The Teapot tape online

January 26th, 2012 at 12:12 pm by David Farrar

A copy of the teapot tape has been placed online, and the link e-mailed to a huge number of people from an anon e-mail address.

There are a very small number of people who have that file. and the senior staff of the Herald on Sunday and TV3. Will any of them be brave enough to admit they did it? I will say I don’t think it is anyone from the Herald on Sunday. To be fair to them, they didn’t publish the tape originally, and it was TV3 that turned it into a daily circus.

I said before the election it was inevitable it would come out at some stage.

The recording is on (uploaded by 2Johns2Cups), plus two other locations. I’m not providing a direct link due to the questionable legality, but I do not believe saying where it has been published (as I have done) makes me a publisher, anymore than when newspapers reported Whale Oil had broken a suppression order (which sent everyone off to his site).

The irony is that the recording is quite benign, as the PM has said. The media beat this up into a nonsense, that just lowered their standing with most New Zealanders.

Hopefully this release will mean that we can all move on now, except of course we await the Police decision on the legality of making the recording.

Please do not post a direct link in the comments.

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52 Responses to “The Teapot tape online”

  1. Lance Wiggs (3 comments) says:

    I just listened to it, and while the conversation was difficult to hear at times, I heard nothing about Winston Peters, a bit about the stupidity of negative campaigning and otherwise nothing of substance. It was a cup of tea, a general chat and most of all a photo opportunity, which Banks appreciated.
    The winner was Winston Peters who managed to take nothing and get elected.

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  2. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    so it was after all a well organized publicity stunt. Why are we not surprised?

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  3. XChequer (298 comments) says:

    Well thats a non-event.

    What say you next, Winston?

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  4. Pete George (23,567 comments) says:

    No surprise they have been released, the only mild surprise was always going to be when.
    No surprise there is nothing of substance, that was the most likely revelation.
    No surprise it proves Winston milked a cow and served up bull.

    And no surprise if the media makes far more of it than it justifies, again.

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  5. hubbers (139 comments) says:

    You have to worry about the NZ media some times.

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  6. dog_eat_dog (781 comments) says:

    I have now heard these ‘tapes’. For an issue Labour wanted to make all about integrity, I was impressed with Key and Banks’ communication strategy that meant neither one of was in a position to lie to to or mislead the electorate.

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  7. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    The political sympathies of the uploader is pretty obvious with his/her choice of moniker too.

    I stopped watching TV3 news/current affairs (with The Nation being the sole exception) after that business.

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  8. Rat (383 comments) says:

    2Johns2Cups

    Thanks for directing us there DPF

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  9. queenstfarmer (782 comments) says:

    So that’s it? Very benign. What a total beat-up by the media, and stupidly handled by Key’s advisers. Lance is right – Winnie was the winner.

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  10. dog_eat_dog (781 comments) says:

    Winston was the winner? Sure, by lying and now having his credibility shot even further to bits.

    I wonder if released John Banks and John Key’s phone numbers uncensored are enough to help seal the deal on this being a potential breach of privacy.

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  11. JamesMeager (18 comments) says:

    Must have been a pain in the arse having to change his number.

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  12. Michael (909 comments) says:

    I’ve listened, there was nothing disrespectful apart from the observation about NZ First voters which Winnie used to maximum advantage.

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  13. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    So why did National push to get the tapes suppressed? This issue was badly managed by National, they should have called for the tape to be released to the media and shut the story down.
    By not doing this they risked losing the election and it almost certainly cost them 3-4 seats.

    [DPF: I think they did not want to encourage further secret taping]

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  14. Manolo (13,780 comments) says:

    An irrelevancy.
    Literally, a storm in a teacup, horribly managed by Smile-and-wave Key, which resulted in Winston’s NZF return to Parliament.

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  15. nznat (1 comment) says:

    This is “not” the teapot tape, and it has “not” been released at all. The public has been misled once again, and there is so many extremely gullible people on here yet again. wow. robots who believe anything. freaky! Well done John Key, pulled yet another fast one on the people of New Zealand. Gullible. far out.

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  16. Pete George (23,567 comments) says:

    Russel Brown has taken a different stance and embedded it in a post. Seems to be the real thing, I just started it to check with the sound off :) but curiously it started with an Occupy Aotearoa screen – maybe it’s supposed to be retaliation for this morning’s eviction.

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  17. tvb (4,422 comments) says:

    There has got to be some lessons learned here. Once Peters got into the act and started misrepresenting things then the tape should have been released. Putting in the hands of the police made that difficult. Referrings thIngs to the police needs careful thought and should never be done out of anger or spite. Take a deep breath first.

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  18. Graeme Edgeler (3,289 comments) says:

    DPF – I take it you’re aware that even referring to the existence of a secret illegal tape is just as illegal as releasing it?

    :-)

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  19. dog_eat_dog (781 comments) says:

    How was what they said about Winston’s voters disrespectful? The guy had been out of politics for a full term and they draw support from the elderly. “Dying out” would have been more offensive that what was actually said, which was nothing incendiary at all.

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  20. swan (665 comments) says:

    They were a bit mean to Brash. Hes ok.

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  21. Bed Rater (239 comments) says:

    Lets never forget that the Prime Minister wasted plenty of time and money in turning this boring piece of audio into a long winded story. He had the power to stop the story in it’s tracks, but didn’t

    What. a. dick.

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  22. Spoon (104 comments) says:

    A cunning ploy – now that it’s been leaked we can all see it was totally benign, and that Key’s suppression of the tape wasn’t a cover-up, but instead a genuinely principled move.

    Unfortunately I don’t think it’ll work out that way. Many of those that thought he lost credibility will probably still be left with a sour taste in their mouths. Regardless, it’s probably for Key best that it has come out now.

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  23. XChequer (298 comments) says:

    @ Gazzmaniaz

    “So why did National push to get the tapes suppressed?”

    I think it was probably more the principle of taping converstations when there is an expectation of privacy

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  24. tristanb (1,127 comments) says:

    This actually shows that John Key is a man of principle (even if you don’t agree with his principle).

    Rather than just release the tapes (which we now know were harmless), he stuck to his guns and didn’t let that sneaky Bradley Ambrose (and employer The NZ Herald) get away with the type of “journalism” that we don’t want in this country.

    It would have been better of him to release the tapes, but that would have meant Bradley, encouraged by the $$$ from the Herald, and the Herald, encouraged by their increased political power, would have been leaving tape recorders accidentally everywhere. I’m sure he suffered in the votes for his steadfastness, but he did it anyway. Good on him.

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  25. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    “….media just lowered their standard that much more….”

    How much lower can they get? The hearings in the UK into NOTW says it all really. Mind you politicians pointing fingers at the media about ethics is a bit of a larf.

    I’m more concerned about the “activist” nature of these tapings and anonymous releases to the media.
    Brash,gone by lunch time and some prick taping Bill English come to mind.

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  26. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    agree with tristanb.
    I’m also now more inclined to believe Ambrose didn’t listen to the tape before handing it to the Herald. If he had I doubt he would have thought it was worth anything. Still doesn’t change my opinion Ambrose is a dick.

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  27. slightlyrighty (2,475 comments) says:

    So…….Winston LIED.

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  28. labrator (1,850 comments) says:

    Banks: “Do you think Winston will get in?”
    Key: “Not a cold chance … He’s polling at 2.5 – 3%”

    No wonder Winston took a grab at it.

    Absolutely nothing in the recording too. What an incredible beat-up.

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  29. Auberon (873 comments) says:

    I just listened to it and didn’t even hear the supposed slight against old people. What did he actually say?

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  30. mickrodge (27 comments) says:

    Dollars to doughnuts Winston will still come across all incredulous with the contents of the tapes…his best form of defence is attack.

    A massive face palm though for Duncan Garner, Patrick Gower & the anonymous jackass writing the Herald editorials who beat this up as if their (professional) lives depended on it.

    And a bouquet to the Prime Minister for taking a stand against gutter press tactics. I bet Bradley Ambrose wishes he’d never recorded this in the first place.

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  31. Pete George (23,567 comments) says:

    PM Key changes is cell phone number. NZF MP and former Nth Shore mayor reportedly devastated. @mackersline #latenitecalls

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  32. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    The Herald on Sunday and TV3 should hang their respective corporate heads in shame. This was a classic and cynical attempt by the media to manipulate election coverage, and should now be the subject of complaints to the Press Council and the Broadcasting Standards Authority. It’s little wonder that people lament the standard of journalism in this country; the media needs to stick to reporting stories, and stop inventing them.

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  33. BeaB (2,123 comments) says:

    tristanb I agree with you.
    I think John Key stood on the principle that private conversations should not be recorded secretly. He knew what he said was of little consequence so cannot be accused of being fearful or even overbearing. What he did do was protect the right of all of us to sit down and have a chat without the media’s dirty tricks.
    And of course it didn’t hurt that for more than a week the stupid media allowed themselves to be thoroughly diverted and poor old Phil didn’t stand a chance of getting a headline or two.
    What have we learned?
    That what you see is what you get with our PM. He will stand for principle unlike Shearer who won’t rule anything in or rule anything out. He knows how to turn trivia into a media opportunity and the reef fish, as David Lange used to call them, swarm round.
    And the editor of the Herald still thinks it was a game changer!! What tosspots the media all are!

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  34. Sadu (129 comments) says:

    Love the herald’s leading story today “Key says sorry over teapot tape”.

    Useless wankers.

    I would have gone with one of the following headlines…

    “Nothing of substance on Tea tapes”
    “New Zealand’s media a national disgrace”
    “Looks like John Key was correct about tea tapes being bland”
    “Proven method to make anyone sleep in 8 mins or less”

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  35. Yvette (2,820 comments) says:

    When at about 7 minutes 23 seconds John Key asks Banks three times “Is that yours” then Banks says “No”, some else [possibly Diplomatic Protection] says that it is a recording device, why did they not confiscate it? Extremely odd. They know what it is but allow the cameraman to retrieve it.

    Overall however this only increases my hatred of Winston who lied himself into Parliament in 2005 on his promise to stay on the crossbenches and didn’t, but last November, on Monday November 14 on Morning Report said of the tea tape recording “… what should be very clear to the New Zealand media, that sort of behaviour is illegal. That’s ‘News of the World’ stuff … the behaviour is illegal, and that is the end of it …” then, by the following Thursday afternoon, Winston was the only person to have actually quoted what he said was detail of the conversation.

    And having heard the tape now it would appear he has lied to, or grossly mislead, the public again!

    The tea tapes launched him into Parliament, so that is rather false in itself, then what he suggested was so disturbing on the tapes, is again false – it doesn’t feature that way on the tape. But then, in the end, the comment made about his supporters was true any case.

    Dieu nous aident tous, excepté Winston sanglant

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  36. KevinH (1,227 comments) says:

    Yep, would have to agree that the tape was a storm in a teacup. Nothing riveting, just two men chatting.

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  37. slightlyrighty (2,475 comments) says:

    Yvette, I think you will find that the recording device was a remote microphone tuned to the camera of Ambrose. But yes, Winston has warped the truth to suit his own ends, again.

    Shame on anyone who voted for him.

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  38. Mark (1,488 comments) says:

    It does raise the question as to why Key made such a meal of this. the tape has nothing in it of any note. He has used the “so what”response to such good effect in the past if he had simply said publish it and held back on the police complaint Winston in all likelihood would not be there.

    And for all the mock indignation about Winston milking it for all he was worth, well who can be surprised at that. What fucked me off more was that Key gave him the opportunity

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  39. iMP (2,385 comments) says:

    Contrary to popular mis-quotation, it is still not “literally a storm in a tea cup.”

    ~English Teacher of Levin.

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  40. travellerev (148 comments) says:

    I like the nasty bit about Labour. How nasty and vindictive did John Key sound. His throat slitting gesture and his vindictive actions against the press show him for being the nastier of the lot and no, I wouldn’t vote Labour either or the Greens for that matter.

    As far as Winston Peters is concerned I think you’ll find a lot of people held their noses and voted for him not because he was the “alleged victim” John Key but because they did not want our assets sold and knew Peters would make a stink about it.

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  41. Manolo (13,780 comments) says:

    I agree with trivialrev. I blame John Key for 9/11 and the hoax moon landings.

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  42. Yvette (2,820 comments) says:

    Yvette, I think you will find that the recording device was a remote microphone tuned to the camera of Ambrose.

    Still doesn’t explain why the security person, or whoever, recognising it as “a recording device”, seconds after Key asks what it is, leaves it to be picked up apparently with no further questions.

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  43. ross (1,437 comments) says:

    “His throat slitting gesture and his vindictive actions against the press show him for being the nastier of the lot”

    Indeed, if anyone exposes his lies and bullshit, he gets rather nasty. I wonder if there’s a mirror in his house. He should stand in front of it once in a while.

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  44. ross (1,437 comments) says:

    “I think it was probably more the principle of taping converstations when there is an expectation of privacy”

    Yeah, National is really big on principles. LMAO

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  45. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    If John Key would stop talking NZ’s CO2 emissions would halve. Evil Gaia murdering wanker

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  46. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    Jeez ross – you’re not doing too well are you? But now that you bring up looking in the mirror…

    Have you finally admitted that your bollocks claims about the wharfie salaries at the POA were totally incorrect? You may remember – your version of events was that the wharfies are paid far less than the $91,400 per annum that has since been verified by the employer (POAL) and even verified a second time by their auditors Ernst & Young?

    Nah – thought not. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. You wouldn’t know the truth if it jumped up and bit you in the nuts.

    Its obvious that you received your accounting ‘skills’ from the same outfit that ‘taught’ Penny Bright.

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  47. Wayne91 (142 comments) says:

    Brilliant strategic handling by John Key of the so called tea pot tape saga

    No “scandal” at all

    GOt the left wing and left wing media in a “lather” over nothing and now left with egg alll over thier faces, and not man enough to admit it.

    Principle regarding private conversations upheld

    Winston Peters again found to be a liar and totally untrustworthy.

    Well done that man Mr Key!

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  48. Scott Chris (6,139 comments) says:

    So:

    1) The tape appears to have nothing of any particular interest on it.

    2) Releasing the tape would have revealed this fact and killed the media speculation.

    3) Those who are pointing their finger at the media are pointing in the wrong direction. The media simply supplies the general public with the information they choose to consume.

    Question:

    Why not just allow the tape to be released? To whose advantage was it to withhold the tape thus generating the inevitable speculation?

    Pans out that it was to Winston Peter’s advantage, which I can’t see as being any advantage to John Key.

    So either John Key’s stubbornness nearly cost him an election, or there is more to this political conundrum than meets the eye. Fucked if I know what that is.

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  49. Wayne91 (142 comments) says:

    Scott
    “Those who are pointing their finger at the media are pointing in the wrong direction. The media simply supplies the general public with the information they choose to consume.”

    I seem to recall it was the media who made a big deal of it where as most people thought it was nothing andthat there were far more important things to focus on. Some in the media would have also known what was on the tape and still tried to sensatonlise it – Pointing the finger at them is correct

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  50. Pete George (23,567 comments) says:

    I agree with Wayne91, the media are guilty of gross over egging. It started before the meeting, there were daily questions about when Key would meet Banks, leading up to the event.

    After the recording the Herald and TV3 (in particular) reported out of all proportion to what happened and what was said. For a week or more afterwards TV3 would start the day in Firstline saying things like “the pressure is building on Key to release the recording”. They were trying to pressure him into doing it. He called their disgraceful bluff – after all he knew there was bugger all in the conversation.

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  51. Paulus (2,627 comments) says:

    ITS NOT THE BLOODY TAPES CONTENTS _ ITS THE UNAUTHORISED TAPING OF IT AND AMBROSE”S SELLING IT TO TV3

    That is unacceptable – not what is in it.

    Did I hear this morning that Winston has admitted releasing it, and was looking forward to going to Court over this ?
    It can only be assumed that Gower & Co “inadvertently” passed this to Winston.
    There were/are a number of copies within TV3 still I expect, and now others.

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  52. pclarebu (2 comments) says:

    Yes Winston Peters probably did well out of this – but in the end he is irrelevant – he wasn’t going to go into any coalition anyway. He just provided a non-labour place for national supporters who didn’t like the path National were taking. The media were just begging for a scandal to knock National with and they were given it. – Bit naughty really – further they were given a reminder that freedom of the press is not absolute in terms of ignoring the law. We all believe in freedom of the press but we also believe in a persons right to privacy – the media world wide have been getting a little confused on this point lately and though this was nowhere near the serious mistake they have made in other countries in certain specific cases (not general), it is worth giving them a little reminder on occasion. The Herald took the right approach – they asked for permission and though they were a little tee’d off with the negative answer they did toe the line more or less – others did not do so. Some say Key was wrong to test the legal point – in the context of the wider story I think it was worth making the point – of course labour was the big looser as they lost 25% of the campaign time with it effectively being constrained by the world cup. I know some people will remain upset about this but I think for most New Zealanders we knew it was trivial, we knew people were being played and in an election people play people on many fronts. Most New Zealanders just ignored it and just waited until it was over. This was quite clear in the general feed back – as it was portrayed on the various communication channels. The current release shows that we did not miss any serious issue, that may have been compelling to us making different decisions than we did on election day – whatever those individual decisions were.

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