General Debate 9 February 2012

February 9th, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Manolo (13,780 comments) says:

    A refugee, maybe? http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/6384892/Khandallah-Post-Shop-robbery-footage-released

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  2. Yvette (2,821 comments) says:

    The Government is banking on a windfall of as much as $7 billion from the sales, though not all of that will be used to pay down debt.

    As debt may be around $ 28 billion [hard to find an accurate figure] why is the Labour Party, NZ First or any investigative journalists [ha,ha ...ha – merde] not asking how the other more than three quarters of debt to be paid?

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  3. Scott Chris (6,139 comments) says:

    A Chilling Story:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/6387984/US-teen-thrill-killer-jailed/

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  4. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    Have blogged about this article about overcrowding and poverty.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10784293

    Yadayada, capitalism bad, need more money etcetc

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  5. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    Why the energy industry is so invested in climate change denial

    The world most’s profitable companies are valued by their carbon reserves – never mind the resulting ruin to the planet

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/feb/07/why-energy-industry-so-invested-climate-denail?

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  6. Manolo (13,780 comments) says:

    He was wise, wasn’t he? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2098064/John-F-Kennedy-bought-1-200-Cuban-cigars-hours-ordered-US-trade-embargo.html

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  7. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    Libertarians (“we buy farmland over there, they can buy it over here….and it all kind of levels out in an acceptable way”) look a lot like the “progressive advocates of globalisation” who want us all to share overcrowding and squalor.
    ………………………….

    “Both in New Zealand and globally, the best of the leftwing tradition has always rejected small-minded nationalism, xenophobia and racism. In fact, leftists of an internationalist tradition have always favoured globalization and getting rid of national borders and barriers to migration. Progressive advocates of globalization of course do not defend a handful of rich imperialist countries, including New Zealand, dominating the world’s economy, but instead advocate an integrated and radically egalitarian world economy where production is based on social need and not on private profit. ”
    http://liberation.typepad.com/liberation/2012/02/guest-blog-post-john-moore-leftwing-xenophobia-in-new-zealand.html

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  8. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    “In fact, leftists of an internationalist tradition have always favoured globalization and getting rid of national borders and barriers to migration”
    ……..
    you can see Keith Locke there:

    “”Our policy is the opposite of Winston Peters’,” the Party’s Immigration Spokesperson Keith Locke says.

    “We have no fear of migrants. The Green Party says ‘Welcome Home – this is your country now’. Our welcome extends to the families of new migrants. The Green Party policy is fundamentally humanitarian, not exclusionary like Mr Peters’.

    “Rather than foster suspicion about refugees, we want New Zealand to do more to provide a safe haven for those fleeing from oppression. Our policy proposes an increase in annual refugee intake from the present 750 to 1000 by 2010.”
    http://www.greens.org.nz/press-releases/greens-counter-peters-welcoming-immigration-policy

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  9. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    I see more fuckwits causing trouble with high power lasers (burning lasers) are in court for shining (attacking) these at aircraft. But these clowns decided the Eagle (Police Helicopter) was a good target….. WRONG MOVE.
    At the Uni of Auck lasers of power outputs around the level these over the counter models are rated at, were considered dangerous and only trained operators were allowed to use them in carefully controlled conditions.
    There is the usual call for banning because of the actions of the small number of complete retards but there are some people that find these devices useful.
    A more sensible option would be a license like a firearm. Yes this would cost more but those that REALLY need these items such a fee would not be that big an impediment but the jerk-offs will move onto fireworks or something.

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  10. Paulus (2,627 comments) says:

    OK do not partial sell Assets.
    Cancel Working for Families and
    Interest Free Student Loans instead.

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  11. Longknives (4,753 comments) says:

    Sonny Bill Williams can beat his chest and compare himself to ‘Ali all he wants but anyone who knows boxing can tell you he would get destroyed very quickly by anyone who actually knows how to box…

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/6388727/Sir-Bob-Jones-SBW-Tillman-fight-a-joke

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  12. Longknives (4,753 comments) says:

    In fact I having just watched the replay of that pathetic scripted ‘farce’ that masqueraded as a ‘title fight’ -I think I would just about back my 86 year old Grandmother to beat that fat pudding Clarence Tillman…RIP NZ Boxing’s credibility..

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  13. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    It has been obvious that standards have been falling rather drastically at the New Zealand Herald.

    An item from asistant political editor Claire Trevett in todays edition (page A9) continues the trend.

    Priceless gems such as, ‘There it was, the Muhammad Ali question- the one that floats like a butterfly
    and stings like a bee.’
    ‘Set down for the Prime Minister.
    Does he have confidence in all his ministers ?’

    ‘Government ministers were pale with fear.’

    ‘There was almost palpable relief from National when it was revealed that Peters’ target was Maori Party Tariana Turia.’

    Then she goes on, ‘It wasn’t a killer blow, but slow drips erode the hardest rocks.’

    ‘In the ecosystem of Parliament the Maori Party is in danger of becomming the krill.”

    ‘The co-leaders sit opposite the baleen whales of Peters and Hone Harawira.’

    Somebody should bring it to the attention of Claire that Parliaments question time is televised these days.
    A breathless excited report, but I watched it on TV and guess what ?
    i didn’t see too many Ministers, ‘Pale with fear.”

    In fact the Speaker ruled Peters’ supplementary question in order but added, “How intelligable it is is another matter.’

    We look forward to some improvement in Claires effort comming next Thursday.

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  14. fatnuts (160 comments) says:

    Images of the deep freeeze gripping Europe:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2097779/Europe-weather-Snow-covers-continent-temperatures-plunge-MINUS-40C.html

    Ice age Europe: How the big freeze, with temperatures as low as MINUS 40, has turned Britain and the continent BLUE
    Hundreds of Eastern European villages cut off as temperatures plummet to -40C
    Melting snow causes dam wall to break and flood entire village in southern Bulgaria, killing four
    European crisis commissioner says ‘the worst is yet to come’

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  15. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    Puppets on a string: US think tank funds NZ sceptics

    The Heartland Institute, the US organisation that plays a key role in organised climate denial, has directly funded New Zealand’s most prominent sceptics, a search of US Internal Revenue Service documents has revealed. In 2007, Heartland granted US$25,000 (NZ$32,000) to the NZ Climate “Science” Coalition, sending the money to NZ CSC member Owen McShane. They also gifted the International Climate Science Coalition US$45,000 (NZ$59,000), forwarding the cash to NZ CSC webmaster and ICSC founding chairman Terry Dunleavy. The documents do not reveal what the money was used for, but four NZ CSC members attended the December 2007 Bali conference as part of an ICSC delegation. Bryan Leyland, energy advisor to both CSCs, confirmed in 2008 that “some expenses” for the trip had been covered by Heartland, but the NZ CSC has never revealed the full extent of the Heartland Institute funding of their operations, or its role in the expansion of their “climate science coalition” franchise.
    http://hot-topic.co.nz/puppets-on-a-string-us-think-tank-funds-nz-sceptics/

    not that those lobbiests for immigration, more roads and no developper levis are short of a bob themselves?

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  16. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    @hj
    I love it.
    Pot and Kettle material on funding sources.

    Follow the money LOL

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  17. fatnuts (160 comments) says:

    Hj, that’s old news. And big deal. About 2 minutes worth of carbon tax..

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  18. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    Jeez the Israelis and Iranians could get interesting.
    Would the Israelis use nukes on Iran ?
    Would they be stupid enough to bomb that Russian built reactor which is staffed by Russians
    And Vlad the impalers response to a few hundred Russians being killed would be what ?
    Those fuckwit Israeli firsters in the jesusland could find that Israel ends up with a tiger by the tail.

    http://wartard.blogspot.co.nz/2010/11/my-favourite-war-that-hasnt-happened_08.html

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  19. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Bill English on RNZ this morning giving us the benefit of his wondrous intellect and breadth of ambition for his country, namely more “stumbling through” for the economy and the gem that his major ambition for “the next few years” is to tackle long term welfare.

    Let’s be clear that long term welfare dependents could certainly use some help to escape the welfare trap, but we know that Bill’s approach will always be of the punitive variety, especially aping failed policies from countries such as the US and Britain that merely drive people from the rolls and into the invisible undercaste – well, invisible until we can get them into the nearest courthouse on their way to jail.

    Anyway, here are a couple or three stats to illuminate the discussion:

    1. NZ has the second lowest rate of long term unemployed in the OECD (2010 figures)

    2. NZ had the third lowest rate of increase in LTU 2007-2010 (Kudos t0 Labour for that performance?)

    3. Amongst the OECD countries we usually compare ourselves to, the industrialized European nations plus japan, we rank 14 out of 19 nations in social spending as a percentage of GDP (2010).

    So we are kidding ourselves when we think our welfare provisions are particularly generous, when we look at the whole picture. That’s a puritanical wet dream.

    English wants to justify his salary by spending his time, years of his time, fiddling with non-existent problems while he muddles through the economic nightmare exacerbated by his foisting of a structural deficit on NZ with his loony tax cuts.

    One other thing, DPF told us yesterday that median after tax wages have risen, which is true but is also sophistry. He relies on tax cuts, outweighed for most with the rise in GST. In fact, OECD figures show that nominal wages/unit labour costs have declined over most of the OECD nations, with NZ being about the middle of the pack.

    The after-tax figure is the one most open to government manipulation, as DPF has illustrated.

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  20. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    “For years, I disseminated the hypotheses of the IPCC, and I feel duped.”
    Fritz Vahrenholt, prominent German Social Democrat and former German Environment Minister, outgoing CEO of the renewable energy group RWE Innogy.

    “Today, I want new scientific findings to be included in the climate debate. It would then become clear that the simple equation that CO2 and other man-made greenhouse gases are almost exclusively responsible for climate change is unsustainable. It hasn’t gotten any warmer on this planet in almost 14 years, despite continued increases in CO2 emissions. Established climate science has to come up with an answer to that.”
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,813814,00.html

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  21. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    Oh dear
    grumpy is giving advice to the Israelis on how to manage issues with an irrational and dangerous (near) neighbour.

    and this little gem
    “Those fuckwit Israeli firsters in the jesusland”

    This would be the same Israelis that have held off millions of Arabs bent on their destruction.

    What a dick

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  22. Pete George (23,568 comments) says:

    If anyone’s still interested in the Breats v. Bottle issue Danyl has a good post on it, especially on breastfeeding rates and inclinations – it’s the demographics most needing natural immunity protection for babies that are least likely to breastfeed (about a half).

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  23. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    fatnuts

    Scientists have been warning us for years of increasing incidents of extreme weather events. This is all part of the deal of polluting the atmosphere. Melting ice has to have a cooling effect somewhere, and this is adding to the cold temperatures in Europe.

    In fact, I heard a commentator in Europe say that this weather used to be more common, but now people aren’t used to it these days.

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  24. fatnuts (160 comments) says:

    Read the article Lance. It’s not news that coventional war against Iran is unlikely to be successful. When / if Iran goes nuclear, shuts down the Strait of Hormuz – access to 1/4 of the worlds oil, some tinderkeg scenarios open up.

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  25. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Lance, would these be the same Arabs who vote for the two state solution every year at the UN, along with nearly every other country except for the US and Israel (and sometimes Australia and Canada depending on the current bribe on offer) and the same Arabs who, in addition, have offered full normalization of relations to Israel in return for a two state settlement?

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  26. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Grumpy, that was dated November 2010.

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  27. fatnuts (160 comments) says:

    Luc, refer be below:

    “The IPCC, the UK Hadley and CRU, NOAA CCSP and NASA models all predict less snow for the hemisphere and major populated regions as temperatures warmed.”

    http://www.nipccreport.org/articles/2011/apr/13apr2011a3.html

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  28. Brian Smaller (4,023 comments) says:

    @Luc Hansen – you mean the same Arabs that vote for a two state solution, and then say “from the Jordan to the sea.” The only solution they want is a Final Solution. They are probably honest men – why wont you take them at their word? The Israelis do.

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  29. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    Great column by Richard Boock on Stuff today about the journalists getting taken in by Dylan Clements over the Waitangi Day pub crawl. There must be some red faces at Fairfax and APN…

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/02/boock-on-wowsers.html

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  30. KevinH (1,227 comments) says:

    The SBW fight was a comedy farce and Tillman was blatantly taking the money. SBW would not last 2 mins with a genuine heavyweight like Tua, and would probably last 2 rounds with Shane mountain man Cameron, because Shane wouldn’t want to mess SBW’s good looks up to quickly.
    Come on guys give us something real.

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  31. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    Lance I notice some so called NZ citizens were saying we should be understanding when a Israeli firster who was born in NZ helped Mossadd to try and steal NZ passport then he ran home to Israel.

    Fuck some of you lot would have dual NZ/Israelis working in our passport section.

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  32. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    Brian Smaller And that is the point, Israel cannot stop Iran getting nukes unless the Yanks invade Iran for regime change.
    And yes there are Israeli firsters in the USA who would happily chant onward xtian soldiers.
    The same dumb fucks who stated all Iraqis would welcome an invasion.

    No doubt they still believe the Iranians would not fight an invasion.

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  33. Lee01 (2,171 comments) says:

    Luc,

    “Lance, would these be the same Arabs who vote for the two state solution every year at the UN, along with nearly every other country except for the US and Israel”

    We already have a two state solution. Jordan is the other state. There is no need for a “palestinian” state. There is no such thing as a “palestinian”. They are Arabs. The entire notion of a palestinian people needing a state is a post 1948 myth created by the Arabs to justify Arab fascist terrorism against Jews. The “palestinians” are an invented people. If the Arabs currently occupying Jewish land want their own state, they can move to Jordan.

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  34. fatnuts (160 comments) says:

    Lee, even the US accepts the two state solution. And they’re picking up the tab.

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  35. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Ripped off by Bullion Buyer:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10784326

    The writing was on the wall given their only ‘broker’ was done for fraud in the US and had already lost hundreds of thousands of other people’s money:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10750391

    Bullion Buyer is run by Grace Holdings NZ Ltd, whose sole director is Robert Kairua (also a director of KIWI SUPERANNUATION LIMITED) although another director, Simon George Bratley, only resigned in January

    http://www.business.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/individual/search?q=bratley+simon&roleType=DIR&indEntityTypes=ALL&indDirStatus=ALL&indEntityStatusGroups=ALL&addressKeyword=&advancedPanel=false#results

    If it seems too good to be true – it probably is.

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  36. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    @grumpy
    Love the rhetoric;
    Anyone pro Israel is labelled “Israel firster”. Haven’t seen that title used for anyone else pro a certain country.
    Then if someone doesn’t agree with you they are a “so called NZ citizens”

    Who taught you to use those phrases?

    What a sock puppet

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  37. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    Lance, are you stating that that arsehole who committed treason while being a NZ citizen was not a Israeli firster ?

    A yank cousin was telling me of so called US citizens who put Israel above the USA’s interests, and yes they dislike the truth being pointed out that they are Israeli firsters.

    Maybe you can point out another country that tried to steal our passports ?

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  38. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    @grumpy
    If he is a traitor then call him a traitor, hell I wasn’t excusing it! This new bullshit term Israel firster is not used for Russian firster etc.
    If you read carefully is was the rhetoric I was criticizing

    Reeks of towing a party line and using the latest fad labels, hence why I think you sound like a sock puppet.

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  39. F E Smith (3,305 comments) says:

    grumpy,

    Re your 10.47am comment: Vlad the Impaler was not Russian.

    I will ignore the rest of your views as they are simply trolling.

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  40. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    Some sabre rattling from the mad mullahs.

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/ayatollah-kill-all-jews-annihilate-israel/

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  41. Scott Chris (6,139 comments) says:

    RightNow says:- “Fritz Vahrenholt, prominent German Social Democrat and former German Environment Minister”

    1) He was never Germany’s environment minister. He was the SDP’s environment senator for Hamburg in the 1970s where he incurred the wrath of the environmental lobby by building a waste incineration plant.

    2) He subsequently worked for Shell.

    3) He has only given his book to one climatologist, Jochem Marotzke, the director of the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Hamburg, to read prior to its publication. Marotzke’s assessment is clear:

    :arrow: “Vahrenholt represents the standpoints of climate skeptics. “A number of the hypotheses in the book were refuted long ago.””

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  42. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    Lance, so what you are saying is that you have a problem with NZ natives having freedom of speech.
    Yes Israeli firster is not polite, but for too many it is accurate.

    So with your support for Israel do you have any problems that NZ citizens could have been put at risk if Mossadd had managed to steal a NZ passport to use to murder some Arab ?

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  43. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    Oh my God, the evil bastard worked for Shell…….that’s it then he must be a right bad ‘un. Any links to Nazism?

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  44. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    @ grumpy
    Oh FFS
    Stop making shit up
    Trolling much

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  45. Griff (7,728 comments) says:

    g o hori is a Maori firster ha ha ha

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  46. fatnuts (160 comments) says:

    Scott, so no rebutt of the actual argument, just character assasination. And he is doing is restating known data asking for debate.

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  47. plebe (271 comments) says:

    Whats new the CTV building in CHCH was built dueing the McLay /Bolger era , typicle national slackness of building standards, still continues

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  48. plebe (271 comments) says:

    If the grumpyoldhori was a Israeli or a Jew ,he would still have his country , those jews know when to fight not like the maori who only stuck their tongues out and had their wahines show there butts.

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  49. Pete George (23,568 comments) says:

    Interested in getting comments on this exchange:

    “It’s common knowledge that male bonding with children begins and ends with sporting events.”

    Wrong, it begins with a sound thrashing and ends with a clip around the ear.

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  50. wat dabney (3,769 comments) says:

    …an integrated and radically egalitarian world economy where production is based on social need and not on private profit.

    Teenager alert!

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  51. reid (16,471 comments) says:

    It’s amazing how some, even some astute people here, can’t see the truth about what’s happening re: Iran, geopolitically.

    I mean all one needs to do is look at Iraq to see the parallels, which I can’t be arsed enumerating for they have been so well traversed that anyone who is interested in that region HAS to know about them. Unless that is, one only consumes “news” from western MSM and western think tanks.

    But its so obvious and always has been.

    Yet some won’t, can’t, don’t want to see it.

    Amazing, as I say, but not surprising. No, I’ve stopped being surprised. After all, if one of the richest most powerful countries in the world can fool almost (almost) its entire citizenry of 300m people as the US has been doing for decades now over its real motivations in Central America then in the ME then in its own country where its own politics have become completely and utterly corrupted, well, what chance do citizens of this tiny land have of understanding anything at all.

    Surprisingly effective is all the Tavistock propaganda but then, that’s what it does 24/7/365. But somewhat pathetic I have to say, to see even astute people taken in by it. But they know how to hide it all in plain sight, as well as how to make it appear that any deviation from the standard line is seen as absurd. To someone really astute, that’s a clue as well, but that’s far to advanced for some people above who haven’t even passed first base, re: scales dropping.

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  52. fatnuts (160 comments) says:

    Reid, is the conspriacy theory to which you vaugely refer, one where the US engineers ‘compliant’ regimes about the ME to secure corporate access to oil? In Syria’s case leveraging off the ‘Arab Spring’. It’s about Iran, and her allies right. Somehow there’s a grand plan to neutralise that threat (oil supply threat that is), and render Iran blunted. Which would be a best case outcome. Iran goes nuclear, and the game changes.

    Please indulge me here..

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  53. reid (16,471 comments) says:

    No theory fatnuts and I can’t be arsed indulging anyone, let alone someone as ignorant as you.

    If you care to open your mind you will see the reasons why the US/Israel/UK has been doing this. It’s all there. Why don’t you just fuck off and look it up yourself if you’re interested, or are you too stupid to know the keywords to type in?

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  54. Griff (7,728 comments) says:

    The Department Of Defense briefed the President this morning. They told President Obama that 2 Brazilian soldiers were killed in Iraq. He collapsed onto his desk, head in his hands, visibly shaken almost in tears. Finally, he composed himself and asked, “Just how many is a brazilian?”

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  55. fatnuts (160 comments) says:

    Real mature Reid. Well done.

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  56. Griff (7,728 comments) says:

    http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/bl-glenn-beck-conspiracy.htm?PS=361%2C890%2C864%2C480%3A3

    Try here fatnuts

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  57. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Chief Winston Peters cheerleader and supporter Claire Trevett (political editor of the NZ Herald) will be
    gutted with Winstons laughable performance in parliament today.

    After her sycophantic suck up to him in the Herald today he has let her down badly.

    Claires baleen whales have now gone a whole week and still no krill to eat.
    The Muhammed Ali punch question was batted off like a drunk fly, this time by Brownlee.

    Winston is looking quite sad and confused these days. A shadow of his former self.

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  58. reid (16,471 comments) says:

    fatnuts if you’d asked me nicely what information I had to support my contention I would have answered accordingly with all sorts of links that I’ve bookmarked over the years to all sorts of articles predicting all sorts of things with all sorts of evidence on Iran vs US/Israel/UK but I’ve discovered that with people like you, it’s a waste of fucking time, because you’re not interested in looking at any evidence except that which supports your current worldview and when someone suggests something which counters that you turn all sneery like you did and I just can’t be fucked taking that sort of shit from anyone anymore, ever. It’s a recent decision.

    My 9,900 odd comments here over the last ten or so years have given me a track record that stands the test of time in terms of predictive value, whether or not one agrees with the points I make which traverse both domestic and international politics. I’ve been telling people for years the US/UK/Israel will be coming after Iran and I’ve explained why many times and what you should be looking for it you want to predict what will happen when it turns from a cold war into a hot one which it will, just in time to make Obama look like a wartime President, not that this is the central reason why they’re doing it so please don’t misunderstand and misinterpret the point I just made because that happens a lot too, when I make a passing aside and people in their profound ignorance misinterpret that so to spell it out for you, that wartime President comment refers to timing, not to motive.

    See? Imagine discussing complex issues like Iran with people so appallingly ignorant I even have to spell out shit like that.

    The only reason I made that 6:22 comment was to inform Grumpy he’s not alone and he’s on the right track, which helps when you’re out on a debating limb, which I am, most of the time. And the reason I am, is because maybe, just maybe, there’s one single person out there in whom is stirring a disquiet about the Iran thing and they just wonder, just wonder, if maybe there might be something to it. But mostly it’s people like you, which frankly is exactly like debating the economy or AGW with lefties: in that they, are you, are so profoundly wrong and arrogant that you can’t see past your nose on the topic, notwithstanding the truth about it is so fucking obvious as to be writ large in flaming letters a million foot high, be it about how the economy works, how AGW isn’t real or how Iran is a setup.

    So like I said, look it up yourself, for I’m not interested in casting pearls before swine, these days.

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  59. fatnuts (160 comments) says:

    Griff. That’s more like it. Isn’t the point of having a nutball conspiracy theory that you tell everyone about it??

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  60. Steve (4,563 comments) says:

    Mr Dotcom.

    Let’s say a dodgy guy goes to Hirepool and hires a crowbar. False name, false ID, stolen Credit Card.

    He then smashes a Jewelery Shop window and takes the goods. He smashes a Computer Shop window and takes the goods. He smashes a Music Store window and takes the goods.

    Does Hirepool get taken to Court for providing the tool? No.

    Mr Dotcom is a test case. Why did the FBI do this in NZ? Cheaper, that’s why

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  61. fatnuts (160 comments) says:

    Reid. I did say please. Take a chill pill already. I was genuinely interested in your opinion.

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  62. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    The attractive young woman was about to go to bed with her blind date
    when she burst into tears. “I’m afraid you’ll get the wrong idea about
    me,” she said between sobs. “I’m really not that kind of girl!”

    “I believe ya,” her date said, as he tried to comfort her.

    “You’re the first one,” she gulped.

    “The first one to make love to you?” he asked.

    “No!” she replied. “The first one to believe me.”

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  63. Griff (7,728 comments) says:

    An environmentalist dies and reports to the pearly gates. St. Peter checks his dossier and says, “Ah, you’re an environmentalist–you’re in the wrong place.” Thinking that heaven could never make an error, the environmentalist reports to the gates of hell and is let in. Pretty soon, the environmentalist gets dissatisfied with the environment in hell and starts implementing eco-friendly improvements. After a while, global warming, air and water
    pollution are under control. The landscape is covered with grass and plants, the food is organic, and the people are happy. The environmentalist has become a pretty popular guy. One day, God calls Satan up on the telephone and says with a sneer, “So, how’s it going down there in hell?” Satan replies, “Hey, things are going great. We’ve got clean air and water, the temperature is better and the food tastes better, and there’s no telling what this environmentalist is going to fix next.” God replies, “What??? You’ve got an environmentalist? That’s a mistake–he should never have gotten down there; send him up here.” Satan says, “No way. I like having an environmentalist on the staff, and I’m keeping him.” God says, “Send him back up here or I’ll sue.” Satan laughs uproariously and answers, “Yeah, right. And just where are you going to get a lawyer?”

    . Q. How many environmentalists does it take to change a light bulb? A. Ten. One to write the light bulb a letter requesting that it change. Four to circulate online petitions. One to file a lawsuit demanding it change. One to send the light bulb loving kindness, knowing that this is the only way real change occurs. One to accept the light bulb precisely the way it is, clear in the knowledge that to not accept another is to do great harm to oneself. One to write a book about how and why the light bulb needs to change. And finally, one to smash the #$^#&ing light bulb, because we all know it’s never going to change.”

    How many climate sceptics does it take to change a lightbulb? A: None. It’s too early to say if the light bulb needs changing.

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  64. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    Just read “The Economic Sabotage Of The West”

    http://www.eurasiareview.com/09022012-the-economic-sabotage-of-the-west-oped/

    Luc to a T.

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  65. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    Griff

    Even as a skeptic I’ve got to give you an “A+” for the last one.

    That said,us Northern Wairarapa types really couldn’t care less even if Global warming/climate change/weather occurs. It will give us a fine opportunity to sit on our mountains shouting, “Oi Jaffa, fancy a Pineapple?” as we watch Auckland drown.

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  66. Nostalgia-NZ (5,213 comments) says:

    Steve 7.28

    Maybe not so much a test case, but an opportunity to cut corners and rack up some ‘credibility’ in a foriegn court. Like the young Englishman due for deportation to the states, having Dotcom arrive in chains and penniless is a preferred picture and it fits with the drama of his capture from the sky. I don’t know for sure, but it also may have expediated the closing down of megaupload. To my knowledge it’s unprecendented for a whole business to be closed down without warning, and where the ‘good and the alleged bad’ of that business is stopped from trading without due process.

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  67. Griff (7,728 comments) says:

    Seven wise men with knowledge so fine,
    created a pussy to their design.
    First was a butcher,
    with smart wit,
    using a knife,
    he gave it a slit,
    Second was a carpenter,
    strong and bold,
    with a hammer and chisel,
    he gave it a hole,
    Third was a tailor,
    tall and thin,
    by using red velvet,
    he lined it within,
    Fourth was a hunter,
    short and stout,
    with a piece of fox fur,
    he lined it without,
    Fifth was a fisherman,
    nasty as hell,
    threw in a fish and gave it a smell,
    Sixth was a preacher,
    whose name was McGee,
    he touched it and blessed it,
    and said it could pee,
    Last was a sailor,
    dirty little runt,
    he sucked it and fucked it,
    and called it a c*&t.

    This jafa will not drown he will just sail away

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  68. Steve (4,563 comments) says:

    Auckland ain’t drowning nasska, we are just getting rid of the rifraf that fuck up Auckland (MUNZ)

    Auckland would be a more beutifull place if it did not have to subsidise the rest of NZ. btw Mayor for sale, anyone want a dropkick?
    Come up one day, you may like it. This cookie lives on the tropical side of the bridge.

    :)

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  69. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    Steve

    I spent four weeks in Auckland in 1987 & I came to the realisation that should I never set foot in the place for the rest of my life I would still die a happy man. That said I appreciate that North Shore has quite a bit to recommend it.

    Love North Auckland for the climate & fishing but the natives are getting a bit restless lately.

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  70. Steve (4,563 comments) says:

    Nostalgia-NZ
    “having Dotcom arrive in chains and penniless is a preferred picture and it fits with the drama of his capture from the sky”

    The Media will lap it up. Makes Obama look good, I mean the Bin Laden thing is old hat now.

    “US President stops Internet Piracy” sounds good.

    Timing :)

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  71. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Steve,

    Does Hirepool get taken to Court for providing the tool? No.

    No. [According to the allegations...] Firstly the authorities say “Mr Hirepool, people are hiring crowbars from you for the purpose of committing crime. Take measures to ensure you are hiring to people with legitimate purposes.”

    “Sure” says Hirepool, and pretends to store the crowbars away, but actually, on the sly, lets anyone who wants them have them – no questions asked.

    The authorities take action….

    More than a bit of an odd analogy, but it is the case [as far legal requirements go] with spray paint cans today, as it is with medical products with pseudoephedrine, as it is with ciggies and booze (age constraints in their case.)

    The allegations as have been released point to Dotcom’s business being instructed to remove copyrighted material, but merely removing some (the spotted and reported links) while leaving the material available through links that had not yet been found and reported by those objecting.

    In other words [from the perspective of those making the allegations] – they hadn’t actually removed the illicit material.

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  72. TimG_Oz (862 comments) says:

    Other_Andy .. this link is not bad either

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  73. Steve (4,563 comments) says:

    @ bhudson 8.58

    ““Sure” says Hirepool, and pretends to store the crowbars away, but actually, on the sly, lets anyone who wants them have them – no questions asked.”
    You may do that, I would not.

    “In other words [from the perspective of those making the allegations] – they hadn’t actually removed the illicit material”
    Tell me one thing bhudson, how come the big noises pick on Dotcom and not all of the pedo hosters? Mr Dotcom makes big news but a pedo poster in jail is fuck all.
    It is all media bullshit hudson

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  74. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Steve,

    It would appear from recent media reports (including one today on Stuff) that the authorities here and abroad (including the US) certainly are going after the those hosting and sharing child pornography.

    Irrespective or whether or not they are getting them all, it doesn’t lessen the crimes of Dotcom [assuming, of course, that he is tried and found guilty]

    Only due process in the US will determine whether it was “all media bullshit” or not.

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  75. Steve (4,563 comments) says:

    “Irrespective or whether or not they are getting them all, it doesn’t lessen the crimes of Dotcom [assuming, of course, that he is tried and found guilty]”

    What crimes? did you mean allegations?
    Give it up, explaining is losing

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  76. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Steve,

    You will notice the parentheses – the note that the crimes have yet to be proven.

    However, for your benefit, I hereby change it to: “Irrespective of the whether or not they are getting them all [the "pedo hosters" in your previous comment], it doesn’t lessen the allegations against Dotcom.”

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  77. Nostalgia-NZ (5,213 comments) says:

    bhudson

    What are you saying about dotcom’s activitiies and pornograpy, what charges are you talking about?

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  78. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Nostalgia-NZ,

    I made no connection to Dotcom and child pornography. Steve noted that the “big noises” should be going for all of the “pedo hosters” instead of Dotcom.

    I noted that they do appear to be going for the “pedo hosters” and that whether or not they are getting all of them does not impact the crimes of Dotcom (assuming he is found guilty – which I subsequently amended to allegations after Steve’s later comment.)

    To my knowledge, no one has accused Dotcom of being a “pedo hoster”

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  79. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    nasska @ 8.28 and 8.48
    Sorry but,
    Now you have given an example right there of the decay of New Zealand nationalism that i was on about
    after watching the US Superbowl and being struck how Americans love America. And Kiwis used to but don’t
    anymore.

    You seem to say that you would take pleasure if you could see our largest city drown.

    You turn out to be a disgrace after all.

    You hate New Zealand ? (Auckland)
    Why don’t you just fuck off then ?
    You wont be missed.

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  80. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

    How come ‘consultation’ on the ‘Mixed Ownership Model’ has been ‘extended’ only to (some?) Maori?

    Opposed to State Asset sales?

    Let Treasury know what YOU think!

    “Submissions may be sent by email to mixed-ownership-consultation@treasury.govt.nz or by post to:
    FreePost Authority No.126395″

    http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/reviews-consultation/mixed-ownership

    Extending the Mixed Ownership Model Consultation with Māori

    Page updated 3 Feb 2012

    The Government has announced that it will consult with Māori on legislative changes it considers are necessary to proceed with its policy of mixed ownership for four State Owned Enterprises (SOEs): Genesis Power, Meridian Energy, Mighty River Power and Solid Energy New Zealand.

    The Government is seeking written submissions on its proposal to remove the four SOEs from the State-Owned Enterprises Act and put them under new legislation that ensures the Government retains at least 51 per cent and other individual shareholdings are limited to 10 per cent.
    About This Consultation Process

    A consultation document, together with information on how to make written submissions, is available on this web page.

    The deadline for receipt of submissions is 5pm on 22 February 2012.

    The Government is holding a series of consultation hui as a further means of presenting its proposals and receiving feedback from interested parties. Note that the start time for the hui in Auckland has changed from the originally advertised time of 3.30pm to the new time of 5.00pm.
    Consultation Hui Date Time Venue Location
    8 February 10.00am – 1.00pm Distinction Rotorua Rotorua
    8 February 3.00pm – 6.00pm Waikato Stadium Hamilton
    9 February 3.00pm – 6.00pm Whanganui Racecourse Whanganui
    10 February 9.30am – 12.30pm Toll Stadium Whangarei
    10 February 5.00pm – 8.00pm Novotel Auckland Airport Auckland
    14 February 10.00am – 1.00pm Waihopai Runaka
    Murihiku Marae Invercargill
    14 February 4.00pm – 7.00pm Chateau on the Park Christchurch
    15 February 10.00am – 1.00pm Emerald Hotel Gisborne
    15 February 3.30pm – 6.30pm Te Puni Kokiri Wellington
    Documents
    Documents are available in Adobe PDF or Microsoft Word format only. Please contact information@treasury.govt.nz to request HTML versions. Using PDF Files
    Date Title Download
    1 Feb 2012 Extension of the Mixed Ownership Model: A proposal to change legislation in relation to: Genesis Power, Meridian Energy, Mighty River Power, Solid Energy New Zealand: Consultation with Māori
    Consultation document, includes information on the submission process. Updated 3 February 2012 with new start and end times for the Auckland consultation hui. mom-cons-maori-v2.pdf (292 KB)
    1 Feb 2012 Mixed Ownership Consultation Submission Template
    Downloadable form in MS Word 2003 format. mom-subm-form.doc (70 KB)
    27 Jan 2012 Media statement by Hon Bill English, Minister of Finance and Hon Tony Ryall, Minister for State Owned Enterprises: Iwi consultation for partial SOE share floats On the Beehive website.
    Submissions

    The deadline for receipt of submissions is 5pm on 22 February 2012.

    Submissions may be sent by email to mixed-ownership-consultation@treasury.govt.nz or by post to:
    FreePost Authority No.126395
    Mixed Ownership Consultation: Consultation with Māori
    Commercial Transactions Group
    The Treasury
    PO Box 3724
    Wellington 6140 ”

    Penny Bright

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  81. wreck1080 (3,918 comments) says:

    LA county has banned throwing frisbees and balls on their beaches.

    Also banned, is digging holes in the sand more than 30cm deep.

    Those breaking these rules may be fined $1000usd.

    CRAZY WORLD!

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  82. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    “State Assets” are assets to those who comprise the state…not to those forced to fund them.

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  83. big bruv (13,904 comments) says:

    Penny

    We had an election, the people gave the Nat’s a mandate to sell state assets.

    What part of democracy do you not like?

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  84. Nostalgia-NZ (5,213 comments) says:

    bhudson 9.54

    Yes, I’m sure that’s right. In fact I believe he’s been active against them.

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  85. Griff (7,728 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10784546
    Dotcom home stripped of geek chic
    But it has emerged police officers also removed items of value that were not on the initial court order, including Mrs Dotcom’s jewellery.
    Why he is not charged with any crime in this country
    he has not been found guilty of any crime any where

    This stinks

    His property will be damaged in moving why could it not be left where it was
    This did not happen in the bridgecorp case did it?
    Fuck of USA FBI and the stupid corporations

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  86. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    @big bruv 6:59 am

    Actually not, bruv.

    Lab 27.48% + Green 11.06% + NZF 6.59% + Maori 1.43% + Mana 1.08% + Conservative 2.65% = 50.29%

    So the majority of voters voted for parties that oppose asset sales. The only reason the Nats have a Parliamentary majority for assets sales are the quirks of the electoral system that left the Conservatives unrepresented and effectively gave the Nats 2 MPs for the votes for one in Ohariu and Epsom.

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  87. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    big bruv asks: “What part of democracy do you not like?”

    Probably the part that revealed that her level of ‘support’ from various electorates hovers around the margin of error.

    A trend that she has made her own.

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  88. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    toad refers to: “quirks of the electoral system…”

    Pot. Kettle. Black.

    These same ‘quirks’ gave the Gweens MP status in Parliament despite the fact that no-one voted for a single Gween MP because the candidates stood as some collective on a ‘list’. You can’t have it both ways.

    But at least you recognise that National *does* have a mandate – courtesy of the general election last November. That’s why they sit to the right of the speaker in Parliament / that’s why they can pass legislation / that’s why the partial asset sale programme will proceed.

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