General Debate 1 March 2012

March 1st, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Pete George (23,327 comments) says:

    A rugby roundup – of the current awful Otago saga. The Herald, Dominion Post and Campbell Live all have their say.

    And more forest of ink dedicated to Otago rugby woes. ODT could stand for Oh Dear Team!

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  2. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    It seems cannabis is good for the prostate. This guy has a 10 y.o. old son!
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/6502597/Pensioner-charged-over-121-cannabis-plants

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  3. Stamper (32 comments) says:

    Is this really our rigorous teacher vetting process?

    Giving fingerprints or DNA samples may be the only way to ensure that convicted sex offenders cannot simply give a false name and then be approved as a teacher, says the head of the Teachers Council, Peter Lind.
    But he said that such a move would be controversial – but it needed to be part of the discussion. Mr Lind admitted that the council RELIED ON APPLICANTS TO TELL THE TRUTH.

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  4. Pete George (23,327 comments) says:

    simply give a false name and then be approved as a teacher,

    Is that for real? Can’t they check against evidence of qualifications? Or can anyone say whatever they like?

    Is it time National Standards applied to teachers?

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  5. Colville (2,186 comments) says:

    Well here is a surprise….

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/6502905/Turangi-child-rapists-mum-admits-failure

    “I didn’t safeguard my children, and I didn’t apply myself to looking after them,” Lavinia Wall said yesterday.

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  6. Stamper (32 comments) says:

    @PG
    simply give a false name and then be approved as a teacher,

    Is that for real?

    Yep – according to NZ Herald
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10788974

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  7. Colville (2,186 comments) says:

    How can they not use a computer to check a teacher is “real” ffs !
    I walked into a bank yesterday to open a new account they did everything but anal probe me before they let me DEPOSIT a huge amount of money! and I could have got a job as a teacher faster huh? cool, cept I pretty much hate kids :-)

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  8. Chris2 (768 comments) says:

    Someone from a background screening company called Personal Verification Ltd was talking on the radio last night about this teacher/sex offender case. He said that teachers even enjoy the protection of the Clean Slate Act, so that any convictions more than 7 years are concealed. Whereas he said social workers and nannies don’t have that protection. This seems wrong and one wonders how teachers managed to get an exemption from full criminal disclosure.

    The guy also said he had looked at the Teachers Registration forms and said there was no requirement to provide proof of identity, like a driver licence or passport.

    He reckoned this should be implemented and also that school boards, as the employer, had a responsibility for background checking teachers when it hired them, such as contacting referees and previous schools they had worked at. He said in the current case the schools obviously never did this as they would have uncovered his use of fake identities immediately. I hope this Government enquiry talks to this company as the guy seems to know how to fix the problem.

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  9. KiwiGreg (3,218 comments) says:

    @ stamper I dont beleive it.

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  10. Pete George (23,327 comments) says:

    Thinking outside the square?

    Bishop wants a beach in Cathedral Square

    Christchurch’s Cathedral Square could be transformed into an artificial beach with large movie screens.

    Bishop of Christchurch Victoria Matthews said the proposal could help make the earthquake-damaged Square “welcoming and engaging” again.

    Is paddling there a good idea, or is it just a piddle in a wind tunnel?

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  11. Northland Wahine (659 comments) says:

    Stamper… and from the father Mark Marino “From my experience not all like him come out. I’m not able to help him now; he will be on his own for a while.”

    His mother AND father were responsible for raising … “this” whatever name you wish to attach to him.

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  12. Griff (6,995 comments) says:

    The position given to gangs within Maori society has to stop

    To these Gang kids
    Normal social interaction includes The Bash, drug dealing,property offenses, rape and general lawlessness.
    No surprise as to the out come…….

    GANGS are no more than animals yet moaridom tolerates even elevates their existence.

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  13. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    That’s fucking incredible. What do the brainiacs at the Teachers Council or the Min Ed do? It’s simple:
    “Dude, here’s your registration form. Please provide a copy of your birth certificate and your qualification”.

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  14. Dazzaman (1,132 comments) says:

    Chris2

    He said that teachers even enjoy the protection of the Clean Slate Act, so that any convictions more than 7 years are concealed. Whereas he said social workers and nannies don’t have that protection. This seems wrong and one wonders how teachers managed to get an exemption from full criminal disclosure.

    Unions sir, unions….

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  15. Keeping Stock (10,177 comments) says:

    @ Griff; I agree; maybe it’s time that if we are the civilised society we profess to be, we have to consider banning criminal gangs

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/03/too-little-too-late.html

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  16. Don the Kiwi (1,649 comments) says:

    What KS and Griff said.

    Ban the bastards, and if they resist and cause civil unrest, send in the military and blow the bastards away.

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  17. Dazzaman (1,132 comments) says:

    Griff, there is an element of tribalism within the gangs. The lines of traditional tribalism lining up with gang affiliations is probably not so evident today, though the gangs have taken on their own sense of tribalism which is no doubts attractive to those areas which have been more entrenched in this type of thinking.

    The banning of criminal gangs would be a given surely! Also a hardline approach against the gangs (drugs too, it’s their life blood), DAILY, would be the best approach but hey, there’s money to be made in traffic revenue collection.

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  18. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    GANGS are no more than animals yet Maoridom tolerates even elevates their existence.

    Why are you surprised?

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  19. grumpyoldhori (2,416 comments) says:

    DNA and fingerprinting for ALL those who work with kids will work.

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  20. Lance (2,561 comments) says:

    Good grief
    I agree with grumpyoldhori

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  21. Griff (6,995 comments) says:

    Legalize cannabis and stop funding gangs by creating a black market
    Doing this would also limit their criminal network
    Enforce no association orders vigorously
    Stamp out the existence of gangs behind bars
    We control the environment inside why do gangs persist?
    Maoridom must demonize those that join gangs not support them
    There is no room in modern life for any excuses for fearal behavior

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  22. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Key’s weakness is apparent in his appointing of Anne Tolley to the position of Min of Corrections..She was useless as Min of Education and now already as Min of Corrections , she is way out of her depth. Just watch her botch this one.
    Doesn’t anyone get sacked for incompetence any more?

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  23. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    After more than a decade of highly reliable cable modem service from TelstraClear, the latest and onging issues are starting to irk me. Time to jump ship perhaps? Grrrrr

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  24. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Doesn’t anyone get sacked for incompetence any more?

    No. Just look at Double Dipton English and Nutter Nick Smith.

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  25. publicwatchdog (2,286 comments) says:

    http://202.68.89.83/en-NZ/PB/Presented/Petitions/7/b/d/50DBHOH_PET3097_1-Petition-of-Penelope-Mary-Bright-and-307-others.htm

    29 February 2012

    Petition of Penelope Mary Bright and 307 others

    That the House conduct an urgent inquiry into the decisions regarding prosecutions relating to the Huljich Kiwisaver Scheme registered prospectuses dated 22 August 2008 and 18 September 2009.

    Petition number: 2011/5
    Presented by: Phil Twyford
    Date presented: 29 February 2012
    Referred to: Commerce Committee

    __________________________________________________________________________________________________

    So!

    Which MPs from which political parties are going to put their hands up and say that they DON’T agree with ‘ONE LAW FOR ALL’?

    Which MPs from which political parties are going to put their hands up and say that they DON’T agree ‘that the House should conduct an urgent inquiry into prosecutions relating to the Huljich Kiwisaver Scheme registered prospectuses dated 22 August 2008 and 18 September 2009′?

    Especially when to date four ‘regulatory bodies’ – the former (useless) Securities Commission, the new Finance Markets Authority (FMA), the Serious Fraud Office (SFO) and the NZ Police – have refused to charge the now Minister of Regulatory Reform, the (new) ACT Party Leader and MP (but for how long?) for Epsom?

    For background information – do feel free to check out http://www.pennybright4epsom.org.nz

    Come on Kiwibloggers!

    Which of YOU will put YOUR names forward for NOT believing in ‘ONE LAW FOR ALL’?

    (Especially ACT Party members!

    Hey!

    Remember 3 ACT Party Leaders ago?

    Former ACT Party Leader Rodney Hide?

    Rodney believes in ACT’s ‘ONE LAW FOR ALL’.

    Rodney also believes that John Banks and Don Brash should be charged, and said so publicly on Radio Live 20 January 2012.

    Cheers!

    Penny Bright
    Anti-Corruption Campaigner

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  26. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Penny Dim, you’re a source of endless laughter and entertainment.

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  27. Colville (2,186 comments) says:

    Manolo, know anyone that needs a Ph.D soon to be ex IBMer UNIX geek?
    I have a spare one living at my house that needs gainful employment :-)

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  28. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    Penny- That doesn’t make any sense whatsoever!

    But as Billy Joel sang “don’t go changing”….

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  29. KevinH (1,158 comments) says:

    @Griff and Manolo claim;

    “GANGS are no more than animals yet moaridom tolerates even elevates their existence.”

    My experience living in a community with a high Maori population is contrary to your claim. The vast majority of Maori are as equally fed up with gangs because their behaviour is indiscriminate, gangs persecute the Maori community just as much as the general population.
    The way forward in dealing with ethnic gangs like the Mongrel Mob and Black Power is to deny them of new recruits to their cause. To achieve that involves lifting the aspirational goals of Maori youth to aspire to a life free of crime, drugs and alcohol abuse.

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  30. Northland Wahine (659 comments) says:

    I agree KevinH, and it would be bloody helpful if our government would stop funding gang *work* schemes in the inane belief that that this helps gang and their prospects into gainful employment and lower the crime rate.

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  31. graham (2,284 comments) says:

    Why on earth would anybody bother replying to you, Penny, when you ask “Come on Kiwibloggers! Which of YOU will put YOUR names forward for NOT believing in ‘ONE LAW FOR ALL’?” …

    … when you – the self-proclaimed ‘public watchdog’, the ‘champion of transparency’, refuse to answer the VERY SAME QUESTION?!

    You are, after all, the woman who advocates STEALING power from the Auckland City Council.

    And you are the woman who has advocated STEALING water which she has not paid for, and has demonstrated to others how to do it.

    Soooo … how about YOU Penny?

    Do YOU support ‘ONE LAW FOR ALL’?

    Or not?

    If not – why not?

    ONE LAW FOR ALL – EVEN YOU, PENNY BRIGHT!

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  32. Fletch (6,148 comments) says:

    Dunno if anyone else has posted this so –

    Hillary Barry’s uncontrollable laughter while reading the News this morning.

    http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Hilary-Barry-blooper-Relentless-fits-of-laughter/tabid/506/articleID/26379/Default.aspx

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  33. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    sorry joana, 12.43

    Anne Tolley is not useless,
    she might not be the brightest star but,
    she is not a walkover,
    she did Ok in education, they could not walk over her, she at the very least held her own.
    National standards and all that.

    i think you are being a bit too tough there.

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  34. chiz (1,131 comments) says:

    Time for the religous nutters to get outraged: Alison Mau proposes to girlfriend.

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  35. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    One interesting question chiz.

    When did Alison decide that she was (bi) bi meaning lesso ?

    Was it before she married some poor sap and conned him into thinking they had a lovely relationship, have some sprogs
    and all good ?

    Or, was she full of shit from the get go
    Always knew she was bent but wanted the best of both worlds ?

    If you think you get to her age and suddenly find your a lesbian/homosexual .. Bullshit.

    She used that poor bastard Simon Dallow.
    She sucked him in so she could have the best of both worlds
    and that makes her a POS

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  36. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    An unrepentant warmist speaks: http://michellemalkin.com/2012/02/29/ted-turner-2/
    Just a regular guy burning some fossil fuel, as the rest of us. His hypocrisy is beyond belief.

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  37. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    and i should have added, so, so typical of sickos of her type, over and over.
    Dishonest to themselves, their partners, friends (cept their new friends) parents, etc.

    Just gutless people who cause so much harm to others because they are so, so selfish.

    Why ‘celebrate’ these weak self centered fuckups ?
    What a pity that Alison couldn’t have been honest.

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  38. Viking2 (11,275 comments) says:

    Is it actually any of your business what people do bereal?

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  39. Viking2 (11,275 comments) says:

    Well looks like POAL is well on the way down.

    http://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/22474-port-investing-expansion.html

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  40. Leaping Jimmy (16,111 comments) says:

    So James Murdoch, as I predicted (I’m reid), steps down. Will Lachlan, as I also predicted, return like Lazarus in due course, to repair the damage?

    Stay tuned.

    How exciting.

    I’m just waiting for both Rupert and James to be declared unfit persons to run a company in both the US and the UK. The NYT in the US is really gunning for Murdoch.

    But he still holds a lot of politicians in his pocket on both sides of the ditch, so maybe that won’t happen.

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  41. kowtow (7,945 comments) says:

    Time for the religious nutters to get outraged…….

    jiz ,are you some sort of bigot?

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  42. Viking2 (11,275 comments) says:

    Boss spent $1m on women

    fraud Fraudster ripped off South Canterbury Finance to the tune of $23m – more than $1m of which he spent on “various female companions”.

    Yep tax[ayer rooted again. Guess who is now going to pay for this pricks rooting.
    The Taxpayer via Sth Canterbury Finance.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/6506274/Guilty-plea-in-23m-SCF-fraud-case

    Mind you the irony is not lost on us. One fraudster screwing another who screws the long suffering. Hope the girlies enjoyed shagging this old prick.

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  43. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Bereal
    Time will tell re Tolley. She was min of Ed whilst this sex codger was teaching and seeking to adopt a child. And yes , I am usually tough.

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  44. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    Leaping Jimmy – Leap day was yesterday. Back to reid now, there’s a good lad.

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  45. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Anyone taking Lipitor etc.? News out today is that the drug companies are going to be putting warnings on all statins and statin combo drugs re risk of memory loss and Diabetes. How long have they been covering this up? A NZ study indicated memory loss in 2007..It is 2012 so why has it taken them so long?

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  46. Fletch (6,148 comments) says:

    Bereal, when Mau split from Dallow, I noted that one of the women’s magazines had her photo on the cover, with the caption, Alison’s Courage – “I just don’t love Simon any more”

    I had to ask myself – what courage? Lots of people who have been married for a number of years get to thinking they’re not “in love” with their spouse any more – but it also comes down to the commitment you make. Love becomes different as you go on – not so much about the “lovey dovey” feelings, as the commitment and devotion to one another.

    It doesn’t take much “courage” to split up with someone – Hollywood stars do it all the time. The hard part is to stick it out and honour your promise.

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  47. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    hey joana 7.10

    by the same token, i guess you think that
    the US president in charge when the Japs bombed Pearl Harbpour was responsible. Right ?

    More importantly, have you any observations regarding a person who, knowing themselves to be bent (ie homo)
    then sucks an innocent other, such as Simon Dallow into a marriage just to pass themselves off as straight, while it was
    convienient to them ( Alison) then suddenly “comes out” as “gay or bi.”

    and society accepts that as cool.

    When we know that if it was the other way around and Simon had come out as a bum bandit …………..
    a shirt lifter who wanted to have kids as well… that would not be cool.

    Any thoughts ?

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  48. Steve (4,522 comments) says:

    joana@7.14pm

    ‘A NZ study indicated memory loss in 2007..It is 2012 so why has it taken them so long?’

    Think. I know it is hard to think, but you will be better if you try

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  49. nasska (10,910 comments) says:

    There once was a toad that was excluded from all Green Toad activities because he was a handsome shade of yellow. So he went to visit a beautiful fairy in the town over who had the power to grant wishes.

    “Fairy,” he said. “I would like to be green, so I can play with all the other toads.”

    “Granted!” said the fairy, who turned him yellow. Unfortunately, his little toady penis was still yellow.

    “What about my penis?” he asked the fairy.

    “Oh! For that, you’ll have to go see the wizard.” And so the toad hopped off to find the wizard. Soon, a pink elephant visited the fairy, and he wished to be turned gray. She granted him the wish, but, as with the toad, his penis was still pink. So she told him to visit the wizard.

    “How do I find the wizard?” he asked.

    “Just follow the yellow dick toad.”

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  50. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Wife’s Diary:

    Tonight, I thought my husband was acting weird. We had made plans to meet at a nice restaurant for dinner. I had been shopping with my friends all day long, so I thought he was upset at the fact that I was a bit late, but he made no comment on it.

    Conversation wasn’t flowing, so I suggested that we go somewhere quiet so we could talk.

    He agreed, but he didn’t say much. I asked him what was wrong; He said, “Nothing.” I asked him if it was my fault that he was upset. He said he wasn’t upset, that it had nothing to do with me, and not to worry about it.

    On the way home, I told him that I loved him. He smiled slightly, and kept driving. I can’t explain his behaviour I don’t know why he didn’t say, ‘I love you, too.’

    When we got home, I felt as if I had lost him completely, as if he wanted nothing to do with me anymore. He just sat there quietly, and watched TV.

    He continued to seem distant and absent.

    Finally, with silence all around us, I decided to go to bed. About 15 minutes later, he came to bed. But I still felt that he was distracted, and his thoughts were somewhere else.

    He fell asleep – I cried. I don’t know what to do.

    I’m almost sure that his thoughts are with someone else.

    My life is a disaster.

    Husband’s Diary:

    Boat wouldn’t start, can’t figure it out.

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  51. nasska (10,910 comments) says:

    Three girlfriends are talking about their partners.

    “Every time I stroke Frank’s balls they’re freezing cold,” says Sandra.

    “Wow, same for me,” says Angie. “Every time I stroke Dave’s balls they’re practically frozen.”

    Susie says very little the whole evening, but when they all meet up a week later she’s wearing large sunglasses to hide a black eye.

    “What happened to you?” asks Sandra.

    “I wish I knew,” says Susie. “All I did was ask my Bob why his balls were as cold as Frank’s and Dave’s …”

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  52. Steve (4,522 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay

    Wife’s Diary

    The spark plugs man, they have to be clean, even for a jump start

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  53. Pete George (23,327 comments) says:

    The Kim Dotcom interview on Campbell clarified but didn’t add a great deal to the growing concern that US big business could be trying to do over Megaupload and New Zealand just because they can choose whatever target suits them, regardless of whether it’s legally justified or not.

    After all they have already shut down the whole business.

    Disturbing Dotcom – with links to video and transcript.

    Is Megaupload the Iraq of the cloud?

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  54. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    cut to the chase girls.

    Is it Ok for Alison Mau to come out as ‘Gay’ Bi, By transgender,or fked up etc, etc, etc, then why…..

    Would it be any different if Simon Dallow had come out as a shirt lifter ? Homo,
    bum bandit…after he had spawned his sprogs.

    i just feel sorry for this poor bloke and his children.

    Fuck you Alison, you seem to be OK. what about the kids and your ex,
    Your Ok. BUT

    Just seems like to me it’s not OK.

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  55. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Bereal..I am busy..sorry not interested in the Dallow Mau thing .. don’t have an opinion , tho agree with Fletch walking out seems pretty easy for many people.
    Steve..I am not understanding you mate..Also others on here know I don’t respond to personal abuse or sarcasm..I am only responding to you now to make this clear.
    I have always valued my time and value it even more now having lived in CHCH for the past 18 mths.

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  56. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    joana
    thats cool.
    if your so busy.
    Why don’t you just fuck off.
    When time is so valuable………..

    Don’t be sorry, just fuck off.
    Why should i give a fuck about where you live.
    Get it ?

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  57. Viking2 (11,275 comments) says:

    Oh my goodness. Weeks later some are starting to wake up.

    Now add to that the stain issue and you begin to understand.
    Up to 4 years ago there has never been a proper examination of the use of stains and indeed never a study to show that hogh cholesterol is even a problem. No one has studied why people with low cholesterol suddenly drop dead nor indeed if their is any relationship between chloesterol in the blood versus blooked arteries.

    All a myth to make Yankee pharma comp[anies rich by having dependent customers.

    Similar for products like Premarin. Feed by Dr’s to women at the expanse of womens health. In the last two years virtually withdrawn from the market after finally someone did some proper research.

    Yankee corpn’s are bastards. That’s why the rest of the world doesn’t like them.

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  58. Nostalgia-NZ (5,044 comments) says:

    bereal
    9.24

    You’re awfully reticent tonight.
    Cat get your tongue?

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  59. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Nostalgia
    good point
    must be the primo red.
    i had thought joana had sum sense untill 2 night.
    Then again, she says shes not understanding see, 9.09
    She is right about that.

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  60. Leaping Jimmy (16,111 comments) says:

    Is Megaupload the Iraq of the cloud?

    I posted this last night but since my name change went into moderation it went unnoticed till this morning, but aposite to this topic, is an expose by John Stossell of 60 mins fame on how the US is full of this bullshit, these days:

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  61. Griff (6,995 comments) says:

    The Internet is as important as the printed word was.
    As printing arose so did a leap in technology and knowledge that lead to the industrial revolution.
    The Internet with its real time instant communication is another leap forward that will far reaching and lasting repercussions for humanity.
    To let the USA and in particulars her corporations have control is to limit its possibilities.

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  62. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Now lets hope sumwun could interpret whatever poor old Griff was trying to say @ 10.24
    Please help poor old Griff.
    Poor sod.
    Still, it’s getting late.
    He is trying.

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  63. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    i know who would understand what poor old Griff was trying to say.

    Sumcunt. and his mate, onehunglow.

    Time for another bevy Griff.

    Good try but.

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  64. Griff (6,995 comments) says:

    Bereal give up the piss before it gets ya

    Number one rule the man takes the drug do not let the drug take the man.

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  65. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    One last try Griff,

    What on earth profound truth were you trying to get out @ 10.24 ?

    i wont even embarass you by asking what you thought you were trying to say @ 10.54
    Seems to be something about rules and drugs…Duh.
    talk to you 2morra when i hope you are feeling better.

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  66. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    You can choose your friends, but not your family: http://img.ibtimes.com/www/articles/20120301/307343_obama-uncle-onyango-court-driving-drunk.htm

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  67. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Bereal..I was tired and busy but pleased to see that you are still sweet.

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  68. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    joana
    sorry i was a bit rude and obnoxious last nite.

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