Tamihere wants retrial
Stuff reports:
David Tamihere, one of New Zealand’s most notorious convicted killers, still maintains he did not murder two Swedish backpackers and wants a retrial. …
Tamihere denied meeting the tourists or any involvement in their disappearance, although he did admit stealing their car.
Yes, it was someone else who killed them. Wait, I’ve got it – it was Robin Bain!
He tells Metro magazine that he is living a quiet life, spending time with his partner, Kristine, and his adult sons, but wants a new trial and compensation.
“It’s about the principle.
About the principle? And compensation!
Having said that the Police did botch up parts of the case. But I would be very surprised if David Tamihere was not responsible for the killings. His criminal record is appalling with the killing in 1972 of 23 year old Mary Barcham, plus various assaults and sexual assaults. There is some speculation he did not act alone though.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:51 am
DAVID WAYNE TAMIHERE. I have never believed he killed the Swedes and I agree the police manipulate evidence and the trial was a bit odd. The same team that planted and perjured Arthur Allan Thomas into prison. Two items only:
1. Sven’s watch that DWT was said to have in his possession was found years later on Urban’s body.
2. Urban was found 73km away from where DWT was alleged to have committed the crime, just laying in bush.
There was a sense at the time that DWT was a bad egg and deserved to go down, if not for this double-homicide, then other crimes. But that does not make him the killer. The evidence against him was circumstantial only. DWT served 20 years and is on parole for stealing a car. David Bain massacred his family and did 16.
Justice is about the search for truth, and the Swedes case deserves re-investigation.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:57 am
He was found with the keys to the car and told a demonstrably bullshit story about how he came to have it.
He was positively identified by two witnesses in the vicinity of Heidi Pakkonen. You can criticize the manner of the identification which was far from ideal but the criticisms were made at the trial and the Jury still chose to believe the witnesses.
The error of the watch and the crown’s conjecture as to the location of Hoglin’s body does nothing to diminish these facts.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:59 am
I’ve always felt very uneasy about this conviction since Hoglan’s body turned up many miles away from where he was thought to have been killed with the watch that Tamihere had supposedly given his son still on it.
Tamihere was a guy with a long string of convictions, and therefore an easy target.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:02 am
He always admitted stealing the car which he found in isolated bush (thus the keys). Of course he lied about stealing it. The witnesses saw a man and a blond woman. Three ‘witnesses’ were arranged by the police and were in prison themselves at the time. They also said DWT cut Sven Hoglin up and tossed him in the sea. It was BS. One latter retracted his testimony in writing which is evidence of Police collusion. At best, this is all very odd and deserved greater scrutiny.
Other than being personally dodgy, there is no evidence against DWT.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:07 am
I am in the same camp as iMP in that the whole case smells
But then I think if DWT wasn’t in jail for this offence then he would probabely have raped and/or killed someone else
Sort of justice in a round about way
February 27th, 2012 at 10:08 am
The lefts love of cuddling bad bastards is noted toad.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Dear santa, all I want for xmas is a jury of morons and thieves just like bain. I promise I’ll be good and not do any rapes and murders til the end of the year.
Hugs and kisses,
DWT
February 27th, 2012 at 10:19 am
As others have said, there’s little doubt Tamihere was a POS.
However the watch thing does seem to scream FIT UP involving actual LIES by the Police… but of a worry.
I’d prefer a justice system that convicts people for their proven crimes, not just for generally being a POS that Mr Plod doesn’t like…
February 27th, 2012 at 10:20 am
I agree, I’m not unhappy DWT went to prison, he was/is a totally bad egg, but for the sake of the Hoglions and Paakonenns, the NZ justice and Police systems need to re-explore this. It is probable they were murdered, nut not proven. Sven Hoglin somehow got to Whangamata. Two more concerning issues:
3. Bad miscarriages of justice abroad have commonly involved anonymous ‘police witnesses’ from prison who cannot be cross examined. In this case there were 3, one of whom later tried hard to recant his testimony as a lie.
4. One witness did not at first identify DWT from photos; she did LATER after his face had been plastered all over the media for weeks and obviously under some police pressure.
DWT was already in prison and had embarrassed the Police by eluding them for years on the run. The Cops nailed him for this.
To Questions:
a) Why did David ring his partner so openly from a Thames motel if he had just killed them there?
b) Why did it take two days after their supposed deaths for DWT to take the car, and why abandon it on a public street to be found?
Just ain’t the antics of a double-murderer.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:21 am
His story about how he came to have the keys to the car is demonstrable bollocks. The conclusion that remains is that he obtained the keys from the person of Ervan or Heidi. Now if he had said that but still left them alive the crown’s case would be mauch harder to prove.
The witnesses in the bush positively identified DWT
February 27th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Why did it take two days after their supposed deaths for DWT to take the car,
Because he was tramping out of the bushes
and why abandon it on a public street to be found?
He was trying to sell the car.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:26 am
The watch was always going to get DWT convicted, so when it was discovered on the body it threw serious doubt over the whole case. Nobody benefits from convictions based on planted evidence, planted evidence alone, or evidence likely to have been planted pollutes any conviction. I don’t have an extensive knowledge of the case, but like Watson where there is also dodgy ‘evidence’ found on a ‘second’ look, and dodgy ids they should at least go back to trial. Picking through bad evidence to find the good once a case is shown to be deliberately corrupted should never be undertaken by the Courts – go to a Jury, noting fairer than that. These are the types of cases that should be testing the quality of our Supreme Court to observe what a fair trial is – for my money a trial with planted evidence is deliberately and inherently unfair.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Why did David ring his partner so openly from a Thames motel if he had just killed them there?
He didn’t kill them in a Thames hotel.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:41 am
Unlike David Bain, there was fuck all evidence to pin the murders on Tamihere. There was more than reasonable doubt that he murdered the Swedish tourists.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Can someone please refresh my memory on the Police Officer on this case John Hughes.
Was he going to be prosecuted after he retired for impersonating a Police Officer. It was a weird case when his lawyer stood in front of the judge and said something like “I have completely cocked up the presentation of this case and misunderstood it and JH can now not get a fair trial”. Judge agreed and threw the case out. JH got of for free
February 27th, 2012 at 10:57 am
John Hughes was involved in the Thomas case, also another in which he wrote a confession on ‘behalf’ of a suspect, who was able to keep the copy and give it to his lawyer. I think the person involved was Ngamuu or similar name. I do recall his impersonation of a police officer after his retirement, can’t remember the details.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Oh yes, and John Hughes was the man that ‘verballed’ Arthur Thomas, when questioned about it at the later Commission of Inquiry he showed the ‘great’ skill of evasion by explaining he didn’t know why Thomas had made an incriminating admission. Dodgy dodgy.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:05 am
I would diswith DPF statement that Tamihere was responsible for the murders. The evidence was flaky and fabricated and the discovery of Hoglins body contradicted the Crowns case completely therefore a retrail should have taken place immediately.
Tamihere will not be retried as he desires, his only course of action is through the Court of Appeal, a lengthy time consuming and expensive process.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:10 am
Sorry about the spelling mistakes
February 27th, 2012 at 11:10 am
The Police accused DWT of murdering the Swedes in the bush at Thames, then DWT checks in to the local motel and rings his wife. Sven turns up at Whangamata. That is 73km away. I think DWT was in the area at the time (the Ph call proves that), he found a back pack while tramping which contained the keys, or found the keys near the car (trampers often pop them on the wheel to save losing them in the bush). As he tramped out he came across the car and took it, along with their possessions. He always said he took the car.
He had no idea it belonged to two murdered people, until later.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Arthur Allan Thomas
Lindy Chamerblain (a NZer)
Scott Watson
David Wayne Tamihere
SNAP!
February 27th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Some background info on the case.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Urban_H%C3%B6glin_and_Heidi_Paakkonen
February 27th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Toad and iMP rush to champion Tamihere. What a surprise.
Real justice for Tamihere would be for him to be jerked to Jesus (or in his case to Hell) on the end of a sturdy rope, fittingly made from hemp. A merciful end compared with the one he gave, or helped give, the Swedes.
Again, the decline of religion is reflected in distorted sentiments. Once Toad, iMP and co. would have been out to save Tamihere’s soul. Instead, into their brain holes left by evolution for religion has seeped a warped version of humanitarianism. This leads such misguided twits to raise psychopaths, murderers, rapists, lumpen proletariat — the general scum of society — into misunderstood, maltreated, unjustly persecuted heroes.
What else but the decline of religion can explain maladjusted losers championing evildoers like Tamihere. Or explain otherwise respectable, well off, mainly older women, who, righteously seeking to “save” wrongdoers, disgustingly fawn over prisoners in jail visiting rooms? (You could, of course, also note as a potential cause of the second-trial crusades the taxpayer money dangled out for the scum’s lawyers, and sought as “compensation”.)
The best argument yet for capital punishment may be the costly, loud, boring, endless championing of murdering scum by misadjusted folk like Toad and co. For fuck’s sake, Toad and iMP, volunteer at the Salvation Army, which helps the deserving needy.
AA Thomas was the .05 per cent error that proves our justice system is a great one, iMP. Prisons are packed with the “innocent”. Yeah right.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:26 am
The links between the Thomas and Tamihere cases.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/manukau-courier/opinion/off-pat/3067330/Tamihere-and-Thomas-worrying-links
February 27th, 2012 at 11:29 am
@iMP – how many people on your list already had a conviction for manslaughter and rape?
February 27th, 2012 at 11:29 am
> AA Thomas was the .05 per cent error that proves our justice system is a great one…
How many years did he spend in prison before justice was done? And I think you’ll find one Peter Ellis might disagree with your argument about our justice system being a great one. A great justice system would be quick to admit its mistakes and to correct miscarriages of justice. After almost 20 years, Ellis is still waiting.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Ross 69: still 0.05 per cent, even if Ellis indeed was caught up in an international witchhunt type craze, which seems likely.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Jack,
You’re missing the point: I don’t think anyone is arguing that there are relatively few miscarriages of justice in NZ. The problem is correcting them.
Sir Thomas Thorp looked into this issue a few years ago. From memory, he estimated that up to 0.5% of convictions could be wrong. Again, a relatively small number but a real problem if many are not being correcte as seems to be the case. The other problem is that many wrongful convictions occur in high profile cases, where the stakes are high.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:45 am
He “accidentally” killed Mary Barcham whilst bashing her in the head with a rifle.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
I think his brother, John Tamihere should be sent down for having such a dodgy talkback programme!
February 27th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
@Jack5 11:24 am
Oh, bullshit. He was an asshole who was on the run from the Police after being charged with rape at the time the murders occurred. He deserved to go to jail for a long time for the rape, which he eventually pleaded guilty to, and he did.
He did not deserve, however, to be fitted up for murders he denied having anything to do with and which he probably did not commit, given the evidence that has come to light since his conviction.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Jack5, its about our system and its ability to be corrected, and critiqued so it gets better, not grabbing people with cleft palates and burning them at the stake because they must be a witch. Tamihere bad = must have killed the Swedes. Not the justice system i want.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Jack5 says:- “Again, the decline of religion is reflected in distorted sentiments”
The delusion of religion is a primary distorting factor in attempting to establish anything real.
Irony is, even though Jack’s code of code specifically states: “Thou shall not kill” without qualification, Jack still wants to lynch Tamihere.
I’d say that if there is any decline to speak of, it is not “of” religion, it is “within” religion.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Quelle surprise. Another person convicted of murder(s) is seeking to rewrite history (all in the name of principle) but with an eye on the main prize: a taxpayer funded handout….
The complainant should simply contact a NZ based novelist and do a deal whereby the writer gets a 50/50 share of the compensation. Then the ‘writer’ can publish several books of fiction all supporting a fantasy version of events – all books released to coincide with any scheduled hearing re the compensation.
Not exactly a new tactic, either…
February 27th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
I thought van beynen did an excellent job in The Press on karam’s latest nonsense.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
iMP
Next month Bain gets to rub shoulders with Lindy Chamberlain at a conference about injustice.
http://internationaljusticeconference.com/wp-content/uploads/Registration%20Brochure(1).pdf
Interestingly, Karam calls David “one of the family”.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
The registration paper for the Bain conference says that Bain was “exonerated” in 2007. Hmmm sounds like something Karam would say.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
MVB did a good job on getting told to stop harassing a Bain juror. As for insightful reviews of ‘Trial by Ambush’ of the many positive reviews, the one by Don Mathias leads the charge I think.
Interesting thing about the International Justice Conference certain nannies from NZ wanted to stop David from speaking, despite their previous calls for him to speak out. The nannies were shown the door, spluttering and spitting as they left. Of course David did speak in his own defence at the mistrial, and the Judge read the full text of that and the cross examination at the second.
exonerate; exculpate, acquit
February 27th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
> David did speak in his own defence at the mistrial, and the Judge read the full text of that
LMAO
February 27th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
ross69
1.51
More confusion?
The conviction was quashed, makes it a mistrial.
But you already knew that, like you know you have to accept the verdict at the second, and only genuine, trial.
February 27th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Re Scott Chris at 12.31, who said:
Chris, I wasn’t talking about Christianity — never mentioned it. Also, I’m among the at-least 30 per cent of NZers who support capital punishment.
Religion must have evolved for a reason. Perhaps to calm the caveman’s kids as the prey animals roared in the night around the cave entrance. Or perhaps to calm them and mum and dad when the Neanderthal hapu howled across the valley during a cannibal feast. Perhaps this function was also needed to encourage charity and empathy within the family, and thus help the cave tribes’ survival.
When a formal religion is abandoned or suppressed en masse, perhaps another belief system replaces it in the human mind — Nazism, or Stalinism, or Maoism, or environmentalism, even Social Credit.
I fear that the huggy, over-empathetic, me-too, “rights”-demanding nagging increasingly evident in our country is a belief system more damaging than most religious systems I’ve encountered – Christian, Jewish, Islamic, Buddhist.
The current NZ murderer sentence challenges, IMHO, reflect a nonsensically high regard, even respect, for the bottom, trash layer of society. I don’t mean the financially poor layer. The recent Dunedin knife murderer was a university lecturer. I mean those who are both anti-social and don’t have the conscience, stability, and moral character to mesh into our liberal society.
You could sometimes think the current spate of murder-conviction protests were designed and led by a committee of London tabloid editors. “Innocent! Fitted up! Wrongly convicted! Give ‘em millions! Apologise! New evidence! Police mistakes! Appeals! Compensation! Compensation! Compensation! Compensation! Compensation!
Napoleon, in a more rigid society, would have settled it quickly, with in his words, a whiff of grapeshot. Perhaps under the Napoleonic code-based legal systems he set up, this wouldn’t have been necessary.
Of course we should treat prisoners humanely, with a chance of successful return to society for most of them. However, with a 0.05 per cent error rate, I reckon the death penalty should be applied for murder. The chance of getting wrongly convicted and executed would be far, far less than getting cancer or suffering a heart attack, for example.
Do we really want a country fixated on proof, re-proof, and re-re-proof of murder in a process costing taxpayers milliions upon millions, and diverting citizens from important issues?
February 27th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
As I posted in GD, Ian Wishart claims to have evidence from a new (now deceased) witness that Heidi Paakonen is still alive.
MORE – http://www.investigatemagazine.co.nz/Investigate/?p=2381
February 27th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Jack05 says:- “I wasn’t talking about Christianity — never mentioned it”
The implication was there: “jerked to Jesus (or in his case to Hell)”
Regardless, there are a number of cogent arguments opposing capital punishment both from a moral and practical perspective, summed up rather well in this brief BBC article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/capitalpunishment/against_1.shtml
February 27th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Scott Chris – I see your quote, and raise you –
February 27th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Here’s the actual article Tucker originally wrote for American Spectator, that refutes your FBI figures – http://bit.ly/zJ01RJ
Not that I’m saying I’m for or against the death penalty…
February 27th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Scott chris that doesn’t even make sense. “4.10 per cent per 100,000″ ???
Is the appalling numeracy yours or your source’s?
February 27th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Adding to Fletch’s 3.47 reply to the Scott Chris 3.33 post which included:
Fletch seems to have it mathematically sussed.
I’m not sure I can see the causal link that you suggest, Scott Chris. As a non-mathematician it seems to me that yours is not a conclusive argument against capital punishment. What if the murder rates in those states with capital punishment rose if they abolished the death penalty? Would the present non-capital-punishment statements still have lower murder rates than the present capital-punishment states if the latter abolished the death penalty?
There are other reasons for introducing the death penalty, Scott Chris. The cruelty and cost of keeping humans penned up like laboratory rats for decades, for example. Can life imprisonment be crueller than the death penalty? I think so. Look at the Tasmanian Port Arthur mass shooter who keeps trying to commit suicide (if Nature hasn’t killed him by now). Keeping him alive is the punishment, deservedly in his case, IMHO.
Possibly, execution would also give a missing sense of settlement to some victims’ families now that we are a secular society without the moral imperative to forgive.
February 27th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
What is interesting is how all of the Tamihere cheer team forget or avoid the point that he was found with the keys to their car.
How did that happen ? Oh, do they accept his explanation ? Have they ever thought ?
Anyone with a hardon for Tamihere care to explain that ?
February 27th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
bereal says: “…he was found with the keys to their car. How did that happen ? Anyone with a hardon for Tamihere care to explain that?”
Its all covered in great detail in Karam’s latest fictional work – the chapter starts: “Once upon a time…..”
February 27th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Jack5,
where do you get that .05 error rate from?
February 27th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
pia, yes I meant to edit out the percent bit dammit.
________________________________________________________________________________________________
Jack5
The lack of effectiveness of capital punishment as a deterrent to murder is but one component of the whole argument. Here are some more things to consider:
>>”We cannot teach that killing is wrong by killing.” U.S. Catholic Conference.
>>Retribution is morally flawed and problematic in concept and practice.
>>Deterrence is a morally flawed concept.
>>It is expensive. In New York, since the death penalty was reinstated in 1995, costs for each person condemned to death were approximately $23 million.
>>Many murderers are mentally ill and borderline retarded.
>>Jurors in many US death penalty cases must be ‘death eligible’. This means the prospective juror must be willing to convict the accused knowing that a sentence of death is a possibility. This results in a jury biased in favour of the death penalty, since no one who opposes the death penalty is likely to be accepted as a juror.
>>”The death penalty remains fraught with arbitrariness, discrimination, caprice, and mistake … Experience has taught us that the constitutional goal of eliminating arbitrariness and discrimination from the administration of death … can never be achieved without compromising an equally essential component of fundamental fairness – individualized sentencing.”
Justice Harry Blackmun, United States Supreme Court, 1994.
February 27th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Quite a simple question Elaycee.
Care to explain ?
who gives a fuck about Karam and a book
have you got any common sense ?
if so, how did he come to be in posession of the keys ?
An inconvienient question for Tamiheres’ cheer team, right ?
The jury got it wrong, right ?
Tamihere should get a knighthood, right ?
February 27th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
bereal
I suspect, though I may be wrong, that Elaycee was, to use a technical term, taking the piss.
February 27th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Bereal you mong, invest in a dictionary and look up “joke”.
February 27th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
bereal
5.20
Don’t get me confused with the hysterical one but I’ll answer your question anyway, he had an explanation for the keys which somebody has revealed above. But my question for you is if the conviction was sound and kosher then why did the watch get planted and why did the stoolies reveal Hughes most bizarre confession like obedient dog fish, only to later back track on them. In my opinion we’ve got it wrong on cases that are polluted by corruption of one sort of the other, out they go – maybe back for a retrial. How else can we expect to take the temptation away from the desperadoes similar to those that worked on the Thomas and Watson cases.
Some one linked a very good piece by Pat Booth above, he perhaps overlooked to mention another similarity between the cases, with Thomas the false sighting of Vivian destroyed her credibility and in I see to think there was something similar with DWT’s son who never had possession of the correct watch because it was buried in the Coromandel.
February 27th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
@bereal: Can you can hear that swishing noise going over your head?
Nah – thought not.
You should form a group with Nostalgia – you’ll get on great…
February 27th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Trying not to labour a point, but just for Tamiheres cheer team to consider.
There we have a previously convicted killer and rapist.
Hiding in the bush where two innocent tourists go missing in the same bush.
This killer and rapist is found in possesion of the keys to their car.
One of the tourists bodies is subsequently found in the bush.
Whether the prosecution scenario was explicit or not, maybe not in relation to the watch.
A jury found him guilty.
this was upheld all the way to the high court and the Privy Councel
Now some morons think he was fitted up and deserves a retrial because he gave an interview to some carpetbagger rag.
Jeez.
February 27th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Elaycee
Ok maybe i jumped in a bit quick there. and missed your subtlety. Ho Ho Ho.
But just to set the record straight, what about you ?
Do you think Tamihere is innocent ?
Good point but, maybe i should join a male drumming group in a sweatlodge with Nostalgia, we could both find enlightlement.
Guilty or innocent ? Waddo you think, one word.
Onya.
February 27th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
What happened to the rape charge he was skipping bail on when he murdered the Swedes? Did it ever get to court? If not, is it too late to put him back where he belongs for another 20 years?
February 27th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
bereal
5.52
I didn’t realise you were making a list with guilty, not guilty, columns.
I don’t have an opinion on his guilt, don’t know enough about the case.
I have an opinion on the quality of his conviction and it sucks for reasons I’ve pointed out above,
the same goes for Watson and Hall to name another two.
I don’t know what a sweatlodge is, but as long as there are no hysterical people there I could possibly attend.
I don’t like hysterical people because they’re dangerous, they cause problems in tight situations, they also cause unnecessary problems with shooting their mouths off inappropriately. If for example you were going to a sweatshop to do some drumming, and a hysterical person was there they’d have to get thrown out from the top story, or even from the ground floor of a single story building as a symbolic example of what should happen to hysterical people.
February 27th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
@bereal: One word?
Guilty. But I don’t think he acted alone.
And given this case has been peer reviewed several times (even to the Privy Council), I believe the conviction(s) are safe.
Good luck if you form your group with Nostalgia – best you also take a Thesaurus as his / her comprehension skills are shite.
February 27th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
There are some disquieting factors in the Tamihere case, in particular the use of jailhouse informants and the discovery of the body well away from where it was supposed to be under the crown’s theory of the case.
Some here make the point that the conviction has been appealed and all remedies exhausted. That’s also the same for other cases, like David Bain, which some of the same folk find fault with. Dollar each way, anyone?
February 27th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Nostalgia, given that you run a blog devoted to accusing everyone who disagrees with you about David Bain of being a “pedo” , your definition of “hysterical” might be different to most people’s.
February 27th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Elaycee, good onya for having a definitive opinion, i don’t disagree with you.
Nostalgia, thats the very reason you need to attend a male only drumming group in a sweatlodge. Urgently.
mikenmild, same question, cut through your PC shit
in your opinion. Guilty or innocent ? One word.
Dollar each way is PC shit.
Try this,
Tamihere is guilty. Correct.
Bain is not guilty. Correct.
Eventually our system gets it right.
You disagree, fine, nominate a better system.
February 27th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Ian Wishart has a pearler today, here:http://www.investigatemagazine.co.nz/Investigate/?p=2385
The juicy bit:
That’s classic. She wouldn’t be able to identify him, but can identify him as not David Tamihere! That’s about as reliable as the “I was on my paper round” scenario.
Why do we have the polcie in this country? Let’s just let Wishart solve all those gnarly cases through his magazine. Much cheaper and expedient.
February 27th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Fletch – I got as far as “a Christian couple’s suspicions” and that seemed like a pretty good place to stop reading.
February 27th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Nick K
7.10
Any idea how stupid you sound
Everyone in NZ knows what DWT looks like.
This woman saying that it wasn’t him doesn’t have to be attended by an identification of who it was, you might work that out some time.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Excuse me for being stupid, apologist.
The case was from 1989. She has said she could not now recall what the person looked like, 23 years later.
But she is certain he didn’t look like DWT!! That’s a pathetic story, if I ever heard one. DWT is welcome to put her on the stand in his defence at his retrial.
BTW, above you made a comment about a dodgy confession by D/I Hughes taken from someone called Ngamu. That was Beaver Ngamu. He had two sons, Milan and Teina. His mother, Ida, recently became a vocal voice against the drug “P”. Beaver, Milan and Teina were all involved in the robbery of the BNZ in Birkenhead in 1993. Then, it was the biggest bank robbery in NZs history. Michael Cassin and Philip Kingi were the robbers; the Ngamus drove the getaway cars and provided “shelter” later on.
Cassin, Kingi and two or three Ngamus were all convicted for their involvement. How do I know all this? I locked the Ngamus up many times. They were burglars, thieves, drug dealers and heavily into cheque fraud. Regularly.
That was then. Not sure about now.
Now there’s some nostalgia for you, Nostalgia-NZ!
February 27th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
No comments on my theory about John Tamihere then…?
February 27th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
I’m still waiting for Jack5′s response to my 5.07pm question, unless I have missed it somewhere?
February 28th, 2012 at 12:43 am
Nick K, sharpen your intellect a little…it seems to be rusty.
Ann was attacked before the Swedes disappeared. Like everyone else in NZ she saw Tamihere paraded on TV in 1989, 90 and 91 (and incidentally I covered his trials)…Relative to her 1987 or 88 attack, she knew in 89 that Tamihere wasn’t her assailant. To say that she can’t recall now, 20 years later, who was is beside the point…the negative on DWT was made relatively soon after her ordeal.
As for the witnesses who saw Heidi alive, they are both still alive. I spoke to one today. The deceased tipster was a friend of theirs and of former police commissioner John Jamieson, who discovered police had no interest in following up the sighting.
I have absolutely no doubt Heidi was alive after Tamihere was arrested.
February 28th, 2012 at 8:41 am
Ann’s surname is probably Tamihere, such is the value of her “evidence”.
The negative on DWT wasn’t made at the trial, and as far as I am aware wasn’t made soon after the ordeal. It has only just been made. Why has she only come forward today? Who’s to say Tamihere’s appearance hadn’t changed in the intervening two years between her being attacked and the Swedes going missing?
Look, some of the identification evidence in the Tamihere trial was spurious. I accept that. As much as I accept the cartridge case was planted by police in the AA Thomas case. But more spurious evidence from the “other” side doesn’t make it right.
February 28th, 2012 at 9:15 am
Hi Ian W,
i saw Heidi alive after Tamihere was arrested too.
She was sitting in a cafe at Orewa playing gin rummy with Elvis and D B Cooper.
February 28th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Nostalgia at 7.38pm
I do agree with you about the point that Nick was making. I met a number of people yesterday. Some I would have trouble describing and it was only yesterday! But I know none of them was John Key.
February 28th, 2012 at 9:25 am
> where do you get that .05 error rate from?
FES, I suspect Jack plucked the figure out of the air. I did suggest earlier that Thomas Thorp put the error rate as high as .5%, still relatively low but that is not the relevant issue. The issue is the difficulty the justice system has with correcting miscarriages of justice. One miscarriage is one too many.
February 28th, 2012 at 10:48 am
If David Tamihere is not guilty, then he’s really unlucky isn’t he, just like David Bain, it would seem? What were the odds that Tamihere would just happen to find himself driving around in a vehicle that belonged to victims of the exact crime he had already demonstrated a propensity to commit? Highly unlikely, I would have thought. But as the Bain case has shown there are always a few turkeys out there willing to believe any cock-and-bull story.