General Debate 22 February 2012

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Johnboy

Lord Birkenhead may, at this very moment, be jetting to Dotcoms place to offer his services, seeing how the welfare cheque is down a bit this month. 🙂
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February 22, 2012 7:16pm
Johnboy

Still the Urewera uglies are out on bail and it took more than 70 cops and 2 choppers to arrest them. 🙂
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February 22, 2012 7:21pm
cha

Better than an old ewe Johnboy, wanna share?.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/318189

NSFW
http://www.missfidget.com/2012/02/13/at-age-18-woman-finds-out-she-has-2-uteruses/
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February 22, 2012 7:23pm
Johnboy

I might have twelve inches cha but unfortunately it is in one item so I couldn’t help the lady! 🙂
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February 22, 2012 7:25pm
Pauleastbay

Young Indian chappie out on bail, murdered the girl he’d been stalking but hell a geek who made a few quid spends a month in jail because of a grand jury decision in another country!

Thats’ the whole problem with this, I really don’t care about him the person, I do care about NZ being dictated to in this way.

If people want to start on ‘ the rule of law’ thats fine but its New Zealands ‘rule of law ‘ thats should be applied not that of another country
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February 22, 2012 7:26pm
bereal

Now we have a genius like constable Pauleastbay wondering why?
Why,oh why.
Why. why ?
no wonder you never got past constable Paul.
FYI we have a exrtardition agreement with certain countries, the USA is one of them.

He may not have committed an offence against Nz statutes. But…. need i spell it out for you ?
What a fukin moron.
Bet you think Martha Stewart was innocent too.
Moron.
Thats you i was calling a moron Pauleastbay just in case you were too dumb to get it.
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February 22, 2012 7:26pm
Johnboy

Constabule Eastbay Beryl!

Hell I thought he was a QC like Lord Birkenhead.

Poser! 🙂
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February 22, 2012 7:29pm
wat dabney

bereal,

Could you explain some more about how extradition treaties work. I thought they were for people who committed a crime and had fled justice. They are sent back to that country for trial.
But I don’t think that’s the case with Dotcom. He was arrested in NZ for something which presumably isn’t an offence here (otherwise he’d be tried here.) So he’s not being sent back, he’s just being sent.

The implication is that the US could issue an arrest warrant for any one of us – for something which may not even an offence in NZ – and the police here would scoop us up and send us to the States, even if we’ve never been out of NZ in our lives.
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February 22, 2012 7:40pm
Pauleastbay

bereal

pissed or stoned again?

Just because there is an extradition agreement in place it does not automatically mean that “whoever” is put on a plane because someone says so. Our legal system is a wee bit more sophisticated than that.

This is like the Martha Stewart situation in that a person is jailed or faces jail for a serious length of time because of a self-interest group . If Dotcom is found guilty what purpose would be served by jailing him for 20 years?

This is being driven by Hollywood Studios and producers who are the biggest tax dodgers and genius accountants on the planet. The same who since the wax disc was invented have been ripping off artists.

And on a personal note, why don’t you join the New Zealand Police and enforce the rule of law that you blather on about so often, I loved it, at the very least they will teach you how to spell and string a coherent sentence together.
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February 22, 2012 7:49pm
Nostalgia-NZ

bereal
7.20

Normally I’d hate the guys guts myself, and he’s got a lot them, because he had a pink cadillac and not not black one with tinted windows. – maybe with something on the aerial like a huge condom befitting the man’s status. But it was in the papers, and I know papers aren’t so accurate. but anyway the papers following some public concern about what was happening to old dotcom, getting all his stuff stolen and thrown in prison, said that seized property and money would be going to the NZ Government. I got suspicious about that bereal, because if he can never get convicted of any crime in NZ why are we stealing his property. I got the impression that comment, which was from the FBI by the way, was a sell off.
I don’t like sell offs.
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February 22, 2012 7:49pm
Johnboy

Well it’s obviously pretty deep stuff for you Wat, but I suspect that we have an extradition treaty with the US and if the authorities there issue an arrest warrant for him in the US they ask us to arrest him here and extradite him to the US.

Cybercrime I guess knows no physical borders so maybe you don’t have to have been in a country to commit a cybercrime there.

I’m not a QC of course! 🙂
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February 22, 2012 7:50pm
bereal

Dear wat dabney,
Poor dear wat dabney,
Extraditions are for people who have also been ACCUSED of a crime, and in the USA as indited by a Grand Jury.

Dont worry mate, you wont be extradited.

Relax.
It Doesn’t matter how fukin dumb you are you wont be extradited.

Just as well ‘Pig Ignorant’ is not an extraditable offence.

Then you would be in shit creek.
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February 22, 2012 7:53pm
Pauleastbay

I’m not a QC of course!………………..

but you can be JB , trust me, you can
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February 22, 2012 7:53pm
Nostalgia-NZ

wat dabney
7.40

Goal!
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February 22, 2012 7:53pm
Johnboy

Whats the story on slinging your Bushmaster so the muzzle points at your foot PEB?

Os had a good photo.
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February 22, 2012 7:55pm
Pauleastbay

I was gone prior to the bushmaster, never even had a play with one

Just had a quick wiki regarding extradition and the “dual criminality ” bar to extradition will be interesting.
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February 22, 2012 7:57pm
Johnboy

Explain (for us not yet QC’s) PEB. 🙂
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February 22, 2012 8:04pm
wat dabney

bereal,

But the point is that surely the US can only use the extradition process to have someone returned there for crimes they committed there. They can’t just issue arrest warrants for people who live on the other side of the world, for doing things which are not even an offence in that other country.

That’s what I’m asking you to clarify as you seem to know about such things.
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February 22, 2012 8:07pm
nasska

It’s 2:00 in the morning and the traveller calls the front desk at his motel and asks for some female company but with certain physical characteristics.
“She’s got to be taller than 6 ft. and weigh no more than 100 pounds,” he tells the desk clerk. 30 minutes later, there’s a knock on his door and he opens it to see a tall, lithe young lady.
“I’m here for your pleasure, sir,” she says.
“What do you weigh and how tall are you?”
She replies, “6’2 and 97 pounds.”
“Perfect,” he says. “Now take off all your clothes and get down on all fours on the floor.”
As she does this, he walks to the bathroom door, opens it and ushers in a big St. Bernard dog.
The dog looks at the girl and the girl looks at the dog and the man says, “Now Fritz, do you see what you’re going to look like if you don’t finish your dinner?”
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February 22, 2012 8:08pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Another mix for the pot. The French agents, convicted of manslaughter were surrended to France to complete their sentences in the relatively luxury of the south seas. By comparison, Dotcom a NZ resident, not convicted of any crime here, having had all his money seized, will be sent to USA to serve 20 years or more.
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February 22, 2012 8:15pm
bereal

cut to the chase.
Why do Paulestbay, and wat dabney, and Nostalgia,etc , feel the need to suck Kim Dotcoms cock ?
Why do you want to do that girls ?
Why ?
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February 22, 2012 8:15pm
Nostalgia-NZ

So you finally got to get your rocks off bereal.
I hope you feel better now.
Take an aspro and go to sleep.
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February 22, 2012 8:18pm
Weihana

bereal

i believe in the rule of law.
i believe that your hero Dotcom will be able to defend himself, both here, and in the USA, if he is deported, within the law.
The same law that applies to you and me.

Call me cynical, but this appears a case of the RIAA and the MPAA wielding their political influence to get the US authorities to do their bidding which in turn is getting people like Simon Power to do their bidding here in New Zealand. To believe that the OTT manner in which Dotcom was arrested is unrelated to the backroom politics between the US and the NZ government seems pretty naive.

Moreover, given the likely weak criminal case it seems probable that the real motive for this prosecution is to simply get Dotcom into the United States so that civil proceedings can be taken against him.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/29/megaupload_criminal_charges_flawed/
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February 22, 2012 8:28pm
wat dabney

bereal,

I downloaded this summary document about the 1999 Extradition Treaty

http://www.mfat.govt.nz/downloads/treaties-and-international-law/Extradition-Act-summary.pdf

Any request for extradition from New Zealand must relate to an “extraditable offence” which
is defined as an offence that:

• Carries a maximum penalty of not less than one year’s imprisonment in the requesting
country; and

• Involves conduct that would be regarded as criminal had it occurred in New Zealand, and
would have carried a similar penalty.

• Is specified by the extradition treaty, if there is one.

To me it seems clear that extradition is to return people to the country where the crime was committed (“conduct that would be regarded as criminal had it occurred in New Zealand”.)

If that’s the case then the US arrest warrant can only relate to activities Dotcom carried while he was in the US and not in NZ or Germany.

Have I got that right?

Are we talking about the difference between extradition and rendition?
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February 22, 2012 8:33pm
Weihana

What I don’t understand about the dual criminality requirement for extradition is that everything Dotcom supposedly did in the United States he did in New Zealand as well. So if what he did is truly a crime in the United States then why isn’t it a crime in New Zealand and why aren’t the NZ authorities prosecuting him?
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February 22, 2012 8:34pm
Johnboy

Maybe if he just paid us another $10M we could look the other way while he escaped.

Wait a minute. We would have to bail him first eh! 🙂
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February 22, 2012 8:39pm
Johnboy

Lets face it we are fuckin stony broke folks! 🙂
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February 22, 2012 8:40pm
Nostalgia-NZ

wat dabney
8.33

Well I’m not in favour of any renditions for bereal where he doesn’t freely offer consent, even though his 4th form teacher is reported to have said he needed ‘a good cuff around the lugs’ for talking dirty during science experiments.
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February 22, 2012 8:42pm
Viking2

I see shit for brain has arrived on the scene with his twin , the arsehole mr plebe.
Plebe have you bothered to do the research to give me ananswer to the question I asked l;ast night.
Of course not it was way beyond your comprhension.

brianfartreal.
The answer of course is that he had not broken the law in any court proven way and was just victimised and closed down. Now I don’t expect you to understand that but at least give them the credit that they had lots of legal advice before and during their operation. They not dumb fucks like you which is why you are broken arsed and they were not. Your problem is typical socialist envy. You would make a bloody good storm trooper. All piss and wind, bravado and bullshit and alltogether too much of what the cat licks its arse with. Have a pleasant evening.
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February 22, 2012 8:47pm
Viking2

Mr Garrett
I have much respect for lots of things you say but on this one you should do some home work First up consider what a good barrister will get as a binus if and when the prove the yanks wrong in court which they will. Then when they go after compensation.
Now I can see the above fruitloops ranting but the NZ Govt. will be in line for dishing up a lot of that compo.
Yes that’s you’se and Me’s.

Now a smart lawyer would be looking for a piece of that I reckon cause there will be plenty to share. You have a lot of gardening time right now. why don’t you stop feeling sorry for your self and become an expert about this stuff. Because like it or not there is going to be a whole lot more if the Yankie fim industry get their way.
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February 22, 2012 8:53pm
Scott Chris

chiz says:- “Not sure what this is supposed to mean”

It means that I reject the idea that the putative warrior gene/s has anything to do with the relatively high crime rate amongst aboriginals*. I favour a sociological explanation.

*generic sense of the word
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February 22, 2012 8:53pm
nasska

reid

Don’t know if you’ve accessed this site before but it certainly covers one of your fields of interest.

Ref: http://www.debka.com/
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February 22, 2012 8:55pm
Viking2

• Involves conduct that would be regarded as criminal had it occurred in New Zealand, and
would have carried a similar penalty.

Which of course is why they sucked key and co into passing the shite laws they have.
Key needs to harden the fuck up to these slimy bastards.

personally I don’t give a shit if the Yanks never talk to us. They are dishonest bastards at the best of times.
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February 22, 2012 8:55pm
Johnboy

You won’t say that when the Chinee sail down here to claim their land and show us their new aircraft carrier V2. 🙂
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February 22, 2012 9:01pm
Viking2

A sign?
On the day our very own violent psychopathic mass murderer accused mega file copier gets bail, comes this:

A federal appeals court reversed the conviction late Thursday of Sergey Aleynikov, a former Goldman Sachs programmer found guilty of stealing proprietary code from the bank’s high-frequency trading platform.

http://nominister.blogspot.co.nz/2012/02/sign.html
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February 22, 2012 9:08pm
Viking2

Hey johnboy, haven’t you noticed out in the swamp that they are already here. Came via Air NZ didn’t need any big ship.
you no doubt know of the Gee family in Petone. knew them when I was a kid.

Probably if you looked even your sheepish have started to inherit chinese genes.
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February 22, 2012 9:13pm
nasska

From the “Help” section of an New Zealand Farming magazine:

Dear Doctor

I’ve tried most sex positions, but in the end I always come back to the good old missionary position. I like to look into their eyes, and maybe give them a really good snog when I’m making love.
I would have to admit that the sheep never seem to be overly enthusiastic with the situation.

What am I doing wrong?

Johnboy
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February 22, 2012 9:22pm
cha

And we’re off, maybe.

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2012/02/ap-us-softens-stance-on-arms-for-syria-rebels-022112
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February 22, 2012 9:25pm
reid

Thanks for that nasska, yes I know of it. But do appreciate the heads up.
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