General Debate 25 February 2012

February 25th, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Viking2 (11,565 comments) says:

    Aha get out of bed you lazy buggers.
    Its stopped rianing.

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  2. mikenmild (11,719 comments) says:

    Hoping for a fine afternoon here in Welly for the cricket.

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  3. Viking2 (11,565 comments) says:

    More problems for Crown Prosecutors and flimsy eveidence appearing real.
    Good verdict.
    Problems for the current case involving the Urewera Four. Lots of video footage where the police have put thier interpretation on the scenes without being able to clearly identify and prove what is seen. e.g. it looked like they were throeing molotov cocktails. Pure conjecture because it was not able to be seen nor could it be proven in any way.
    A Long overdue ruling.

    Evidence must be real and not surmissed as much of the reported evidence is.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/6478945/Death-may-have-been-suicide-not-murder

    The crown contended Mr Wood killed his girlfriend because she wanted to end their relationship and he feared she would reveal personal and business details about his boss, Mr Rivkin.

    “I am not persuaded of either of the motives suggested by the crown,” Justice McClelland said, adding there was no reliable evidence that Ms Byrne was contemplating leaving him.

    “.. the suggested evidence of a motive involving Rivkin is so thin that it should never have been left with the jury.”

    Associate Prof Cross conducted a series of “not particularly sophisticated” experiments” to establish where Ms Byrne could have jumped or been thrown to the location where her body was said to have been found.

    “To my mind A/Prof Cross was allowed, without objection, to express opinions outside his field of specialised knowledge,” the judge said.

    In his final address, Mr Tedeschi had put 50 questions to the jury, including a “killer point” about Mr Wood knowing exactly where her body was and it was “feet up”.

    But Justice McClellan said this submission was “inevitably flawed” as all the evidence indicated the night was so dark that no one could have known precisely where she was.

    Other questions invited speculation and were unreasonably prejudicial to Mr Wood.

    “The difficulties which the prosecutor’s conduct created are so significant that I am satisfied it caused the trial to miscarry occasioning a miscarriage of justice,” he said.

    On several occasions, the prosecutor “offered his own opinion as to how a person committing suicide would act” and an opinion about leaving messages.

    The remarks should not have been made, he said.

    “It was a serious breach of the prosecutor’s duty to put the crown case fairly before the jury.”

    While it was possible Ms Byrne and Mr Wood were present together near the Gap on June 7, the judge said the evidence strongly suggests they had been misidentified.

    Some of Mr Wood’s actions and statements before and after Ms Byrne died raised suspicion, the judge said.

    “Some of his statements may be untrue,” he said.

    “However, the law requires significantly more than suspicion before a person can be convicted of a crime.

    “Even a high level of suspicion is not sufficient.”

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  4. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    Celebrity grandstanding.

    http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2012/02/frack-it-lucy-lawless.html

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  5. labours a joke (442 comments) says:

    Maybe if we all burn a koran each the entire muslim population around the world will kill each other. Another 12 dead in Afganistan after protests turn violent against the yanks burning ” a book “. Pfft..fools.

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  6. Viking2 (11,565 comments) says:

    Only surprise here Monique is that Malcolm and the Nutter from Nelson aren’t there as well.
    They should take the ship for a test run when the sea gets up a bit. Nothing like gyrating from the masthead. It ain’t not fun even when you are used to that sort of thing.
    And lets face it many of our pioneers had to do just that, hanging onto rigging in storms.
    Put life back into perspective for the stupid woman.

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  7. Pete George (23,683 comments) says:

    I’ve been called humourless on a blog on child abuse for criticising this: A modest proposal, indeed.

    For expressing my displeasure I was accused of tedious moralizing and fundamental humourless amongst other things.

    Try wit instead – we’re all urbane intellectuals here, remember? The more rarified and erudite the better.

    That’s the Dim intellectuals. My guess is childless (Danyl isn’t but he was serious).

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  8. mikenmild (11,719 comments) says:

    Do you have any favourite recipes for Mangere child fillet?

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  9. Pete George (23,683 comments) says:

    mikenmild – is child abuse a joke to you? It isn’t funny for the kids.

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  10. mikenmild (11,719 comments) says:

    What isn’t a joke? Humour can be very broadening.

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  11. Keeping Stock (10,429 comments) says:

    Greenpeace is admitting that it is using Lucy Lawless (Lawless by name; lawless by nature) to “gain maximum attention” around the world for its latest publicity stunt. What a pack of hypocrites they are…

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/02/greenpeace-achieves-its-aim.html

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  12. Manolo (14,060 comments) says:

    How and why he became Treasury Secretary is a mystery to many: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/geithner-privilege-being-american-why-rich-need-higher-taxes_631859.html

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  13. reid (16,633 comments) says:

    Lawless had been invited to take part in the action to gain maximum attention, but said her concerns were genuine. “Everybody here is a true believer in the importance of heading off runaway climate change right now.”

    They are so freaking mental it’s a wonder they can toilet themselves they’re so mental.

    I mean it’s precisely the same stupidity as holding up a sign saying “war is bad.” Well duh. Of course its bad. But just saying its bad says nothing about how to stop it. Unless of course one of the passers-by is actually the war-making decision-maker to whom that thought has never occurred and which prevents them from making the actual decision to go to war that afternoon which they had been planning to do because they mistakenly believed that war was, in fact, good.

    It’s the same thing here. If Gweenpeace and Lawless et al actually explained how to run the world without oil and gave us all a realistic roadmap on how to get there from where we are today, then maybe they’d be worth listening to. But they never do. All they ever do is state the drop dead bleeding obvious and the worst part is, they earnestly behave as if they really think they’re telling people something they didn’t already know.

    And if anyone thinks they have given us a realistic roadmap by munting on about “alternative energy sources” then no, they haven’t. They haven’t even passed first base, which is convincing the world that their “runaway climate change” is actually more than just a pure fantasy in their own idiot heads. If they haven’t even done that, which they demonstrably haven’t given the level of global skepticism about their premise, then how the hell do they expect anything at all to achieve an actual real change? They’re behaving exactly like the hairdressers and telephone cleaners in Hitchhikers guide and really do all deserve exactly the same fate. A rocket ship to Mars would be a great thing for these people and I hope to see exactly that one day. Any politician who proposes that gets my vote, even if they’re from McGillicudy Serious.

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  14. Manolo (14,060 comments) says:

    Why is the NZ Police so lenient with the eco-terrorists? http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6478502/Lawless-warrior-actress-in-protest

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  15. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    Re Lawless, WTF is a climate change ambassador?

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  16. reid (16,633 comments) says:

    Re Lawless, WTF is a climate change ambassador?

    It’s like one of those animal stamps the teacher puts on a five year old’s hand for going a whole day without soiling themselves, Monique. Except I think Lucy is closer to 45 but perhaps she’s just a bit slow.

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  17. Scott Chris (6,176 comments) says:

    If Lawless believes that Shell’s drilling for oil in the Arctic is going a step too far, then I support her right to market her cause in the most effective way she can. She is causing no substantial harm in the manner of her protest. If she were, I’d imagine she’d be arrested promptly.

    Rather fancy her myself to be honest.

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  18. Dazzaman (1,145 comments) says:

    Lucy can’t be much of a mother/wife climbing up rigs….does she not actually work and do her own washing, folding, cleaning, cooking, etc?

    Being a crusader is easy with nannies in tow.

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  19. Steve (4,588 comments) says:

    Greenpeace was once genuine. I donated to them.

    Greenpeace now is a disease, full of scum and filth, and it attracts attention seekers who are not genuine

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  20. Keeping Stock (10,429 comments) says:

    @ Manolo; probably because they’re 53 metres above the deck of the ship, and it would be dangerous for police officers who may not have the skills and equipment to safely climb the tower to arrest them. Nature will take its course eventually, and with the rate at which Lawless is doing media interviews, there can’t be too much life left in her cellphone battery. And to go to the lowest common denominator; they’ll all have to have a dump eventually, and I can’t imagine Ms Lawless disrobing while the whole world’s watching!

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  21. reid (16,633 comments) says:

    …I support her right to market her cause in the most effective way she can. She is causing no substantial harm in the manner of her protest.

    Scott haven’t you worked out yet that just because someone has a “right” to do something, this fact has nothing whatsoever to do with the question as to whether or not its a good idea to do it.

    That’s pretty much logic 101 there buddy. If you can’t even make that distinction then you’re not going to get very far in life. Just saying, that’s all.

    BTW, since she’s occupying private property, her “right” to do this is debatable, anyway.

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  22. Megatron (190 comments) says:

    Not only an eco- warrior but a Hollywood Star…. So when she gets convicted and has “form” her US visa/green card will be torn up? She then becomes an ex Hollywood star….. Silly bitch

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  23. reid (16,633 comments) says:

    @ Manolo; probably because they’re 53 metres above the deck of the ship, and it would be dangerous for police officers who may not have the skills and equipment to safely climb the tower to arrest them.

    and

    She is causing no substantial harm in the manner of her protest.

    Yes well where are they going to go. It’s a shame the police have to waste time hanging around until they come down. One would imagine they could usefully be doing other things, but I suppose the fact that victims of crime or road trauma can’t be assisted by those officers while they hang around waiting for them is neither here nor there to Lawless and Gweenpeace, which just goes to show how fundamentally flawed their thinking is in terms of morality and being human.

    They really are appalling people aren’t they.

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  24. mikenmild (11,719 comments) says:

    Of course, we tend to criticise ‘stars’ only when we disagree with the cause espoused. Is there anything inherently wrong with using one’s fame to promote one’s beliefs?

    Then, according to reid, no protest could be justified if it takes police time away from what they should be doing.

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  25. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    @ mikenmild. you could ask Douglas Graham that very question as he might have a different perspective after his conviction.
    I do admire a good protest as long as the argument for the person’s conviction is well articulated. At the moment I believe it’s a case of Lucy in the Sky with Dumbarses..

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  26. mikenmild (11,719 comments) says:

    I admit that I hadn’t thought of the same point in respect of Graham, but the same thing applies – if you are moved to act because of some high-profile endorsement for a cause or an investment, then you might like to reconsider.

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  27. reid (16,633 comments) says:

    Is there anything inherently wrong with using one’s fame to promote one’s beliefs?

    Heard of tilting at windmills, mm? Last I heard, that wasn’t a particularly effective way to spend ones time and this is what she and Gweenpeace are doing now and do everytime they do something like this. Wasting media space and people’s thinking time on this vapour when so many other profoundly important things are going on in the world, is why they shouldn’t do it. Sure, lots of other things happen to waste space as well, but just because they’re not the only ones doing it doesn’t mean they’re justified in doing it in this case, does it.

    according to reid, no protest could be justified if it takes police time away from what they should be doing

    As I explained above mm if they were doing something worthwhile like spelling out a realistic roadmap or even publicising a website where such could be found, that WOULD justify taking up Police time, but they’re not doing that, are they. Everyone already knows what they are saying, so why bother saying it at all. It’s as useful as saying the sky is blue and just as informative. That’s why they’re wrong and so are most protests, such as the ‘war is bad’ and ‘poverty is bad’ protests, as well.

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  28. Keeping Stock (10,429 comments) says:

    Scott Chris said

    If Lawless believes that Shell’s drilling for oil in the Arctic is going a step too far, then I support her right to market her cause in the most effective way she can. She is causing no substantial harm in the manner of her protest. If she were, I’d imagine she’d be arrested promptly.

    So you support her right to trespass on the wharves owned by the Taranaki port company then Scott, and to stop the crew of the Noble Discoverer from going about their lawful business?

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  29. Komata (1,201 comments) says:

    Ahh, but she is a ‘STAR’ which makes her so very much more important than the rest of the proles, so she has to be listened-to – that is her ‘right’ because she is a ‘star’. The fact that she is not currently ‘staring’ is of course of no consequence at all – more likely a ‘fading / fallen star.

    Can’t wait for the breathless Women’s Weekly/New Idea/Day article titled ‘How I suffer for Greenpeace – my part in the New Plymouth protest – from Lucy Lawless – New Zealand’s very own superstar’. Investigative journalism at its worst.

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  30. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    “Lucy in the Sky with Dumbarses”
    +1 Monique.

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  31. tom hunter (5,086 comments) says:

    Of course, we tend to criticise ‘stars’ only when we disagree with the cause espoused.

    I can’t actually remember the last time a “star” espoused any cause I agreed with, although it may have been George Clooney in Three Kings, where the message was that the decent thing for a US GOP President to have done was to get rid of Saddam Hussein.

    Perhaps Lucy should be careful what she asks for.

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  32. mikenmild (11,719 comments) says:

    Tolerance of dissent and protest action is one mark of a liberal society. Within reasonable limits, we should be relaxed about this sort of activity. Again, reid, you seem to be saying that only protests you agree with could be worthwhile. Just because you disagree with Greenpeace does not by itself mean that they are incapable of making a reasonable case.

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  33. Paulus (2,662 comments) says:

    I hope that the boat sails on Sunday with Law-less and others on board.
    It will soon get rough outside the harbour being so high up.
    I wish I could block their mobile phones for a while.
    BBBUUUTTT OSH will prevail, along with UN Unhuman Rights, and anything else to protect the stupid.

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  34. Scott Chris (6,176 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock says:- “So you support her right to trespass on the wharves owned by the Taranaki port company then Scott, and to stop the crew of the Noble Discoverer from going about their lawful business?”

    Mikenmild says it best:

    “Tolerance of dissent and protest action is one mark of a liberal society.”

    Yes she is trespassing, and I think to be fair, she should be arrested if she refuses to move on peacefully.

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  35. Viking2 (11,565 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock (7,256) Says:
    February 25th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    @ Manolo; probably because they’re 53 metres above the deck of the ship, and it would be dangerous for police officers who may not have the skills and equipment to safely climb the tower to arrest them. Nature will take its course eventually, and with the rate at which Lawless is doing media interviews, there can’t be too much life left in her cellphone battery. And to go to the lowest common denominator; they’ll all have to have a dump eventually, and I can’t imagine Ms Lawless disrobing while the whole world’s watching!

    why not and just at that happens

    A demonstration parade of helicopters with helicopters with full monsoon buckets that happened to unload above the rig would be interesting.

    And just to speed up the process get the good guys to take her up some nice warm food laced with laxatives.

    My god that would be fun to watch.

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  36. Put it away (2,880 comments) says:

    Anyone who lets celebrities do their thinking for them is beneath contempt.

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  37. Viking2 (11,565 comments) says:

    PIA.
    That’s heresy.
    All the TV watches in this world will be after you.

    Only the clever and smart do TV stuff to educate the peons.

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  38. Sofia (866 comments) says:

    and I can’t imagine Ms Lawless disrobing while the whole world’s watching!

    … you haven’t seen SPARTACUS then? Not that you have missed much – the series has about as much to do with history as did Gibson’s PASSION OF CHRIST
    Lawless would seem to prostitute her values in more ways than just Greenpeace

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  39. Fletch (6,492 comments) says:

    There were some Greenpeace people outside my local Warehouse getting people to sign a petition to stop drilling for oil off New Zealand. I didn’t sign of course. One of them asked if I’d like to join Greenpeace anyway, and I said, nah it’s all political now, rather than being about the environment.

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  40. holysheet (426 comments) says:

    QUOTE OF THE YEAR:

    “and then God created the orgasm, so that women can moan even when they are happy.”

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  41. Manolo (14,060 comments) says:

    Re Lawless, WTF is a climate change ambassador?

    Just ask toad and Al “Conman” Gore.

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  42. kowtow (8,763 comments) says:

    TV NZ and RNZ have led their news coverage with this trespass action by Greenpeace.
    RNZ actually read the Greenpeace release ie “long ,cold night ” up in the rig etc.

    Our taxpayer owned news agencies are complicit in this Greenpeace propaganda stunt.

    I object to these louts being called “activists” or “protesters”. They are trespassing on private property and interfering with a lawful business . They are also wasting police time.

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  43. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    A cellphone jammer on the ship would have ended the protest by lunchtime.

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  44. kowtow (8,763 comments) says:

    Hey fletch,

    I wonder if their petition was rephrased “Lower our standard of living” how many of the dupes would sign?

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  45. Manolo (14,060 comments) says:

    I wonder if their petition was rephrased “Lower our standard of living” how many of the dupes would sign?

    toad, trivialrev, and Phil Ure would.

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  46. reid (16,633 comments) says:

    Tolerance of dissent and protest action is one mark of a liberal society. Within reasonable limits, we should be relaxed about this sort of activity. Again, reid, you seem to be saying that only protests you agree with could be worthwhile. Just because you disagree with Greenpeace does not by itself mean that they are incapable of making a reasonable case.

    and

    Mikenmild says it best: “Tolerance of dissent and protest action is one mark of a liberal society.”

    WTF is wrong with leftist thinking patterns that time after time after time they conflate a critique of someone’s actions on the grounds of profound pointlessness with a critique that says they don’t have the wight to do it?

    mm and Scott, get this through your thick skulls once and for all because you and lefties like you raise it time and time and time again. WTF is wrong with you? Where have I said Lawless does not have a RIGHT to do what she is doing? You can’t find it, because I haven’t said it. Have I? No, I haven’t. So why do you accuse me of being intolerant toward Lawless? Newsflash idiots: tolerance of a human right DOES NOT EQUATE TO THE NECESSITY TO AGREE THAT THEIR PROTEST IS WORTHWHILE AND IT DOES NOT EQUATE TO THE NECESSITY TO AVOID POINTING OUT THAT THROUGH THEIR POINTLESS ACTIONS WHICH ACHIEVE NOTHING, THEY’RE NOT AIDING AND ABETTING ROAD AND CRIME TRAUMA, EITHER.

    That’s all I said above, isn’t it. Yes, it is.

    Is that quite clear? Honestly, your collective thinking has the insight, maturity and depth of a 10 year old child’s. It does. I wish you’d grow up but apparently, you get so emotional about the whole fucking thing, it’s simply impossible for you to draw that elementary distinction I alluded to above and which I have been careful to draw throughout my posts today.

    I’m so glad I’ve never been infected with leftist thinking. It would just drive me nuts, as it would any thinking person.

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  47. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    Personally I’m a lot more tolerant of dissent and protest action that doesn’t break the law.

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  48. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    Why no jail for those four who include two ex-politicians ?
    They jailed that ex-MP from Mangere for fraud and I see fuck all difference in their crimes.

    Losing their part free travel is a start, but five years in the clink would be even better.

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  49. Griff (8,192 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/6471887/Exhibition-cancelled-after-iwi-object-to-content
    The bubbles would have been made partly from water previously used to wash dead bodies
    Victoria University’s head of the school of Maori studies, Peter Adds, said superstition was a “loaded” word and any objections to the exhibition would have been based on a deeply entrenched cultural belief for many Maori.
    “People would have inadvertently placed themselves in danger and Maori people would have treated the people as being contaminated.
    “Those people would have been treated with a degree of caution. Maori don’t muck around with issues of tapu.

    So don’t go to the exhibition
    Its a bit of woo to the rest of us “superstition”
    Being dead is an inevitable consequence of living .
    The water you drink properly dribbled out of a dinosaurs appendage during rutting season That does not make it magic in any way

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  50. Gulag1917 (1,007 comments) says:

    MIT climate scientist Richard Lindzen, “Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat’s dream. If you control carbon, you control life.”

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  51. Yvette (2,849 comments) says:

    “What’s this then?”
    “Water from a Mexican morgue – been used to wash cadavers”

    “What are you going to do with it?”
    “Blow bubbles”

    “Yeah ? – why?”
    “So that people. especially little children, who see joy and happiness in such a simple but intrinsically universally appreciated pleasure, may be totally disillusioned when we reveal the origin of the water and they will marvel at the intellectual brilliance of our artistic expression bringing them crashing back to reality.”

    “Like displaying the Easter bunny gnawing its own leg off because it is clamped in a gin-trap – or the Tooth Fairy mugged and gang–raped because she’s a fairy after all?”
    “Yes, you’ve got it”

    “Well, you can go stand in the Agriculture queue behind the guy with the kiwifruit pollen, or try the red queue with the people bringing in artificial marijuana and other stuff that we don’t have a fucking clue as to what its actual contents are. But you may have a little wait …”

    “Why?”
    “Because nearly all of our border patrol persons are trying to talk Xena down from a 53 metre erection in Port Taranaki.”

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  52. Scott Chris (6,176 comments) says:

    reid says:- “I’m so glad I’ve never been infected with leftist thinking. It would just drive me nuts, as it would any thinking person.”

    I think in your case the train to Nuttsville left the station some time ago. Liberalism, like science is founded on reason, which is as far from insanity as humans are capable of being.

    Conservatism on the other hand is an inherently deranged philosophy because in seeking to achieve a state of idyllic changelessness the conservative will desperately hold onto his ideals as a frame of reference whilst the world around him inevitably evolves into something completely incomprehensible and seemingly insane.

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  53. chiz (1,164 comments) says:

    I can’t find a story on the BBC site to link to, but a day ago I heard an interesting story on the BBC world service on the issue of korans. The interviewer was speaking to an islamic scholar about how to dispose of old unwanted korans. It turns out that the right way to do it IS to burn them, but by themselves and not with other waste.

    No doubt offended dimwits would invent other factors – that they have to be burnt by a muslim or something.

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  54. Gulag1917 (1,007 comments) says:

    “conservatism deranged”- quite a few extreme and intolerant statements made.

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  55. kowtow (8,763 comments) says:

    reference bubble bullshit Karl du fresne ‘s is a good item.
    http://karldufresne.blogspot.co.nz/

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  56. reid (16,633 comments) says:

    A little bit of Staturday arvo cognitive dissonance:

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  57. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Just watching the cricket and the thought came to me that if they take the Knighthood off Sir Douglas they should give it to the groundsman that mowed the geometrically perfect, alternating diamonds of the cake tin outfield. Must use a laser sight on his tractor.

    The man is a bloody genius! :)

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  58. kowtow (8,763 comments) says:

    Gender selection abortions widespread in Britain.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9104994/Sex-selection-abortions-are-widespread.html

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  59. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Yvette. Vous êtes beau quand vous êtes fâché. :)

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  60. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Wouldn’t Xena need her stuntwoman to cope with a 53 metre erection?

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  61. chiz (1,164 comments) says:

    reid – if protestantism evolved from catholicism then why is catholicisim still around?

    That claim about humans and apes just demonstrates a basic miunderstanding.

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  62. big bruv (14,148 comments) says:

    I imagine that others have asked this question but why are our cops just watching these pricks?

    Why not shoot them, starting with Lawless.

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  63. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    They are waiting for Robin Malcolm to climb up there too BB? :)

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  64. Viking2 (11,565 comments) says:

    BB, better to let them freeze their arse off at the top of the tower for a day or so then take them for a test drive at a slow pace in a nice sloppy sea. Won’t want to do that again once that happens. Not all fun.

    I note that itwaqs said the had food for a couple of days. HMMM well leave then there for 4 and then go ride about barricading them from coming down. Just so much fun to be had.

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  65. big bruv (14,148 comments) says:

    Johnboy

    Ah yes…that is a good idea. Why not wait for Moonbat Delahunty as well then the cops could get all three of them with one shot.

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  66. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    They would have to change from soft nose to FMJ BB and then they would have to find a chap (ess) who could hit what they were aiming for.

    Still John Wayne could do it on a regular basis. :)

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  67. Griff (8,192 comments) says:

    Slow pace sloppy seas and smelly fish
    Will make the most staunch seaman puke

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  68. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Quartering seas and pizzas cooking in the diesel fired stove were what finally turned my guts Griff. :)

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  69. Griff (8,192 comments) says:

    I find Sea sickness is mind over matter.

    I don’t mind and you don’t matter.

    :grin:

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  70. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    You’d mind if I puked the matter from my last diesel powered pizza over your smug exterior. :)

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  71. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Billy Grahams mentoring hasn’t done much for Jesse then!

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  72. cows4me (248 comments) says:

    Lucy will be freezing her arse off today, the wind is about 35 to 40 knots and coming straight off the sea. I do hope the numskulls are enjoying it.

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  73. Griff (8,192 comments) says:

    Smug exterior?
    More like puke in my snug interior
    If effort in worship counted Ralph would be the most powerful god.

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  74. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    The crave for fame can be a good thing. A great motivator.

    But why is it that the likes of Lucy Lawless and, say, Sean Penn for example (and even, but at a much more
    primitive level, Robin Malcolm) feel they have to surpass their level of competence and crave more and more ?

    Even that sheila who acted in Wave Rider is on the same bandwagon. She knows more about global warming than
    you will ever know.

    Does success in art give them delusions of grandeur ?

    What could it be ?

    Maybe a psycologist correspondent could provide some insight.

    There seem to be legions of actors and actresses who feel that they automatically become experts on everything under the sun. Why?

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  75. nasska (11,804 comments) says:

    For those of you with too much time on your hands: http://www.forthecraic.net/flash/boobtest.swf

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  76. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    253. Might not be enough. :)

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  77. reid (16,633 comments) says:

    Liberalism, like science is founded on reason, which is as far from insanity as humans are capable of being.

    Scott, Liberalism is Communism. Of course people like you hate being called commies so you call yourselves something really stupid like a “pwogwessive” to make idiots think you’re forward looking and kind and gentle creatures and it’s the way of the future but your playbook, as evidenced by everything you guys say, is straight from 1917. Sorry, it is.

    Well, I’m not sorry, actually. If people like you are stupid enough to be fooled into thinking collectivism and state control is the way to go given today’s understanding of what works and what doesn’t, then I’m afraid I have no sympathy whatsoever in fact I have utter contempt for your pathetic collective intellects since even when its all combined you guys still can’t come up with anything which will make the slightest dent in anything you claim to care about, be it the planet, be it war, be it poverty or any other stupid cause you care to name. In fact it’s even worse since your ideas aren’t even neutral, they’re all negative, in that they exacerbate the very condition you claim to wish to address. Hence my complete and utter contempt, not for you as human beings, but for your stupid and pathetic ideas.

    You know what makes me laugh? Your pwogwessive delusion that pwogwessives are the ones who weally care about people. I mean, take poverty. To you, the only repeat only solution to you idiots is to re-distribute. Leaving aside the impracticality of actually implementing that, WTF do you guys think makes poor people poor in the first place? And if they are poor and we give them a little bit more, what makes you think the same thing which caused their poverty won’t rear its ugly head and cause them to fritter away whatever it is you think society should give them, leaving them right back where they started and the rest of us just that little bit less keen on participating in your next mental idea.

    Well, it would be funny, were it not we’re talking about real human beings who do need help, just not your pwogwessive kind of help, that’s the last thing they need.

    You know what makes me disgusted? Your insufferable arrogance that you’re the only ones who care about helping people to the point where if people don’t agree with you it means by definition they’re heartless beasts. That’s just fucking mental, but pwogwessives have such hubris coming out your ears, don’t you. Isn’t that disgusting. Who the fuck do you guys think you are?

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  78. wat dabney (3,809 comments) says:

    The real story in this Fakegate scandal is how the global warming movement is desperate, delusional and collapsing as global warming fails to live up to alarmist predictions. People with sound science on their side do not need to forge documents to validate their arguments or make the other side look bad. Also, people who are so desperate as to forge documents in an attempt to frame their rivals are clearly not above forging scientific data, studies and facts to similarly further their cause.

    It is both striking and telling how global warming activists have failed to condemn the acts of forgery in the Fakegate scandal. For global warming activists, the ends justify the means – any means necessary to sell their alarmist message, even if they must sink to forgery and fakery…It is also worth noting that Gleick repeatedly claims in his confession that his misconduct was motivated by a desire to create a rational public debate on global warming and that he was trying to fight back against the people he claims are seeking to prevent such a debate. Yet in January 2012 the Heartland Institute cordially invited Gleick to publicly debate me at our 2012 annual benefit dinner. All Gleick would had to have done is defeat me in that debate and he could have accomplished his twin goals of promoting public debate and embarrassing the Heartland Institute. Yet Gleick declined to participate in such a fair and open debate, and then on the very next day committed his acts of fraud and theft against the Heartland Institute.

    Beyond our invitation to Gleick, the Heartland Institute has cordially invited dozens of scientists who believe humans are creating a global warming crisis to give presentations and to debate skeptics at our annual global warming conferences. Only one such scientist has ever accepted our offer.

    If Gleick is indeed concerned about people preventing a public debate on global warming, he perhaps should have targeted his global warming activist colleagues rather than the Heartland Institute.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/02/22/fakegate-illustrates-global-warming-alarmists-deceit-and-desperation/

    It’s also worth pointing out that Gleick has previously declared the debate over, though now he tries to pathetically justify his unethical behaviour and his lies on the grounds that, er, sceptics have tried to shut down debate.

    http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2012/02/24/peter-gleick-then-and-now/

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  79. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    17 for 2. What an athlete Jesse is. :)

    253 might be enough after all! :)

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  80. Steve (4,588 comments) says:

    Lucy Ryan.

    What time does the ship leave port? Leave the silly bitch and supporters onboard for a little journey.
    Imagine the headlines, ‘Noble Discovery crew and Shell take famous Actor and others hostage’
    Fuck off Ryan, fuck off Greenpeace

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  81. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    wat dabney @6.36

    What was that again ?

    Sum sing about Gleick or sum sing.

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  82. Griff (8,192 comments) says:

    When was the last time you saw this headline
    http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/meat-workers-locked-indefinitely-4742421
    Meat workers to be locked-out indefinitely
    How much times have changed this was once the headline every killing season
    if scab labor can do it cheaper so be it
    Some times they can not the experience in your long term workers can not be replaced that easily
    Lots of damage hes been done to industry due to employers not valuing the workforce

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  83. Scott Chris (6,176 comments) says:

    Incredibly lucky bank robbers evade cops in this 34 second clip.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EDCGqPtbJ4

    Hilarious!

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  84. Viking2 (11,565 comments) says:

    Protester pulled off oil-drilling ship and arrested
    updated 18:52

    Published: 7:00AM Saturday February 25, 2012 Source: ONE News

    Protester pulled off oil-drilling ship and arrested (Source: Supplied)
    Lucy Lawless on the Noble Discoverer – Source: Supplied
    Watch Video
    Lucy Lawless to spend night on-board oil ship watch
    20:03 Lucy Lawless among Greenpeace protesters (2:44)

    An Auckland man among a group of Greenpeace protesters, who have climbed aboard an oil-drilling ship in Taranaki, has been arrested.

    http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/protester-pulled-off-oil-drilling-ship-and-arrested-4742115

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  85. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    wat, I’ve been following this story from the outset. amazing stuff. i’m seeing a significant shift in thinking/blogging/discussions around the whole CAGW topic over the last few months. the number that still believe we’re on a tragectory to self-inflicted doom is plummeting. this will force those that are receiving large ‘research’/’advocacy’ grants to become more desperate as their public funding drys up. it’s delicious to watch

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  86. Yvette (2,849 comments) says:

    Johnboy – Yvette. Vous êtes beau quand vous êtes fâché.

    Oui – Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, nor hell a fury like a woman shawn.
    for you Johnboy – http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sleep/sheep/

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  87. nasska (11,804 comments) says:

    How we change from the first baby to later ones:

    Names
    First Child: Your name was inspired by a woman of royalty. She was
    loved by millions.
    Second Child: Your name was inspired by a beloved member of the family.
    Everyone adored her.
    Third Child: Your name was inspired by my favorite professional
    wrestler, Hulk Hogan. He could beat the crap out of anybody.

    Holding the new baby
    First Child: We’re the only ones who can hold her.
    Second Child: You can hold her, but you have to wash your hands first.
    Third Child: Someone please hold this kid for me!

    Food and Feeding
    First Child: I will feed you only pesticide-free organic foods that
    I’ve prepared by hand in a carefully-sanitized kitchen.
    Second Child: I will feed you baby foods from a jar that don’t have
    preservatives or additives.
    Third Child: Do you want weetbix or toast for breakfast?

    Safety
    First Child: Don’t run in the house. You could fall and hurt yourself.
    Second Child: Don’t run with scissors.
    Third Child: Don’t play with Daddy’s good chainsaw.

    Sleeping/Naps
    First Child: You need to go to bed by 8:30.
    Second Child: You need to go to bed by 9:00.
    Third Child: It’s 11:30, I’m going to bed. Turn the TV off when you’re
    finished.

    Television watching
    First Child: You can watch one hour of educational TV per day.
    Second Child: You can watch two hours of regular TV per day.
    Third Child: My TV is broken, can I watch yours?

    Bathing
    First Child: Your baths will be a mixture of sparkling spring water and
    pasteurized milk with essential oils
    Second Child: Your baths will be a mixture of warm water and baby oil
    Third Child: We’ll hose you off in the backyard twice a week.

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  88. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    “nor hell a fury like a woman shawn.” ?

    Is that like a woman who shaves Yvette? :)

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  89. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    A Chinese student just won $1,000,000 on Lotto winning wheel!

    What’s bloody Winston going to do about it! :)

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  90. Griff (8,192 comments) says:

    On behalf of all the third children here I would like to congratulate you on your choice of minorities singled out for ridicule today.
    Third child gets reality from the start.

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  91. nasska (11,804 comments) says:

    Griff

    As a first child I was always reminded of the extra attention I doubtlessly received. A little reflection on the subject made me realise that I was used for practise.

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  92. kowtow (8,763 comments) says:

    scott chris@710
    Police are trained NOT to rush into armed situations as per that clip.It is neither real nor funny.

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  93. Pete George (23,683 comments) says:

    Discrimination against 4th children!

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  94. Griff (8,192 comments) says:

    It still makes a change for a minority to laugh at their predicament
    Oh be it that all minorities could laugh at them selfs
    BillyT had it down pat
    Sad that such humor died young
    The naked Samoans have a good view of the conundrum long may they laugh at being a minority.

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  95. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Not to mention rampant discrimination against Catholics Pete. :)

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  96. nasska (11,804 comments) says:

    I’ve been watching coverage of the NZ Eight Ball Pool Championships and, I have to say, it’s come a long way since the days of unshaven, beer-swilling, fat, sweaty Aucklanders in dark, smoke-filled rooms.

    The Men’s Championship has improved too.

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  97. Yvette (2,849 comments) says:

    Johnboy, that puzzles me
    If one has a Brazillion can it still be called a pussy? It is as confusing as being a Chinese Catholic

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  98. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Perhaps these images will help you decide what to do Yvette.

    http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=cats+without+fur&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=tJJIT8vYDuSWiQeHvMXTBg&ved=0CEEQsAQ&biw=1038&bih=828

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  99. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Once you have made a decision perhaps you could post your photos. Just to me of course! :)

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  100. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    180 for four at 38 overs!

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  101. kowtow (8,763 comments) says:

    johnboy

    while m. pythons are very funny. They find taking the piss out of Christianity very easy. They would not dare do the same to Islam.

    This says 2 things. Pythons are cowards and Islam dangerous.

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  102. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Thanks kowtow. I knew there was a reason the Blackcaps never beat Pakistan. :)

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  103. Griff (8,192 comments) says:

    Cat Stevens and Mohamed Ali
    Two Muslims that were unfairly discriminated against due to their superstitious belief
    Better to stamp out all superstition than focus on the failings of one
    Because you are all the same.to me.
    Rational vs the boggy man.

    Sheep the only life force worth shagging

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  104. Pete George (23,683 comments) says:

    Excellent finish by the Highlanders to outlast the Chiefs. The commentators mentioned the Highlanders nearly as much as they mentioned SBW.

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  105. kowtow (8,763 comments) says:

    More from the abortion row in the UK.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9103831/In-the-third-world-unwanted-baby-girls-disappear.-Its-called-gendercide.-And-its-happening-in-this-country-too.html

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  106. reid (16,633 comments) says:

    Update on the US election:

    http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/02/20/white-house-insider-pump-and-dump/

    UM: So you’re sure about this – that the Obama campaign is doing this “pump and dump” as you put it?

    Insider: No doubt whatsoever. I know it because I’ve helped to do it myself. Many times. Many campaigns. They slipped up a bit though – they left a clear marker for folks to see if they were actually paying attention. Which of course, most aren’t. Even ones like yourself who think they are…who think they are following all of this…you’re missing it.

    UM: What was the mark?

    Insider: Marker.

    UM: What was the marker?

    Insider: There was a debate not so far back – Republican debate. And the moderator kept hammerin’ away on the contraception issue. And there was no contraception issue at that time, right? Contraception? Really? Where the hell did that come from? And why did that moderator keep at it like he did? Repeatedly. It came off like a joke. People were sayin’ how stupid it was. How silly the media looked. You remember that?

    UM: I do. Stephanopoulos, right? He was the moderator who kept bringing up the issue?

    Insider: That’s right, George was pushing it. F-cking George. He is so transparent. I saw it immediately. Telegraphed it. I knew the second I saw his face as he asked the question – I KNEW they were setting something up. Not then – something for later. And now we see that plan unfolding. This false contraception boogie man issue.

    Now that debate was over two months ago. And the issue of contraception, which seemed totally out of left field when it was raised during that debate – totally out of place…what is going on now? What is the media pounding on now?

    UM: Contraception.

    Insider: That’s right – contraception. It started out with a conflict between the Obama administration and the Catholic Church – but sure as sh-t the Obama team and the media have turned it into an issue over contraception and are painting the Republicans as these out of touch Bible thumpin’ radicals who want to take away women’s birth control. That is how this thing is being framed NOW – and it’s exactly how Stephanopoulos framed the question THEN over two months ago. This issue was being set up the whole time. And did you notice who was involved in the debate question first? What candidate?

    UM: Santorum. Damn…it was Santorum.

    Insider: Ah – there’s your light bulb moment for the day!

    …Any of these Republicans – ANY OF THEM, are a hell of an improvement over Barack Obama. If it’s Santorum, or Romney, or Gingrich, or Paul…you fall in line and you support that candidate and you vote Obama the f-ck out. That’s the goal. That’s your motivation. PERIOD.

    The “Insider” is the same guy who gave me the tip I passed on to you a few months ago that Obama was going to play the race card. I passed it onto you at the time since I considered it possible given who Obama is in terms of his history and behaviour. Of course I don’t know what the Insider’s evidence is or who he is, but I passed it on since looking at Obama’s background and dubious record thus far it could conceivably be a tactic in his particular twisted toolbox and it would have horrendous consequences, given the huge number of poor, young, angry and well armed black people in the large urbans who are, along with many others, doing very badly as the US’s very own GFC plays itself out. And if the US President does this, the US President, no less, well, enough said, right?

    So who knows.

    IF this is the same guy and I don’t know if this “Insider” is the same as another “Insider” who used to post on other sites during Bush 43, he is like me, in that he sees deep corruption, including murder and destruction on both sides of the US political fence.

    Treat it as a conspiracy theory if you like, it’s certainly a theory, no doubt about that. How else could it not be, given none of us have evidence? But “by their actions ye shall know them” is a useful phrase to consider, in these times.

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  107. kowtow (8,763 comments) says:

    griff,
    Islam is more than a superstition. It’s a culture ,as a Muslim judge in the US told an aetheist recently while dismissing charges of assault against a Muslim man for attacking the aetheist who was dressed as the Islamic prophet.
    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/02/why-we-need-anti-sharia-laws-muslim-judge-enforces-sharia-in-case-of-muslim-attacker-on-mocker-of-mu.html

    “Rational v the boggy man”…..what have the Oirish got to do with this griff?

    You say those 2 were discriminated against on the grounds of their religion, please provide proof of said assertion

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  108. Griff (8,192 comments) says:

    sorry kowtow
    I have been digging post holes all day
    one bourbon and cola = one post hole
    thus my posts have decade pleasurably as the night has worn on
    there is with out doubt an anti Muslim feeling being propagated by the USA
    I find fault on both the Cristian and Muslim side
    for me as a dedicated atheist you could say a hard atheist\
    I find the disconcerting amount of disharmony perpetrated in the name of god a reason to discount his existence
    never the less your contribution as a Cristian is still valued as any contribution to debate should be
    cat Stevens was blacklisted for ne’er on a generation Mohamed Ali was stripped of his title for being a Muslim

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  109. kowtow (8,763 comments) says:

    draft evasion,not Islam.

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  110. reid (16,633 comments) says:

    Liberalism, like science is founded on reason, which is as far from insanity as humans are capable of being.

    Conservatism on the other hand is an inherently deranged philosophy because in seeking to achieve a state of idyllic changelessness the conservative will desperately hold onto his ideals as a frame of reference whilst the world around him inevitably evolves into something completely incomprehensible and seemingly insane.

    I see, Scott. Tell me, is “liberalism” pwogwessive, or is it something else? On the assumption its not different, how come “liberalism” advocates bigger govt is the solution for one would have thought this the opposite of “liberalism.” This seems a bit insane to be quite honest Scott. I mean its one thing for an educated mind to be able to entertain polar opposites at one and the same time and quite another for a mind to believe one thing and yet act in the polar opposite way. I think you may need to look in the mirror for in all your commenting history you do believe in big govt and that’s pwogwessivism through and through Scott. That’s not at all liberal, is it. How can it be?

    I find the disconcerting amount of disharmony perpetrated in the name of god a reason to discount his existence

    Griff the key is understanding this is not God’s world at the moment, Satan is in control and the Slanderer and Deceiver is very very active now. This is the key. Do not mistake it or ignore it.

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  111. Griff (8,192 comments) says:

    I am not a pacifist
    you would have to have a very good reason to involve me personally in war
    If I believed that U had a reason to perpetrate war on an idea i would volunteer
    If i did not believe I would strenuously decline your invitation
    some heroes in our culture did just that
    New Zealanders including those in the first expeditionary force have a long history of declining further involvement in warfare

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  112. Griff (8,192 comments) says:

    Reid I find your view point confusing
    you seem to have a healthy disrespect for the mechanizations of the USA
    Yet your alignment to the anti science league disturbs me
    as to your intelligence and mana I have a healthy respect for your obvious intelligence and your ability to laugh at yourself

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  113. reid (16,633 comments) says:

    Whose talking about war Griff?

    All I’m saying is recognise evil is alive and working in this world, right here, right now, period. If you wish to imagine because God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent therefore this world should be a better place and the fact it isn’t is proof He doesn’t exist, I’m only explaining why this current world is indeed like you say it is. That’s all.

    Edit: Griff sorry if your above was addressed to someone else. If so, ignore.

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  114. reid (16,633 comments) says:

    you seem to have a healthy disrespect for the mechanizations of the USA

    No its just that like the way Israeli politicians treat their own citizens, so the USA politicians also treat their citizens, unbelievably, in the land of the free and the home of the brave, and the media in the US at least is in lockstep not with the citizen’s best interests but with the politicians best interests which in turn are dictated on a personal level by the media since re-election seems to be the only thing the US politicians care about but to get it they act against the best interests of their own constituencies.

    In other words, the whole check and balance system setup by the fore-fathers has broken down. Now, it seems, one side or the other doesn’t make any difference, over there, does it. Now, if really rich Wall Streeters get into trouble, since they donate a huge amount and hold huge amounts of media and other influence as well, it seems it doesn’t matter which side is in. Same with oil, technology, all sorts of sectors.

    In other words Griff, the US political system is broken. As evidenced by what’s been happening over there for the past few decades and what continues to happen.

    This is NOT repeat NOT repeat NOT a comment against the US as a country nor a comment against the people of the US of A, it’s a comment against their leadership and that’s not the same thing, at all.

    Yet your alignment to the anti science league disturbs me

    In what way am I anti-science Griff? (If I am, I’m quite disturbed about it, as well.)

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  115. Griff (8,192 comments) says:

    it is not just the media usa politicians are paid to campaign by the richest faction is not representative of all it is represented by those with money MMP is far more Representative of the majority of people first past the post will always give a result like the USA and england
    The evil and the righteous depends on were you stand on freedom
    There needs to be a liberal right party in new zealand its just those that are liberal can not agree with themselves let along present a united front
    as to the existence of evil “god did it you can not create one concept without creating the inverse

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  116. reid (16,633 comments) says:

    it is not just the media

    No of course not that was a mere example. What is not commonly understood is the extent of the web. It’s totally ubiquitous everywhere that counts and that’s too much for most people even to contemplate let alone accept and that’s why and how they get away with it.

    as to the existence of evil “god did it you can not create one concept without creating the inverse

    The entire Bible covers the story of Satan Griff, starting with Genesis and ending with Revelations. The reason Satan is called the Slanderer and the Deceiver, amongst other names, is because he makes some people think its Gods fault this world now, is like it is. If that’s not clever, nay diabolical slander and deception, then what is? Luckily God laid it all out, in the best-selling book in the world. Go figure. Seriously, this is not rocket science, it is laid out. Bible 101.

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  117. Weihana (4,586 comments) says:

    reid,


    God laid it all out, in the best-selling book in the world. Go figure. Seriously, this is not rocket science

    True, it’s not rocket science. Not science at all in fact. Just fairy tales for the common cave man.


    The reason Satan is called the Slanderer and the Deceiver, amongst other names, is because he makes some people think its Gods fault this world now, is like it is.

    I was wondering if God is impotent or evil and you just clarified it for me: he’s impotent. The all-powerful, the almighty, the all-knowing… outdone by the devil once again. Perhaps he expends too much effort trying to make images appear in toast. Perhaps he could try a more direct approach to communicating with his people. Oh that’s right he wrote a book… or actually he was too lazy to do it himself rather he got others to write it in a language few understand and which relatively few had access to. We humans have discovered how to broadcast messages all over the world in an instant. We can reach anyone if we want to. Yet God in all his glory seems unable to manage a global broadcast. He leaves cryptic clues for the wise to discover whilst everyone else burns in a pit of fire for all eternity simply because they don’t get it. This God sounds like an absolute cunt… or is he just mysterious?

    :)

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  118. reid (16,633 comments) says:

    outdone by the devil once again

    Weihana, it’s over to us to come to Him, not the other way round. And He is always available to an open and honest and repentant heart, no matter what that heart has done in the past.

    The purpose of temptation and sin is to allow us to build spiritual muscle by resisting it and its always very personal and God, if you ask Him, will always give you tools that work to do such. Same principle as going to the gym vs doing whatever one wishes to one’s own temple, or body, as is the modern vernacular. One suffers the consequences or reaps the benefits accordingly, depending what one’s decision is.

    God loves you and wants to save you from the consequences of your current life but if you don’t acknowledge Him before you die, you will suffer for that.

    Don’t imagine also, it’s a good idea to wait until your deathbed before finally asking Him for absolution. Even if He in His grace grants such, you’ll be a poor man in Heaven, and who wants to be poor, anywhere?

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  119. Weihana (4,586 comments) says:

    reid,

    The difference with the Gym is that they make an effort to let me know that they are just down the road and for a reasonable price will let me sweat all over their equipment. People who know that exercise is the key to a healthy life don’t expect people to just know it by magic, they research how the body works and demonstrate to us the benefits of fitness and then clearly communicate this knowledge to the rest of us.

    God does none of this. He requires us to suspend judgment. He runs away from us and hides and then casts us to the pit of fire simply because we can’t find him. He is so powerful yet he can’t be bothered with a simple booming voice from the sky telling us the righteous path, rather he expects us to discern it from various nutjobs and other dubious sources.

    Indeed he provides no means with which to discern his message from countless other messages which purport to be from other gods. How does one choose? Russian roulette? Is it a righteous god that casts people to the pit of fire because they place the wrong bets?

    By the way, what does it mean to be a poor man in heaven? Is there money in heaven? Do people trade in heaven? What is the local currency? Is it fiat currency? What do people trade? Where do you find the answers to these questions aside from your rectum?

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  120. reid (16,633 comments) says:

    Where do you find the answers to these questions

    In your heart first and the Bible second Weihana. Drop your skepticism and ask God with an honest heart to show you the way. Then go here and enter any keywords you want.

    This is your life you are talking about. If I were you, I’d consider the question that if religion really is as you clearly think it is, how come no other man in history has made such an impact on so many millions. 2,000 years from now, Jesus’ name will be as alive today as it has ever been. Who would have ever heard of Weihana, let alone any of the major figures of today’s transient world, such as Mandela, Churchill or any of the other humans?

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  121. Weihana (4,586 comments) says:

    Reid,

    Ask god? Sorry i don’t believe in imaginary friends. I do not accept that one’s “heart” is a satisfactory source for answers to questions about the nature of reality. Reality is properly understood through critical examination of evidence. Talking to imaginary friends is not a source of evidence.

    Rational people do not accept “the heart” as an answer to life’s problems. If I ask a surgeon to fix an ailing relative I do not expect him to use his heart I expect him to use his brain. Likewise if I ask a lawyer to represent someone I care about. But you don’t accept being held to the same standard. You want to say things but not have your assertions questioned and when straightforward questions are put to you, you respond with nonsense.

    Citing the bible is likewise not useful given that any particular interpretation, of which there are many, is chosen by the individual and so we are again faced with accepting assertions on the basis of someone’s imaginary friend.

    It is no wonder that the vast majority of scientists are not religious because if they employed your way of thinking to answer scientific problems we would still be living in the dark ages. Indeed it will be the giants of scientific enquiry such as Einstein and Hawking that will be remembered in future centuries as the fathers of a technologically sophisticated society while Jesus et al will be remembered alongside the likes of Zeus, Gaia, Maui and inumerable other myths and legends that befit more primitive society.

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