers (non British) as shown in the translation that year of the letter from Māori to English by the missionary William Yate.”

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  11. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    The more one gives creedence to the simple notion of racism the more it reinforces the fraudulent concept of races.

    She would be better of attempting to destroy the notion of racism and races in NZ by looking at the inevitable clashes that occur when a transplanted foreign culture imposes it’s unjustified sense of superiority on an indigenous culture with a view to colonising, assimilating and marginalising the native populace under the guise of civilizing them.

    Given that, it’s easy to see how animosity between the cultures would exhibit themselves in forms of bigotry, elitism, institutional bias leading to violence and bloodshed which can then be superficially passed off as simple, but mistakenly racist.

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  12. EverlastingFire (291 comments) says:

    Oh great, another wannabe researcher tackling the ‘big issues’. I won’t even bother.

    Who gives a shit what “Pakeha” means. Just call yourself whatever you want like many others do. A lot of us so-called “Pakeha” just labelled themselves “New Zealander” in the last census. Which kind of works, because some Maori don’t like to be called a New Zealander, and prefer just “maori” or “kiwi”.

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  13. JamesS (352 comments) says:

    Everlasting fire is correct; personally I always call myself a New Zealander. It is only those from the “professional victim-hood’ who feel the need to label themselves.

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  14. Murray (8,841 comments) says:

    Polliwogs right,the Brits should never have stopped cannibalism and slavery in these islands. How dare they!

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  15. Scott Chris (5,958 comments) says:

    JamesS says:- “It is only those from the “professional victim-hood’ who feel the need to label themselves.”

    You just labeled yourself a New Zealander. Blimey, you don’t think very hard James.

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  16. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    Polliwogs right,the Brits should never have stopped cannibalism and slavery in these islands. How dare they!

    the Brits didn’t stop shit, we stopped of our own accord and if we wanted to start eating people again we would and ain’t a damn thing the Brits could do.

    …besides, what’s wrong with cannibalism ?

    If it can be justified by the European crusaders in their holy war with islam back in the day it can sure as hell be justified by Pasifika religions back in the day too.

    …and as for slavery. Yeah thanks, for replacing that with serfdom. Pity we aint such good niggas for you eh massa ?

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  17. Murray (8,841 comments) says:

    Bullshit, both practices were stopped at the point of a bayonette.

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  18. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    link or it didn’t happen Murray.

    …but i’m still interested in how you’re going to frame your case for anti-cannibalism.

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  19. 3-coil (1,204 comments) says:

    Scott Chris (9:47am): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs (Funnily enough, pakeha doesn’t appear in this list. I wonder why?)

    I would hardly use wiki as the definitive list of racist slurs. Eg. there’s no mention of “bald-head” or “cracka-ass” (so popular with one of the frequent visitors here) so the abscence of “pakeha” from the list doesn’t mean a thing.

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  20. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    you forgot one cracka 3-coil. it’s cracka ass cracka

    originally describing the overseers with whips forcing slaves to be slaves and do slavish things which some still expect people of colour to do these days.

    it’s hardly a racist slur so no wonder it’s not on your list.

    and i’m a fan of ballhead too…especially the crazy ones

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  21. cha (3,840 comments) says:

    Thank you, Slaves!.

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  22. Steve (4,518 comments) says:

    I sent an email to Sarah Hallmen asking her to send the survey to John Hatfield.
    That way she would understand Racism in NZ

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  23. JamesS (352 comments) says:

    “link or it didn’t happen” isn’t that just typical these days – unless it is online we can disinvent the truth and politically correct lies prevail.

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  24. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    Whats always been typical is cracka ass crackas making bold historic claims with no proof to substantiate them, that then become common knowledge and get bandied about as gospel truth.

    check this shit out…

    SAMOA & FIJI CANNIBAL ISLES

    if Murrays gonna say the Brits stopped cannibalism at the point of a bayonette, then he better be able to prove it.

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  25. JamesS (352 comments) says:

    Pollywog – I think NZ circa. 1840 had vast numbers of Maoris who were savages; the British kindly attempted to civilise them and 170 years later the message is sort of getting through but with much, much work still to do.

    A case in point; a couple of months back I was at Mission Bay in Auckland – a popular spot for school groups. One bus arrived and dropped off a school group of mainly white, middle class children from a school in Milford.
    They were well behaved, respectful of others, put their rubbish in the bins provided.

    Then a bus pulls up full of Maori children from a school in deepest, darkest Manukau. They started yelling and screaming, climbing all over things, annoying people, throwing rubbish about, disrupting everyone, picking up sticks and hitting things in an attempt to break it and generally made it very unpleasant for everybody else due to mass oafishness.

    This ‘tale of two cultures’ is hardly unique; the lady at the Mission Bay cafe told me that brown skinned school groups always wreck everything and are unknown to behave themselves or respect others.

    As I say the Maoris are working on getting the savage culture out of them but 170 years later it is certainly taking a while!

    You do not need an internet link to prove this – just ask people in Mission Bay! ha ha

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  26. Nostalgia-NZ (5,023 comments) says:

    JamesS

    Too funny, of course your observations weren’t coloured by any preconceptions and are a valid discription of all aspects or your myopic state of mind. ‘White middle class from Milford,’ too much, and ‘deepest darkest Manukau’ you must have been trembling with excitement in your bell-bottoms. The poor people of Mission Bay invaded by children watchers.

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  27. Pharmachick (229 comments) says:

    DPF,
    I applaud your efforts to help this young lady by increasing her sample size (hopefully to something statistically significant, but how to power this “pilot” study?).

    Nevertheless, I strongly suggest you could have helped her more by providing advice, as a professional, about polling questions and study design. At her age, even if she doesn’t achieve a great sample size, the education about questionnaire-based research would likely be infinitely more valuable than the outcomes from a survey (particularly *this* survey).

    And no, I am not having a go at you, but as a professional that teaches at least 2 High School students each year (as well as at least 2 undergraduates) these types of experience and mentoring are things I feel quite strongly about. It takes a bit more time than we usually want to commit, but the outcomes can be invaluable to the students.

    Cheers

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  28. Steve (4,518 comments) says:

    ‘Deepest darkest Manukau’
    Malls are the same, territorial. Albany, Glenfield are quite different from ‘da lyn’ or ‘da park’ or ‘da west’

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  29. Steve (4,518 comments) says:

    I just found out what ‘polemic’ means. Learn a new word every day.
    I withdraw any comment that may have upset anyone.
    kiss kiss lets all be PC (not)

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