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More problems for Crown Prosecutors and flimsy eveidence appearing real.
Good verdict.
Problems for the current case involving the Urewera Four. Lots of video footage where the police have put thier interpretation on the scenes without being able to clearly identify and prove what is seen. e.g. it looked like they were throeing molotov cocktails. Pure conjecture because it was not able to be seen nor could it be proven in any way.
A Long overdue ruling.
Evidence must be real and not surmissed as much of the reported evidence is.
The crown contended Mr Wood killed his girlfriend because she wanted to end their relationship and he feared she would reveal personal and business details about his boss, Mr Rivkin.
“I am not persuaded of either of the motives suggested by the crown,” Justice McClelland said, adding there was no reliable evidence that Ms Byrne was contemplating leaving him.
“.. the suggested evidence of a motive involving Rivkin is so thin that it should never have been left with the jury.”
Associate Prof Cross conducted a series of “not particularly sophisticated” experiments” to establish where Ms Byrne could have jumped or been thrown to the location where her body was said to have been found.
“To my mind A/Prof Cross was allowed, without objection, to express opinions outside his field of specialised knowledge,” the judge said.
In his final address, Mr Tedeschi had put 50 questions to the jury, including a “killer point” about Mr Wood knowing exactly where her body was and it was “feet up”.
But Justice McClellan said this submission was “inevitably flawed” as all the evidence indicated the night was so dark that no one could have known precisely where she was.
Other questions invited speculation and were unreasonably prejudicial to Mr Wood.
“The difficulties which the prosecutor’s conduct created are so significant that I am satisfied it caused the trial to miscarry occasioning a miscarriage of justice,” he said.
On several occasions, the prosecutor “offered his own opinion as to how a person committing suicide would act” and an opinion about leaving messages.
The remarks should not have been made, he said.
“It was a serious breach of the prosecutor’s duty to put the crown case fairly before the jury.”
While it was possible Ms Byrne and Mr Wood were present together near the Gap on June 7, the judge said the evidence strongly suggests they had been misidentified.
Some of Mr Wood’s actions and statements before and after Ms Byrne died raised suspicion, the judge said.
“Some of his statements may be untrue,” he said.
“However, the law requires significantly more than suspicion before a person can be convicted of a crime.
“Even a high level of suspicion is not sufficient.”
Maybe if we all burn a koran each the entire muslim population around the world will kill each other. Another 12 dead in Afganistan after protests turn violent against the yanks burning ” a book “. Pfft..fools.
Only surprise here Monique is that Malcolm and the Nutter from Nelson aren’t there as well.
They should take the ship for a test run when the sea gets up a bit. Nothing like gyrating from the masthead. It ain’t not fun even when you are used to that sort of thing.
And lets face it many of our pioneers had to do just that, hanging onto rigging in storms.
Put life back into perspective for the stupid woman.
Greenpeace is admitting that it is using Lucy Lawless (Lawless by name; lawless by nature) to “gain maximum attention” around the world for its latest publicity stunt. What a pack of hypocrites they are…
Lawless had been invited to take part in the action to gain maximum attention, but said her concerns were genuine. “Everybody here is a true believer in the importance of heading off runaway climate change right now.”
They are so freaking mental it’s a wonder they can toilet themselves they’re so mental.
I mean it’s precisely the same stupidity as holding up a sign saying “war is bad.” Well duh. Of course its bad. But just saying its bad says nothing about how to stop it. Unless of course one of the passers-by is actually the war-making decision-maker to whom that thought has never occurred and which prevents them from making the actual decision to go to war that afternoon which they had been planning to do because they mistakenly believed that war was, in fact, good.
It’s the same thing here. If Gweenpeace and Lawless et al actually explained how to run the world without oil and gave us all a realistic roadmap on how to get there from where we are today, then maybe they’d be worth listening to. But they never do. All they ever do is state the drop dead bleeding obvious and the worst part is, they earnestly behave as if they really think they’re telling people something they didn’t already know.
And if anyone thinks they have given us a realistic roadmap by munting on about “alternative energy sources” then no, they haven’t. They haven’t even passed first base, which is convincing the world that their “runaway climate change” is actually more than just a pure fantasy in their own idiot heads. If they haven’t even done that, which they demonstrably haven’t given the level of global skepticism about their premise, then how the hell do they expect anything at all to achieve an actual real change? They’re behaving exactly like the hairdressers and telephone cleaners in Hitchhikers guide and really do all deserve exactly the same fate. A rocket ship to Mars would be a great thing for these people and I hope to see exactly that one day. Any politician who proposes that gets my vote, even if they’re from McGillicudy Serious.
It’s like one of those animal stamps the teacher puts on a five year old’s hand for going a whole day without soiling themselves, Monique. Except I think Lucy is closer to 45 but perhaps she’s just a bit slow.
If Lawless believes that Shell’s drilling for oil in the Arctic is going a step too far, then I support her right to market her cause in the most effective way she can. She is causing no substantial harm in the manner of her protest. If she were, I’d imagine she’d be arrested promptly.
@ Manolo; probably because they’re 53 metres above the deck of the ship, and it would be dangerous for police officers who may not have the skills and equipment to safely climb the tower to arrest them. Nature will take its course eventually, and with the rate at which Lawless is doing media interviews, there can’t be too much life left in her cellphone battery. And to go to the lowest common denominator; they’ll all have to have a dump eventually, and I can’t imagine Ms Lawless disrobing while the whole world’s watching!
…I support her right to market her cause in the most effective way she can. She is causing no substantial harm in the manner of her protest.
Scott haven’t you worked out yet that just because someone has a “right” to do something, this fact has nothing whatsoever to do with the question as to whether or not its a good idea to do it.
That’s pretty much logic 101 there buddy. If you can’t even make that distinction then you’re not going to get very far in life. Just saying, that’s all.
BTW, since she’s occupying private property, her “right” to do this is debatable, anyway.
Not only an eco- warrior but a Hollywood Star…. So when she gets convicted and has “form” her US visa/green card will be torn up? She then becomes an ex Hollywood star….. Silly bitch
@ Manolo; probably because they’re 53 metres above the deck of the ship, and it would be dangerous for police officers who may not have the skills and equipment to safely climb the tower to arrest them.
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She is causing no substantial harm in the manner of her protest.
Yes well where are they going to go. It’s a shame the police have to waste time hanging around until they come down. One would imagine they could usefully be doing other things, but I suppose the fact that victims of crime or road trauma can’t be assisted by those officers while they hang around waiting for them is neither here nor there to Lawless and Gweenpeace, which just goes to show how fundamentally flawed their thinking is in terms of morality and being human.
Of course, we tend to criticise ‘stars’ only when we disagree with the cause espoused. Is there anything inherently wrong with using one’s fame to promote one’s beliefs?
Then, according to reid, no protest could be justified if it takes police time away from what they should be doing.
@ mikenmild. you could ask Douglas Graham that very question as he might have a different perspective after his conviction.
I do admire a good protest as long as the argument for the person’s conviction is well articulated. At the moment I believe it’s a case of Lucy in the Sky with Dumbarses..
I admit that I hadn’t thought of the same point in respect of Graham, but the same thing applies – if you are moved to act because of some high-profile endorsement for a cause or an investment, then you might like to reconsider.
Is there anything inherently wrong with using one’s fame to promote one’s beliefs?
Heard of tilting at windmills, mm? Last I heard, that wasn’t a particularly effective way to spend ones time and this is what she and Gweenpeace are doing now and do everytime they do something like this. Wasting media space and people’s thinking time on this vapour when so many other profoundly important things are going on in the world, is why they shouldn’t do it. Sure, lots of other things happen to waste space as well, but just because they’re not the only ones doing it doesn’t mean they’re justified in doing it in this case, does it.
according to reid, no protest could be justified if it takes police time away from what they should be doing
As I explained above mm if they were doing something worthwhile like spelling out a realistic roadmap or even publicising a website where such could be found, that WOULD justify taking up Police time, but they’re not doing that, are they. Everyone already knows what they are saying, so why bother saying it at all. It’s as useful as saying the sky is blue and just as informative. That’s why they’re wrong and so are most protests, such as the ‘war is bad’ and ‘poverty is bad’ protests, as well.
If Lawless believes that Shell’s drilling for oil in the Arctic is going a step too far, then I support her right to market her cause in the most effective way she can. She is causing no substantial harm in the manner of her protest. If she were, I’d imagine she’d be arrested promptly.
So you support her right to trespass on the wharves owned by the Taranaki port company then Scott, and to stop the crew of the Noble Discoverer from going about their lawful business?
Ahh, but she is a ‘STAR’ which makes her so very much more important than the rest of the proles, so she has to be listened-to – that is her ‘right’ because she is a ‘star’. The fact that she is not currently ‘staring’ is of course of no consequence at all – more likely a ‘fading / fallen star.
Can’t wait for the breathless Women’s Weekly/New Idea/Day article titled ‘How I suffer for Greenpeace – my part in the New Plymouth protest – from Lucy Lawless – New Zealand’s very own superstar’. Investigative journalism at its worst.
Of course, we tend to criticise ‘stars’ only when we disagree with the cause espoused.
I can’t actually remember the last time a “star” espoused any cause I agreed with, although it may have been George Clooney in Three Kings, where the message was that the decent thing for a US GOP President to have done was to get rid of Saddam Hussein.
Tolerance of dissent and protest action is one mark of a liberal society. Within reasonable limits, we should be relaxed about this sort of activity. Again, reid, you seem to be saying that only protests you agree with could be worthwhile. Just because you disagree with Greenpeace does not by itself mean that they are incapable of making a reasonable case.
I hope that the boat sails on Sunday with Law-less and others on board.
It will soon get rough outside the harbour being so high up.
I wish I could block their mobile phones for a while.
BBBUUUTTT OSH will prevail, along with UN Unhuman Rights, and anything else to protect the stupid.
Keeping Stock says:- “So you support her right to trespass on the wharves owned by the Taranaki port company then Scott, and to stop the crew of the Noble Discoverer from going about their lawful business?”
Mikenmild says it best:
“Tolerance of dissent and protest action is one mark of a liberal society.”
Yes she is trespassing, and I think to be fair, she should be arrested if she refuses to move on peacefully.
Keeping Stock (7,256) Says:
February 25th, 2012 at 10:21 am
@ Manolo; probably because they’re 53 metres above the deck of the ship, and it would be dangerous for police officers who may not have the skills and equipment to safely climb the tower to arrest them. Nature will take its course eventually, and with the rate at which Lawless is doing media interviews, there can’t be too much life left in her cellphone battery. And to go to the lowest common denominator; they’ll all have to have a dump eventually, and I can’t imagine Ms Lawless disrobing while the whole world’s watching!
why not and just at that happens
A demonstration parade of helicopters with helicopters with full monsoon buckets that happened to unload above the rig would be interesting.
And just to speed up the process get the good guys to take her up some nice warm food laced with laxatives.
and I can’t imagine Ms Lawless disrobing while the whole world’s watching!
… you haven’t seen SPARTACUS then? Not that you have missed much – the series has about as much to do with history as did Gibson’s PASSION OF CHRIST
Lawless would seem to prostitute her values in more ways than just Greenpeace
There were some Greenpeace people outside my local Warehouse getting people to sign a petition to stop drilling for oil off New Zealand. I didn’t sign of course. One of them asked if I’d like to join Greenpeace anyway, and I said, nah it’s all political now, rather than being about the environment.
TV NZ and RNZ have led their news coverage with this trespass action by Greenpeace.
RNZ actually read the Greenpeace release ie “long ,cold night ” up in the rig etc.
Our taxpayer owned news agencies are complicit in this Greenpeace propaganda stunt.
I object to these louts being called “activists” or “protesters”. They are trespassing on private property and interfering with a lawful business . They are also wasting police time.
Tolerance of dissent and protest action is one mark of a liberal society. Within reasonable limits, we should be relaxed about this sort of activity. Again, reid, you seem to be saying that only protests you agree with could be worthwhile. Just because you disagree with Greenpeace does not by itself mean that they are incapable of making a reasonable case.
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Mikenmild says it best: “Tolerance of dissent and protest action is one mark of a liberal society.”
WTF is wrong with leftist thinking patterns that time after time after time they conflate a critique of someone’s actions on the grounds of profound pointlessness with a critique that says they don’t have the wight to do it?
mm and Scott, get this through your thick skulls once and for all because you and lefties like you raise it time and time and time again. WTF is wrong with you? Where have I said Lawless does not have a RIGHT to do what she is doing? You can’t find it, because I haven’t said it. Have I? No, I haven’t. So why do you accuse me of being intolerant toward Lawless? Newsflash idiots: tolerance of a human right DOES NOT EQUATE TO THE NECESSITY TO AGREE THAT THEIR PROTEST IS WORTHWHILE AND IT DOES NOT EQUATE TO THE NECESSITY TO AVOID POINTING OUT THAT THROUGH THEIR POINTLESS ACTIONS WHICH ACHIEVE NOTHING, THEY’RE NOT AIDING AND ABETTING ROAD AND CRIME TRAUMA, EITHER.
That’s all I said above, isn’t it. Yes, it is.
Is that quite clear? Honestly, your collective thinking has the insight, maturity and depth of a 10 year old child’s. It does. I wish you’d grow up but apparently, you get so emotional about the whole fucking thing, it’s simply impossible for you to draw that elementary distinction I alluded to above and which I have been careful to draw throughout my posts today.
I’m so glad I’ve never been infected with leftist thinking. It would just drive me nuts, as it would any thinking person.
Why no jail for those four who include two ex-politicians ?
They jailed that ex-MP from Mangere for fraud and I see fuck all difference in their crimes.
Losing their part free travel is a start, but five years in the clink would be even better.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/6471887/Exhibition-cancelled-after-iwi-object-to-content
The bubbles would have been made partly from water previously used to wash dead bodies
Victoria University’s head of the school of Maori studies, Peter Adds, said superstition was a “loaded” word and any objections to the exhibition would have been based on a deeply entrenched cultural belief for many Maori.
“People would have inadvertently placed themselves in danger and Maori people would have treated the people as being contaminated.
“Those people would have been treated with a degree of caution. Maori don’t muck around with issues of tapu.
So don’t go to the exhibition
Its a bit of woo to the rest of us “superstition”
Being dead is an inevitable consequence of living .
The water you drink properly dribbled out of a dinosaurs appendage during rutting season That does not make it magic in any way
“What’s this then?”
“Water from a Mexican morgue – been used to wash cadavers”
“What are you going to do with it?”
“Blow bubbles”
“Yeah ? – why?”
“So that people. especially little children, who see joy and happiness in such a simple but intrinsically universally appreciated pleasure, may be totally disillusioned when we reveal the origin of the water and they will marvel at the intellectual brilliance of our artistic expression bringing them crashing back to reality.”
“Like displaying the Easter bunny gnawing its own leg off because it is clamped in a gin-trap – or the Tooth Fairy mugged and gang–raped because she’s a fairy after all?”
“Yes, you’ve got it”
“Well, you can go stand in the Agriculture queue behind the guy with the kiwifruit pollen, or try the red queue with the people bringing in artificial marijuana and other stuff that we don’t have a fucking clue as to what its actual contents are. But you may have a little wait …”
“Why?”
“Because nearly all of our border patrol persons are trying to talk Xena down from a 53 metre erection in Port Taranaki.”
reid says:- “I’m so glad I’ve never been infected with leftist thinking. It would just drive me nuts, as it would any thinking person.”
I think in your case the train to Nuttsville left the station some time ago. Liberalism, like science is founded on reason, which is as far from insanity as humans are capable of being.
Conservatism on the other hand is an inherently deranged philosophy because in seeking to achieve a state of idyllic changelessness the conservative will desperately hold onto his ideals as a frame of reference whilst the world around him inevitably evolves into something completely incomprehensible and seemingly insane.
I can’t find a story on the BBC site to link to, but a day ago I heard an interesting story on the BBC world service on the issue of korans. The interviewer was speaking to an islamic scholar about how to dispose of old unwanted korans. It turns out that the right way to do it IS to burn them, but by themselves and not with other waste.
No doubt offended dimwits would invent other factors – that they have to be burnt by a muslim or something.
Just watching the cricket and the thought came to me that if they take the Knighthood off Sir Douglas they should give it to the groundsman that mowed the geometrically perfect, alternating diamonds of the cake tin outfield. Must use a laser sight on his tractor.
BB, better to let them freeze their arse off at the top of the tower for a day or so then take them for a test drive at a slow pace in a nice sloppy sea. Won’t want to do that again once that happens. Not all fun.
I note that itwaqs said the had food for a couple of days. HMMM well leave then there for 4 and then go ride about barricading them from coming down. Just so much fun to be had.
The crave for fame can be a good thing. A great motivator.
But why is it that the likes of Lucy Lawless and, say, Sean Penn for example (and even, but at a much more
primitive level, Robin Malcolm) feel they have to surpass their level of competence and crave more and more ?
Even that sheila who acted in Wave Rider is on the same bandwagon. She knows more about global warming than
you will ever know.
Does success in art give them delusions of grandeur ?
What could it be ?
Maybe a psycologist correspondent could provide some insight.
There seem to be legions of actors and actresses who feel that they automatically become experts on everything under the sun. Why?
Liberalism, like science is founded on reason, which is as far from insanity as humans are capable of being.
Scott, Liberalism is Communism. Of course people like you hate being called commies so you call yourselves something really stupid like a “pwogwessive” to make idiots think you’re forward looking and kind and gentle creatures and it’s the way of the future but your playbook, as evidenced by everything you guys say, is straight from 1917. Sorry, it is.
Well, I’m not sorry, actually. If people like you are stupid enough to be fooled into thinking collectivism and state control is the way to go given today’s understanding of what works and what doesn’t, then I’m afraid I have no sympathy whatsoever in fact I have utter contempt for your pathetic collective intellects since even when its all combined you guys still can’t come up with anything which will make the slightest dent in anything you claim to care about, be it the planet, be it war, be it poverty or any other stupid cause you care to name. In fact it’s even worse since your ideas aren’t even neutral, they’re all negative, in that they exacerbate the very condition you claim to wish to address. Hence my complete and utter contempt, not for you as human beings, but for your stupid and pathetic ideas.
You know what makes me laugh? Your pwogwessive delusion that pwogwessives are the ones who weally care about people. I mean, take poverty. To you, the only repeat only solution to you idiots is to re-distribute. Leaving aside the impracticality of actually implementing that, WTF do you guys think makes poor people poor in the first place? And if they are poor and we give them a little bit more, what makes you think the same thing which caused their poverty won’t rear its ugly head and cause them to fritter away whatever it is you think society should give them, leaving them right back where they started and the rest of us just that little bit less keen on participating in your next mental idea.
Well, it would be funny, were it not we’re talking about real human beings who do need help, just not your pwogwessive kind of help, that’s the last thing they need.
You know what makes me disgusted? Your insufferable arrogance that you’re the only ones who care about helping people to the point where if people don’t agree with you it means by definition they’re heartless beasts. That’s just fucking mental, but pwogwessives have such hubris coming out your ears, don’t you. Isn’t that disgusting. Who the fuck do you guys think you are?
“The real story in this Fakegate scandal is how the global warming movement is desperate, delusional and collapsing as global warming fails to live up to alarmist predictions. People with sound science on their side do not need to forge documents to validate their arguments or make the other side look bad. Also, people who are so desperate as to forge documents in an attempt to frame their rivals are clearly not above forging scientific data, studies and facts to similarly further their cause.
It is both striking and telling how global warming activists have failed to condemn the acts of forgery in the Fakegate scandal. For global warming activists, the ends justify the means – any means necessary to sell their alarmist message, even if they must sink to forgery and fakery…It is also worth noting that Gleick repeatedly claims in his confession that his misconduct was motivated by a desire to create a rational public debate on global warming and that he was trying to fight back against the people he claims are seeking to prevent such a debate. Yet in January 2012 the Heartland Institute cordially invited Gleick to publicly debate me at our 2012 annual benefit dinner. All Gleick would had to have done is defeat me in that debate and he could have accomplished his twin goals of promoting public debate and embarrassing the Heartland Institute. Yet Gleick declined to participate in such a fair and open debate, and then on the very next day committed his acts of fraud and theft against the Heartland Institute.
Beyond our invitation to Gleick, the Heartland Institute has cordially invited dozens of scientists who believe humans are creating a global warming crisis to give presentations and to debate skeptics at our annual global warming conferences. Only one such scientist has ever accepted our offer.
If Gleick is indeed concerned about people preventing a public debate on global warming, he perhaps should have targeted his global warming activist colleagues rather than the Heartland Institute.
It’s also worth pointing out that Gleick has previously declared the debate over, though now he tries to pathetically justify his unethical behaviour and his lies on the grounds that, er, sceptics have tried to shut down debate.
What time does the ship leave port? Leave the silly bitch and supporters onboard for a little journey.
Imagine the headlines, ‘Noble Discovery crew and Shell take famous Actor and others hostage’
Fuck off Ryan, fuck off Greenpeace
When was the last time you saw this headline http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/meat-workers-locked-indefinitely-4742421
Meat workers to be locked-out indefinitely
How much times have changed this was once the headline every killing season
if scab labor can do it cheaper so be it
Some times they can not the experience in your long term workers can not be replaced that easily
Lots of damage hes been done to industry due to employers not valuing the workforce
Protester pulled off oil-drilling ship and arrested
updated 18:52
Published: 7:00AM Saturday February 25, 2012 Source: ONE News
Protester pulled off oil-drilling ship and arrested (Source: Supplied)
Lucy Lawless on the Noble Discoverer – Source: Supplied
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Lucy Lawless to spend night on-board oil ship watch
20:03 Lucy Lawless among Greenpeace protesters (2:44)
An Auckland man among a group of Greenpeace protesters, who have climbed aboard an oil-drilling ship in Taranaki, has been arrested.
wat, I’ve been following this story from the outset. amazing stuff. i’m seeing a significant shift in thinking/blogging/discussions around the whole CAGW topic over the last few months. the number that still believe we’re on a tragectory to self-inflicted doom is plummeting. this will force those that are receiving large ‘research’/'advocacy’ grants to become more desperate as their public funding drys up. it’s delicious to watch
Names
First Child: Your name was inspired by a woman of royalty. She was
loved by millions.
Second Child: Your name was inspired by a beloved member of the family.
Everyone adored her.
Third Child: Your name was inspired by my favorite professional
wrestler, Hulk Hogan. He could beat the crap out of anybody.
Holding the new baby
First Child: We’re the only ones who can hold her.
Second Child: You can hold her, but you have to wash your hands first.
Third Child: Someone please hold this kid for me!
Food and Feeding
First Child: I will feed you only pesticide-free organic foods that
I’ve prepared by hand in a carefully-sanitized kitchen.
Second Child: I will feed you baby foods from a jar that don’t have
preservatives or additives.
Third Child: Do you want weetbix or toast for breakfast?
Safety
First Child: Don’t run in the house. You could fall and hurt yourself.
Second Child: Don’t run with scissors.
Third Child: Don’t play with Daddy’s good chainsaw.
Sleeping/Naps
First Child: You need to go to bed by 8:30.
Second Child: You need to go to bed by 9:00.
Third Child: It’s 11:30, I’m going to bed. Turn the TV off when you’re
finished.
Television watching
First Child: You can watch one hour of educational TV per day.
Second Child: You can watch two hours of regular TV per day.
Third Child: My TV is broken, can I watch yours?
Bathing
First Child: Your baths will be a mixture of sparkling spring water and
pasteurized milk with essential oils
Second Child: Your baths will be a mixture of warm water and baby oil
Third Child: We’ll hose you off in the backyard twice a week.
On behalf of all the third children here I would like to congratulate you on your choice of minorities singled out for ridicule today.
Third child gets reality from the start.
As a first child I was always reminded of the extra attention I doubtlessly received. A little reflection on the subject made me realise that I was used for practise.
It still makes a change for a minority to laugh at their predicament
Oh be it that all minorities could laugh at them selfs
BillyT had it down pat
Sad that such humor died young
The naked Samoans have a good view of the conundrum long may they laugh at being a minority.
I’ve been watching coverage of the NZ Eight Ball Pool Championships and, I have to say, it’s come a long way since the days of unshaven, beer-swilling, fat, sweaty Aucklanders in dark, smoke-filled rooms.
Cat Stevens and Mohamed Ali
Two Muslims that were unfairly discriminated against due to their superstitious belief
Better to stamp out all superstition than focus on the failings of one
Because you are all the same.to me.
Rational vs the boggy man.
UM: So you’re sure about this – that the Obama campaign is doing this “pump and dump” as you put it?
Insider: No doubt whatsoever. I know it because I’ve helped to do it myself. Many times. Many campaigns. They slipped up a bit though – they left a clear marker for folks to see if they were actually paying attention. Which of course, most aren’t. Even ones like yourself who think they are…who think they are following all of this…you’re missing it.
UM: What was the mark?
Insider: Marker.
UM: What was the marker?
Insider: There was a debate not so far back – Republican debate. And the moderator kept hammerin’ away on the contraception issue. And there was no contraception issue at that time, right? Contraception? Really? Where the hell did that come from? And why did that moderator keep at it like he did? Repeatedly. It came off like a joke. People were sayin’ how stupid it was. How silly the media looked. You remember that?
UM: I do. Stephanopoulos, right? He was the moderator who kept bringing up the issue?
Insider: That’s right, George was pushing it. F-cking George. He is so transparent. I saw it immediately. Telegraphed it. I knew the second I saw his face as he asked the question – I KNEW they were setting something up. Not then – something for later. And now we see that plan unfolding. This false contraception boogie man issue.
Now that debate was over two months ago. And the issue of contraception, which seemed totally out of left field when it was raised during that debate – totally out of place…what is going on now? What is the media pounding on now?
UM: Contraception.
Insider: That’s right – contraception. It started out with a conflict between the Obama administration and the Catholic Church – but sure as sh-t the Obama team and the media have turned it into an issue over contraception and are painting the Republicans as these out of touch Bible thumpin’ radicals who want to take away women’s birth control. That is how this thing is being framed NOW – and it’s exactly how Stephanopoulos framed the question THEN over two months ago. This issue was being set up the whole time. And did you notice who was involved in the debate question first? What candidate?
UM: Santorum. Damn…it was Santorum.
Insider: Ah – there’s your light bulb moment for the day!
…Any of these Republicans – ANY OF THEM, are a hell of an improvement over Barack Obama. If it’s Santorum, or Romney, or Gingrich, or Paul…you fall in line and you support that candidate and you vote Obama the f-ck out. That’s the goal. That’s your motivation. PERIOD.
The “Insider” is the same guy who gave me the tip I passed on to you a few months ago that Obama was going to play the race card. I passed it onto you at the time since I considered it possible given who Obama is in terms of his history and behaviour. Of course I don’t know what the Insider’s evidence is or who he is, but I passed it on since looking at Obama’s background and dubious record thus far it could conceivably be a tactic in his particular twisted toolbox and it would have horrendous consequences, given the huge number of poor, young, angry and well armed black people in the large urbans who are, along with many others, doing very badly as the US’s very own GFC plays itself out. And if the US President does this, the US President, no less, well, enough said, right?
So who knows.
IF this is the same guy and I don’t know if this “Insider” is the same as another “Insider” who used to post on other sites during Bush 43, he is like me, in that he sees deep corruption, including murder and destruction on both sides of the US political fence.
Treat it as a conspiracy theory if you like, it’s certainly a theory, no doubt about that. How else could it not be, given none of us have evidence? But “by their actions ye shall know them” is a useful phrase to consider, in these times.
sorry kowtow
I have been digging post holes all day
one bourbon and cola = one post hole
thus my posts have decade pleasurably as the night has worn on
there is with out doubt an anti Muslim feeling being propagated by the USA
I find fault on both the Cristian and Muslim side
for me as a dedicated atheist you could say a hard atheist\
I find the disconcerting amount of disharmony perpetrated in the name of god a reason to discount his existence
never the less your contribution as a Cristian is still valued as any contribution to debate should be
cat Stevens was blacklisted for ne’er on a generation Mohamed Ali was stripped of his title for being a Muslim
Liberalism, like science is founded on reason, which is as far from insanity as humans are capable of being.
Conservatism on the other hand is an inherently deranged philosophy because in seeking to achieve a state of idyllic changelessness the conservative will desperately hold onto his ideals as a frame of reference whilst the world around him inevitably evolves into something completely incomprehensible and seemingly insane.
I see, Scott. Tell me, is “liberalism” pwogwessive, or is it something else? On the assumption its not different, how come “liberalism” advocates bigger govt is the solution for one would have thought this the opposite of “liberalism.” This seems a bit insane to be quite honest Scott. I mean its one thing for an educated mind to be able to entertain polar opposites at one and the same time and quite another for a mind to believe one thing and yet act in the polar opposite way. I think you may need to look in the mirror for in all your commenting history you do believe in big govt and that’s pwogwessivism through and through Scott. That’s not at all liberal, is it. How can it be?
I find the disconcerting amount of disharmony perpetrated in the name of god a reason to discount his existence
Griff the key is understanding this is not God’s world at the moment, Satan is in control and the Slanderer and Deceiver is very very active now. This is the key. Do not mistake it or ignore it.
I am not a pacifist
you would have to have a very good reason to involve me personally in war
If I believed that U had a reason to perpetrate war on an idea i would volunteer
If i did not believe I would strenuously decline your invitation
some heroes in our culture did just that
New Zealanders including those in the first expeditionary force have a long history of declining further involvement in warfare
Reid I find your view point confusing
you seem to have a healthy disrespect for the mechanizations of the USA
Yet your alignment to the anti science league disturbs me
as to your intelligence and mana I have a healthy respect for your obvious intelligence and your ability to laugh at yourself
All I’m saying is recognise evil is alive and working in this world, right here, right now, period. If you wish to imagine because God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent therefore this world should be a better place and the fact it isn’t is proof He doesn’t exist, I’m only explaining why this current world is indeed like you say it is. That’s all.
Edit: Griff sorry if your above was addressed to someone else. If so, ignore.
you seem to have a healthy disrespect for the mechanizations of the USA
No its just that like the way Israeli politicians treat their own citizens, so the USA politicians also treat their citizens, unbelievably, in the land of the free and the home of the brave, and the media in the US at least is in lockstep not with the citizen’s best interests but with the politicians best interests which in turn are dictated on a personal level by the media since re-election seems to be the only thing the US politicians care about but to get it they act against the best interests of their own constituencies.
In other words, the whole check and balance system setup by the fore-fathers has broken down. Now, it seems, one side or the other doesn’t make any difference, over there, does it. Now, if really rich Wall Streeters get into trouble, since they donate a huge amount and hold huge amounts of media and other influence as well, it seems it doesn’t matter which side is in. Same with oil, technology, all sorts of sectors.
In other words Griff, the US political system is broken. As evidenced by what’s been happening over there for the past few decades and what continues to happen.
This is NOT repeat NOT repeat NOT a comment against the US as a country nor a comment against the people of the US of A, it’s a comment against their leadership and that’s not the same thing, at all.
Yet your alignment to the anti science league disturbs me
In what way am I anti-science Griff? (If I am, I’m quite disturbed about it, as well.)
it is not just the media usa politicians are paid to campaign by the richest faction is not representative of all it is represented by those with money MMP is far more Representative of the majority of people first past the post will always give a result like the USA and england
The evil and the righteous depends on were you stand on freedom
There needs to be a liberal right party in new zealand its just those that are liberal can not agree with themselves let along present a united front
as to the existence of evil “god did it you can not create one concept without creating the inverse
No of course not that was a mere example. What is not commonly understood is the extent of the web. It’s totally ubiquitous everywhere that counts and that’s too much for most people even to contemplate let alone accept and that’s why and how they get away with it.
as to the existence of evil “god did it you can not create one concept without creating the inverse
The entire Bible covers the story of Satan Griff, starting with Genesis and ending with Revelations. The reason Satan is called the Slanderer and the Deceiver, amongst other names, is because he makes some people think its Gods fault this world now, is like it is. If that’s not clever, nay diabolical slander and deception, then what is? Luckily God laid it all out, in the best-selling book in the world. Go figure. Seriously, this is not rocket science, it is laid out. Bible 101.
God laid it all out, in the best-selling book in the world. Go figure. Seriously, this is not rocket science
True, it’s not rocket science. Not science at all in fact. Just fairy tales for the common cave man.
The reason Satan is called the Slanderer and the Deceiver, amongst other names, is because he makes some people think its Gods fault this world now, is like it is.
I was wondering if God is impotent or evil and you just clarified it for me: he’s impotent. The all-powerful, the almighty, the all-knowing… outdone by the devil once again. Perhaps he expends too much effort trying to make images appear in toast. Perhaps he could try a more direct approach to communicating with his people. Oh that’s right he wrote a book… or actually he was too lazy to do it himself rather he got others to write it in a language few understand and which relatively few had access to. We humans have discovered how to broadcast messages all over the world in an instant. We can reach anyone if we want to. Yet God in all his glory seems unable to manage a global broadcast. He leaves cryptic clues for the wise to discover whilst everyone else burns in a pit of fire for all eternity simply because they don’t get it. This God sounds like an absolute cunt… or is he just mysterious?
Weihana, it’s over to us to come to Him, not the other way round. And He is always available to an open and honest and repentant heart, no matter what that heart has done in the past.
The purpose of temptation and sin is to allow us to build spiritual muscle by resisting it and its always very personal and God, if you ask Him, will always give you tools that work to do such. Same principle as going to the gym vs doing whatever one wishes to one’s own temple, or body, as is the modern vernacular. One suffers the consequences or reaps the benefits accordingly, depending what one’s decision is.
God loves you and wants to save you from the consequences of your current life but if you don’t acknowledge Him before you die, you will suffer for that.
Don’t imagine also, it’s a good idea to wait until your deathbed before finally asking Him for absolution. Even if He in His grace grants such, you’ll be a poor man in Heaven, and who wants to be poor, anywhere?
The difference with the Gym is that they make an effort to let me know that they are just down the road and for a reasonable price will let me sweat all over their equipment. People who know that exercise is the key to a healthy life don’t expect people to just know it by magic, they research how the body works and demonstrate to us the benefits of fitness and then clearly communicate this knowledge to the rest of us.
God does none of this. He requires us to suspend judgment. He runs away from us and hides and then casts us to the pit of fire simply because we can’t find him. He is so powerful yet he can’t be bothered with a simple booming voice from the sky telling us the righteous path, rather he expects us to discern it from various nutjobs and other dubious sources.
Indeed he provides no means with which to discern his message from countless other messages which purport to be from other gods. How does one choose? Russian roulette? Is it a righteous god that casts people to the pit of fire because they place the wrong bets?
By the way, what does it mean to be a poor man in heaven? Is there money in heaven? Do people trade in heaven? What is the local currency? Is it fiat currency? What do people trade? Where do you find the answers to these questions aside from your rectum?
In your heart first and the Bible second Weihana. Drop your skepticism and ask God with an honest heart to show you the way. Then go here and enter any keywords you want.
This is your life you are talking about. If I were you, I’d consider the question that if religion really is as you clearly think it is, how come no other man in history has made such an impact on so many millions. 2,000 years from now, Jesus’ name will be as alive today as it has ever been. Who would have ever heard of Weihana, let alone any of the major figures of today’s transient world, such as Mandela, Churchill or any of the other humans?
Ask god? Sorry i don’t believe in imaginary friends. I do not accept that one’s “heart” is a satisfactory source for answers to questions about the nature of reality. Reality is properly understood through critical examination of evidence. Talking to imaginary friends is not a source of evidence.
Rational people do not accept “the heart” as an answer to life’s problems. If I ask a surgeon to fix an ailing relative I do not expect him to use his heart I expect him to use his brain. Likewise if I ask a lawyer to represent someone I care about. But you don’t accept being held to the same standard. You want to say things but not have your assertions questioned and when straightforward questions are put to you, you respond with nonsense.
Citing the bible is likewise not useful given that any particular interpretation, of which there are many, is chosen by the individual and so we are again faced with accepting assertions on the basis of someone’s imaginary friend.
It is no wonder that the vast majority of scientists are not religious because if they employed your way of thinking to answer scientific problems we would still be living in the dark ages. Indeed it will be the giants of scientific enquiry such as Einstein and Hawking that will be remembered in future centuries as the fathers of a technologically sophisticated society while Jesus et al will be remembered alongside the likes of Zeus, Gaia, Maui and inumerable other myths and legends that befit more primitive society.
February 25th, 2012 at 8:02 am
Aha get out of bed you lazy buggers.
Vote:Its stopped rianing.
February 25th, 2012 at 8:04 am
Hoping for a fine afternoon here in Welly for the cricket.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 8:07 am
More problems for Crown Prosecutors and flimsy eveidence appearing real.
Good verdict.
Problems for the current case involving the Urewera Four. Lots of video footage where the police have put thier interpretation on the scenes without being able to clearly identify and prove what is seen. e.g. it looked like they were throeing molotov cocktails. Pure conjecture because it was not able to be seen nor could it be proven in any way.
A Long overdue ruling.
Evidence must be real and not surmissed as much of the reported evidence is.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/6478945/Death-may-have-been-suicide-not-murder
The crown contended Mr Wood killed his girlfriend because she wanted to end their relationship and he feared she would reveal personal and business details about his boss, Mr Rivkin.
“I am not persuaded of either of the motives suggested by the crown,” Justice McClelland said, adding there was no reliable evidence that Ms Byrne was contemplating leaving him.
“.. the suggested evidence of a motive involving Rivkin is so thin that it should never have been left with the jury.”
Associate Prof Cross conducted a series of “not particularly sophisticated” experiments” to establish where Ms Byrne could have jumped or been thrown to the location where her body was said to have been found.
“To my mind A/Prof Cross was allowed, without objection, to express opinions outside his field of specialised knowledge,” the judge said.
In his final address, Mr Tedeschi had put 50 questions to the jury, including a “killer point” about Mr Wood knowing exactly where her body was and it was “feet up”.
But Justice McClellan said this submission was “inevitably flawed” as all the evidence indicated the night was so dark that no one could have known precisely where she was.
Other questions invited speculation and were unreasonably prejudicial to Mr Wood.
“The difficulties which the prosecutor’s conduct created are so significant that I am satisfied it caused the trial to miscarry occasioning a miscarriage of justice,” he said.
On several occasions, the prosecutor “offered his own opinion as to how a person committing suicide would act” and an opinion about leaving messages.
The remarks should not have been made, he said.
“It was a serious breach of the prosecutor’s duty to put the crown case fairly before the jury.”
While it was possible Ms Byrne and Mr Wood were present together near the Gap on June 7, the judge said the evidence strongly suggests they had been misidentified.
Some of Mr Wood’s actions and statements before and after Ms Byrne died raised suspicion, the judge said.
“Some of his statements may be untrue,” he said.
“However, the law requires significantly more than suspicion before a person can be convicted of a crime.
“Even a high level of suspicion is not sufficient.”
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 8:15 am
Celebrity grandstanding.
http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2012/02/frack-it-lucy-lawless.html
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 8:17 am
Maybe if we all burn a koran each the entire muslim population around the world will kill each other. Another 12 dead in Afganistan after protests turn violent against the yanks burning ” a book “. Pfft..fools.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 8:25 am
Only surprise here Monique is that Malcolm and the Nutter from Nelson aren’t there as well.
Vote:They should take the ship for a test run when the sea gets up a bit. Nothing like gyrating from the masthead. It ain’t not fun even when you are used to that sort of thing.
And lets face it many of our pioneers had to do just that, hanging onto rigging in storms.
Put life back into perspective for the stupid woman.
February 25th, 2012 at 8:43 am
I’ve been called humourless on a blog on child abuse for criticising this: A modest proposal, indeed.
For expressing my displeasure I was accused of tedious moralizing and fundamental humourless amongst other things.
Try wit instead – we’re all urbane intellectuals here, remember? The more rarified and erudite the better.
That’s the Dim intellectuals. My guess is childless (Danyl isn’t but he was serious).
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Do you have any favourite recipes for Mangere child fillet?
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 8:59 am
mikenmild – is child abuse a joke to you? It isn’t funny for the kids.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 9:06 am
What isn’t a joke? Humour can be very broadening.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 9:20 am
Greenpeace is admitting that it is using Lucy Lawless (Lawless by name; lawless by nature) to “gain maximum attention” around the world for its latest publicity stunt. What a pack of hypocrites they are…
http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/02/greenpeace-achieves-its-aim.html
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 9:45 am
How and why he became Treasury Secretary is a mystery to many: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/geithner-privilege-being-american-why-rich-need-higher-taxes_631859.html
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 10:03 am
They are so freaking mental it’s a wonder they can toilet themselves they’re so mental.
I mean it’s precisely the same stupidity as holding up a sign saying “war is bad.” Well duh. Of course its bad. But just saying its bad says nothing about how to stop it. Unless of course one of the passers-by is actually the war-making decision-maker to whom that thought has never occurred and which prevents them from making the actual decision to go to war that afternoon which they had been planning to do because they mistakenly believed that war was, in fact, good.
It’s the same thing here. If Gweenpeace and Lawless et al actually explained how to run the world without oil and gave us all a realistic roadmap on how to get there from where we are today, then maybe they’d be worth listening to. But they never do. All they ever do is state the drop dead bleeding obvious and the worst part is, they earnestly behave as if they really think they’re telling people something they didn’t already know.
And if anyone thinks they have given us a realistic roadmap by munting on about “alternative energy sources” then no, they haven’t. They haven’t even passed first base, which is convincing the world that their “runaway climate change” is actually more than just a pure fantasy in their own idiot heads. If they haven’t even done that, which they demonstrably haven’t given the level of global skepticism about their premise, then how the hell do they expect anything at all to achieve an actual real change? They’re behaving exactly like the hairdressers and telephone cleaners in Hitchhikers guide and really do all deserve exactly the same fate. A rocket ship to Mars would be a great thing for these people and I hope to see exactly that one day. Any politician who proposes that gets my vote, even if they’re from McGillicudy Serious.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Why is the NZ Police so lenient with the eco-terrorists? http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6478502/Lawless-warrior-actress-in-protest
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Re Lawless, WTF is a climate change ambassador?
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Re Lawless, WTF is a climate change ambassador?
It’s like one of those animal stamps the teacher puts on a five year old’s hand for going a whole day without soiling themselves, Monique. Except I think Lucy is closer to 45 but perhaps she’s just a bit slow.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 10:16 am
If Lawless believes that Shell’s drilling for oil in the Arctic is going a step too far, then I support her right to market her cause in the most effective way she can. She is causing no substantial harm in the manner of her protest. If she were, I’d imagine she’d be arrested promptly.
Rather fancy her myself to be honest.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Lucy can’t be much of a mother/wife climbing up rigs….does she not actually work and do her own washing, folding, cleaning, cooking, etc?
Being a crusader is easy with nannies in tow.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Greenpeace was once genuine. I donated to them.
Greenpeace now is a disease, full of scum and filth, and it attracts attention seekers who are not genuine
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 10:21 am
@ Manolo; probably because they’re 53 metres above the deck of the ship, and it would be dangerous for police officers who may not have the skills and equipment to safely climb the tower to arrest them. Nature will take its course eventually, and with the rate at which Lawless is doing media interviews, there can’t be too much life left in her cellphone battery. And to go to the lowest common denominator; they’ll all have to have a dump eventually, and I can’t imagine Ms Lawless disrobing while the whole world’s watching!
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 10:22 am
…I support her right to market her cause in the most effective way she can. She is causing no substantial harm in the manner of her protest.
Scott haven’t you worked out yet that just because someone has a “right” to do something, this fact has nothing whatsoever to do with the question as to whether or not its a good idea to do it.
That’s pretty much logic 101 there buddy. If you can’t even make that distinction then you’re not going to get very far in life. Just saying, that’s all.
BTW, since she’s occupying private property, her “right” to do this is debatable, anyway.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Not only an eco- warrior but a Hollywood Star…. So when she gets convicted and has “form” her US visa/green card will be torn up? She then becomes an ex Hollywood star….. Silly bitch
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 10:28 am
@ Manolo; probably because they’re 53 metres above the deck of the ship, and it would be dangerous for police officers who may not have the skills and equipment to safely climb the tower to arrest them.
and
She is causing no substantial harm in the manner of her protest.
Yes well where are they going to go. It’s a shame the police have to waste time hanging around until they come down. One would imagine they could usefully be doing other things, but I suppose the fact that victims of crime or road trauma can’t be assisted by those officers while they hang around waiting for them is neither here nor there to Lawless and Gweenpeace, which just goes to show how fundamentally flawed their thinking is in terms of morality and being human.
They really are appalling people aren’t they.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Of course, we tend to criticise ‘stars’ only when we disagree with the cause espoused. Is there anything inherently wrong with using one’s fame to promote one’s beliefs?
Then, according to reid, no protest could be justified if it takes police time away from what they should be doing.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 10:32 am
@ mikenmild. you could ask Douglas Graham that very question as he might have a different perspective after his conviction.
Vote:I do admire a good protest as long as the argument for the person’s conviction is well articulated. At the moment I believe it’s a case of Lucy in the Sky with Dumbarses..
February 25th, 2012 at 10:37 am
I admit that I hadn’t thought of the same point in respect of Graham, but the same thing applies – if you are moved to act because of some high-profile endorsement for a cause or an investment, then you might like to reconsider.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Is there anything inherently wrong with using one’s fame to promote one’s beliefs?
Heard of tilting at windmills, mm? Last I heard, that wasn’t a particularly effective way to spend ones time and this is what she and Gweenpeace are doing now and do everytime they do something like this. Wasting media space and people’s thinking time on this vapour when so many other profoundly important things are going on in the world, is why they shouldn’t do it. Sure, lots of other things happen to waste space as well, but just because they’re not the only ones doing it doesn’t mean they’re justified in doing it in this case, does it.
according to reid, no protest could be justified if it takes police time away from what they should be doing
As I explained above mm if they were doing something worthwhile like spelling out a realistic roadmap or even publicising a website where such could be found, that WOULD justify taking up Police time, but they’re not doing that, are they. Everyone already knows what they are saying, so why bother saying it at all. It’s as useful as saying the sky is blue and just as informative. That’s why they’re wrong and so are most protests, such as the ‘war is bad’ and ‘poverty is bad’ protests, as well.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Scott Chris said
So you support her right to trespass on the wharves owned by the Taranaki port company then Scott, and to stop the crew of the Noble Discoverer from going about their lawful business?
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Ahh, but she is a ‘STAR’ which makes her so very much more important than the rest of the proles, so she has to be listened-to – that is her ‘right’ because she is a ‘star’. The fact that she is not currently ‘staring’ is of course of no consequence at all – more likely a ‘fading / fallen star.
Can’t wait for the breathless Women’s Weekly/New Idea/Day article titled ‘How I suffer for Greenpeace – my part in the New Plymouth protest – from Lucy Lawless – New Zealand’s very own superstar’. Investigative journalism at its worst.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 10:45 am
“Lucy in the Sky with Dumbarses”
Vote:+1 Monique.
February 25th, 2012 at 10:45 am
I can’t actually remember the last time a “star” espoused any cause I agreed with, although it may have been George Clooney in Three Kings, where the message was that the decent thing for a US GOP President to have done was to get rid of Saddam Hussein.
Perhaps Lucy should be careful what she asks for.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Tolerance of dissent and protest action is one mark of a liberal society. Within reasonable limits, we should be relaxed about this sort of activity. Again, reid, you seem to be saying that only protests you agree with could be worthwhile. Just because you disagree with Greenpeace does not by itself mean that they are incapable of making a reasonable case.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 11:04 am
I hope that the boat sails on Sunday with Law-less and others on board.
Vote:It will soon get rough outside the harbour being so high up.
I wish I could block their mobile phones for a while.
BBBUUUTTT OSH will prevail, along with UN Unhuman Rights, and anything else to protect the stupid.
February 25th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Keeping Stock says:- “So you support her right to trespass on the wharves owned by the Taranaki port company then Scott, and to stop the crew of the Noble Discoverer from going about their lawful business?”
Mikenmild says it best:
“Tolerance of dissent and protest action is one mark of a liberal society.”
Yes she is trespassing, and I think to be fair, she should be arrested if she refuses to move on peacefully.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Keeping Stock (7,256) Says:
February 25th, 2012 at 10:21 am
@ Manolo; probably because they’re 53 metres above the deck of the ship, and it would be dangerous for police officers who may not have the skills and equipment to safely climb the tower to arrest them. Nature will take its course eventually, and with the rate at which Lawless is doing media interviews, there can’t be too much life left in her cellphone battery. And to go to the lowest common denominator; they’ll all have to have a dump eventually, and I can’t imagine Ms Lawless disrobing while the whole world’s watching!
why not and just at that happens
A demonstration parade of helicopters with helicopters with full monsoon buckets that happened to unload above the rig would be interesting.
And just to speed up the process get the good guys to take her up some nice warm food laced with laxatives.
My god that would be fun to watch.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Anyone who lets celebrities do their thinking for them is beneath contempt.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 11:18 am
PIA.
That’s heresy.
All the TV watches in this world will be after you.
Only the clever and smart do TV stuff to educate the peons.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 11:25 am
and I can’t imagine Ms Lawless disrobing while the whole world’s watching!
… you haven’t seen SPARTACUS then? Not that you have missed much – the series has about as much to do with history as did Gibson’s PASSION OF CHRIST
Vote:Lawless would seem to prostitute her values in more ways than just Greenpeace
February 25th, 2012 at 11:44 am
There were some Greenpeace people outside my local Warehouse getting people to sign a petition to stop drilling for oil off New Zealand. I didn’t sign of course. One of them asked if I’d like to join Greenpeace anyway, and I said, nah it’s all political now, rather than being about the environment.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 11:49 am
QUOTE OF THE YEAR:
“and then God created the orgasm, so that women can moan even when they are happy.”
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Just ask toad and Al “Conman” Gore.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
TV NZ and RNZ have led their news coverage with this trespass action by Greenpeace.
RNZ actually read the Greenpeace release ie “long ,cold night ” up in the rig etc.
Our taxpayer owned news agencies are complicit in this Greenpeace propaganda stunt.
I object to these louts being called “activists” or “protesters”. They are trespassing on private property and interfering with a lawful business . They are also wasting police time.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
A cellphone jammer on the ship would have ended the protest by lunchtime.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Hey fletch,
I wonder if their petition was rephrased “Lower our standard of living” how many of the dupes would sign?
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
toad, trivialrev, and Phil Ure would.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Tolerance of dissent and protest action is one mark of a liberal society. Within reasonable limits, we should be relaxed about this sort of activity. Again, reid, you seem to be saying that only protests you agree with could be worthwhile. Just because you disagree with Greenpeace does not by itself mean that they are incapable of making a reasonable case.
and
Mikenmild says it best: “Tolerance of dissent and protest action is one mark of a liberal society.”
WTF is wrong with leftist thinking patterns that time after time after time they conflate a critique of someone’s actions on the grounds of profound pointlessness with a critique that says they don’t have the wight to do it?
mm and Scott, get this through your thick skulls once and for all because you and lefties like you raise it time and time and time again. WTF is wrong with you? Where have I said Lawless does not have a RIGHT to do what she is doing? You can’t find it, because I haven’t said it. Have I? No, I haven’t. So why do you accuse me of being intolerant toward Lawless? Newsflash idiots: tolerance of a human right DOES NOT EQUATE TO THE NECESSITY TO AGREE THAT THEIR PROTEST IS WORTHWHILE AND IT DOES NOT EQUATE TO THE NECESSITY TO AVOID POINTING OUT THAT THROUGH THEIR POINTLESS ACTIONS WHICH ACHIEVE NOTHING, THEY’RE NOT AIDING AND ABETTING ROAD AND CRIME TRAUMA, EITHER.
That’s all I said above, isn’t it. Yes, it is.
Is that quite clear? Honestly, your collective thinking has the insight, maturity and depth of a 10 year old child’s. It does. I wish you’d grow up but apparently, you get so emotional about the whole fucking thing, it’s simply impossible for you to draw that elementary distinction I alluded to above and which I have been careful to draw throughout my posts today.
I’m so glad I’ve never been infected with leftist thinking. It would just drive me nuts, as it would any thinking person.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Personally I’m a lot more tolerant of dissent and protest action that doesn’t break the law.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Why no jail for those four who include two ex-politicians ?
They jailed that ex-MP from Mangere for fraud and I see fuck all difference in their crimes.
Losing their part free travel is a start, but five years in the clink would be even better.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/6471887/Exhibition-cancelled-after-iwi-object-to-content
The bubbles would have been made partly from water previously used to wash dead bodies
Victoria University’s head of the school of Maori studies, Peter Adds, said superstition was a “loaded” word and any objections to the exhibition would have been based on a deeply entrenched cultural belief for many Maori.
“People would have inadvertently placed themselves in danger and Maori people would have treated the people as being contaminated.
“Those people would have been treated with a degree of caution. Maori don’t muck around with issues of tapu.
So don’t go to the exhibition
Vote:Its a bit of woo to the rest of us “superstition”
Being dead is an inevitable consequence of living .
The water you drink properly dribbled out of a dinosaurs appendage during rutting season That does not make it magic in any way
February 25th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
MIT climate scientist Richard Lindzen, “Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat’s dream. If you control carbon, you control life.”
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
“What’s this then?”
“Water from a Mexican morgue – been used to wash cadavers”
“What are you going to do with it?”
“Blow bubbles”
“Yeah ? – why?”
“So that people. especially little children, who see joy and happiness in such a simple but intrinsically universally appreciated pleasure, may be totally disillusioned when we reveal the origin of the water and they will marvel at the intellectual brilliance of our artistic expression bringing them crashing back to reality.”
“Like displaying the Easter bunny gnawing its own leg off because it is clamped in a gin-trap – or the Tooth Fairy mugged and gang–raped because she’s a fairy after all?”
“Yes, you’ve got it”
“Well, you can go stand in the Agriculture queue behind the guy with the kiwifruit pollen, or try the red queue with the people bringing in artificial marijuana and other stuff that we don’t have a fucking clue as to what its actual contents are. But you may have a little wait …”
“Why?”
Vote:“Because nearly all of our border patrol persons are trying to talk Xena down from a 53 metre erection in Port Taranaki.”
February 25th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
reid says:- “I’m so glad I’ve never been infected with leftist thinking. It would just drive me nuts, as it would any thinking person.”
I think in your case the train to Nuttsville left the station some time ago. Liberalism, like science is founded on reason, which is as far from insanity as humans are capable of being.
Conservatism on the other hand is an inherently deranged philosophy because in seeking to achieve a state of idyllic changelessness the conservative will desperately hold onto his ideals as a frame of reference whilst the world around him inevitably evolves into something completely incomprehensible and seemingly insane.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
I can’t find a story on the BBC site to link to, but a day ago I heard an interesting story on the BBC world service on the issue of korans. The interviewer was speaking to an islamic scholar about how to dispose of old unwanted korans. It turns out that the right way to do it IS to burn them, but by themselves and not with other waste.
No doubt offended dimwits would invent other factors – that they have to be burnt by a muslim or something.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
“conservatism deranged”- quite a few extreme and intolerant statements made.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
reference bubble bullshit Karl du fresne ‘s is a good item.
Vote:http://karldufresne.blogspot.co.nz/
February 25th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
A little bit of Staturday arvo cognitive dissonance:
Vote:
February 25th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Just watching the cricket and the thought came to me that if they take the Knighthood off Sir Douglas they should give it to the groundsman that mowed the geometrically perfect, alternating diamonds of the cake tin outfield. Must use a laser sight on his tractor.
The man is a bloody genius!
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Gender selection abortions widespread in Britain.
Vote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9104994/Sex-selection-abortions-are-widespread.html
February 25th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Yvette. Vous êtes beau quand vous êtes fâché.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Wouldn’t Xena need her stuntwoman to cope with a 53 metre erection?
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
reid – if protestantism evolved from catholicism then why is catholicisim still around?
That claim about humans and apes just demonstrates a basic miunderstanding.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
I imagine that others have asked this question but why are our cops just watching these pricks?
Why not shoot them, starting with Lawless.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
They are waiting for Robin Malcolm to climb up there too BB?
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
BB, better to let them freeze their arse off at the top of the tower for a day or so then take them for a test drive at a slow pace in a nice sloppy sea. Won’t want to do that again once that happens. Not all fun.
I note that itwaqs said the had food for a couple of days. HMMM well leave then there for 4 and then go ride about barricading them from coming down. Just so much fun to be had.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Johnboy
Ah yes…that is a good idea. Why not wait for Moonbat Delahunty as well then the cops could get all three of them with one shot.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
They would have to change from soft nose to FMJ BB and then they would have to find a chap (ess) who could hit what they were aiming for.
Still John Wayne could do it on a regular basis.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Slow pace sloppy seas and smelly fish
Vote:Will make the most staunch seaman puke
February 25th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Quartering seas and pizzas cooking in the diesel fired stove were what finally turned my guts Griff.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
I find Sea sickness is mind over matter.
I don’t mind and you don’t matter.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
You’d mind if I puked the matter from my last diesel powered pizza over your smug exterior.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Billy Grahams mentoring hasn’t done much for Jesse then!
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Lucy will be freezing her arse off today, the wind is about 35 to 40 knots and coming straight off the sea. I do hope the numskulls are enjoying it.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Smug exterior?
Vote:More like puke in my snug interior
If effort in worship counted Ralph would be the most powerful god.
February 25th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
The crave for fame can be a good thing. A great motivator.
But why is it that the likes of Lucy Lawless and, say, Sean Penn for example (and even, but at a much more
primitive level, Robin Malcolm) feel they have to surpass their level of competence and crave more and more ?
Even that sheila who acted in Wave Rider is on the same bandwagon. She knows more about global warming than
you will ever know.
Does success in art give them delusions of grandeur ?
What could it be ?
Maybe a psycologist correspondent could provide some insight.
There seem to be legions of actors and actresses who feel that they automatically become experts on everything under the sun. Why?
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
For those of you with too much time on your hands: http://www.forthecraic.net/flash/boobtest.swf
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
253. Might not be enough.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Liberalism, like science is founded on reason, which is as far from insanity as humans are capable of being.
Scott, Liberalism is Communism. Of course people like you hate being called commies so you call yourselves something really stupid like a “pwogwessive” to make idiots think you’re forward looking and kind and gentle creatures and it’s the way of the future but your playbook, as evidenced by everything you guys say, is straight from 1917. Sorry, it is.
Well, I’m not sorry, actually. If people like you are stupid enough to be fooled into thinking collectivism and state control is the way to go given today’s understanding of what works and what doesn’t, then I’m afraid I have no sympathy whatsoever in fact I have utter contempt for your pathetic collective intellects since even when its all combined you guys still can’t come up with anything which will make the slightest dent in anything you claim to care about, be it the planet, be it war, be it poverty or any other stupid cause you care to name. In fact it’s even worse since your ideas aren’t even neutral, they’re all negative, in that they exacerbate the very condition you claim to wish to address. Hence my complete and utter contempt, not for you as human beings, but for your stupid and pathetic ideas.
You know what makes me laugh? Your pwogwessive delusion that pwogwessives are the ones who weally care about people. I mean, take poverty. To you, the only repeat only solution to you idiots is to re-distribute. Leaving aside the impracticality of actually implementing that, WTF do you guys think makes poor people poor in the first place? And if they are poor and we give them a little bit more, what makes you think the same thing which caused their poverty won’t rear its ugly head and cause them to fritter away whatever it is you think society should give them, leaving them right back where they started and the rest of us just that little bit less keen on participating in your next mental idea.
Well, it would be funny, were it not we’re talking about real human beings who do need help, just not your pwogwessive kind of help, that’s the last thing they need.
You know what makes me disgusted? Your insufferable arrogance that you’re the only ones who care about helping people to the point where if people don’t agree with you it means by definition they’re heartless beasts. That’s just fucking mental, but pwogwessives have such hubris coming out your ears, don’t you. Isn’t that disgusting. Who the fuck do you guys think you are?
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
“The real story in this Fakegate scandal is how the global warming movement is desperate, delusional and collapsing as global warming fails to live up to alarmist predictions. People with sound science on their side do not need to forge documents to validate their arguments or make the other side look bad. Also, people who are so desperate as to forge documents in an attempt to frame their rivals are clearly not above forging scientific data, studies and facts to similarly further their cause.
It is both striking and telling how global warming activists have failed to condemn the acts of forgery in the Fakegate scandal. For global warming activists, the ends justify the means – any means necessary to sell their alarmist message, even if they must sink to forgery and fakery…It is also worth noting that Gleick repeatedly claims in his confession that his misconduct was motivated by a desire to create a rational public debate on global warming and that he was trying to fight back against the people he claims are seeking to prevent such a debate. Yet in January 2012 the Heartland Institute cordially invited Gleick to publicly debate me at our 2012 annual benefit dinner. All Gleick would had to have done is defeat me in that debate and he could have accomplished his twin goals of promoting public debate and embarrassing the Heartland Institute. Yet Gleick declined to participate in such a fair and open debate, and then on the very next day committed his acts of fraud and theft against the Heartland Institute.
Beyond our invitation to Gleick, the Heartland Institute has cordially invited dozens of scientists who believe humans are creating a global warming crisis to give presentations and to debate skeptics at our annual global warming conferences. Only one such scientist has ever accepted our offer.
If Gleick is indeed concerned about people preventing a public debate on global warming, he perhaps should have targeted his global warming activist colleagues rather than the Heartland Institute.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/02/22/fakegate-illustrates-global-warming-alarmists-deceit-and-desperation/
It’s also worth pointing out that Gleick has previously declared the debate over, though now he tries to pathetically justify his unethical behaviour and his lies on the grounds that, er, sceptics have tried to shut down debate.
http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2012/02/24/peter-gleick-then-and-now/
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
17 for 2. What an athlete Jesse is.
253 might be enough after all!
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Lucy Ryan.
What time does the ship leave port? Leave the silly bitch and supporters onboard for a little journey.
Vote:Imagine the headlines, ‘Noble Discovery crew and Shell take famous Actor and others hostage’
Fuck off Ryan, fuck off Greenpeace
February 25th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
wat dabney @6.36
What was that again ?
Sum sing about Gleick or sum sing.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
When was the last time you saw this headline
Vote:http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/meat-workers-locked-indefinitely-4742421
Meat workers to be locked-out indefinitely
How much times have changed this was once the headline every killing season
if scab labor can do it cheaper so be it
Some times they can not the experience in your long term workers can not be replaced that easily
Lots of damage hes been done to industry due to employers not valuing the workforce
February 25th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Incredibly lucky bank robbers evade cops in this 34 second clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EDCGqPtbJ4
Hilarious!
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Protester pulled off oil-drilling ship and arrested
updated 18:52
Published: 7:00AM Saturday February 25, 2012 Source: ONE News
Protester pulled off oil-drilling ship and arrested (Source: Supplied)
Lucy Lawless on the Noble Discoverer – Source: Supplied
Watch Video
Lucy Lawless to spend night on-board oil ship watch
20:03 Lucy Lawless among Greenpeace protesters (2:44)
An Auckland man among a group of Greenpeace protesters, who have climbed aboard an oil-drilling ship in Taranaki, has been arrested.
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/protester-pulled-off-oil-drilling-ship-and-arrested-4742115
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
wat, I’ve been following this story from the outset. amazing stuff. i’m seeing a significant shift in thinking/blogging/discussions around the whole CAGW topic over the last few months. the number that still believe we’re on a tragectory to self-inflicted doom is plummeting. this will force those that are receiving large ‘research’/'advocacy’ grants to become more desperate as their public funding drys up. it’s delicious to watch
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Johnboy – Yvette. Vous êtes beau quand vous êtes fâché.
Oui – Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, nor hell a fury like a woman shawn.
Vote:for you Johnboy – http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sleep/sheep/
February 25th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
How we change from the first baby to later ones:
Names
First Child: Your name was inspired by a woman of royalty. She was
loved by millions.
Second Child: Your name was inspired by a beloved member of the family.
Everyone adored her.
Third Child: Your name was inspired by my favorite professional
wrestler, Hulk Hogan. He could beat the crap out of anybody.
Holding the new baby
First Child: We’re the only ones who can hold her.
Second Child: You can hold her, but you have to wash your hands first.
Third Child: Someone please hold this kid for me!
Food and Feeding
First Child: I will feed you only pesticide-free organic foods that
I’ve prepared by hand in a carefully-sanitized kitchen.
Second Child: I will feed you baby foods from a jar that don’t have
preservatives or additives.
Third Child: Do you want weetbix or toast for breakfast?
Safety
First Child: Don’t run in the house. You could fall and hurt yourself.
Second Child: Don’t run with scissors.
Third Child: Don’t play with Daddy’s good chainsaw.
Sleeping/Naps
First Child: You need to go to bed by 8:30.
Second Child: You need to go to bed by 9:00.
Third Child: It’s 11:30, I’m going to bed. Turn the TV off when you’re
finished.
Television watching
First Child: You can watch one hour of educational TV per day.
Second Child: You can watch two hours of regular TV per day.
Third Child: My TV is broken, can I watch yours?
Bathing
Vote:First Child: Your baths will be a mixture of sparkling spring water and
pasteurized milk with essential oils
Second Child: Your baths will be a mixture of warm water and baby oil
Third Child: We’ll hose you off in the backyard twice a week.
February 25th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
“nor hell a fury like a woman shawn.” ?
Is that like a woman who shaves Yvette?
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
A Chinese student just won $1,000,000 on Lotto winning wheel!
What’s bloody Winston going to do about it!
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
On behalf of all the third children here I would like to congratulate you on your choice of minorities singled out for ridicule today.
Vote:Third child gets reality from the start.
February 25th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Griff
As a first child I was always reminded of the extra attention I doubtlessly received. A little reflection on the subject made me realise that I was used for practise.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
scott chris@710
Vote:Police are trained NOT to rush into armed situations as per that clip.It is neither real nor funny.
February 25th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Discrimination against 4th children!
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
It still makes a change for a minority to laugh at their predicament
Vote:Oh be it that all minorities could laugh at them selfs
BillyT had it down pat
Sad that such humor died young
The naked Samoans have a good view of the conundrum long may they laugh at being a minority.
February 25th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Not to mention rampant discrimination against Catholics Pete.
Vote:
February 25th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
I’ve been watching coverage of the NZ Eight Ball Pool Championships and, I have to say, it’s come a long way since the days of unshaven, beer-swilling, fat, sweaty Aucklanders in dark, smoke-filled rooms.
The Men’s Championship has improved too.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Johnboy, that puzzles me
Vote:If one has a Brazillion can it still be called a pussy? It is as confusing as being a Chinese Catholic
February 25th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Perhaps these images will help you decide what to do Yvette.
http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=cats+without+fur&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=tJJIT8vYDuSWiQeHvMXTBg&ved=0CEEQsAQ&biw=1038&bih=828
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Once you have made a decision perhaps you could post your photos. Just to me of course!
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
180 for four at 38 overs!
Vote:
February 25th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
johnboy
while m. pythons are very funny. They find taking the piss out of Christianity very easy. They would not dare do the same to Islam.
This says 2 things. Pythons are cowards and Islam dangerous.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Thanks kowtow. I knew there was a reason the Blackcaps never beat Pakistan.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Cat Stevens and Mohamed Ali
Two Muslims that were unfairly discriminated against due to their superstitious belief
Better to stamp out all superstition than focus on the failings of one
Because you are all the same.to me.
Rational vs the boggy man.
Sheep the only life force worth shagging
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Excellent finish by the Highlanders to outlast the Chiefs. The commentators mentioned the Highlanders nearly as much as they mentioned SBW.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
More from the abortion row in the UK.
Vote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9103831/In-the-third-world-unwanted-baby-girls-disappear.-Its-called-gendercide.-And-its-happening-in-this-country-too.html
February 25th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Update on the US election:
http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/02/20/white-house-insider-pump-and-dump/
The “Insider” is the same guy who gave me the tip I passed on to you a few months ago that Obama was going to play the race card. I passed it onto you at the time since I considered it possible given who Obama is in terms of his history and behaviour. Of course I don’t know what the Insider’s evidence is or who he is, but I passed it on since looking at Obama’s background and dubious record thus far it could conceivably be a tactic in his particular twisted toolbox and it would have horrendous consequences, given the huge number of poor, young, angry and well armed black people in the large urbans who are, along with many others, doing very badly as the US’s very own GFC plays itself out. And if the US President does this, the US President, no less, well, enough said, right?
So who knows.
IF this is the same guy and I don’t know if this “Insider” is the same as another “Insider” who used to post on other sites during Bush 43, he is like me, in that he sees deep corruption, including murder and destruction on both sides of the US political fence.
Treat it as a conspiracy theory if you like, it’s certainly a theory, no doubt about that. How else could it not be, given none of us have evidence? But “by their actions ye shall know them” is a useful phrase to consider, in these times.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
griff,
Islam is more than a superstition. It’s a culture ,as a Muslim judge in the US told an aetheist recently while dismissing charges of assault against a Muslim man for attacking the aetheist who was dressed as the Islamic prophet.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/02/why-we-need-anti-sharia-laws-muslim-judge-enforces-sharia-in-case-of-muslim-attacker-on-mocker-of-mu.html
“Rational v the boggy man”…..what have the Oirish got to do with this griff?
You say those 2 were discriminated against on the grounds of their religion, please provide proof of said assertion
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
sorry kowtow
Vote:I have been digging post holes all day
one bourbon and cola = one post hole
thus my posts have decade pleasurably as the night has worn on
there is with out doubt an anti Muslim feeling being propagated by the USA
I find fault on both the Cristian and Muslim side
for me as a dedicated atheist you could say a hard atheist\
I find the disconcerting amount of disharmony perpetrated in the name of god a reason to discount his existence
never the less your contribution as a Cristian is still valued as any contribution to debate should be
cat Stevens was blacklisted for ne’er on a generation Mohamed Ali was stripped of his title for being a Muslim
February 25th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
draft evasion,not Islam.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Liberalism, like science is founded on reason, which is as far from insanity as humans are capable of being.
Conservatism on the other hand is an inherently deranged philosophy because in seeking to achieve a state of idyllic changelessness the conservative will desperately hold onto his ideals as a frame of reference whilst the world around him inevitably evolves into something completely incomprehensible and seemingly insane.
I see, Scott. Tell me, is “liberalism” pwogwessive, or is it something else? On the assumption its not different, how come “liberalism” advocates bigger govt is the solution for one would have thought this the opposite of “liberalism.” This seems a bit insane to be quite honest Scott. I mean its one thing for an educated mind to be able to entertain polar opposites at one and the same time and quite another for a mind to believe one thing and yet act in the polar opposite way. I think you may need to look in the mirror for in all your commenting history you do believe in big govt and that’s pwogwessivism through and through Scott. That’s not at all liberal, is it. How can it be?
I find the disconcerting amount of disharmony perpetrated in the name of god a reason to discount his existence
Griff the key is understanding this is not God’s world at the moment, Satan is in control and the Slanderer and Deceiver is very very active now. This is the key. Do not mistake it or ignore it.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
I am not a pacifist
Vote:you would have to have a very good reason to involve me personally in war
If I believed that U had a reason to perpetrate war on an idea i would volunteer
If i did not believe I would strenuously decline your invitation
some heroes in our culture did just that
New Zealanders including those in the first expeditionary force have a long history of declining further involvement in warfare
February 25th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
Reid I find your view point confusing
Vote:you seem to have a healthy disrespect for the mechanizations of the USA
Yet your alignment to the anti science league disturbs me
as to your intelligence and mana I have a healthy respect for your obvious intelligence and your ability to laugh at yourself
February 25th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
Whose talking about war Griff?
All I’m saying is recognise evil is alive and working in this world, right here, right now, period. If you wish to imagine because God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent therefore this world should be a better place and the fact it isn’t is proof He doesn’t exist, I’m only explaining why this current world is indeed like you say it is. That’s all.
Edit: Griff sorry if your above was addressed to someone else. If so, ignore.
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
you seem to have a healthy disrespect for the mechanizations of the USA
No its just that like the way Israeli politicians treat their own citizens, so the USA politicians also treat their citizens, unbelievably, in the land of the free and the home of the brave, and the media in the US at least is in lockstep not with the citizen’s best interests but with the politicians best interests which in turn are dictated on a personal level by the media since re-election seems to be the only thing the US politicians care about but to get it they act against the best interests of their own constituencies.
In other words, the whole check and balance system setup by the fore-fathers has broken down. Now, it seems, one side or the other doesn’t make any difference, over there, does it. Now, if really rich Wall Streeters get into trouble, since they donate a huge amount and hold huge amounts of media and other influence as well, it seems it doesn’t matter which side is in. Same with oil, technology, all sorts of sectors.
In other words Griff, the US political system is broken. As evidenced by what’s been happening over there for the past few decades and what continues to happen.
This is NOT repeat NOT repeat NOT a comment against the US as a country nor a comment against the people of the US of A, it’s a comment against their leadership and that’s not the same thing, at all.
Yet your alignment to the anti science league disturbs me
In what way am I anti-science Griff? (If I am, I’m quite disturbed about it, as well.)
Vote:February 25th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
it is not just the media usa politicians are paid to campaign by the richest faction is not representative of all it is represented by those with money MMP is far more Representative of the majority of people first past the post will always give a result like the USA and england
Vote:The evil and the righteous depends on were you stand on freedom
There needs to be a liberal right party in new zealand its just those that are liberal can not agree with themselves let along present a united front
as to the existence of evil “god did it you can not create one concept without creating the inverse
February 25th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
it is not just the media
No of course not that was a mere example. What is not commonly understood is the extent of the web. It’s totally ubiquitous everywhere that counts and that’s too much for most people even to contemplate let alone accept and that’s why and how they get away with it.
as to the existence of evil “god did it you can not create one concept without creating the inverse
The entire Bible covers the story of Satan Griff, starting with Genesis and ending with Revelations. The reason Satan is called the Slanderer and the Deceiver, amongst other names, is because he makes some people think its Gods fault this world now, is like it is. If that’s not clever, nay diabolical slander and deception, then what is? Luckily God laid it all out, in the best-selling book in the world. Go figure. Seriously, this is not rocket science, it is laid out. Bible 101.
Vote:February 26th, 2012 at 12:37 am
reid,
God laid it all out, in the best-selling book in the world. Go figure. Seriously, this is not rocket science
True, it’s not rocket science. Not science at all in fact. Just fairy tales for the common cave man.
The reason Satan is called the Slanderer and the Deceiver, amongst other names, is because he makes some people think its Gods fault this world now, is like it is.
I was wondering if God is impotent or evil and you just clarified it for me: he’s impotent. The all-powerful, the almighty, the all-knowing… outdone by the devil once again. Perhaps he expends too much effort trying to make images appear in toast. Perhaps he could try a more direct approach to communicating with his people. Oh that’s right he wrote a book… or actually he was too lazy to do it himself rather he got others to write it in a language few understand and which relatively few had access to. We humans have discovered how to broadcast messages all over the world in an instant. We can reach anyone if we want to. Yet God in all his glory seems unable to manage a global broadcast. He leaves cryptic clues for the wise to discover whilst everyone else burns in a pit of fire for all eternity simply because they don’t get it. This God sounds like an absolute cunt… or is he just mysterious?
Vote:February 26th, 2012 at 12:53 am
outdone by the devil once again
Weihana, it’s over to us to come to Him, not the other way round. And He is always available to an open and honest and repentant heart, no matter what that heart has done in the past.
The purpose of temptation and sin is to allow us to build spiritual muscle by resisting it and its always very personal and God, if you ask Him, will always give you tools that work to do such. Same principle as going to the gym vs doing whatever one wishes to one’s own temple, or body, as is the modern vernacular. One suffers the consequences or reaps the benefits accordingly, depending what one’s decision is.
God loves you and wants to save you from the consequences of your current life but if you don’t acknowledge Him before you die, you will suffer for that.
Don’t imagine also, it’s a good idea to wait until your deathbed before finally asking Him for absolution. Even if He in His grace grants such, you’ll be a poor man in Heaven, and who wants to be poor, anywhere?
Vote:February 26th, 2012 at 3:45 am
reid,
The difference with the Gym is that they make an effort to let me know that they are just down the road and for a reasonable price will let me sweat all over their equipment. People who know that exercise is the key to a healthy life don’t expect people to just know it by magic, they research how the body works and demonstrate to us the benefits of fitness and then clearly communicate this knowledge to the rest of us.
God does none of this. He requires us to suspend judgment. He runs away from us and hides and then casts us to the pit of fire simply because we can’t find him. He is so powerful yet he can’t be bothered with a simple booming voice from the sky telling us the righteous path, rather he expects us to discern it from various nutjobs and other dubious sources.
Indeed he provides no means with which to discern his message from countless other messages which purport to be from other gods. How does one choose? Russian roulette? Is it a righteous god that casts people to the pit of fire because they place the wrong bets?
By the way, what does it mean to be a poor man in heaven? Is there money in heaven? Do people trade in heaven? What is the local currency? Is it fiat currency? What do people trade? Where do you find the answers to these questions aside from your rectum?
Vote:February 26th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Where do you find the answers to these questions
In your heart first and the Bible second Weihana. Drop your skepticism and ask God with an honest heart to show you the way. Then go here and enter any keywords you want.
This is your life you are talking about. If I were you, I’d consider the question that if religion really is as you clearly think it is, how come no other man in history has made such an impact on so many millions. 2,000 years from now, Jesus’ name will be as alive today as it has ever been. Who would have ever heard of Weihana, let alone any of the major figures of today’s transient world, such as Mandela, Churchill or any of the other humans?
Vote:February 26th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Reid,
Ask god? Sorry i don’t believe in imaginary friends. I do not accept that one’s “heart” is a satisfactory source for answers to questions about the nature of reality. Reality is properly understood through critical examination of evidence. Talking to imaginary friends is not a source of evidence.
Rational people do not accept “the heart” as an answer to life’s problems. If I ask a surgeon to fix an ailing relative I do not expect him to use his heart I expect him to use his brain. Likewise if I ask a lawyer to represent someone I care about. But you don’t accept being held to the same standard. You want to say things but not have your assertions questioned and when straightforward questions are put to you, you respond with nonsense.
Citing the bible is likewise not useful given that any particular interpretation, of which there are many, is chosen by the individual and so we are again faced with accepting assertions on the basis of someone’s imaginary friend.
It is no wonder that the vast majority of scientists are not religious because if they employed your way of thinking to answer scientific problems we would still be living in the dark ages. Indeed it will be the giants of scientific enquiry such as Einstein and Hawking that will be remembered in future centuries as the fathers of a technologically sophisticated society while Jesus et al will be remembered alongside the likes of Zeus, Gaia, Maui and inumerable other myths and legends that befit more primitive society.
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