Opposition whining
February 8th, 2012 at 1:00 pm by David FarrarDanya Levy at Stuff reports:
Opposition parties are outraged National is using the members’ bill ballot to advance laws updating old statutes which could be put through Parliament as government legislation.
Oh what a beat up by Labour and NZ First. Almost every members’ bill ever put up by a Government MP could be put through as government legislation in theory. But it is good for backbench MPs to gain experience of being in charge of a bill, and more importantly often law reform can occur quicker through the members ballot.
Labour and NZ First say their democratic right to progress their own legislation is being hampered by frivolous legislation.
The irony, after Labour fucked over the Greens and all other opposition MPs in 2008 2011 by fillibustering the VSM bill all year blocking all other members legislation. The hypocrisy as always is immense.
I mean Labour even fucked over their own private bill on behalf of the Royal Society of NZ, with their filibustering. Again, what effing hypocrites.
And Labour and NZ First are effectively arguing that National backbench MPs should not have the democratic right to enter bills into the members ballot. They are just sour because a National MP won one of the two spots.
Let us look at how many members (not Ministers) had bills in the last ballot from each party.
- National just 9 bills from 35 backbench MPs
- Labour had 15 bills from 34 MPs – so not even half their MPs bothered to submit a bill and they complain they are not winning the ballot
- Greens had 14 bills from 14 MPs – excellent
- NZ First had 1 bill from 8 MPs – again what hypocrisy complaining when someone else wins
- Maori Party – 1 bill from 1 backbench MP
- Mana Party – no bills from 1 MP
So maybe Labour and NZ First would be better spent submitting more bills to the ballot, rather than whining that National MPs are entering in bills they don’t like.
A member’s bill by National’s new MP for Tamaki Simon O’Connor was one of two to be drawn from the ballot yesterday.
The Joint Family Homes Repeal Bill seeks to abolish a 1964 law protecting the family home.
O’Connor said the Law Commission recommended scrapping the old law which “afforded the family home protection against the winds of financial adversity” because it was unused as the same protections were afforded in more recent legislation.
Asked why he had taken up the cause, O’Connor said there was a number of bills the Government had suggested its MPs look at adopting in their names.
“This one was suggested to me and I was happy to put my name to it.”
This has been the practice for Government MPs for as long as I can recall. Not all members bills are like this, but many are. In this particular case, this bill has been on the ballot for around two years – previously under the name of Jo Goodhew.
The Law Commission actually recommended in 2001 (off memory) that this law be repealed. The reality is that it is highly unlikely to ever be deemed a high enough priority by Cabinet to be given legislative priority. Hence a members bill means the law actually gets repealed.
Note again – the law was recommended for repeal in 2001.
Labour’s shadow leader of the House, Trevor Mallard, said it was “outrageous”.
“That sort of bill can be progressed through a statutes amendment bill or omnibus bill, where there is no argument about it.”
It was an unnecessary use of parliamentary time to do something that would have happened anyway, he said.
A simple question then. Why did Labour not repeal the law in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 or 2008?
“Someone who just signs on the dotted line to introduce legislation is effectively saying ‘at the moment there’s nothing more important in my electorate that this’.
“I feel quite sad for him.”
Trevor shows how he is a dinosaur of the past, who should stay there. First of all List MPs get to submit members bills also. Secondly, Very few members bills relate to an MPs electorate.
NZ First leader Winston Peters said it was an inappropriate use of the members’ bill process.
“This is just a device where (National) has used private members’ facilities to prosecute government policy.”
It blocked up the ballot, which limits MPs to one bill each, by increasing the number of National bills.
This comes from the leader of the party who submitted only one bill out of 8 MPs. Stop being a whining loser and go submit more bills into the next ballot if you want to improve your chances of winning.
Think if National adopted Labour’s tactics? They could filibuster a members’ bill all year long, so there are no more members ballots in 2012. That would really give them something to complain about. Yet, it would be exactly what Labour did in 2008 2011.
Tags: Labour, Parliament, private members bills, Winston First

February 8th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
At least Winston has started as a reasonable Leader of the Opposition.
Vote:Labour – who are they ?
February 8th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Facinating theatre watching a blowtorch on yfronts particularly when wielded by that bitch Kama
Vote:February 8th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Why is every non-minister putting forward a Bill an “excellent” thing? For those who ge6 their rocks off on legal technicalities, it may be the greatest thing since sliced bread but why oh why on earth do we need more laws. Without looking at them I’ll wager an e-dollar that the Greens bills all propose restricting or taxing something. We need less of that, not more.
Oh ……. and Winston can go to hell, he is irrelevant.
Vote:February 8th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
The VSM fillibustering was not 2008, it was last year, 2011.
@david at 1.15 pm: why oh why on earth do we need more laws.
Simon O’Connor’s bill is to repeal a law, so we end up with less.
Vote:February 8th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
I would far rather the Nat backbenchers put in uncontroversial Bills like this than nasty shit like Paul Quinn’s one last term that took away people’s democratic rights.
Vote:February 8th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
If your party had a bill that they were really interested in getting debated could every MP put the same bill into the ballot?
Vote:For example if Labour wanted to dicuss some issue could all 34 MPs put forward exactly the same bill? This would greatly increase the chances of it being drawn and once it had come up the other MPs could then withdraw the other entries for the bill and all put forward their second choice.
February 8th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
@alwyn 1:45 pm
Nope, if there are two or more Bills that are substantially the same, there is a preliminary ballot to determine which one of them goes into the main ballot.
Vote:February 8th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Alwyn: No. If they are substantially the same only one of them can go into the ballot.
Vote:February 8th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
The usual time-wasting by these over-paid drones and egos. We need a board of directors and forget the rest. It drives me mad to see such waste of my hard-earned income to support these useless tossers who just want to play silly, smart-alec games – on our dollar!
Vote:February 8th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Why bother? No one uses it anyway.
Why not introduce a bill that automatically trashes laws that haven’t been used for 25 years or so, apart from ones that are tagged specifically not to be? That would seem a far more worthwhile use of everyone’s time.
Incidentally, the UK has some funny old laws that are still on the books:
>> You may not wear a suit of armour into parliament.
Vote:>> Welshmen are prohibited from entering Chester before the sun rises and have to leave again before the sun goes down.
>> You are not permitted to die in parliament.
February 8th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
heh scott, also “A pregnant woman can legally relieve herself anywhere she wants, even, even in a policeman’s helmet. ”
Oh please can someone put that into the ballot?
Vote:February 8th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Toad and David.
Vote:Thank you for enlightening me.
February 8th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Toad, I take from your unwillingness to correct me, that I was correct in my assertion about the bills put up by the Greens. “Pro-efficiency” and “business-friendly” my wrinkled ass.
Vote:February 8th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Presumably the law banning dying in parliament is punishable by death?
Vote:February 8th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Lockwood has given Winnie a few good whacks at question time today. And Mallard.
Vote:Let’s hope he stays on long enough as Speaker to see Winnie off.
The old duffer even had the cheek to ask questions about taxpayers money and trusts!!! Either no shame or loss of memory.