Harawira praises Key

February 6th, 2012 at 10:20 am by David Farrar

Well, this is surprising. The Herald reports:

Mr Harawira said he “hated to say it” but he admired Mr Key for choosing to be the “bigger man”.

“In my view he is to be respected, that in the face of opposition – some of it quite strident – he chooses to come back year after year.”

Key’s response is the right one, in my opinion also. The PM should be at Waitangi on .

However I have been of the view for some time that we should have a , as well as a Waitangi Day.

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56 Responses to “Harawira praises Key”

  1. RRM (9,451 comments) says:

    Or perhaps we could just make Waitangi Day into more of a New Zealand Day, by giving Maori(TM) less airtime and looking at our history in a more positive light?

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  2. redqueen (456 comments) says:

    I agree. And we could hold it in Wellington…to coincide with the Sevens?

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  3. tvb (4,203 comments) says:

    No I think we should press on as things are. The protesters are a small group and we should simply keep persisting which seems to be John key’s strategy.

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  4. Steve (4,499 comments) says:

    Hone playing stategic games? Maybe.

    By all means have a New Zealand Day, and keep Waitangi Day as well. Just ban the media. They are the ones who give the radicals oxygen. I would like to see more of the ceremony instead of some arsewipe charging at John Key

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  5. tas (593 comments) says:

    I doubt it hurts Key electorally. So why should he stop?

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  6. Alan Wilkinson (1,816 comments) says:

    I’m happy for Key to keep attending so long as he first annuls the Treaty.

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  7. Akaroa (539 comments) says:

    Sigh! Waitangi Day again. Same old, same old.

    I’m not an activist – for or against – just the man in the street. But I get a bit fed up year after year seeing people throwing their toys out of the cot over some issue that – as far as I’m, concerned – is hidden in, and obscured by, the mists of time to the degree that no-one living is able to say with confidence what the relationship between Maori and Pakeha was intended to be or should be.

    And although a lot of people like me weren’t born in New Zealand, we come from societies that can trace their origins – literally – back into the actual mists of time before recorded history. I’m talking thousands of years here, not a mere nine hundred or so. So maybe we ought to be credited with having learned along the way something about human relations and the functions of society.

    My point? Haven’t got one really, but I’ll tell you this, having come here over thirty years ago keen to absorb all I could about New Zealand, its people, its history and its society, I am now completely over all that malarkey. My message is grow up, make the best of what WE – emphasis on the WE – have got and for goodness sake try to get over all this Treaty rubbish.

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  8. Longknives (4,454 comments) says:

    Well said Akaroa….

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  9. Manolo (13,363 comments) says:

    Surely, praise from a known thug like Harawira cannot be good or positive.
    PM Key will continue being as weak as piss. Someone lend him some balls, please.

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  10. mikenmild (10,708 comments) says:

    Akaroa

    People will ‘get over all this Treaty rubbish’ when they no longer bear a sense of grievance over past wrongs.

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  11. Paulus (2,501 comments) says:

    The Media have a lot to answer for in regards to Waitangi Day. They deliberately hype up trouble for days in advance so they can have something by which to sell newspapers, and watch their ratings.
    Look at the Herald today – usual disgrace.

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  12. Alan Wilkinson (1,816 comments) says:

    I think it is time to fund a Supreme Court challenge to the Treaty. In my opinion it is crystal clear that had the Treaty placed any onerous on-going open-ended obligations on Maori, other than those all New Zealanders have, the Courts would have thrown out the Treaty as invalid and non-binding on Maori many decades ago.

    That being the case, the Crown is not bound by the Treaty but merely continues to honour it by political will.

    A judicial ruling to that effect puts the onus clearly back on the politicians to stop the nonsense of treating New Zealanders unequally on the basis of a commitment made 170 years and some seven or eight generations ago.

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  13. labours a joke (442 comments) says:

    Yep spot on Akaroa. We all need to move forward as one people, none of this us and them. I get sick to death of maori spouting on about ” our people “. We are all one , grow up and move forward. The likes of milkmike can continue to live in the past..alone.

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  14. thor42 (916 comments) says:

    New Zealand Day **as well as** Waitangi Day?
    I beg to differ, DPF. I’d like to see New Zealand Day (on a different date) **instead of** Waitangi Day.
    It is time to completely remove the stage from the protesters.
    Put New Zealand Day in (say) August, in the middle of the long June-October period that has no public holidays at present. Sure, the Harawira clan will still try their hijinks, but they will be ignored. The stage will have been removed from them.
    Australia has MUCH MORE to be ashamed of, with their “stolen generation” and all that, and yet THEY are able to celebrate their national day.
    We should be able to do the same.

    [DPF: If you abolish Waitangi Day and have a NZ Day, then the protests will just happen on NZ Day. We need both days, so one is a genuine celebration]

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  15. EverlastingFire (291 comments) says:

    The praise from a Harawira is a failure by the PM. Refusing to placate to the racists – that is being the bigger man.

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  16. GPT1 (2,088 comments) says:

    I used to think that it was the right thing for the PM to go to Waitangi as well but after this year’s nonsense over asset sales (which is a political issue not a treaty issue however Hone wants to spn it) I’ve changed my mind.

    Why should our political leaders trundle up to Waitangi year after year to be abused? Maybe some host responsibility might assist as well.

    But until Waitangi becames a celebration (and a reflection on the past) I say give up on it.

    Beyond a holiday Waitangi day is meaningless to most New Zealanders.

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  17. yesjg (43 comments) says:

    It seems to me that all Waitangi day does is keep alive grievances both real and imaginary from one section of society. My question is this: How can that be good for the population as a whole when they see the same nonsense year after year from the same people who appear to have no respect for either members of the Government or their own elders?

    In my view it would be far better to replace Waitangi Day with a New Zealand Day with the celebrations centered on the nations capital. This would give a different emphasis to the day and also help to negate the effect of radicals taking over what is after all a national day.

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  18. Redbaiter (7,619 comments) says:

    Key got what he asked for at Waitangi, only not enough.

    The spineless little rat (along with Tinkerbell Finlayson) has been treacherously selling out all other NZers since he was first elected with his gutless pandering to separatists and tribalists and racists.

    Taking the National Party far from its roots, Key and most of his Ministers would be more at home in the Labour Party, where racial dissent is at least honestly acknowledged as part of the overall Marxist plan for NZ.

    Key doesn’t have the brains to stop listening to the cabal of progressive left wing “media advisors” who surround him and whose advice caused him to lose at least 50,000 votes in the last election.

    That’s good really, because continuing to kiss separatist arse will see him lose many more votes next election and hopefully we’ll then see the last of this cringing liberal cur and his socialist loser acolytes.

    Pandering to separatists by buying into their propaganda and lies, and giving them huge amounts of totally undeserved taxpayer money, only leads to more of them.

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  19. wahanui (4 comments) says:

    I guess its hard to acknowledge that you as a migrant in Aotearoa benefit from the theft and violation of all that makes Maori Maori. Pakeha and migrants are benefactors of stolen good evidenced by the fact that The Treaty hasnt been thrown out by any court of the land and the compentations paid out to tribes because of historical crimes.

    What dont you all get with this picture.

    It has been the politicians present and past that has seen us through depression,wars,recessions and the rich will always bail themselves out at the expence of those who had nothing or little to do with the mismanagement of our hard earned tax.
    There is a challenge why dont you go to a Marae infact Ill tell you which one to express your views go to Te Ti Marae if you truelly believe we have to get over it and move on.

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  20. wahanui (4 comments) says:

    I must also add you say that although we can trace our greivences and whakapa to what 900 years or so that we should forget it Yet I have never heard anyone say that the Jewish people should get over the Holocaust. Maori experienced their own holocaust and to some degree still do.

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  21. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    On ya Red advcoating violence against the Prime Minister of New Zealand.

    Once that would have been treason .

    But the again they stopped hanging the mentally afflicted years ago so you would be safe.

    I would have thought he acted the exact opposite of spineless in fronting up, but then again I’m not bat shit crazy like you are.

    You are just a sad loon

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  22. Peter (1,578 comments) says:

    We need Margret Thatcher.

    Can’t imagine her putting up with any of this BS.

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  23. nasska (10,659 comments) says:

    If we are going to keep this day we need to change the name. Waitangi Day is far too inclusive.

    How about “Indigenous Protest & Grievance Day”? At least then we wouldn’t have to go through the charades of inclusiveness & the ritual humiliation of our leaders. The media & a choreographed world class pack of separatist bleaters could have the stage to themselves.

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  24. Redbaiter (7,619 comments) says:

    “We need Margret Thatcher.”

    Even in her present state of advanced senility, she’d be so much of an improvement over Jelly Back Johnny.

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  25. reid (15,942 comments) says:

    I reckon on a day like today we should have huge military parades in all the cities where every single pointy thing is polished up and rolled down main street, just to remind ourselves how far we’ve come since those dark days of yore where the only pointy things we had were bayonets and a few stupid muzzle-loaders. We could have floats where the neighbourhood kids and schools have competitions to see who build a float with say the best pa site that’s just been overrun by the heroic red-coats.

    We just don’t remember our history enough, these days.

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  26. nasska (10,659 comments) says:

    reid

    Nice proposal but a tad too inclusive for the Harawira clan. We would probably have to have a separate category of float eschewing metal fastenings for flax ties & carried by slaves as the wheel was introduced by the evil colonialists. There would have to be time allowed for regular hakas en route & facilities would be needed at the end of the parade in which to hangi the redundant slaves.

    Your frivolous bonhomie is not acceptable for such a day of serious protest.

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  27. Tautaioleua (282 comments) says:

    :D

    I prefer Helen Clark’s position on the matter. One shouldn’t flog a dead horse.

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  28. infused (636 comments) says:

    Waitangi Day should be New Zealand day.

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  29. Nookin (3,034 comments) says:

    Why would he “hate” to say it?

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  30. Manolo (13,363 comments) says:

    Nobody could feel sorry for the spineless John Key, dispirited leader of a once-proud party.

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  31. Nookin (3,034 comments) says:

    Key has done nothing that raises the question whether to feel sorry for him.

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  32. DJP6-25 (1,268 comments) says:

    Helen Clark had the right idea. Stay away altogether.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  33. grumpyoldhori (2,410 comments) says:

    Reid, well we horis will have a lot of rellies in the parade, so who is going to represent you pakeha ?

    But we do need a separate day for all the ranting white right wingers .

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  34. reid (15,942 comments) says:

    who is going to represent you pakeha

    We’re the Officers grumpy. Haven’t you noticed that?

    we do need a separate day for all the ranting white right wingers

    Yes we do. A national pride day where our glittering and glorious achievements in the fields of art, science and commerce and celebrated by the most dominant race in the entire history of global civilisation. The mighty Caucasians. I mean Asians have Chinese NY, where the hell is our special day?

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  35. adze (1,864 comments) says:

    Waitangi Day will eventually be (more or less) protest free, it just might take another generation or two. It will always be the national day. That said, we definitely do need a public holiday in the drought between June and October. And let’s get rid of Guy Fawkes Night. Completely the wrong time of year for us anyway.

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  36. Viking2 (11,128 comments) says:

    One is left wondering why we ned this racist separtist nonsence. What a waste of taxpayers money. And that’s what it really is so give taxpayers a vote about whether we should continue with this waste. Taxpayers only. and that doesn’t include those that only spend GST.

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  37. reid (15,942 comments) says:

    And let’s get rid of Guy Fawkes Night.

    As long as we have one night a year where we can blow up a bit of NZ just cause we can, that’s all I ask.

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  38. Dazzaman (1,123 comments) says:

    Surprised none of you dills have stumped up with the over lionized Hillary or Blakes birthdays/deaths/etc as an appropriate day for a silly Nu Zild day.

    Waitangi Day’s it….you sooks just need to get used to it.

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  39. pq (728 comments) says:

    Waitangi day is a a disgrace. any other day for NZ . we all own NZ.

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  40. Rightandleft (636 comments) says:

    I teach NZ history and I’ve studied the Treaty at Auckland Uni, but I think the way it is dealt with by the government today is incorrect. There’s nothing in the English version about partnership or special rights for Maori. But the problem with all the arguments about the Treaty is that we aren’t actually all discussing the same document. The Maori version is different from all 5 English translations of the Treaty. Yet according to the Treaty of Waitangi Act 1976 we have to take both versions as equally legal! When Brash and Harawira had their debate over Treaty issues last year they both kept citing the Treaty and saying they were upholding the principals of ToW. Finally Harawira said to Brash, “Have you even read the Maori version?” and Brash said he had not. So there was the problem, they were talking about different documents!

    The Maori version essentially promised Maori they’d continue to run their own affairs and the British governor would rule over Pakeha only and British law would apply to pakeha only. The Maori would allow British settlement in return for British military protection from other colonial powers, and more importantly, protection from lawless British settlers fueling inter-tribal warfare and cheating Maori out of land. The English-language version we all know said Maori gave up control of the country in its entirety in return for the rights of British subjects. If we were to actually honour the spirit of what the Maori thought they were signing we’d have to allow them a separate Parliament, a separate legal code etc. This is the version the Maori sepratists are reading and technically they’re right. Except for one little issue.

    Harawira says the Maori language version is the only acceptable one because international and UN conventions say the native-language version is the only legal one. But international convention also says treaty signers cannot be bribed into signing away other’s rights. The treaty signers at Waitangi were given gifts in return for signing. In fact many refused to come forward to sign until their names were called and the gifts clearly offered. The Treaty is thus null and void under international law. It only has the power our government chooses to give to it.

    I should also be clear here that there is no proof the mistranslations were intentional. Henry Williams was not the expert translator, it was his brother who was in Tauranga for a funeral when Hobson arrived. Williams didn’t have long enough to do the translation either and the man dictating it to him, Hobson, was not a legal expert and actually misunderstood the English-language meaning of some of the English words he used. The main error was using the word “Kawanatanga” meaning “governance” rather than “rangatiratanga” for “sovereignty”. We’ll never know for sure if the error was honest mistake or intentional.

    I too think we need a separate New Zealand Day to be properly celebrated the same way Cananda and Australia do. However I think it should be held sometime in the summer months, same as the others. We want a national day when it is warm enough to bbq, go to parades and fireworks. Canaday Day is July 1, Australia Day is Jan 26, always in warm weather. Until 1934 we celebrated our national day on January 29th, the day Hobson arrived. Now it’s Auckland Anniversary Day, but that could be changed. The most patriotism I’ve ever seen in NZ was the RWC opening ceremonies and I thought that was really cool. I wish we could do that once a year, celebrate our bi-cultural beginnings and multi-cultural present and all things Kiwi.

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  41. Other_Andy (2,292 comments) says:

    @Rightandleft

    The obvious day would be the 25th of November.
    On the 25th of November 1947 the Statute of Westminster was passed which made New Zealand an independent state.

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  42. Paul Marsden (986 comments) says:

    This shite with Waitangi is no different to the maori shsyter from Kaitaia (adorned with tattoos), who makes his presence in my factory, seeking money to help his family coz his bro has been wrongly convicted of some crime he didn’t commit. Nice manners but with only one agenda. John Key et al, you’re all nieve idiots.

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  43. nasska (10,659 comments) says:

    The main reason most of us turn off at the mention of Waitangi Day has nothing to do with lack of patriotism or the absence of love for NZ. Rather it’s the bleating, whinging arseholes claiming to speak for all Maori while wrecking festivities in order to get free publicity for their status as victim.

    It would be better to shelve the ceremonies for ten years. For certain, as this weekends charade proves, the whole debacle does more to pull us apart than join us together.

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  44. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Correct Nasska

    Theres nothing wrong with the day its just the way that it is allowed to be hi jacked by fuck wits ( some Irish union git ,fuck off you).

    Move it from up there ,have it at a location where the protesters are kept out of, it can’t be at Waitangi because enough of those same fuckwits have right to go on the grounds.

    It absolutley appalling that a few(40 people?) can root something that done properly is pretty cool. And of course the media will not concentrate on anything positive.

    On a local note I was not spat on or assaulted on the golf course and flag burning was kept to a minimum even though there were several dozen of us of many different shades swinging sticks, we just enjoyed another perfect day in the eastern bay.

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  45. nasska (10,659 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay

    There’s no end in sight to Waitangi Day protests at least for the forseeable future. Even if every grievance were addressed tomorrow our professional protesters are addicted to the Waitangi adrenalin rush. The reasons for the whinging would just get sillier.

    You’ve got the right idea…enjoy the day with friends. If we can convince our dignitaries & politicians to do the same in time we’d neuter the protest groups by cutting off the oxygen of publicity.

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  46. big bruv (13,279 comments) says:

    If you watched state Television news today you would have thought that today is one that is celebrated by the entire nation. According to the presenters (am I the only one who finds Jack Tame to be an annoying little bastard?) all of us relaxed and bathed in the glory of our multi cultural nation, we all took time out to think of what the treaty means to us and how is unifies us as one people.

    The reality is quite different, I don’t know anybody who celebrates Waitangi day, not one single person. To most of us it is a day off, one that we frankly could do without given that most have only just returned from their holidays. The day off would be far better shifted to the middle of the year when we go for weeks on end without a public holiday.
    If we do take time out to think of the significance of the day we come to the conclusion that is signifies hate, separatism and failure.

    It seems that the PC brigade are desperate for us to embrace Waitangi day as one of great importance, the media seems hell bent on forcing the day down our throats.

    Waitangi day will NEVER be day that most Kiwis see as important, to 85% of us it is simply another day off. I would wager that our real national day is Anzac day, it always has been and always will be.

    What the media and PC wankers fail to realise is that Anzac Day achieves what they are all so desperate for Waitangi day to become. Anzac Day is the one day of the year when we are all indeed Kiwis, it is the one day of the year when we can all honestly say that the sacrifice was evenly spread and one day where we are all genuinely equal.

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  47. Paul Marsden (986 comments) says:

    big bruv

    Amen to that.

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  48. Yoza (1,543 comments) says:

    “To most of us it is a day off, one that we frankly could do without …”

    Piss off.

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  49. Rightandleft (636 comments) says:

    There are a few big problems with using Anzac Day as the national holiday. It is meant to be a rather sombre day dedicated to remembering the military dead, not exactly the right time for celebrations and fireworks. The date actually commemorates a military campaign which we lost, at very high cost in wasted lives. Also it tends to focus on the military losses in the World Wars. Many New Zealanders today don’t have links to NZ going back that far. My great-grandad fought in WWI and both my grandfathers in WWII but none served under the NZ flag so I don’t feel quite as much connection to that day. Australia has considered using Anzac Day to replace Australia Day, but decided against it because it was felt it would take away from its place as a day to honour the military dead.

    Another alternative date is Dominion Day, which commemerates NZ becoming a dominion within the British Empire in 1907. Problem is that day is in September, when the weather is often still pretty nasty.

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  50. labours a joke (442 comments) says:

    Well said Bruv.

    “I don’t know anybody who celebrates Waitangi day”

    Yoza obviously does.

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  51. Manolo (13,363 comments) says:

    This “refined” man has the cheek to talk about protocol: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/6373113/Key-should-have-eaten-at-marae-says-elder

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  52. Yoza (1,543 comments) says:

    “Well said Bruv.

    “I don’t know anybody who celebrates Waitangi day”

    Yoza obviously does.”

    I celebrate the same way everyone else does, by having a day off. However, as my Iwi were a part of the Kingitanga movement, and as such not signatories of the T.o.W, I think the day lacks a degree of credibility.

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  53. Pete George (22,828 comments) says:

    Waitangi Day has too many negatives for too many people – it should remain but it’s history of being a focus of protest will mean it will never be universally celebrated.

    The weather can be crappy at any time of year around New Zealand, so that shouldn’t decide when we have a Kiwi Day. September would fit in nicely with the start of spring, a time of growth and renewal.

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  54. Scott (1,707 comments) says:

    I actually had a very good Waitangi Day. My family and I went down to Wellington and enjoyed all the family entertainment at the waterfront. There was a wonderful concert going on and then we had lunch at a cafe afterwards. Then we went and visited Te Papa. It was a wonderful day and what Waitangi Day should be about. There were people from all cultures mingling together. Maori and Pakeha and Asian and others mingling together as one nation. There are lots of other concerts and celebrations going on in lots of other towns. That is what Waitangi Day should be about in my opinion.

    Unfortunately the left-wing media gives far too much credence to protesters and malcontents. DPF himself as a liberal is a great fan of protest. So he can’t talk. However anyone that was on the waterfront yesterday I think got a great understanding of what Waitangi Day could be and should be about. Coming together as one people and one nation. God bless all.

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  55. KevinH (1,131 comments) says:

    DPF says:

    Key’s response is the right one, in my opinion also. The PM should be at Waitangi on Waitangi Day.

    Whilst I would agree with that statement it should be remarked that the P.M. is not the Queen’s representative and that the P.M’s attendance has over the years become an ambigious role.
    According to the traditions of the signatories to the Treaty, the Queen’s representative , the Governor General, should be in attendance at Waitangi as well as forefilling the role as the Guest of Honour at Te Tii Marae.
    The P.M will be accorded the status of being the senior politician but not the Queen’s representative.

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  56. EDDZ08 (1 comment) says:

    Personally, I think a New Zealand Day celebration would be a great idea, I think it would give us the chance to celebrate TOGETHER all of the positive achievements WE have made together as a nation of not only Maori and Pakeha, but Pasific Islanders, Asian, Indian and all other nationalities living in New Zealand today. Obviously, you wouldn’t host it on the same day as Waitangi Day (Thor42)..

    However I totally agree that seeing Waitangi Day portrayed in a negative light by a) the fools holding the camera, b) the fools being filmed throwing a tantrum and 3) the GREAT politicians who supposedly pave the way when they actually set lite to these ‘fires’..

    Now I’m not defending nor oposing Maori/Pakeha in New Zealand, I am not an academic, I sometimes mis spell words but I do know that in regards to (Akaroa)”… no-one living is able to say with confidence what the relationship between Maori and Pakeha was intended to be or should be.” this to me is not even the point.

    In Maoridom you are taught that no matter how hard, rough, right or wrong history may be, it is to be remembered for a reason. It is something that helps you understand the present and plan your future for a better outcome. There is no way that we could do away with the treaty, it is apart of our history together as one nation and eventhough on that one day, once a year, for a couple of hours things are said, people get a bit out of hand and some get offended, annoyed, abused and so forth, if we didn’t remember the mistakes that we made, how could we learn from them. You say it was 160 years ago, and yet thats 160 years of opression, colonization, assimilation and then to be made out as the one in the wrong, I didn’t sign up for it and yet it happened and will continue for a long time to come.

    I am a New Zealander, but before that a Maori and before that a Tuhoe and I am PROUD.

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