The Greens view of business
February 11th, 2012 at 10:46 am by David FarrarJohn Roughan writes at NZ Herald:
Then Hone Harawira and Greens co-leader Metiria Turei were called to the platform. Turei, declaring her background to be anarchism, said her concept of life was that we all lived in a cage with wild monsters trying to tear down the walls that protected us.
These monsters were corporate capitalism, she said, and she saw her job as trying to push out the walls of the cage and increase our living space. Weird.
Yes wild monsters are trying to eat our young and destroy us. They’re called businesses and are evil.
February 11th, 2012 at 10:54 am
This kind of fear-based world view is spiritually closer to the stereotype of conservative thought processes, than liberal.
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Turei might live in a cage but I can assure her I do not. I would be grateful if she did not impose her weird world view onto me and especially not at my expense.
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Greens or Red Melons ????
Seems to me that following comment is appropriate:
“One day the pink or red-melons (the Greens) will mature and realise that they live in a real world and not “russel in pink land” (Russel [sic] Norman, Greens co-leader and a former card-carrying Communist Party, Australia member). Those people would have us all back in sack cloth and ashes. Once the public becomes aware of where they would take us, the Greens will revert to being a minor bit-player – unless Labour decides against moves to democratise the party and to anchor its philosophy in the real, post 2008 world.”
- Source: The Outside The Beltway Group
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 11:08 am
adze – I’ve always thought of the left as a paranoid religious cult, minus the imaginary sky man. You could take most of their rhetoric and substitue “the devil” for “capitalism” and a fundie xtian preacher would read it without noticing a thing.
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Jesus wept. And these Gween morons would have us believe they are fit to Govern?
Scary.
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 11:15 am
Anarchist. Nuff said.
Mind you the cage allegory is designed to appeal to all the innocent young animal lovers out there who think nature is best untamed.The Greens are duplicitous bastards.
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 11:22 am
What an egocentric delusion. the reality is no one actually gives a rats ass about her, let alone some anthropomorphic demons that more likely came into being out of a drug induced “revelation” than any reality being out to get her.
No one, and especially nature, cares, get over yourself. Real nature will kill your ass in a heartbeat or whimper because you’re just food or fodder for something else.
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 11:27 am
“I’ve always thought of the left as a paranoid religious cult, minus the imaginary sky man.”
They have the Mother God, (Mother Earth/Mother Nature also frequently referred to as Gaia).
Vote:Gaia has been seriously ‘wounded’ by the expansion of human civilization and now there must come a universal atonement for these many millennia of grief on ‘her’ part” through an event or process they call ‘cleansing.’
They want to sacrifice oil\coal\gas and Western Civilisation\Christianity and Capitalism in general on the altar of their God.
Hence the Global Warming\Climate disruption dogma and the Occupy crowd.
February 11th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Other_Andy…
Have you read “Rainbow Six” by Tom Clancy?
Not nice
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 11:35 am
And this deranged woman wants to attain political power?
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 11:42 am
The Greenies (Melons) will never change in New Zealand. They invariably are the product of middle/well off families who have taken every opportunity to remain very comfortable, whilst telling everybody else how to live their lives.
Vote:University educated often PHD’s in Environmental studies.
Never really having to work for their living, but continue to enjoy a Chardonnay/Latte life, and continue bitching.
The days of dancing around the Maypole have gone. Rather nasty semi upper class antagonistic people – mainly unsatisfied women.
February 11th, 2012 at 11:45 am
I expect Turei to say such things. But I also expect National MPs to say the opposite sort of thing. I note that very few National MPs do so, which may be why Turei’s views gain such widespread currency.
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Just because there are evil wild monster companies like Goldman Sachs and Monsanto, is no reason to tar all corporates with the same brush!
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 11:47 am
One has only to look at her political progression to worry.
Vote:Originally she stood for Parliament as a candidate for the McGillicuddy Serious Party. That at least was serious compared to the Greens. As her derangement became more severe she drifted into her current lot who are best described as being The Mad Hatters Tea Party.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Gareth Hughes still manages to do his best to keep the transport industry solvent though; he really is living proof of the old song “I’ve been everywhere man”. One wonders at the size of his carbon footprint…
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
@ Alwyn; between the MSP and the Greens, Turei was also a candidate for the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
KS
http://www.chacha.com/question/what-is-ronald-mcdonald's-shoe-size
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
How does Anarchism go with the Green’s view on wanting the government to regulate our lives? Almost all their ideas are socialist, all the while pushing a ‘green’ front.
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
To be snarky from the other side I must ask whether John Roughan knows anything about anarchism? Because, if he did, he’d know that the cage is one of the classic metaphors of anarchism.
I think it’s simplistically stupid even for a metaphor, let alone for describing life in a modern, semi-capitalist society – especially one where people are using various products of capitalist corporations to expand the cage.
However, although beliefs can be “wierd” I don’t think this metaphor is. It’s a perfectly rational, if metaphorical, way of describing the worldview of most anarchists (likely not including capitalist anarchists) and he would be better off taking it seriously and arguing against it rather than just trying to dismiss it.
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
This woman is utterly depressing. She wants to drink champagne but has not got the first damn clue how to create the wealth to pay for it. But let us have this debate in nz and let this woman explain just where the money is coming from.
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Even from the newspaper clip you’ve posted it clearly states this was “her concept of life” ie her PERSONAL views and should not be described as “The Green’s view of business”. Spin Spin Spin eh DPF
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
I’m going to put the following links into this thread because I think it’s more appropriate than GD. The reason I’m doing this is that they represent to me some real thinking that we need to have about our future. Thinking that no political party seems to be having.
The following articles are by a guy called Walter Russell Mead and are published in an e-zine called the The American Interest. Don’t be put off by the title of part one – The Crisis of the American Dream, or the American focus – because what he describes is what every Western society is going through. Whether one is left-wing or right-wing these should be of interest.
The Greens, who often put themselves forward as the true inheritors of traditional progressive leftism should be talking along these lines more than most. But for all their talk of a wonderous future of a wind and solar-powered society of equality they seem more like the family farm nostalgists of early 20th century America described by Meade: Metiria’s wistful invocation of 19th century anarchism being an almost pitch perfect example.
Part One: The Crisis of the American Dream
Part One: ReCasting the Dream
Part One: The Power of Infostructure
Part One: Better Living in the 21st Century
Read them all.
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
It’s funny how you spun “corporate capitalism” into all businesses, when it’s stupidly clear that’s not what she mean’t. In fact, that’s what both OWS and the TP have been protesting, but it’s ok, I can understand how you’re pro corporate capitalism, given the party you support.
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
All I can say is that my life is pretty plain,
Vote:I like watchin’ the puddles gather rain.
And all I can do is just pour some tea for two
And speak my point of view but it’s not sane.
It’s not sane.
February 11th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
My mum used to say at dinner “eat your greens” as it will put colour on your cheeks
Vote:and i thought
i dont want green cheeks,
February 11th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
“Monsters” is a bit harsh. Perhaps “Apex Predators” is a better description of corporate capitalists. Just like the human species funnily enough. It’s evolution baby!
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February 11th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Clearly fucked in the head. I blame the parents don’t you. Either that or she has spent too much time sucking acid and in jail which would geerate that picture in her head.
Fuck we pay shit like to run the country.
Makes me wonder how many “closet” types like this in other parties?
Perhaps all aspiring MP’s should be put through Physcosymetric testing and the results published 3 months and one day before the election.
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
From the outside looking in it would appear that the fatarse, bonewearer has put her self IN the cage with the monsters.
Her choice, obviously motivated by the money, supposed status and perks an MP receives.
Far more than a useless turd like her could get elsewhere.
Metiria, meet Winston!!!
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
The corporate capitalists were the ones that supplied the steel to make the cage, the machine to turn that steel into a cage and the labour to run the machine that makes cages out of steel. Those same capitalists then transported said cage to the room with the monsters in it, and also imported the padlock for the door.
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Dear Metiria
Whats the most anarchistic you have ever performed?
Have you blown up a few buildings?
Have you partaken in political assasination?
or is more tagged a couple of buildings and sat about drinking cheap grog with a room full of other unattractive people getting really fucking bitter abour your lot in life.?
Tooting Popular Peoples Front
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Dont bother with the test v2 jb hit the nail on the head
Bonewearer
Vote:Any one who has a leather thong around their neck should be excluded from parliament No matter if its bone ,rock or medallion hanging from it
February 11th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Perhaps she watched old replays of Rick PEB?
http://www.google.co.nz/imgres?q=the+young+ones&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1038&bih=828&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=XyJb9xWnjEqcOM:&imgrefurl=http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~culttv/young1.htm&docid=nVFePjMOh5B28M&imgurl=http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~culttv/rikpic.jpg&w=752&h=568&ei=1Lg1T8msNaedmQWS7_H9AQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=478&vpy=201&dur=412&hovh=147&hovw=151&tx=124&ty=80&sig=113635918461206869477&page=2&tbnh=147&tbnw=151&start=20&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:20
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
We should be laughing at her. Derision is likely to get up her nose more than name calling (and obviously using logic will never work, she’s way too far gone). But I bet she couldn’t handle being laughed at constantly.
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Ross Nixon (473) Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Just because there are evil wild monster companies like Goldman Sachs and Monsanto, is no reason to tar all corporates with the same brush!
And SCF, Hanover, Exxon, Halliburton, RTZ, etc, etc. She’s not completely wrong, there are monsters out there!!
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Laugh at all the Greens JeffW. They are just a fucking joke that MMP has created via the deceased turd Saint Rodney.
You get what you deserve to lead you and losers like New Zealanders have certainly got what we deserve.
Watch parliament this session if you don’t believe me!
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
You couldn’t make this shit up.
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
As has been pointed out this silly little girl is the very opposite of an anarchist, she is a statist.
It’s strange how many people there are like her on the left, preaching the abolishment of liberty whilst at the same time claiming to be anarchists.
In fact, every time you see a protester on the news wearing a V for Vendetta mask you can be 99% sure he is espousing the very opposite of that character’s beliefs. It was popular with’Occupy’ protesters, for example, who were actually campaigning for more and more state control of everyone’s lives.
In fact, there’s only one activist I know of who actually understands and uses it correctly:
http://bastardoldholborn.blogspot.com/
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Did any of our fearless press ever get around to asking Meteria what part she had to play in the vandalism of the National Party election billboards?
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
This might be of interest:
‘Anarchist’: One who excites disorder in a state; advocate of anarchy or anarchism
‘Anarchy’: Want of Government; a state of society where there is no law or supreme power; political confusion
‘Anarchism’: The doctrine of the abolition of formal government, free action for the individual , land and other resources being common property
(Source: [n.a.]. Home Study Dicionary, ([n.pl], [n.pub], 1964), s.v. anarchy)
In light of the above, it would appear that Ms Turei is a ‘Chardonney Anarchist’. Methinks a contradiction in term, no?
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Even from the newspaper clip you’ve posted it clearly states this was “her concept of life” ie her PERSONAL views and should not be described as “The Green’s view of business”. Spin Spin Spin eh DPF
But all the Gween policies are derived from that perspective. That’s the fundamental “ill” they all aim to address and they always have. This is not news to anyone but terminally naive people who never knew Turei and the entire Gween movement all, to a man, think this way. It’s obvious and always has been, since forever. And it will continue this way. It will never change. It is part of being Gween.
Pretty fucked if you ask me personally, to join or support a bunch of fucking mentals who really do think this but apparently there’s around 10% of them now, 1 in 10 of us really do think this, right now. Which just goes to show how effectively the education system has been dumbed down and infected with leftist views on how the world works, to have them turning out people who give personal credence to Turie’s world view. I mean, it’s palpably false every which way. The amount of fucked in the headedness required to believe that is massive. It’s like one has a giant turd occupying 99% of one’s brain, that’s how mental it is. Yet here we are, today. Appalling, isn’t it.
Vote:February 11th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Monsters and Cages? Who let her out?
Vote:That electric puha does strange things to strange people. Clearly Metiria Turei is off her tits and in the middle of one of those roleplay games
February 11th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
So that’s what she was LARPing on about.
Vote:February 12th, 2012 at 7:36 am
I’m starting to think the Green leadership is some kind of welfare scheme to find work placements for the mentally handicapped.
Vote:February 12th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Stone the bloody crows.. . She is bat shit mad.
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