Waitangi Day Pub Crawl in London

February 7th, 2012 at 9:05 am by David Farrar

Kate Newton at Stuff reports:

A urinating mob of “drunk Kiwis wreaking alcohol-fuelled havoc on the streets of London” has sparked a complaint to the New Zealand High Commission.

Not sure what they can do about it.

It’s a rite of passage for thousands of young Kiwis on their great OE. But this year’s annual Waitangi Day London pub crawl has sparked derision and disgust.

Kiwi Dylan Clements says up to 1500 drunken New Zealanders took to the streets on Saturday in a shameful display of debauchery.

He has filed a complaint with New Zealand High Commissioner Derek Leask, saying their antics brought “great shame” on New Zealand.

Mr Clements, 28, said he watched participants urinating and vomiting on famous religious landmarks, including Westminster Abbey and the historic Jewel Tower, and exposing themselves indecently on the street.

Others sculled alcohol on the Tube, intimidated Londoners and assaulted Korean tourists with snowballs during the marathon boozing session.

But kiwis who attended the annual event say everyone was in good spirits, generally well behaved and respectful of police and other Londoners.

The Waitangi Day pub crawl is a fun tradition. However vomiting on Westminster Abbey is a no no, as is exposing yourself. If they occurred, they sounds like isolated incidents. You can take part in a pub crawl, get very merry, but still not be so “wasted” that you do such stupid stuff.

On a website set up to promote the pub crawl, Clint Heine said he met police before the event and they were present on the day to keep an eye on things.

He said he had received feedback from police saying there had been a “few minor hiccups” with litter and public urination, but it was expected.

Yesterday, on the pub crawl’s Facebook page, participants said police had told them they were a “well-behaved bunch”.

It sounds like Mr Clements may be over-egging things.

Krystle Field said it was the first time she had truly celebrated Waitangi Day and was proud to take part.

“At home it is such a negative day full of politics, protesting and drama and is just seen as another public holiday to many. In London it makes us all patriotic and we celebrate by dressing up in kiwiana costumes,” the 26-year-old said.

Well said.

It is interesting that Mr Clements was complaining about the pub crawl on Facebook, even before it had happened.

The media have all reported this as a major story, based on one person’s complaint. What is interesting is that the UK media (you know where it actually occurred) have run no negative stories at all on it. So the Police had no problem with it. The local media have only had good stories on it. Is the fact one person complains, meritorious of massive headlines in NZ?

Some photos from the pub crawl are here and here. Some great costumes. Even more here.

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49 Responses to “Waitangi Day Pub Crawl in London”

  1. big bruv (12,327 comments) says:

    As a Kiwi who spent many years living overseas I can sympathise with Mr Clements. Most Kiwi’s are to be avoided, frankly they are an embarrassment.

    The Pommy cops should lock the bastards up and toss away the key.

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  2. James Stephenson (1,885 comments) says:

    Never mind the UK media as a whole, it doesn’t even make the Evening Standard (www.thisislondon.co.uk) but then 1500 people isn’t a lot, it’s about the average crowd at a Barnet FC match.

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  3. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    This story is bogus, Dylan Clements had already expressed his intention to complain before the event and explain how they threw snowballs before it snowed for a start.

    Elementary journalism fact check fail once again. One lone asshole making shit up gets the story.

    [DPF: Dylan has messaged me to say:

    the snowball incident did not happen on the pub crawl - it happened in Shepherds Bush by participants on their way home from the after party

    I attended this after writing the comments on the page last month to see what it was like for myself so I could make a reasonable judgmenet on it

    its just my opinion and everyone is welcome to their view - im a proud Kiwi and I want to see NZ represented in a good light
    most people were there having a good time but there was a good number acting like absolute idiots

    im not against the pub crawl!]

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  4. peterwn (2,933 comments) says:

    “However vomiting on Westminster Abbey is a no no,” – you are charged $300 for soiling a taxi, so let’s hope the Dean gave him a bill for £300.

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  5. RightNow (6,337 comments) says:

    Clements comes off sounding like a whiny dork.

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  6. flipper (3,268 comments) says:

    This is being driven by ther new age abolitionists, found mostly in the Dom Post (Editor and her staff).
    A typical media beat-up.

    The “Outside the Wellington Beltway Group” identified the problem late last month when they wrote in their analysis “Demolishing New Zealand’s Political Comfort Zone” :

    “The alcoholic liquor imbroglio is the ultimate expression of nanny state. How Law Commission jurists of the supposed standing of Geoffrey Palmer and his colleagues can support a “minimum” price for a bottle of wine is beyond us. They need their heads read ! (The standing of the Law Commission and its membership would be enhanced if they concentrated on a public review of proposed legislation (Food safety is an example) rather than on social issues that are, and will remain, intensely political, if not conscience driven.) The media promote controversy, will argue for, and welcome change, only to start over in the opposite direction.

    It is some 100 years since this (Alcoholic beverages) was a major political issue. Well, if one sets aside Ralph Hanan’s cunning plot to abolish the 6 p.m. closing of all “pubs”. (Hanan pushed Keith Holyoake for and got a simultaneous second referendum item relating to the four year term of the Parliament on the grounds that the public would always want to vote against one issue, thereby ensuring that the abolition of 6 p.m. pub closing was passed.)

    In 1914 our 17, 18 and 19 year olds were volunteering to serve in the NZ Army and at Gallipoli, Many died there in defence of the freedoms they enjoyed at home. Sadly, even after another World War we are on the verge, it seems, of making decisions that would make our illicit drug problem look like a kindergarten sand-pit spat. The whole issue needs to be resolved without input from the hospitality sector (Bars, restaurants etc. that want higher supermarket prices) the media and zealot-like academics. Finally on this matter, Karl du Fresne in the Dominion Post of December 20 produced traffic breath-testing statistics that confirm that “hazardous drinking is not a community-wide curse, as the wowser lobby wants us to believe, but it is confined to a small segment of abusers”. But beware, Nanny State is lurking !”

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  7. BeaB (1,945 comments) says:

    What does it mean ‘to file a complaint’ with the High Commissioner? The HC isn’t a judicial officer so that’s just pomposity by Clements.
    All this rubbish about our image and reputation. NZ is a country full of all sorts like most countries. However we rarely make the news at all overseas, even in Australia, so I doubt anyone knows or cares what these young guys do, even the ‘elderly persons’ they were swearing in front of. Shock horror!

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  8. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Yeah like the poms are pure as driven snow. Gee their forays into Europe to watch the beautiful game have on many occasions raised the bar on pub crawls. Form what I’ve seen Kiwi’s are still in per-school when it comes to pub crawls.

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  9. big bruv (12,327 comments) says:

    Murray

    I take it you have not seen the clips on TV showing these drunken idiots performing a rain dance?

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  10. Bill Bennett (24 comments) says:

    Let’s face it, if the London tabloids didn’t write a shock, horror story about this, it probably wasn’t that bad.

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  11. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    I take you haven’y seen Clements comments prior to anything happening BB.

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  12. big bruv (12,327 comments) says:

    Murray

    It does not matter what Clements had to say, they fact of the matter is that once again a bunch of pissed Kiwis embarrassed the rest of us…..or perhaps you think that the Poms really enjoy seeing a bunch of pissed Kiwi men performing an irrelevant rain dance and pissing in public.

    As I said before, I found that Kiwis were to be avoided at all costs during my time in the UK, I was often mistaken for an Aussie when I lived in Europe, it was not often that I bothered to correct that mistake.

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  13. RRM (8,988 comments) says:

    Ah yes the classic Kiwi sheeple: Safety in numbers.

    So courageous. So admirable.

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  14. RightNow (6,337 comments) says:

    “once again a bunch of pissed Kiwis embarrassed the rest of us” – I’m not embarrassed. When did you turn into a big girls blouse?

    I don’t think the Waitangi day stuff is any different from a Sunday at Church
    http://www.thechurch.co.uk/

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  15. big bruv (12,327 comments) says:

    RightNow

    The fact that you link to “the church” says it all.

    Sounds like you would have been in your element, pissing in public, demanding that the Poms show respect to an irrelevant rain dance and constantly telling list to everybody in the UK how much better things are back in NZ.

    I suspect you were the type of All black shirted, back pack wearing, smelly Kiwi (complete with bone carving) who I crossed the street to avoid.

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  16. davidp (3,319 comments) says:

    >He has filed a complaint with New Zealand High Commissioner Derek Leask, saying their antics brought “great shame” on New Zealand.

    Does “their” mean the High Commission staff were on the pub crawl? I think it is undignified if the High Commissioner vomits on Westminster Abbey. But still not as undignified as Jonathan Hunt trying to apply for the UK pension while he was there to add to his salary and NZ parliamentary pension.

    Oh, and what is the “historic Jewel Tower”? I lived in London for a couple of years and haven’t heard of it.

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  17. fatnuts (164 comments) says:

    Of course the pom soccer fans are such a shining example when abroad.

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  18. Brian Harmer (686 comments) says:

    See if you can find any reference to it in the British media.

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  19. Peter (1,468 comments) says:

    Kiwis in London are best avoided – not because they are any more riotous (if you want to see how it’s really done, go see Chelsea play), but because they are cringeworthy. Singing Exponents songs at the top of their voices on the Tube is not “distinctive and quirky”, it merely shows they have absolutely no taste in music.

    I lived in London for eight years. I went to the Redback once. At closing time, the bouncers literally link arms and drive you out the front door. Like sheep.

    Appropriate, in many ways.

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  20. RightNow (6,337 comments) says:

    Yeah bruv, 20 something years ago I would have been in my element. Now I think it would be hypocritical of me to judge others for the stuff I used to do in my youth.

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  21. Peter (1,468 comments) says:

    demanding that the Poms show respect to an irrelevant rain dance and constantly telling list to everybody in the UK how much better things are back in NZ. I suspect you were the type of All black shirted, back pack wearing, smelly Kiwi (complete with bone carving) who I crossed the street to avoid.

    Hahah….that’s spot on!

    “If it’s better in NZ, piss off back there then.

    To Palmerston North”.

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  22. Keeping Stock (9,788 comments) says:

    What Right Now said (10.11am). And whoever would have thought that Big Bruv would turn into such a joy-germ!

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  23. Lance (2,309 comments) says:

    Another fine piece of journalism.
    I was in Jerusalem during the first indifada (1988), there was meant to be rioting in the streets and a siege mentality according to the BBC etc. This was all bollix. It was a hot August and all the windows were open and there was nothing out of the ordinary in the ‘old city’ which is physically quite a small place so any unusual noise is easily heard.
    The more I saw on tv the more crap came forth from the worlds media. If there is no story methinks they just make one up.

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  24. BeaB (1,945 comments) says:

    A good friend in the UK says she hates it when her Kiwi friends and family start their sentences with “In NZ we…” as though that’s the last word on everything.
    There’s no doubt we suffer from SCS – Small Country Syndrome – and believe the eyes of the world are on us, sternly judging our behaviour.

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  25. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    Hey I have an idea, why don’t we ask the cops:
    “Westminster Borough Inspector Bruce Middlemiss said the event was one that police “actually look forward to policing”.

    “Because the general demeanour of everybody is really amicable. We ask people to move on and stop doing stuff and they stop doing it.

    “During the day there were no arrests that I’m aware of, no fights or specific recklessness,” he said.”

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  26. big bruv (12,327 comments) says:

    Peter

    ““If it’s better in NZ, piss off back there then. ……..To Palmerston North”.

    Exactly. Early on in my time I did speak to a few smelly Kiwis, almost all of them insisted on boring the hell out of the locals and telling them how our lifestyle was idyllic.
    Long lazy summers spent on the beaches (according to what the Poms have been told we all spend a month on Takapuna beach ever year) and warm winters were the sky was never grey.

    Inevitably the ones who insisted on telling these stories the most came from such well know tropical paradises like Dunedin, Shannon and the previously mentions Palmerston North.

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  27. Keeping Stock (9,788 comments) says:

    Careful Bruv; Dunedin has had a far better summer than anywhere in the North Island!

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  28. Peter (1,468 comments) says:

    BB, I think the “Church” crowd are reflective of a subset of Kiwis. They’re mostly young, on relatively short OEs, and caught up in what appears to be an identity crisis.

    I met many Kiwis in London who weren’t part of that crowd. These people are easy to identify as they don’t start every sentence with the phrase “In NZ we….” or use term “whanau” when they’re white.

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  29. Longknives (4,039 comments) says:

    I too find the behaviour of young New Zealanders in London on their ‘OE’ cringeworthy. I agree with everything Big Bruv says..
    I have travelled around the world, including the UK- never once have I felt an inclination to tear my shirt off and perform an ‘impromptu’ drunken haka- loudly demanding that the English “respect my culture” before I stagger off an take a drunken piss on Westminster Abbey.
    Morons.

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  30. Peter (1,468 comments) says:

    Noooooooooooooo!!!!!!

    http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/raw-video-mass-haka-in-central-london-4713049

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  31. Frederick (39 comments) says:

    Can’t agree with you more Big Bruv.

    I frequently travel to England and I also avoid New Zealanders like the plague (they are usually wearing their replica All Black jerseys) so easy to spot.

    If by chance I do have to speak to them they inevitably state that they “drink at a pub where all the New Zealanders hang out, where they serve Steinlager on tap and have all the Super 15 games live…..and they saw Bic Runga in concert the other night”.

    Frankly I can’t see the point in them travelling if that’s their English experience. Might as well stay in Plamerston North.

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  32. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    I find the wet pants hand wringing of a punch of prissy whiney asses based on what is clearly a bullshit beat up to be more embarrassing than anything these people did.

    Harden the fuck up you soft cocks, and stay out of Palmy, we don’t serve latee’s or Jafa’s.

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  33. Peter (1,468 comments) says:

    Looks like someone has their bone carving on too tight…

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  34. Lance (2,309 comments) says:

    Palmy where men are men are so are the women

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  35. Tautaioleua (266 comments) says:

    We can’t be any worse than the Australians. They are a living, walking example of the word EMBARRASSMENT.

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  36. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    Aucklanders are soft cock latee slurping pretentious assholes whose only contribution to New Zealand is to not come here.

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  37. BlairM (2,266 comments) says:

    I lived in the South-East when I was in London to avoid the lame-arse Kiwis who wanted to live in their Acton ghetto and wouldn’t go out and meet some real Poms and experience the culture of the place properly.

    But frankly, most of the behaviour described sounds like an average Friday night for most locals. Kiwis are well behaved by comparison. All the locals do when they get that drunk is want to start fights. Besides, the limeys travel to Spain or Greece in the summer, get pissed off their tits, insult the locals with their racism, and generally act like wild animals. They make the Waitangi Day pub crawl participants look like the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

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  38. Longknives (4,039 comments) says:

    Peter- That video certainly is cringeworthy, Though Murray probably thinks it’s great…
    Frederick- I had a friend whose ‘Overseas Experience’ consisted of two years in London (living and flatting with kiwis and drinking at The Church) and one trip to the Munich Beerfest (with other kiwis..of course).Talking to him the other day (he is now married with a young family) he told me he really regrets not ‘breaking away’ from the pack and doing anything different travel-wise with Europe on his doorstep..I think its a little sad that many of these drunken buffoons don’t realise the opportunity they are wasting…

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  39. Lance (2,309 comments) says:

    Who pushed Murrays button today, he’s in fine form?

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  40. Longknives (4,039 comments) says:

    Murray- I’m offended! I live in Auckland and I drink Flat White….

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  41. RightNow (6,337 comments) says:

    That was a lame haka in that video.

    Youth these days…

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  42. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    New Zealanders – World Champion whiners, Kiwi Blog has a couple of up and comers who may make the first division of whining very soon.

    There is no mention of this anywhere in the UK papers not even The Sun if there was anything to this it is tailor made for The Sun.

    The police involved didn’t care, then again they are policing a big international city that has real problems, they would know when things are out of hand, but us Nzers we have this outrage over a few 20 year olds getting pissed .

    It must be tiring being outraged about every fucking little thing every fucking day.

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  43. Poliwatch (335 comments) says:

    A couple of points about the Police. Firstly they volunteer (and there is no shortage of volunteers) for the crowd control role for this day. Secondly I understand that this year the Police that were selected actually learnt to do the haka so that they could feel part of the action. From the photos I have seen of smiling London policemen and policewomen with groups of NZ’ers, they did enjoy the day.

    Having performed kapa haka overseas, I know there is nothing that provides you with greater pride in your contry than this. It is something that brings all ex-pat kiwis together. Perhaps Dylan Clements should try it sometime.

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  44. big bruv (12,327 comments) says:

    “Tautaioleua (48) Says:

    February 7th, 2012 at 11:39 am
    We can’t be any worse than the Australians. They are a living, walking example of the word EMBARRASSMENT.”

    Really?…that was not my experience.

    Nearly all of the Aussies I encountered were sensible, showed respect to the Brits and did not feel the need to tell everybody where they came from.
    I was much happier in the company of Ockers when having a beer than I was in the company of Kiwis.

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  45. RightNow (6,337 comments) says:

    How serendipitous, I’m sure the Kiwis felt the same way bruv.

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  46. redeye (626 comments) says:

    I take it none of you have watched “Boozed Up Brits Abroad”.

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  47. V (660 comments) says:

    Anyone else get sick of a bunch of skinny white guys attempting to do the haka while drunk?
    It’s overdone.

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  48. Longknives (4,039 comments) says:

    V- The Haka is overdone fullstop.
    I cringe whenever any New Zealand sports team performs an allegedly ‘Impromptu Haka’ during an event (Despite the fact they have clearly rehearsed it for hours).I think I started resenting the ‘Haka’ during the Commonwealth games a few years ago when the New Zealanders, who finished third, drowned out the winning swimmers National Anthem with their tongue poking, yelling and chanting..Then I saw the New Zealand Basketball team, who were predominantly American (or at least had phoney American accents..) doing a laughable ‘Haka’ to the amusement of the bemused and confused crowd. But the absolute low point had to be the laughably arrogant All Black’s crying ‘racism’ to the IRB (after the Welsh quite rightfully stood their ground during the tongue poking, throat slitting and pathetic attempts at intimidation) and the ridiculous set of rules that followed. Rugby teams have now been ordered to stand quietly and quite pathetically accept the All Blacks yelling, spitting and making throat slitting gestures at them.
    Hake overdone? You damn right it is…It is an overkilled joke…

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  49. Longknives (4,039 comments) says:

    My point being (though I got slightly sidetracked) that spitting, hissing and poking your tongue out like a fucking retard (as pictured) should not define us as ‘New Zealanders’…if it does, God help us….

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10783888

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