General Debate 14 February 2012

February 14th, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Peter (1,576 comments) says:

    Global warming scam going cold in Germany

    http://notrickszone.com/2012/02/06/body-blow-to-german-global-warming-movement-major-media-outlets-unload-on-co2-lies/

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  2. Scott Chris (5,868 comments) says:

    Obama Has Romney By The Balls:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/14/us/politics/obama-budget-raises-taxes-on-the-rich-to-spend-on-jobs.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&src=igw

    He’s proposing that dividends be taxed as ordinary income rather than 15% in 2013 – *If* Obama is still president and he has majorities in the house and senate. And Romney will find this policy very hard to attack because it would look like self interest if he does.

    Ha! American politics. Always entertaining.

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  3. hmmokrightitis (1,506 comments) says:

    @Peter…

    Amazing – and I imagine the vitriol from the GW freaks will start very very soon. Given the latest NASA findings that shows the earth has not warmed now for 10 years, where to from here for the alarmist morons?

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  4. Manolo (13,298 comments) says:

    *If* Obama is still president and he has majorities in the house and senate.

    A very big “if”. The Messiah is likely to lose both, the Senate and the House of Representatives, in November this year.

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  5. Scott Chris (5,868 comments) says:

    LoL, always makes me laugh how willing deniers are to believe any scrap of unsubstantiated rubbish that emerges in spite of the solid evidence to the contrary.

    Bild is a Tabloid with ‘titties on page 3′. But I guess that makes it a world authority to some:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild

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  6. flipper (3,524 comments) says:

    @Peter
    And now that they have a really “cold”: snap, all those “nasty” nuclear powerplants are coming back on line.

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  7. AlphaKiwi (686 comments) says:

    @ Scott Chris

    I bet NASA don’t have titties on page 3 of their reports.

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  8. Nookin (3,031 comments) says:

    I wonder if this means that there is now no prospect at all of an All Black, high-profile businessmen or other ego-inflated person getting name suppression. Replace “junior practitioner” with “club player”; “cleaner” or “sickness beneficiary” and then tried to rationalise some of the orders that have been made in recent times.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6412090/Lawyer-Barry-Hart-faces-misconduct-charges

    “In a High Court ruling rejecting Hart’s bid for name suppression last year, Justice Toogood said Hart’s claim of having a high-profile did not help his cause.

    ”He is not entitled to be treated any differently, on that account, from a junior practitioner who has no public profile.” “

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  9. flipper (3,524 comments) says:

    German common sense (at last!):

    “Body Blow To German Global Warming Movement! Major Media Outlets Unload On “CO2 Lies!”

    By P Gosselin on 6. February 2012

    Page 2 story in Bild today! The first of a series.
    “THE CO2 LIES … pure fear-mongering … should we blindly trust the experts?”

    That’s what Germany’s leading daily Bild (see photo) wrote in its print and online editions today, on the very day that renowned publisher Hoffmann & Campe officially released a skeptic book – one written by a prominent socialist and environmental figure.

    This is huge. More than I ever could have possibly imagined. And more is coming in the days ahead! The Bild piece was just the first of a series.

    Mark this as the date that Germany’s global warming movement took a massive body blow.

    Today, not one, but two of Germany’s most widely read news media published comprehensive skeptical climate science articles in their print and online editions, coinciding with the release of a major climate skeptical book, Die kalte Sonne (The Cold Sun).

    Germany has now plunged into raucus discord on the heated topic of climate change

    What has set it all off? One of the fathers of Germany’s modern green movement, Professor Dr. Fritz Vahrenholt, a social democrat and green activist, decided to author a climate science skeptical book together with geologist/paleontologist Dr. Sebastian Lüning. Vahrenholt’s skepticism started when he was asked to review an IPCC report on renewable energy. He found hundreds of errors. When he pointed them out, IPCC officials simply brushed them aside. Stunned, he asked himself, “Is this the way they approached the climate assessment reports?”

    Vahrenholt decided to do some digging. His colleague Dr. Lüning also gave him a copy of Andrew Montford’s The Hockey Stick Illusion. He was horrified by the sloppiness and deception he found. Persuaded by Hoffmann & Campe, he and Lüning decided to write the book. Die kalte Sonne cites 800 sources and has over 80 charts and figures. It examines and summarizes the latest science.

    Conclusion: climate catastrophe is called off

    The science was hyped. The book started hitting the bookshops today and has already hit no. 1 on the Amazon.de list for environment books. Indications show that it will climb very high in the overall bestseller charts. It’s published by a renowned publishing house and is now sending shock waves through the German climate science establishment. The first printing will produce 20,000 copies. I expect they will sell out rather quickly.

    Today Germany’s national tabloid Bild (which has a whopping circulation of 16 million) devoted half of page 2 on an article called:

    THE CO2 LIE
    Renowned team of scientists claim the climate catastrophe is fear-mongering by politics“

    The widely read Bild will follow with the rest of the series in the days ahead. In part I today Bild presents “What the IPCC of the UN doesn’t tell you.” Bild asks “what if the IPCC is wrong? Can we really blindly trust these experts? Are they really independent?”

    Bild then writes:

    The phenomenal prognoses of heat from the IPCC are pure fear-mongering.”

    The Bild series is sure to cause radical environmentalists to seethe and lash out. Expect an all-out assault in the days and weeks ahead. Already the reaction from activists has been swift and virulent – though they have yet to read the book.

    They never wanted the debate – and now the dam has broken

    And the floods of skepticism are sweeping over the country. Worse, Germany’s flagship weekly news magazine Der Spiegel today also featured a 4-page exclusive interview with Vahrenholt, where he repeated that the IPCC has ignored a large part of climate science and that IPCC scientists exaggerated the impact of CO2 on climate. Vahrenholt said that by extending the known natural cycles of the past into the future, and taking CO2′s real impact into effect, we should expect a few tenths of a degree of cooling.

    At a press conference today in Berlin, Vahrenholt, Lüning and publisher Hoffmann & Campe introduced the book and answered reporters’ questions. When asked why Hoffmann & Campe decided to publish “such a book”, the spokesman simply answered that the time is right – and there’s a real audience for the book. Even the weather timing was right! Germany is now experiencing it’s worst cold snap in 26 years. That makes it hard to deny lack of warming.

    It needs to be pointed out Vahrenholt and Lüning are not skeptics; they are lukewarmers who have not been able to find any evidence of a coming climate catastrophe. They believe that man should switch to renewables, but do so in a rational manner: “Work fast, but don’t hurry …..”

    But one assumes that Chrissie the Wussie believes that he/she knows better

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  10. Murray (8,838 comments) says:

    NASA has zero G titties.

    Kiwiblog just has this zero brain tit Fail Scott the Faithful Believer. No evidence needed.

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  11. Richard29 (377 comments) says:

    What’s the betting that DPF elects not to comment on this particular news item…

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10785310

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  12. Peter (1,576 comments) says:

    Bild is a Tabloid with ‘titties on page 3′. But I guess that makes it a world authority to some:

    You miss the point. The point is the believers are losing the popular vote. Once the people are no longer scared by the story, they’re unlikely to pay for it, are they?

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  13. hmmokrightitis (1,506 comments) says:

    Why am I surprised Scott – playing the man not the ball yet again. It matters not a jot that it was Bild, could have been Murdochs Sun, they are merely highlighting the findings of a Green Socialist. Even they are now realising the charade cannot be continued.

    By all means lets go clean energy, but we dont need the incessant wailing and sky is falling shit. Battle over, and soon the war. Youve lost.

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  14. Keeping Stock (10,085 comments) says:

    @ Richard29 – why should he? If you want to further pillory the person in question, start your own blog and put in the time and effort that DPF does for unappreciative dicks like yourself.

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  15. Pete George (22,713 comments) says:

    Given the latest NASA findings that shows the earth has not warmed now for 10 years, where to from here for the alarmist morons?

    I guess scientists and NASA will continue to monitor climate and look for more indicators of what is happening and why.

    Why is this one NASA report supposedly the gospel when others that don’t fit the preachings of one side or the other are dissed?

    If this particular report is accurate (and many others aren’t) the earth has generally been in a warming trend since the Little Ice Age it has never been a linear increase. A potential decade or more long pause should hardly be a surprise. It’s quite feasible a minor cooling cycle is holding the trend level for a while, once that cycle is over the warming trend could continue. Or not.

    FHM

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  16. adze (1,855 comments) says:

    That’s a bit harsh KS; I have nothing against David G but it is noteworthy.

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  17. Pete George (22,713 comments) says:

    Or Richard29 could actually raise the issue here directly and express his own opinion rather than expect DPF to do everything for him.

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  18. labrator (1,742 comments) says:

    NZHerald counting fail

    It’s the third time Garret has been convicted… [tonga,] … discharged without conviction… [, drink driving]

    I’d count that as one.

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  19. immigant (950 comments) says:

    Great another Global warming GD hijack.

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  20. Puzzled in Ekatahuna (338 comments) says:

    Richard29
    It is the third time Garrett – ACT’s former law and order spokesman who championed the three strikes law – has been convicted of breaking the law.
    He has a previous conviction for assault in Tonga in 2002 and was discharged without conviction three years later for stealing the identity of a dead child to obtain a passport.

    OK, three offences, but apparently not three convictions.

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  21. Nookin (3,031 comments) says:

    Of course, there is always the distinct possibility that Richard29 is simply a troll with no intention of contributing to the debate and who gets his jollyies by making sarcastic comments. He and Ross may well be related.

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  22. fatnuts (164 comments) says:

    Come on Scott, you denigrate ‘unsubstantiated rubbish’ then link to wikipedia? Really?

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  23. Nookin (3,031 comments) says:

    jollies, dammit. Edit system is too unforgiving

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  24. calendar girl (1,172 comments) says:

    Same old Scott Chris, attacking the messenger. He’s not interested in views being expressed in the book – which he will never bother to read by the way (in translation, of course). He’s comfortable in his closed mind.

    SC is quite entitled to believe what he wants, it’s a free world. But don’t let us be fooled that he’s ever prepared to engage in debate. He knows it all.

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  25. Lance (2,437 comments) says:

    Oh goody
    Two sides on the GW debate each with their own religious beliefs hammering out that black is white; now for the FUCKING 10,000th time.
    This is getting old guys!

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  26. Keeping Stock (10,085 comments) says:

    Quite so Nookin (9.16am); hence my less-than-Valentine’s-Day sentiment in my response!

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  27. fatnuts (164 comments) says:

    Don’t knock it. Probably accounts for half kiwiblogs traffic.

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  28. Longknives (4,384 comments) says:

    To get away from Global bloody Warming for a minute-
    A touching Valentines Day story ….
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/6413484/Murder-trial-over-2003-honeymoon-diving-death

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  29. Longknives (4,384 comments) says:

    You got a lady and you want her gone…
    But you ain’t got the guts…
    She keeps nagging at you night and day…
    Enough to drive you nuts….

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  30. RightNow (6,638 comments) says:

    Richard29, you should form a group with Robert Guyton.

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  31. RightNow (6,638 comments) says:

    Put March 14th in your wife’s calendar now.
    http://www.steakandbjday.com/

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  32. Hair Removal Specialist (74 comments) says:

    Neighbours of a matamata shop chase robbers who end up being caught. See article:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10785407

    Police are quoted as “Mr McGurk said police were pleased to have a high level of support from locals but he urged people not to place themselves at risk.”

    My opinion is that if we have a society full of people who are not prepared to do this, it would be a pretty crappy society. People should be urged to help, or at least not discouraged/given an excuse not to help. Little shitmongers like those involved in this case do not deserve to be left alone to do their crimes.

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  33. backster (2,067 comments) says:

    Richard 29…..That was a rather underhand and vindictive article notable for the fact that the reporter or author was not named.

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  34. Richard29 (377 comments) says:

    adze is correct.

    All I’m saying is that DPF runs a political blog. He posts umpteen times a day on a range of political topics. He’s dedicated many many posts to the likes of Phillip Field and that that ginger guy from Labour (can’t remember the name at the moment) including multiple posts after they had left parliament.

    This is a guy who was justice spokesperson for the governments coalition partner and drove the implementation of a three strikes law and he has now been in front of the courts on his third criminal charge (as people have said above it’s his second conviction). There is a certain hypocrisy in that.

    I’m not interested in punishing Garrett – he has plead guilty and is taking the punishment the courts have ordered for him.

    All I am saying is that if this were a Labour Green or NZ first MP it is inconceivable that DPF would not post on it. The reason I think this is notable is that this blog generally makes a pretence of balance (and in some respects succeeds in that) but in this case he is almost certain to remain silent.

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  35. RightNow (6,638 comments) says:

    dick, he’s not an MP.

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  36. Griff (6,690 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/6412125/Tuhoe-show-support-for-Urewera-four
    Tame Iti said he was ready to ”debate the issues”.
    He likened the case against the group to colonial oppression of Tuhoe in the 1860s and said he did not know if he would get a fair trial.

    True little boy when you attempt to take over a piece of New Zealand or use armed force to further your tribe the New Zealand government is going to jump on you.

    Fair for New Zealand or fair for your tribe New Zealands law is for all not just Tuhoe

    The attempt to construct a paramilitary force along tribal lines in the burnt penis was well known. I was told about it prior to the raids by the partner of a lady in one of the heralds photos.

    The Tuhoe all know what was going on.

    The protest are of the level of the gentleman convected of ACC fraud recently cry victimization to cover up illegal activity

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  37. RightNow (6,638 comments) says:

    Man dies in freak accident reversing out of his garage. Not wearing a seatbelt blamed as primary cause. I would have thought opening his door while driving was the primary cause:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6414034/Freak-tragic-garage-accident-killed-man

    “An analysis of the crash showed Skinner had opened his driver’s door as he reversed.

    The door became entangled with a shelving unit forcing the car to slide sideways and hit another parked car in the garage.

    When Skinner tried to regain control of his car he was partially ejected sideways from the driver’s seat and that side of the car collided with the garage entrance wall, she said.

    The technician became trapped and was crushed between the garage wall and his car, the coroner’s report said.

    Johnson found the primary cause of Skinner’s fatal crush injuries was him not wearing a seatbelt.

    If he had been wearing a seatbelt it was highly likely he would not have been ejected from the car, therefore not been trapped and crushed when the car crashed, the coroner said.”

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  38. RightNow (6,638 comments) says:

    IPCC, take a bow!
    http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2012/02/ipcc-take-a-bow

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  39. Manolo (13,298 comments) says:

    Double down with taxpayer’s money: http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/13/obama-hikes-subsidy-to-wealthy-electric-car-buyers/

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  40. RightNow (6,638 comments) says:

    In related news Manolo, University of Tennessee Researchers Find China’s Pollution Related to E-Cars May Be More Harmful than Gasoline Cars’
    http://www.utk.edu/tntoday/2012/02/13/researchers-find-ecar-emissions-harmful/

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  41. flipper (3,524 comments) says:

    RighgtNow (and Coroner)

    The Transport Regulations providng for the wearing of seat belts make specific exception (belt not required) when reversing.

    Wonder if the coroner ALWAYS wears her seat belt when reversing ! Silly.

    But what else can be expected in 2012.

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  42. iMP (2,231 comments) says:

    It’s great the Police are finally getting the chance to ‘have their say’ by presenting their evidence for the Urewera accusation. They have been bound by silence, so that idiots like Minto have had the stage to make all sorts of erroneous falsehoods and accusation against the Police and others without the ability to put their side.

    If the Police case was a debacle, that will come out; but I suspect not. There was something very smelly in Urewera Denmark. This will be quite an eye opener for NZ; and we should not treat it lightly or as irrelevant, after the actions of one militarised disaffectionte in Norway.

    And is anyone says “colonial oppression” I will puke.

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  43. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Good posts Richard 29.

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  44. kowtow (7,579 comments) says:

    With Bild at least the tits are where they belong ,on page 3(if that is the case}

    In the alarmist left wing papers the tits are all in the board room making up the lying editorial policy.

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  45. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    RN

    Your obsession is showing. You need to get a life.

    Face facts: the governments of the world have delayed any concerted action on climate change for a decade or more. The delay is not because of any questions about the science, it’s about political will and our democracies have now shown the ultimate flaw in what was purported to be the ultimate system of government.

    The flaw? It’s the elections, stupid!.

    You should be marshalling your forces towards getting the government to drop our pathetic ETS scheme – the Aussies are going to can theirs next year, or earlier, when Abbott becomes PM – and this will be a very good thing for the climate eventually because when the shit really does start to hit the fan governments won’t have Cap and Trade/ETS to hide behind – everyone will know it’s too late for that!

    But I will tell you now, the price we may pay will be a power grab by extreme right-wing authoritarians, funded by the 0.01%, justified by TINA, the whore for every purpose (as Greeks are finding out).

    Unless the revolution arrives.

    Now, where is my trusty Lee Enfield 303? I vaguely remember loaning it to a Maori mate. I wonder if I can get it back?

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  46. Griff (6,690 comments) says:

    Funny how they all jump out of the wood work to attack the Alarmists when they get sick of the debate
    Next time jump on those with the original post like

    Peter (659) Says:
    February 14th, 2012 at 8:08 am
    Global warming scam going cold in Germany
    First post on GD today!

    PS the titties are on page one under the fold
    I like titties

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  47. RightNow (6,638 comments) says:

    Yeah whatever Luc. To be honest I just post this stuff for shits and giggles. I’m happy just knowing that carbon prices are on the floor and there’s no chance of multi-trillion dollar carbon exchanges getting any traction.

    I have nothing to personally complain about, I’m happy with the way this whole AGW thing is fizzling out, but I still like arguing.

    And really, what’s the difference between a power grab by extreme right wing authoritarians and a power grab by extreme left wing authoritarians?

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  48. adze (1,855 comments) says:

    If you strive for armed revolution in a democracy, democracy is obviously not what you hope to achieve.

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  49. RightNow (6,638 comments) says:

    Griff, here’s three things I like: Frank Zappa, Titties and Beer

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  50. Pete George (22,713 comments) says:

    Duncan Garner demands some answers. Generally his blog asks some reasonable questions. Come clean on the public service cuts Mr Key

    But…

    … Key’s also talking about Smartphones replacing people. How many times have we heard that computers will replace people?

    It’s Treasury speak from the 80s. But has it’s time come? Can robots really replace people?

    Duncan could look around the company he works for and ask who does most of the work on overnight broadcasts, for example.

    I wonder how many robot MPs would be proportional enough?

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  51. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Lance (1,144) Says:
    February 14th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    Oh goody
    Two sides on the GW debate each with their own religious beliefs hammering out that black is white; now for the FUCKING 10,000th time.
    This is getting old guys!

    or rather
    This is getting COLD guys.

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  52. Griff (6,690 comments) says:

    Rightnow

    http://sciblogs.co.nz/hot-topic/2012/02/07/doonesbury-on-denial/

    funny huh

    :???:

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  53. RightNow (6,638 comments) says:

    Griff, Viking2 was funnier: “This is getting COLD guys.”

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  54. Griff (6,690 comments) says:

    Yes one point to v2

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  55. Pete George (22,713 comments) says:

    V2 – sounds more heated to me.

    But to cool things down we could make this the last post on how the earth is rapidly heating due to lazy extravagant people driving around in gas guzzlers and wimps using their heat pumps too much both summer and winter – it doesn’t take much more effort than pushing a button to put a jesrey on or take it off you know.

    There’s no point in getting into a tiz about who’s behind the conspiracy to fund anyone who’s willing to stick their heads in the sand as they rattle out nays on their keyboards while conglomerate multinational companies suppress highly efficient new energy technologies so they can spin out their oil profits for as long as possible.

    So let’s just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

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  56. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    RN

    Left wing never has any money!

    AGW is not fizzling out. In fact, it’s fizzing along unabated and believe it or not, I don’t even think the skeptics have much to do with the inaction. It’s all politics, especially as regards the National Interest of the US.

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  57. Scott Chris (5,868 comments) says:

    RightNow says:- “what’s the difference between a power grab by extreme right wing authoritarians and a power grab by extreme left wing authoritarians”

    The lefties start out with the common man’s interests at heart but they usually become corrupted.

    The righties start out with their own interests at heart, and remain faithful to that aim.

    At least righties are morally consistent I suppose.

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  58. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Now then, I’ve been looking for a comment about those scumbag Syrian rebels hiding in civilian areas and bringing said civilians under fire from the legitimate government attempting merely to restore order and prevent armed insurrection.

    No?

    How about dissing the risible high dudgeon of the Israeli government when adversaries engage in the time honoured game of tit for tat, after said government makes a point of happily bragging about its own terrorist successes?

    Did I hear William Hague expressing how he was “shocked and appalled” at the murder of Iranian civilian nuclear scientists?

    No?

    I guess I need re-education…

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  59. Scott Chris (5,868 comments) says:

    Always the deniers who restart the AGW debate…

    Don’t deny it! :mrgreen:

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  60. Paulus (2,485 comments) says:

    Changing the subject ,I see that the Herald have taken Misery Misa back on on Monday.
    I thought they had more balls but no.
    And Tuesday, that failed one time UK Labour MP is pontificating again.
    Gaw’d spare us from their misery.

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  61. MikeMan (171 comments) says:

    $1bn for new IRD system.

    So how does a small country spend that much on a new system for collecting taxes?

    What is the ROI on $1bn?

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  62. RightNow (6,638 comments) says:

    Wonder what constitutes the ‘common man’? What Pol Pot decided? What the Labour Party of NZ decides? An income range? A level of wealth?
    What’s the definition?

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  63. Griff (6,690 comments) says:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2012/feb/08/fox-news-lord-monckton-australia
    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3821618.html
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERFYxys71gE
    http://www.readfearn.com/

    “And it seems to me that devoting some time and effort to encouraging those we know who are super rich to invest in perhaps even establishing a new satellite TV channel – it’s not an expensive thing and then get a few Jo Novas and Andrew Bolts to go on and do the commentating every day but keep the news straight, fair and balanced, as they do on Fox, that would break through and give to Australia, as it has for America, a proper dose of free market thinking”…

    “The mining industry in Australia already wields incredible power, made obvious following the success of campaigns to water down the resource tax and carbon price, so we’re fighting to protect our media and stay this growing influence. We’re concerned about what’s motivating this buy-up of Australian media and what the mining industry might expect in return for their investment. With mining bosses in charge, how much frank and fearless investigation will our journalist be allowed to pursue?”

    Ignore AGW
    These links are interesting

    ON A LIGHTER NOTE
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2011/oct/21/lord-monckton-sacha-baron-cohen

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  64. RightNow (6,638 comments) says:

    Griff – I wonder what then to make of Graeme Wood funding The Global Mail http://www.theglobalmail.org/

    A media outlet funded by a lefty, consisting of articles by lefties. From a lefty point of view, not a problem. But if a righty funds a media outlet with articles by righties then that’s a no-no?

    I say let media outlets be funded by whoever has the money, be written by whoever the owners choose to hire, and let the readers decide if they want to read it.

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  65. fatnuts (164 comments) says:

    Luc, the US have spent 30bn on AGW ‘research’. And it is fizzling out, but the ‘researchers’ will go down kicking and screaming..

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  66. Griff (6,690 comments) says:

    STRAW MAN

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  67. RightNow (6,638 comments) says:

    TIN MAN

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  68. Griff (6,690 comments) says:

    Right now www is not media for the masses.
    Owning print and tv media has no comparison in self published.org
    They are talking about purchasing and controlling media with as great an impact in New Zealand as sky
    Control of the sheep

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  69. wat dabney (3,655 comments) says:

    The lefties start out with the common man’s interests at heart but they usually become corrupted.

    More correctly, the left starts out with the conceit that they know what is best for everyone else, to the extent that they actually have a moral duty to strip us of our freedoms and coercively force us to comply with their “enlightened” ideals.

    The right, by contrast, will allow everyone to pursue their own happiness according to their own lights; where or not we happen to agree with them.

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  70. wat dabney (3,655 comments) says:

    Control of the sheep

    That’s a lefty talking right there. It’s this contempt for everyone else which implies to the lefty that we are all so stupid that he must take away our freedoms for our own good and tell us what to do.

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  71. RightNow (6,638 comments) says:

    Griff – controlling the media? You’ve created a straw man yourself.

    Think about this – does the existence of Fox News count as controlling the media? Nobody has to watch it.
    Does the existence of TV3 count as controlling the media? Nobody has to watch it.
    Does the existence of Radio NZ count as controlling the media? Nobody has to listen to it.

    Ownership is not the same as readership.

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  72. Griff (6,690 comments) says:

    wat dabney
    Funny that I am “right wing capitalist liberal” then

    Left Right, Capitalist Communist, Liberal Conservative.

    http://www.psywarrior.com/Goebbels.html

    14. Propaganda must label events and people with distinctive phrases or slogans.

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  73. RightNow (6,638 comments) says:

    “Mark Lynas, a campaigner who has been a member of action groups on GM foods and climate change, said the environmental lobby was losing the battle for public opinion on climate change because it had made too many apocalyptic prophecies and exaggerated claims.”

    Gee, whodathunkit? It’s like labelling events and people with distinctive phrases or slogans.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/8098812/Leading-environmental-campaigners-support-nuclear-and-GM.html

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  74. Griff (6,690 comments) says:

    “Nobody has to watch it.”

    Huh they are buying into existing media with the explicit intention of directly manipulating public opinion
    I have no problem with capitalism
    Capitalism if controlled not by the market but public opinion and propaganda only benefits those in control
    Its no longer capitalism its a Oligarchy – Rule by a small group of people who share similar interests
    The super rich whose major interest is getting richer

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  75. Other_Andy (2,261 comments) says:

    Monty Python was right!

    An important message for Griff, Scott et al.
    Loud and clear at 0.35-0.39…..

    The rest is very educational as well.

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  76. Griff (6,690 comments) says:

    GM foods and climate change apocalyptic prophecies and exaggerated claims
    No need to swear Its just a touch poetic though

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  77. RightNow (6,638 comments) says:

    Griff- you’re arguing against fair competition.

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  78. RightNow (6,638 comments) says:

    In fact, I think you’re arguing against freedom of speech.

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  79. Griff (6,690 comments) says:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competition_law

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  80. RightNow (6,638 comments) says:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech

    You don’t like what they’ve got to say, but you’ll still defend their right to say it won’t you Griff?

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  81. Griff (6,690 comments) says:

    Ok right now its totally ok to allow the super rich to control MSM to their benefit That is going to encourage the freedom of the press and enable a well informed population to act for the benefit of the …..0.000,000,01%.

    USA politics is bad enough from a distance now the fuckers are trying to export it world wide.

    Regan or G W Bush leading the free world?
    Personally I would not trust either with feeding the goldfish.

    PS still waiting for the geeks are the super rich argument.

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  82. RightNow (6,638 comments) says:

    It’s totally ok to allow anyone to operate a media outlet in countries like Australia, Griff, regardless of how much money they have and what their message is. As long as they follow the rules, what’s the problem? That people might prefer to listen to what they have to say?

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  83. Griff (6,690 comments) says:

    Actually I am not arguing with you I am just using you to put out something that is quite interesting hope fully a few read and considered my original post

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/02/general_debate_14_february_2012.html#comment-932961

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  84. RightNow (6,638 comments) says:

    It’s not that new Griff, Andrew Bolt has been highlighting the hypocrisy of the left on this subject for quite a while.
    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/

    Latest post … “ABC takes money to turn children into warmists”

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  85. Griff (6,690 comments) says:

    Left Right Polarization again?

    The right as defined by the views of The small minority of super rich?

    I repeat I have no problem with capitalism
    Capitalism if controlled not by the market but public opinion and propaganda only benefits those in control
    Its no longer capitalism its a Oligarchy.

    ps Any way I really think that once a topic has gone around in circles a couple of times it is time to clear the pages of GD on this for a while

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  86. Scott Chris (5,868 comments) says:

    Instigators of AGW debates in the last 7 days. All skeptics:

    Peter (659) Says:
    February 14th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    fatnuts (147) Says:
    February 13th, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    Viking2 (6,126) Says: ……………………..(who whinged today about AGW arguments…Slater’s pet troll maybe?)
    February 12th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    hj (2,012) Says:
    February 11th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    RightNow (3,936) Says:
    February 10th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    hj (2,012) Says:
    February 9th, 2012 at 8:58 am

    RightNow (3,937) Says:
    February 8th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

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  87. RightNow (6,638 comments) says:

    Announcements in the last 7 years on kiwiblog that they’ll suck dick for money -

    Scott Chris

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  88. Griff (6,690 comments) says:

    PPS
    Interesting investment strategy
    If a significant stake is being sort in media it should drive up demand? :???:

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  89. Pete George (22,713 comments) says:

    Sonny Bill’s next opponent? The Secret Diary Of … Sonny Bill Williams

    You need to read right to the end.

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  90. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    True colours revealed at last.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/6410912/Lawyer-Barry-Hart-loses-name-supression

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  91. Manolo (13,298 comments) says:

    Key feeling unloved? How ungrateful!
    http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8419044/john-key-brushes-off-maori-poll

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  92. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Here is another one.

    Earning millions legitiimately, but when those greed glands start pumping…………

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/6416776/Auckland-real-estate-agent-fined-suspended

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  93. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Course, after Marnie pays the huge $15,000 penalty, you can bet she laughed and danced all the way
    to the bank.

    Watch for Barry Hart to be smacked real hard with the old wet bus ticket.

    Was it Gordon Gecko who said, ‘Greed is good.’

    The little people come last.

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  94. Scott Chris (5,868 comments) says:

    RightNow says:- “7 years on kiwiblog that they’ll suck dick for money”

    Yup. It comes down to a couple of things really. Honesty and objectivity. You can never be objective about anything if you can’t overcome your social conditioning. But that concept appears to be beyond your mental capacity.

    Also I know you’re a fucking hypocrite. You’d have your price.

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  95. tom hunter (4,365 comments) says:

    For those who like watching bonfires:

    Moody’s just went apeshit on Europe.

    In other news, we wouldn’t want to be the company that insured Moody’s Milan offices.

    Austria, France, Italy ….

    Oh – and United Kingdom: outlook on Aaa rating changed to negative

    When you’re already at Aaa and still going negative it’s not encouraging.

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  96. RightNow (6,638 comments) says:

    Feeble projection attempt scotty. I’m faithful to my wife.

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  97. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    i forget who it was that gave that very sage advice to all the poor people,

    “Get rich.”

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  98. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    And there goes that prince of principle Scott Chris again.

    Calling someone a ‘fucking hypocrite’

    Jeez.

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  99. Scott Chris (5,868 comments) says:

    “I’m faithful to my wife”

    You still don’t get it do you? It doesn’t mean anything. You’d only be betraying your wife if it did mean something.

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  100. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Hey Scott,
    and you do get it ?

    Only in your mind.
    Jeez mate, pathetic.

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  101. tom hunter (4,365 comments) says:

    Ah – I missed the earlier headline:

    Frieden [Luxembourg Finance Minister], who yesterday also met with U.S. Treasury Department officials, called on the IMF’s largest shareholder to help strengthen the institution and make it part of a firewall to quell the European debt crisis.

    I rather liked ZeroHedge’s take on this:

    Translation: Hey America, we’ve done all we can, now it’s your turn to sustain the Ponzi. Because if we go, you go.

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  102. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Why do the morons on either side of the global warming/climate change argument want
    to beat themselves to death trying to argue the hind leg off a donkey,
    or, how many faries can sit on the head of a pin ?

    These drongs must know that they will never convince the other side.

    Perhaps Scott Chris could give us some insight into what he gets out of it for instance ?

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  103. tom hunter (4,365 comments) says:

    AGW?

    I must admit that I’ve participated in more than a few of those arguments over the years – but really people, the (AGFC) Anthropogenic Global Financial Crisis, is where the discussion is now.

    In fact, in one respect, I’m quite thankful to all the left-wing social-welfare systems and Euro-capitalism that has led to this point. Were we still fat and happy money-wise, the insanity of “addressing” AGW would still be raging away.

    Go Greece!

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  104. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Now your talking tom hunter.

    Does any one here have an idea as to what percentage of the potential working force of New Zealand
    is employed by government, local bodies, and on social welfare ?
    Then we could compare it to Greece.

    That is a figure that may give some true insight into where we do actually stand.

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  105. plebe (271 comments) says:

    I love the way john boy key is killing the public service , it means we will now have a highly educated dole bludger to abuse on kiwi blog

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  106. Griff (6,690 comments) says:

    little boy and his playmates did not look to happy on tv1

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  107. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    plebe
    now i know i’m thick but,
    isn’t it the size of, and the entitlements owed, to the, ‘public service’ that is the main thing fucking the European
    countries that are going down the shithole before your very eyes.

    Didn’t you pick that up plebe ?

    Now if that is incorrect, you will be able to tell me where i got that wrong. Right plebe.
    Go for it.

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  108. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    2008 OECD figures and comments, bereal.

    With expenditures of just over 40% of GDP in 2008, New Zealand is one of the smaller governments in the OECD area.

    cf

    Consistent budget deficits over the past decade culminated in an unprecedented budget deficit of 15.4% of GDP in 2009 when expenditures rose to over 53% …of GDP.

    It does make one wonder what all the fuss is about when we already have tightly controlled government spending. I’ve no objection to continued vigilance but out’s a bit silly getting sucked into the Key/English propaganda when their much vaunted welfare reforms, for example, will affect only a few hundreds of beneficiaries – the ones least able to fight back of course, and mainly women, but, hey, victimisation is fun!

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  109. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    bereal, I’ll think you will find it is the social spending that has racked up deficits rather than the size of the public service, per se.

    And NZ is well below the OECD average on that score, too.

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  110. reid (15,904 comments) says:

    More on the Baltic Dry and why you should be looking at it.

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/why-is-global-shipping-slowing-down-so-dramatically

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  111. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Maori doubtful of Key’s leadership
    KATE CHAPMAN
    Last updated 16:24 14/02/2012

    Most Maori don’t think Prime Minister John Key provides good leadership on Maori issues and they’re not sure about Labour leader David Shearer, a new poll shows.

    The Te Karere DigiPoll out today questioned 1000 Maori voters in January.

    Of those, 70 per cent said Key did not provide good leadership on Maori issues, 17 per cent said he did, and 13 per cent did not know.

    Of course they didn’t ask us white Mfo’s what we think of his leadership oun our issues.

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  112. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    In 2006 (Why is the data so old?) government employed 9.8% of the labour force (down slightly from 2000, despite the national propaganda going into the 2009 election) when the OECD average was 15%.

    Greece was only 7.9% at that time, and was on a program me to reduce even that.

    And the New Zealand government then contracted out 50% of its functions, compared to the OECD average of 43%.

    it’s amazing how stats can interfere with the most well-intentioned, albeit misinformed, perceptions, isn’t it?

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  113. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    V2

    I wasn’t aware that JK shows good leadership on any issue!

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  114. Other_Andy (2,261 comments) says:

    @Tom

    Been following this ‘trainwreck in slow-motion’ for several months now. I think the ‘PIGS’ will go down, the only question is when.
    Greece defaulting will trigger another crisis, it will be like dominos falling down. The ‘Northern Euros’ trying to salvage the ‘PIGS’ will trigger a lot of resentment and I don’t think it will make a difference anyway.

    “AGW? I must admit that I’ve participated in more than a few of those arguments over the years – but really people, the (AGFC) Anthropogenic Global Financial Crisis, is where the discussion is now.”

    AGW is part of the AGFC debate. ‘Green’ policies (Crony capitalism) has done a lot of damage. Spain has almost bankrupted itself with their focus on renewables and Britain is on its way (Crazy windmill scheme), showing (yet) no sign of stopping. Obama’s ongoing anti coal\oil and gas policies and his billions of dollars of loans for failing ‘Green Energy’ companies (His campaign contributors) are damaging the US economy.

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  115. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    usually i’ts against my better judgement to knock my head into a brick wall Luc.
    but as your mate plebe is not up to fuck all, try this.
    i think you missed the point.

    Government spending is not the issue. What it spends on is.

    One factor that is an issue is the level of non productive persons who work in the ever expanding beauracracy
    ( see Helen Clarks administration )
    who produce nothing of tangible value and who the real workers have to support now and more importantly in the future.

    And,,, those workers can never hope to aspire to the benefits that will be paid to those drones.( take Bill Englishs’ brother
    for example)

    It will just get worser and worser if nothing is done till your sprogs will need to pay so much tax to
    support those drones that the whole pack of cards comes down.

    Kinda like is happening in Greece.
    Help you Luc ?

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  116. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Scott Chris (3,664) Says:
    February 14th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    Instigators of AGW debates in the last 7 days. All skeptics:

    Peter (659) Says:
    February 14th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    fatnuts (147) Says:
    February 13th, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    Viking2 (6,126) Says: ……………………..(who whinged today about AGW arguments…Slater’s pet troll maybe?)
    February 12th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    Fuck you are incompetent dumb arse Scott. Don’t know Cameron and not always in agreement with him but at least he is consistently on the right side and not mired in left wing maniacal dogma like you.

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  117. Manolo (13,298 comments) says:

    Scott, you’re a believer in AGW as people from antiquity thought the Earth was flat.
    The problem is you want us to pay for your myth. I’ll refuse.

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  118. kowtow (7,579 comments) says:

    tom hunter@537

    I hoped the AGFC would focus world leaders on real issues.

    But look at how disappointing they are.Britain insists on ring fencing foreign aid while destroying it’s military At a time they are at war and the rewened threat of it from the Argie Dagos. India has even said it doesn’t want British aid and the UK response is please please we want to bankrupt our selves by giving you money we don’t have.
    The German “conservatives” are shutting down their nuclear stations and making themselves depend even more on imported energy.

    There is nothing rational about EU “leaders”.

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  119. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    One way to look at it is just to laugh.

    Viking2 scored a big point in his mind @ 6.58
    (almost a king hit, at least as close as V2 can go to a king hit) then……

    Scott Chris will take the hit, gather himself up and come back for more.

    And on and on it will go.

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  120. Scott Chris (5,868 comments) says:

    Other_Andy says:- “loans for failing ‘Green Energy’ companies (His campaign contributors)”

    Any evidence for that assertion Andy? No doubt some did, but this is a list of his major contributors:

    http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cid=N00009638

    Of more relevence to me is the fact that Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan and Citigroup are all in the top 6 of Obama’s biggest contributors. You might be interested to see what each one spends lobbying congress (amongst other interesting stats):

    http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000085
    http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000103
    http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000071

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  121. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    kowtow
    given, Brittania doesn’t rule the waves these days, but,
    HMS Dauntless rules the south atlantic.

    There is no threat from Argie Dagos.

    That one ships presence trumps anything the Dagos may have.
    And the Dagos know it.

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  122. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Ah, bereal..

    The old moving target trick.

    Goddamn, you nearly had me fooled that you were interested in facts instead of the old bog-standard penis envy Kiwibloggers have of everyday public servants.

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  123. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Fuck off Luc

    you just proved that you are not up to it.

    Now readers can see what i meant by knocking my head on a brick wall.

    Does your whole act as a nudist revolve around penis envy ?

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  124. Other_Andy (2,261 comments) says:

    @SC

    The support for Obama from Wallstreet is old news, everybody knows that.
    Executives and others connected with Wall Street firms, such as Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, Citigroup, UBS AG, JPMorgan Chase, and Morgan Stanley, poured nearly $15.8 million into his coffers.
    Goldman Sachs contributed slightly over $1 million to Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign, compared with a little over $394,600 to the 2004 Bush campaign. Citigroup gave $736,771 to Obama in 2008, compared with $320,820 to Bush in 2004. Executives and others connected with the Swiss bank UBS AG donated $539,424 to Obama’s 2008 campaign and JP Morgan Chase gave Obama’s campaign $808,799 in 2008.
    Fannie and Freddie became big contributors to the Democratic Party. The sub-prime business paid off-at least while the bubble was growing. And the Kerry, Hillary and Obama campaigns have numbered among the leading recipients of the largess of the two mortgage lenders

    The stimulus money (Trillions of dollars) also went to companies that supported and funded Obama’s campaign.
    Tesla received a loan rate of 1.6% from DOE to manufacture an all-electric car. It is owned and financed by big donors to the Democratic Party and to Barack Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign. Tesla’s principal owner is Elon Musk, the founder of PayPal.
    Elon Musk has been a generous donor to the Democratic National Committee, contributing more than $120,000 over three different election cycles and $292,250 to political campaigns, overwhelmingly to Democrats.
    Another Obama $500,000 bundler was Solyndra investor George Kaiser and his foundation.
    A company called Amyris Biotechnologies received a $24 million DOE grant to build a pilot plant to use altered yeast to turn sugar into hydrocarbons. The investors included several Obama bundlers and fundraisers. With federal money in hand, Amyris went public with an IPO the following year, raising $85 million. Kleiner Perkins, a firm that boasts Obama financier John Doerr and former vice president Al Gore as partners, found its $16 million investment was now worth $69 million.
    There are lots of others.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/obama-fundraisers-ties-green-firms-federal-cash/story?id=14592626

    Read ‘Throw Them All Out’ by Peter Schweizer.

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  125. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Just present some facts, bereal, instead of rabid-righter talking points.

    PS

    Leave those bricks alone.

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  126. Steve (4,489 comments) says:

    My head hurts, Luc is off to RIP.
    No more shit sunshine

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  127. nasska (10,606 comments) says:

    We’ve all read those cutie-pie rhymes inside Valentine’s Day cards.
    Here’s a few that “Hallmark” missed:

    Roses are red
    Violets are blue
    Valentines is a load of consumerist bullshit
    now haven’t you got some ironing to do?

    Roses are orange
    Violets are green
    This is the best acid
    I’ve ever seen

    Roses are red
    Violets are blue
    Your sister said no
    How about you?

    Roses are Red
    Violets are fine
    I’ll be the six,
    If you be the nine

    Roses are red,
    Violets are blue,
    The sinks in the kitchen,
    So why aren’t you?

    Roses are red,
    Violets are blue,
    I’m using my hand,
    But I’m thinking of you.

    Roses are awful,
    Violets are the pits,
    Lift up your shirt,
    And show us your tits.

    Roses are red, violets are blue, sugar is sweet, and so are you.
    But the roses are wilting, the violets are dead, the sugar bowl’s empty and so
    is your head.

    What inspired this amorous rhyme?
    Two parts vodka, one part lime.

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  128. Nostalgia-NZ (4,896 comments) says:

    Pardon me if anyone feels the following is in
    anyway romantic, but I don’t mind if they do.

    Rosies are red
    violets are blue
    bereal should be in the shithouse
    and so should you.

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  129. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    So China has rooted the ipads in China. Ha get the FBI onto it. They will get it sorted. What a laugh.

    Authorities seize Apple’s iPads in China after trademark dispute

    Authorities seize Apple’s iPads in China after trademark dispute
    Joe McDonald
    February 14, 2012 – 7:59AM

    ipad

    Apple’s iPad. Photo: Tomohiro Ohsumi

    BEIJING – Authorities have seized Apple iPads from retailers in a city in northern China due to a dispute with a domestic company that says it owns the iPad name, an official said Monday.

    The Chinese company said it is asking for similar action in more than 20 other cities.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/tablets/authorities-seize-apples-ipads-in-china-after-trademark-dispute-20120214-1t2pk.html#ixzz1mKziIEEG

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/tablets/authorities-seize-apples-ipads-in-china-after-trademark-dispute-20120214-1t2pk.html#ixzz1mKymYDNK

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  130. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Nostalgia-NZ (291) Says:
    February 14th, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    Pardon me if anyone feels the following is in
    anyway romantic, but I don’t mind if they do.

    Rosies are red
    violets are blue
    bereal should be in the shithouse
    and so should you.

    Nostalgia that’s not nice. I’m sure what you really meant was
    Rosies are red
    violets are blue
    bereal should be in the shithouse
    and so should Lou.

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  131. Griff (6,690 comments) says:

    Reid

    You like the Mikey mouse?

    catch this one just before the pope on the video

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/who-was-worst-dressed-at-the-grammys-and-baftas/story-fn9076o9-1226270655034

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  132. tom hunter (4,365 comments) says:

    But look at how disappointing they are …

    Indeed. But that’s the result of what the leftists set up decades ago; wonderful social welfare systems that are “third rails”. No touching – until they crash.

    Actually I see that at least one source has decided to go for my crash-the-system approach:

    “House Republican leaders said Monday they would introduce a bill extending the payroll-tax break for the rest of the year without finding spending cuts to offset the program’s cost. The proposal marks a major shift for Republicans, who previously had insisted that the costs of extending a trio of provisions expiring at the end of the month be offset with spending cuts.”

    As the article suggests, why stop there:

    Will Republicans grasp that the paradox of defeating Obama is precisely in giving him a carte blanche on all the stimulus programs he wants?

    Because if Congress approves another $200, 300 or even $400 billion in stimulus pork (the only thing better than one Solyndra? One thousand Solyndras!) the Treasury will drown in the need to raise hundreds of billions more, and will in fact hit the ceiling well in advance of the elections.

    As for the stimulus projects themselves, they will crash and burn just like all centrally planned endeavors, and actually result in a far worse outcome than if they had never been attempted. [Because] the best way to finally get back to a fiscally prudent regime? Why go to town, of course.”

    Give them what they want – and huge tax increases on the 1% too. So the left will be walking around wondering how the huge gusher of money turned into a thin trickle as everyone from Warren Buffet to Matt Damon run screaming for their Cayman Island accountants – but it will be worth it to watch the anguished screams of pain. Why get blamed for the failures when you can get the left-wing to burn down their very own institutions, using the methods they wanted. Of course one of the commentators makes a sober point:

    this is a great plan by the WSJ!!!

    It’s like letting your kids burn the house down to show them how foolish it is to play with matches. It’s all about being able to say “I told you so” when you are shivering under the overpass.

    Okay – but lessons have to be learned.

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  133. nasska (10,606 comments) says:

    Rupert Murdoch is said to be deeply touched by the messages from family and friends left on Whitney Houston’s phone.

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  134. Nostalgia-NZ (4,896 comments) says:

    Viking2 8.09

    To this point, I didn’t consider bereal being in the outhouse with Lou
    but I have no objections to the idea.
    I do hope however, that they avoid the obvious
    cliche and don’t sing ‘Lou, Lou, skip to the Lou my darling’ upon entry.
    Where ever entry might be.

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  135. nasska (10,606 comments) says:

    How to say “I Love You” in ten different languages:
    English: I Love You
    Spanish: Te Amo
    French: Je T’aime
    German: Ich Liebe Dich
    Japanese: Ai Shite Imasu
    Italian: Ti Amo
    Chinese: Wo Ai Ni
    Swedish: Jag Alskar Dig
    Lithuanian: As Tave Meliu
    New Zealand: Nice Tits! Get in the ute!

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  136. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    what, you mean ? entry in out house?

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  137. Nostalgia-NZ (4,896 comments) says:

    We’ll need bereal to explain that,
    once he leaves the nudist colony.

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  138. RightNow (6,638 comments) says:

    scotty, I didn’t expect you to get it.

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  139. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    some of this shit could be really hurtfull,
    but i know that deep down youse mean it in a loving, caring, embracefull and celibratory kind of way.

    Aroha to all.

    Happy Valentines.
    G’nite.

    (doesn’t include any muslims.)

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  140. Manolo (13,298 comments) says:

    It’s not the friendship, but the price: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/muslim-brotherhood-warns-us-aid-cut-may-affect-egypt-s-peace-treaty-israel

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  141. Manolo (13,298 comments) says:

    More from the “religion of peace”: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/14/bangkok-neighbourhood-twin-blasts

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  142. Manolo (13,298 comments) says:

    Who could trust these numbers? http://michellemalkin.com/2012/02/14/deficit-projections/

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