8/9 on a different quiz

March 12th, 2012 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

No not a politics quiz.

On Sunday 25 March, two of our giveway rules are changing. NZTA has a 10 nine scenario quiz for you to try, to see if you will know what the law will be, after 25 March.

The one question I got wrong, was on round-abouts.

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25 Responses to “8/9 on a different quiz”

  1. Lucia Maria (2,277 comments) says:

    There were only 9 questions!

    I got them all right.

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  2. Graeme Edgeler (3,280 comments) says:

    What about those things that are kind of a roundabout and kind of aren’t? I can see them being rather confusing for everyone.

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  3. coventry (320 comments) says:

    9/9 – key is just to be an arsehole and not give way to anyone.

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  4. davidp (3,576 comments) says:

    Graeme E>What about those things that are kind of a roundabout and kind of aren’t?

    Such as? I’m having trouble imaging what you’re talking about.

    9/9 here. I suggest that DPF should toot his horn and flash his lights as he gets to a roundabout so that other motorists can flee.

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  5. mara (762 comments) says:

    Oh dear. I wonder how much it will cost to have bull-bars fitted to four sides of my vehicle?

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  6. RRM (9,774 comments) says:

    9/9 8-)

    But I’ve noticed that the general NZ motoring public can’t even cope with give way rules that have been unchanged for decades.
    When the rules suddenly change, carnage is going to ensue. I’ll be catching the bus to work for the month beginning 25th March…

    13 DAYS REMAINING UNTIL CARMAGEDDON :-P

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  7. Spam (598 comments) says:

    What about those things that are kind of a roundabout and kind of aren’t? I can see them being rather confusing for everyone.

    In the UK they put those at T-Junctions or other random areas just to create a ‘give-way’ situation and let people from side streets onto the main road. Consider them a traffic management tool.

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  8. Graeme Edgeler (3,280 comments) says:

    A roundabout you drive around, but there are also things that seem like roundabout (and I think which are officially roundabouts) which you drive over.

    e.g. the top of Kelburn Parade in Wellington, which you can see on the following google maps link: http://bit.ly/xJ8nyL view the streetview version and you’ll see what I’m talking about. Lots a people will assume the places like that are roundabouts and lots will assume they’re not.

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  9. Graeme Edgeler (3,280 comments) says:

    In the UK they put those at T-Junctions or other random areas just to create a ‘give-way’ situation and let people from side streets onto the main road. Consider them a traffic management tool.

    I don’t doubt they are. The problem will arise however, when I realise it’s a roundabout and therefore expect someone to my left to give way to me, and they person on my left thinks it’s an ordinary intersection and expects that I will give way to them.

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  10. wreck1080 (3,866 comments) says:

    Roundabouts are shockers, I reckon at least 1/4 do not indicate at all.

    Nothing more annoying than when you want to go straight ahead at the roundabout, some muppet on your right is not indicating so you give way to them, then they suddenly turn left.

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  11. homepaddock (435 comments) says:

    9/9 – give way to the right except when turning right when you give way to everyone; unless you’re on a through-road at a T intersection when the driver on the trunk of the T gives way to you.

    That last point will apply to traffic coming out of car parks so those turning in off a road will have right of way over those coming out.

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  12. davidp (3,576 comments) says:

    Graeme E>A roundabout you drive around, but there are also things that seem like roundabout (and I think which are officially roundabouts) which you drive over.

    They’re just normal-but-small roundabouts. You’re not supposed to drive over them unless you’re a wide load. The one you link to is clearly signed with roundabout and give way at each intersecting street so there shouldn’t be any ambiguity.

    Just by the way, further down Kelburn Parade is the pedestrian overpass. I recall this wasn’t built so that university students could walk from one side of a non-busy street to the other, but to allow network cable to traverse the street. Back in the days before Roger Douglas, the Post Office had a monopoly on telecoms. The university couldn’t legally dig a trench across Kelburn Parade and lay cable in it. Computer terminals on one side of the street had to communicate with computers on the other via the Karori exchange and an exchange down in the city. The overpass was an expensive way to get around this stupidity.

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  13. insider (1,037 comments) says:

    @ Graeme

    Not to get all lawyerly on you but the Land Transport Rules say

    roundabout means an intersection with 1 or more marked lanes or lines of traffic, all of which are for the use of vehicles travelling in a clockwise direction around a central traffic island

    traffic island means a defined area within a roadway, which may be flush with the roadway or raised, and from which vehicular traffic is intended to be excluded

    SO in my non binding opinion, that’s definitely a roundabout as the white spot is an area from which vehicular traffic is intended to be excluded. The bottom end of KP is a plain old intersection

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  14. beautox (438 comments) says:

    I’m getting a bigger horn put on my car..

    Talking of roundabouts, when I lived in Europe 20 years ago they had this stupid “priority to the right” rule (which because they drive on the other side of the road is equivalent to “priority to the left”.) This means that you can basically drive out of a wide road onto a main road, turning left, and the main road traffic has to give way. Crazy, but it does make people drive more carefully.

    Anyway, that’s not the point of my story. That’s roundabouts. Now with priority to the right, what happened was that traffic could always get ONTO the roundabout, but had to give way to get OFF the roundabout. With the entirely predictable result that roundabouts would just jam up the moment there was more than the slightest amount of traffic. So they ended up having to put sets of traffic lights round roundabouts to prevent this happening. I could never work out why they built roundabouts in the first place..

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  15. Return To Sender (13 comments) says:

    if the islanders can manage changing the side of the road they drive on surely we can as a civilized country manage one simple and logical rule change?

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  16. Mark (1,471 comments) says:

    The panel beaters are going to love this :)

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  17. Graeme Edgeler (3,280 comments) says:

    SO in my non binding opinion, that’s definitely a roundabout as the white spot is an area from which vehicular traffic is intended to be excluded.

    No dispute from me.

    My concern is that a large number of drivers may look at something like that and just think of it as an ordinary intersection. They’ll be wrong if and when they do, but that won’t make things much better for everyone else.

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  18. Spoon (104 comments) says:

    I’m moving house that weekend so will be driving a large Ford Transit, so the rule will be everyone give way to me. Easy.

    On a more serious note, the intersection of City Rd and Highgate in Dunedin will be confusing. http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=-45.867499,170.489821&spn=0.001683,0.004128&sll=51.502,-0.4201&sspn=0.023963,0.066047&t=h&z=19

    It’s basically half a roundabout so I’m not sure if roundabout rules or intersection rules will apply. For example, if I’m heading NE on Highgate, and someone is heading N on City Rd, who goes first? If it’s treated as a roundabout, they do. If it’s treated as an intersection, after 25th March I do.

    That said, that intersection is a mess as it is so it probably won’t matter if half the people choose one rule, the other half the other.

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  19. Ryan Sproull (7,093 comments) says:

    Apparently the way to think about the new changes is: whichever vehicle would be hit on its left must give way.

    Seems to work through the test, if you know which situations have changed and which stay the same.

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  20. insider (1,037 comments) says:

    @ beauxtox

    The Arc de Triomphe is a terrifying experience first time round because cars hurtle off the feeder roads without stopping. But that is about seven lanes wide and I think is a special case – maybe it’s seen like merging from an off ramp onto the motorway.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-essence-of-france-can-be-seen-at-the-first-roundabout-449764.html

    Generally if you are on the roundabout you have the right of way.

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  21. lcmortensen (38 comments) says:

    To settle this dispute

    a) if you are on a Stop sign, you have to give way to everyone.
    b) if you are on a Give Way sign, you have to give way to everyone except those on a Stop sign. Hence why traffic entering a roundabout has to give way to traffic already in the roundabout.
    c) failing that, you use the give way rules
    d) failing that, shut your eyes and give it plenty of horn

    They should probably add the following to the quiz:
    a) A left-turning car on a Give Way sign and a right-turning car without one (left-turning car gives way)
    b) A left-turning car and a right-turning ambulance.fire engine/police car with flashing lights (left-turning car gives way)
    c) Two cars turning right at a four way intersection at a set of faulty (flashing yellow) traffic lights, one on the right of the other (give way to your right – the T-intersection double right-turn rule only applies at T-intersections)

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  22. tas (610 comments) says:

    9/9, but I prefer the old rules.

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  23. stiglet (11 comments) says:

    In Auckland. Assume no one will give way to you. They probably won’t, especially the driver rushing a red light.

    At roundabouts. Assume they won’t see you. Half of them aren’t even looking the right way. I like to think of it as the Ostrich approach to driving. If they didn’t see you you couldn’t hurt them.

    Most importantly of all. Never use your horn. That just pisses them off.

    Best approach. Wear big bull bars and try to hit them. That seems to work.

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  24. Steve (4,544 comments) says:

    I don’t see what the problem is. The give way turning left came in at 1997? and we dealt with it.
    Now the law is being changed, read it, understand it and obey it – what is the problem?
    If you don’t agree with the change then fucking tough titties – it is the law. Just stop moaning your arse off and do what the law says – end of story.
    Common sense is not that common these days

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  25. Graeme Edgeler (3,280 comments) says:

    To settle this dispute

    a) if you are on a Stop sign, you have to give way to everyone.

    Except others also at stop signs who are turning right.

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