Yuck

February 28th, 2012 at 12:20 pm by David Farrar

Kate Chapman at Stuff reports:

A convicted sex offender has been working in schools as a teacher, Minister Hekia Parata has announced.

Parata said the schools affected had been notified.

A ministerial inquiry, led by former ombudsman Mel Smith, would be held into how the sex offender was employed. The person had been registered as a teacher since 2000.

“At this stage I cannot discuss the details of this individual case as the matter is now before the courts [in Auckland],” Parata said.

She was “extremely concerned” and was told late last week that the person had been arrested for breaching a condition of their release. The person was in custody.

The Ministry of Education was working with the schools and their communities but it was possible others had been affected, Parata said.

“Parents should be able to send their children to school confident that an individual of this type is not part of that school environment,” she said.

The ministry had asked the courts to vary suppression orders so other schools and parents could be informed.

The ministerial inquiry into the matter would report back by April 30, Parata said.

How appalling. Obviously something has seriously gone wrong for him to have been working as a teacher for 12 years. At this stage the reports don’t state that he has necessarily abused any students, and hopefully he has not. But there will be a huge number of concerned families.

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25 Responses to “Yuck”

  1. grumpy (256 comments) says:

    “..he….” – are you sure????

    Don’t be so quick to jump to conclusions.

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  2. Viking2 (11,413 comments) says:

    So he has been working as a teacher for 12 years and now we have an attack of mass hysteria.

    Presumably there hasn’t been any issue till now. Presumably that persons work has been satisfactory.

    Anything for a headline eh!

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  3. wreck1080 (3,884 comments) says:

    i wanna know if it was my kids school…..

    @viking …. do you think it is appropriate for sex offenders to work with children?

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  4. Rich Prick (1,682 comments) says:

    I know tolerance and diversity are important to the left, but is there no one they rush won’t cuddle?

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  5. burt (8,238 comments) says:

    Viking2

    Presumably there hasn’t been any issue till now

    Well “issue till now” is not the point. What has highlighted the “issue” now ? A complaint perhaps…. Maybe ???

    But let me guess, all teachers are the same (the union tells us so) and any teacher over a 12 year period might sexually interfere with a child so the history of convictions is just a sensational headline thing….

    Normally V2, I think you are a rational sensible person…. What’s up with you on this issue ?

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  6. Graeme Edgeler (3,283 comments) says:

    What has highlighted the “issue” now ? A complaint perhaps…. Maybe ???

    I understand someone in the school found out he had multiple identities, this suspicious behaviour was reported to the Teachers Council which asked the police.*

    * from initial reports

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  7. grumpy (256 comments) says:

    Viking 2

    “registered” and “working” are not the same thing……………………..

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  8. immigant (950 comments) says:

    I wonder if he’s a union member. If I was a sub editor this would be a golden headline “Sex offenders in New Zealand Teacher’s Union”

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  9. Grendel (996 comments) says:

    before i get attacked by all and sundry. if we leave out the ick factor (which is considerable obviously), can we ask:

    1. How long after being released from prison or what ever the terms of punishment were was the teacher hired.
    2. How long has it been since the teacher offended
    3. did they complete all their counselling etc, and were released ‘cured’
    4. is the teacher working with the type of person they offended against? nowhere does it say child sex offender. or if it was against young children, are they working now in a college or vice versa.
    5. Has there been any reason to suspect the teacher of acting inappropriately in the 12 years teaching?
    6. If the offending ended well before the job started, the person served their time or completed the punishment and they have not done anything to warrant suspicion at this job (or in their private life), why, other than the ick factor are we going to pillory the teacher out of a job?

    for all we know this could be another Ron Mark episode where he was done for underage sex when he was a teenager. would i forbid that person from ever working in a school?

    Can you do your time, pay for your mistakes and move on? or are some crimes forever punishable?

    this is one of those scenarios where the fewer facts out there, the more people can get up in arms and invent fantasies about what has happened.

    while i do not like the idea of someone who was done for molesting teenage girls (or boys) working in a college, i dont see any reason yet for a witch hunt. now the fact that they have breached a condition of release could mean they have not paid their dues and are still offending (which is a big deal), or it could mean that they unwittingly breached a restraining order against the individual the offended against (which is not such a big deal).

    lets all breathe slowly till facts are known, rather than hearsay (though it wont happen, headlines like sex offender at school are too much fun for the media to whip up frenzy with).

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  10. burt (8,238 comments) says:

    Graeme

    Cheers. As an aside I thought there would be a standard practice for Police vetting of teachers and other staff that have ‘trusted’ access to children?

    If so, then this rock spider must have told some porkies on his vetting application – that in itself would seem sufficient to trigger the “not of appropriate character” process….

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  11. metcalph (1,428 comments) says:

    He’s been arrested for breaching a condition of his release. Since he had been teaching since 2000, his release would have to be at least twelve years, in other words he was serving a sentence of preventive detention.

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  12. CJPhoto (219 comments) says:

    Grendel is asking the right questions.

    I would also ask why this person decided to go into teaching. Unless they had certain qualifications before they offended, it would be a pretty stupid career choice to take. IE. did they become a teacher as that is what they were before or did they choose it after which may suggest more sinister implications (eg. a convicted fraudster would be silly to choose to go into the banking profession).

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  13. Pete George (23,476 comments) says:

    Grendel’s questions are reasonable to ask in any case, but metcalph’s explanation suggests in this case there’s real cause for concern.

    The wide exposure of working in eight schools suggests a fair amount of arrogance or perceived invincibility.

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  14. Grendel (996 comments) says:

    Pete, there is always cause for concern as from what i have read it seems that the urges that accompany sex offending do not go away they require control.

    however in that concern needs to be rational thought and not getting emotive about it just becuase of the subject matter.

    what metcalph says means its more likely something sinister is the outcome but again do we hold someones past against them forever or do we hope people can change. and lets not assume what the reason for the breach of release is until we know facts.

    the question it does raise is about the vetting procedures of the schools and teachers councils. i worked in teachers payroll back in the 90s and in some cases all we were able to do was to attach a physical note to the physical salary card in case another school tried to hire them. hopefully its better policed now.

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  15. RF (1,380 comments) says:

    Have there been any Shock…. Horror comments from Labour. They are always quick to lay the blame on National.

    Methinks this turkey was teaching during Labours last term

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  16. metcalph (1,428 comments) says:

    I’ll have to walkback my earlier comment about a preventive detention. He was convicted for offenses against a minor in 2004. It is thus possible for him to be on parole for an ordinary sentence and thus subject to recall in 2012. It also means that during some of the twelve years in question, he was in prison and that when he was convicted, the courts had no knowledge of his career as a teacher.

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  17. RRM (9,834 comments) says:

    Obviously something has seriously gone wrong for him to have been working as a teacher for 12 years. At this stage the reports don’t state that he has necessarily abused any students, and hopefully he has not. But there will be a huge number of concerned families.

    Yes the possibility that the offender has served his/her time, mended his/her ways and is now an honest, law-abiding, tax-paying citizen is just not worth even thinking about, eh DPF? ;-)

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  18. RRM (9,834 comments) says:

    Or to put it another way, should convicted criminal Cam Slater receive a lifetime ban from internet self-publishing?

    After all he used his website to breach court suppression orders ONCE, so he is clearly not to be trusted!

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  19. metcalph (1,428 comments) says:

    Yes the possibility that the offender has served his/her time, mended his/her ways and is now an honest, law-abiding, tax-paying citizen is just not worth even thinking about, eh DPF?

    If he is in custody for violating the terms of his release then by definition, he has not served his time but is in fact on parole for the rest of his sentence.

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  20. HB (319 comments) says:

    I think that the form you fill in to apply for any job (not just teacher) in a school consents to a police check. Your name is then provided to the police to be checked.
    If this person has used multiple identities how do we know that there aren’t others doing this?
    How thorough is the police check?
    Also, why are some of you blaming the union, Teachers Council or MOE if it the police check that is failing?

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  21. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    immigant @12.55pm
    Rather poor attempt at trolling there, immigant (even by your low standards). This is got nothing to do with teachers unions. They would not support a convicted sex offender working at a school. Someone with this type of conviction would not be allowed to teach at schools. However, in this case it appears this person has slipped through the cracks. If you read the article you will see that this person has used multiple aliases, and moved around schools (not stayed at one place too long). In other words this person has gone to considerable effort to avoid being detected.

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  22. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    Exactly HB. The issue is finding out exactly how this person avoided their conviction being detected. Any investigation should look firstly at the processes the police use to do their “checks”. Then if it turns out that the police check picked up this persons conviction then look at the MOE and the Teachers Council.
    It has got nothing to do with the union whatsoever.
    When a teacher applies for registration, part of the registration process requires that the teacher must agree (ad pay for!) to a police check of any criminal history. This is then passed on to the Teachers Council. Also a teacher must re-register every three years.

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  23. Viking2 (11,413 comments) says:

    burt (5,450) Says:
    February 28th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    Viking2

    Presumably there hasn’t been any issue till now

    Well “issue till now” is not the point. What has highlighted the “issue” now ? A complaint perhaps…. Maybe ???

    But let me guess, all teachers are the same (the union tells us so) and any teacher over a 12 year period might sexually interfere with a child so the history of convictions is just a sensational headline thing….

    Normally V2, I think you are a rational sensible person…. What’s up with you on this issue ?

    Which of course I really am. Issues require thinking about and cahllanging. Not just accepting what gets spouted as Gospel by the god sellers and politicians and various interest groups. After all if we beleived Mr Fay he should own Crafars and tha Maori’s own NZ. Should they?

    Perhaps others have answered the point here Burt. A 16 yr old can be caught shagging the neighbours cat and get a sentence and become a sexual offender. Happened plenty of times in Aussie now.
    Doesn’t mean he’s a bad dude.

    The big issue here is the shift from an era where no records were readily available to the opint where your last post tonight can be found on google and everything before and data bases exist for everything. At what point Should past behavoir be expunged and just because ists on a database does that make the information necessarily correct. GIGO remains in place.

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  24. RandySavage (216 comments) says:

    PANIC!! JESUS CHRIST!!

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  25. Paulus (2,607 comments) says:

    I thought I heard that he has been named in a school letter despite name supression. I think that Maori TV has a copy ?

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