General Debate 25 March 2012

March 25th, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. tvb (4,193 comments) says:

    It is reported that the Pullar woman received $1m from an insurance payout. I assume David will defend that just as he defends that Boag woman. But these people are friends of mine he cries. Well I guess you cannot pick your family though I hasten to add that David’s appears fine but you can pick your friends.

    [DPF: Don't be a dick. How can I possibly have a view on a private issue between Pullar and her insurer, without knowing the details]

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  2. Pete George (22,734 comments) says:

    Otago student events have had some bad coverage in the past. Yesterday’s Hyde Street Keg Party has had minimal news coverage after the event, which suggests few problems. It was uber organised, very well attended and hopefully was a good day for many.

    ODT and TV1 reported that it was “shut down” and “forced to close” but that seems to be poor reporting as the one way policy put in place mid afternoon was a planned strategy.

    Hyde Street Keg Party 2012 – roundup.

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  3. tvb (4,193 comments) says:

    On a more pleasing note the Queensland Labour Party may be down to 7 seats, down from 51. There Labour ladies are very unpopular Leaders for the ALP and hence I simply do not think Julia Gillard will win any seats for the ALP in Queensland. Whereas KRudd might.

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  4. Scott Chris (5,870 comments) says:

    NZ Celebs Paid To Promote Gambling

    Mike Hosking has done regular work for the casino, and Paul Henry has a “long-standing association” with it. SkyCity sponsors several big-name sports stars and provides a ‘chairman’s card’ for a small number of celebrities allowing them free five-star hotel rooms, meals and drinks.

    On a moral par with Richard Long and Stacey Jones imo.

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  5. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    Why Queensland is doing so much better than NZ.

    In fact NZers should be banned from moving there.

    Keep the country destroying Marxist voters where they belong.

    They only bring crime anyway, with the Gold Coast (where NZers flock to) being the highest crime region in the country.

    Crime and a Marxist mentality.

    Who needs it?

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  6. hj (6,330 comments) says:

    I see Frogblog is staying away from the Urewera 4 “debacle” (wisely). The demented Delahunty has a crack at it however:
    http://www.greens.org.nz/speeches/catherine-delahunty-speaks-house-about-urewera-four-case

    “That day saw the fears of many of us that the Terrorism Suppression Act would be attempted to be used against the activist community, and citizens who dared to challenge dominant culture views — particularly tangata whenua — would be at risk. And how right we turned out to be.

    Even though the police case was not accepted by the Solicitor-General, the price is being, and has been, paid. So the whole house of cards did come down, because the Solicitor-General said that it could not be called terrorism”….[ and rhubarb]…

    and the charismatic Clendon
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1203/S00262/green-party-comment-on-urewera-verdict.htm

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  7. hj (6,330 comments) says:

    Chris Trotter discusses the Urewera Wankers here:

    “The failures began with the Police decision to rely upon technological, rather than human, evidence gathering. If ever there was a case that warranted the insertion of an undercover policeman or woman, or the ‘turning” of one or more of the participants, this was it. The activities being contemplated, discussed and planned for by the Campers were, above all, political. Securing any kind of serious conviction would, therefore, be based on the defendants’ ideas, and the lengths to which they would go to turn those ideas into reality.

    “Convincing evidence of this kind can only be gathered and presented by people who were actually there when such discussions were taking place. The successful prosecution of pre-emptive anti-terrorism charges will always turn on the state of mind of the terrorist; on why he or she was willing to acquire the skills necessary to carry out terrorist acts – and apply them. It was the failure of the Police, and all the other agencies of our national security apparatus, to understand this crucial aspect of the case (not to mention their inept and apparently illegal use of surveillance technology) which largely explains the Crown’s inability to secure a conviction.”
    http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.co.nz/

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  8. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    tvb (2,436) Says:
    March 25th, 2012 at 8:07 am

    It is reported that the Pullar woman received $1m from an insurance payout. I assume David will defend that just as he defends that Boag woman. But these people are friends of mine he cries. Well I guess you cannot pick your family though I hasten to add that David’s appears fine but you can pick your friends.

    Clearly tvb you have never had dealings with this shithouse outfit. Wait till you do and then you might just change your mind.
    Oh wait,no, you slobbering lefties will put up with any abuse handed down and go away grateful.

    More for you on top of yesterdays revelations.

    Embattled insurer ACC has been caught out scrambling to shut down yet another privacy breach in the very week it has been forced to accept an audit into its handling of client files.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/6633165/ACC-tries-to-plug-another-breach

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  9. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    The Police case failed becuse they tried to use a lousy piece of legislation to prosecute an essentially harmless bunch of clowns.

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  10. hj (6,330 comments) says:

    “The Crown Prosecutor’s, Ross Burns, strategy seems to have been one of “show and tell” – and that’s about it. In the reported parts of the trial it did not appear that any of the Crown’s lawyers understood the faintest thing about left-wing revolutionary theory, or had even the most rudimentary grasp of recent left-wing history. ”

    …….
    like embracing te tiritti as “proof of authentic revolutionary praxis”…. as it breaks the dominant group from their hold on power.

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  11. hj (6,330 comments) says:

    “essentially harmless bunch of clowns”
    ……………
    Paul Buchanan:

    I will not repeat the things that I mentioned in the three Scoop articles I dedicated to the subject in late 2007, but suffice it to say that in terms of planning, preparation, capabilities, target and evidence of intent the Urewera 18 (now 17) fell far short of the mark when it comes to “terrorism.” This is not to say that a mentally unbalanced individual or some pisshead stoners could not be dangerous. Nor does it detract from the fact that having peace activists and environmentalists playing at commando is a bad look.
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2011/05/greens_compare_us_to_terrorists.html#comments

    On the Green Party Forum:

    As someone quite rightly put it last night….’if not one talks, everyone walks’.

    It is not gossip it is fucken serious and some of our comrades are facing a long time behind bars, it would be good if people could remember that.

    Now is an important time to remember AND PRACTISE those good old rules about security culture and solidarity!

    The media are easy to ignore however the filth is a different story and it is likely that they will want to ‘talk’ to some people. If you are concerned about this and don’t know what your rights are etc… please seek the advise of an experienced activist who you TRUST. Maybe we need to have a workshop around this sometime in the next few days so that everyone is confident.
    http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2007/12/evidence-of-green-partyanarchist.html

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  12. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Conspiracy theorists abound, police, universities, reporters et al.

    Oh and of course the worst being the American Govt. and its various agencies including but not limited to the FBI, CIA etc.

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  13. Yvette (2,684 comments) says:

    The 15 October debacle requires the following: no retrial, apology to Tūhoe, and an independent inquiry. And I just want to say, as a citizen and MP I apologise to the Tuhoe nation and call upon the Crown to do the same.

    http://www.greens.org.nz/speeches/catherine-delahunty-speaks-house-about-urewera-four-case

    From this stance then, Catherine Delahunty is able to tell us what the court did not seem to be able to determine – exactly what Tama Iti and the others were doing.

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  14. hj (6,330 comments) says:

    “Worth Waiting For: The people of South Africa, oppressed for decades by a system which conferred exclusive political, economic and social authority upon a militant ethnic minority, queued in the sun for hours to exercise “one person, one vote”. The New Zealand Greens dismiss this fundamental democratic process as “the limited concept of conservative Pakeha that one man, one vote is the only manifestation of democracy possible in Aotearoa”.
    http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.co.nz/2010/05/taking-greens-seriously.html

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  15. grumpyoldhori (2,410 comments) says:

    Heh, hard working bible and gun grasping white septics, fuck, they are as thick as too many on the extreme right in NZ.

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/11/pelosis-daughter-maher-unite-to-perpetuate-southern-stereotypes/

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  16. hj (6,330 comments) says:

    Here is Mr Tanczos’ statement-emphasis added;

    “If we say ‘well Pakeha have the power now, so tough’ and base our occupation on simple domination, then we have to prepare ourselves for permanent civil unrest and eventually when the demographics change enough, for outright war. I have spoken to people who see this as the future, and it frightens the hell out of me.

    I think that the high level of Maori in prison is indicative that many people DO see this as the reality, both in the sense of many esp. poor Maori having no stake or commitment to society in its current forms, and also in the sense of a racist system parts of which aim to dominate and suppress Maori people. ”
    http://www.trevorloudon.com/2007/11/should-nandor-tanczos-be-talking-to-the-police/

    and Mr Tancozs “advisor” was….??
    http://www.trevorloudon.com/2008/08/green-party-file-2-radical-rayna-fahey/

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  17. flipper (3,534 comments) says:

    Tell me if I am wrong:
    1. Collins (ex medical lawyer come sol gen now judge) told Clark, Cullen, Burton King et al that the use of the Terrorism Suppression Act was approprtiate (King tyo ‘olmes) tv One this am.

    2. One month later Collins changes his mind.

    And this twit has now been appointed as a judge.

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  18. grumpyoldhori (2,410 comments) says:

    hj outright war, who are we Maori going to war with, our pakeha wives, mothers, fathers ?

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  19. cows4me (248 comments) says:

    To true grumpy.

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  20. Other_Andy (2,262 comments) says:

    @HJ

    Tanczos, Delahunty (And probably many if not all “Greens”) believe in “Critical race theory”, part of the neo-Marxist “Critical Theory”.

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  21. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    A great,”How to” refrerence book for muslims.

    http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/23/book-tells-muslim-men-how-to-beat-and-control-their-wives

    i still havent seen any muslim apologists on this blog explaining the reasoning behind the muslim tradition
    that before you murder your daughter or wife for dishonouring you, you and your family gang rape her.

    Why do they do that ?

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  22. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    bereal

    Am I the only person who finds the deafening silence from the sisterhood when this topic is raised very strange. For years feminists have quite rightly fought to free themselves from male domination & violence.

    Yet when Muslim women are raped, beaten & even killed by their men such behaviour is lightly written off as cultural & ignored.

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  23. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Another enigma nasska,

    A lady correspondent on KB might care to comment on that.

    Maybe the answer lies in the muslim truth that women are as thick as.

    As the quote from this great tome of muslim wisdom says,
    ” You should treat her with kindness, even if she
    tends to be stupid and slow sometimes.”

    i wouldn’t mind betting that the NZ woman who recently went to Egypt and married her muslim dream man
    considered herself to be liberated untill he dissabused her of that notion by beating her, starving her, and whipping
    her with a ‘slave whip.’ for not respecting him as she should.

    i understand that she has now returned to NZ a very much sorryer but wiser woman.

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  24. Longknives (4,390 comments) says:

    Best news I’ve heard all weekend!
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/6634113/Armstrong-jailed-for-drug-smuggling

    Only a New Zealand jury would be stupid/gullible enough to beleve her pathetic sob story….

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  25. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    And of course, this sort of shit against women will never catch on amongst muslims in
    New Zealand.

    Just like it could never catch on amongst muslims in Canada.

    (the Canadians ‘embrace’ and ‘celebrate’ their muslim immigrants almost as much as we do.)

    Radical islam will never ever appear in New Zealand because we are different from every other country in the world
    that has imported muslims. (several moronic posters on this very blog have pointed that out)

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  26. Other_Andy (2,262 comments) says:

    @bereal

    It’s because it doesn’t fit the narrative of the left.
    It isn’t important what is done, it is who did what to whom..
    Certain groups, based on political leanings, sex, sexual orientation, race, religion and ethnicity, get a special pass. They are not held to the same standards as other groups.

    Islam is a non-’western’, non-Christian, (Mostly) non-white culture and needs to be protected from Western imperialists.

    It’s a bit like the Trayvon Martin story.
    The flash mobs and race baiters are threatening riots and violence before the facts are out.
    When on the other hand something similar occurs but doesn’t fit the narrative the MSM is silent.
    Not a word…..
    http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-04/news/31122324_1_white-boy-fire-tv-station

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  27. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Bereal and Nasska,
    The best lady on KB to answer your queries would be Scott Chris.

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  28. Ryan Sproull (7,025 comments) says:

    i still havent seen any muslim apologists on this blog explaining the reasoning behind the muslim tradition
    that before you murder your daughter or wife for dishonouring you, you and your family gang rape her.

    That is not a part of Islam.

    As the quote from this great tome of muslim wisdom says,
    ” You should treat her with kindness, even if she tends to be stupid and slow sometimes.”

    Would you quote a KKK publication as a “great tome of Christian wisdom”? There are hateful, abusive, twisted, ignorant fools out there of all persuasions and flavours. You’ve cited an example of one of them writing claiming to speak for Islam. You can find others speaking for Christianity, socialism, Judaism, anarchism, anything.

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  29. Other_Andy (2,262 comments) says:

    @Ryan Sproull

    What about quoting the ‘Great tomes of Islamic wisdom’ Ryan?
    The Koran and the Hadiths?

    A woman is deficient in intelligence and religion.
    A woman may be likened to a sheep a cow or a camel…for all are ridden.
    Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like.
    If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them of the teaching of God, then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great.

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  30. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    Ryan Sproull

    I would happily ignore a KKK publication but when the book a religion is based on instructs its followers to abuse their women then there is something screwy…..especially one described as the ‘Religion of Peace’.

    Quran, Sura 4:34:

    “Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme.”

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  31. Ryan Sproull (7,025 comments) says:

    What about quoting the ‘Great tomes of Islamic wisdom’ Ryan?
    The Koran and the Hadiths?

    They’re fair game, yep.

    A woman is deficient in intelligence and religion.
    A woman may be likened to a sheep a cow or a camel…for all are ridden.
    Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like.
    If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them of the teaching of God, then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great.

    Yep, all pretty bad, though in that last one the word you’ve translated as “hit” is apparently the same word as “separate from”.

    Definitely a lot of sexism in the Qu’ran and many Hadiths.

    Check out some of these Qu’ran quotes for more ammo:

    “I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.”

    “Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.”

    “For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands”

    Undoubtedly a lot of sexism in the Qu’ran, but the guy who wrote the manual on wife-beating isn’t in it.

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  32. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    Fill ya boots.

    http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/index.htm

    http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm

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  33. Ryan Sproull (7,025 comments) says:

    nasska,

    As above: the word you’ve translated as “beat” has a variety of meanings. You may interpret it in isolation as a directive to commit domestic abuse, but Muslim scholars are almost unanimous in disagreeing with you on that. Usually their justification for not using your “beat” translation is in reference to other parts of the Qu’ran.

    So, lots of interpretation. If you want to paint it in a bad light, you sure can. If you want to paint it in a good light, as Muslim apologists do, they sure can. Again, just as there are Christians who cite scripture to justify their beating of wives and children, there are far more who cite scripture as a condemnation of domestic violence.

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  34. Ryan Sproull (7,025 comments) says:

    Actually, which of these Qu’ran quotes is the most sexist?

    “I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.”

    “Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.”

    “For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands.”

    I’m sure that context they make more sense.

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  35. Leaping Jimmy (15,912 comments) says:

    nasska re: your 1:16, as a Christian I know personally, what “being religious” is all about. That is, I live it, in it and with it. Not as an intellectual concept but as an actual state of being.

    I often find that people who don’t do this themselves nevertheless seem to think they know what I think about religion, what I believe about it and even what my own ethics are simply because they have read one or more of the same books I have read. Sometimes with the Bible I find these people haven’t even read it even once, from cover to cover, and they still know, not think, but know, precisely what I myself think and believe.

    This is a tremendous fallacy of course, on their part, but they’re so arrogant in their certainty that even when I tell them that no, I don’t think like [x] they don’t believe me and instead point to some passage somewhere that supports their contention and say smugly: so there, you see, there it is, in black and white. So there!

    Now, normally I just sigh on the inside when this happens, which is quite a lot. But it gets worse because when I go on and point out to them a half dozen or so other passages which raise questions about their interpretation which is often out of context and superficial, they still can’t move on in their own minds and doggedly stick to their original interpretation, refusing to understand or even try to understand, the significance of the alternative interpretations I’ve been pointing to.

    All I’m saying is nasska, I don’t know if the Qu’ran is like the Bible for I haven’t read it, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the very same thing happens to Muslims so if I were you, I’d just be a bit careful of assuming something like what you’re assuming, unless of course you’re an Islamic scholar and you really do know the Qu’ran forwards, backwards and sideways in which case, I do apologise for my temerity.

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  36. Ryan Sproull (7,025 comments) says:

    Ignore me. Leaping Jimmy has enough sanity for all. I’m superfluous to requirements.

    Well said, Jimmy.

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  37. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    “A woman may be likened to a sheep a cow or a camel…for all are ridden.”

    Good grief, well I never!

    Who’d have thunk eh! :)

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  38. Scott Chris (5,870 comments) says:

    Ephesians 5:22 – 24

    22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
    23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
    24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.

    Colossians 3:18

    18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

    Genesis 3:16

    16. Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

    Numbers 31:17-18

    17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
    18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

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  39. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    My favourite anti-christian rant.

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  40. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Nice one Scotty! :)

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  41. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    LJ

    The things that I lack a full understanding of are indeed great in number, the Quran being only one instance. I do, however, learn from my dealings with people of faith & these same people are given to arbitrarily using quotes from their preferred scriptures to justify whatever argument they are making.

    Although an atheist I was brought up in the NZ of the 50′s & 60′s with all the attendant God bothering then expected of good future citizens. I attended a Christian boarding school for my secondary education where my conversion to atheism was cemented in place. Those long purposeless periods of my life I spent under religious instruction were not totally wasted as I am reasonably fluent in the gobbledegook as written in the Good Book.

    Suffice to say with the Bible, whatever the occasion, for better or for worse, there is a passage to justify any action under the sun. I suspect the Quran is similar. Indeed a cynic could be forgiven for thinking that since these holy books can mean anything they also mean nothing.

    It really boils down to the way man interacts with his/her neighbour which is why although, for instance, I hate all religion I don’t hate all religious people. If, however, I find someone using their interpretation of their religion to oppress or torture anyone I reserve the right to do everything in my ability to degrade that person & his belief.

    As a humanist I can do no less.

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  42. Scott Chris (5,870 comments) says:

    Of course my point is that very few Christians take those verses literally, just as very few Muslims take the bad shit in the Koran literally.

    But hell, if you wanna demonize a culture, it’s A-grade propaganda material which is readily lapped up by many racists among us.

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  43. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Nearing the parish church during his daily walk, a young man saw that some shubbery was on fire. He banged on the rectory door and told the woman who opened it to call the fire department.

    She ran to the phone, and he heard her place the call. She identified herself, gave the location, and explained the situation.

    “You mean to tell me,” said the emergency dispatcher, “that there’s a burning bush on the church lawn, and you want to put it out?”

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  44. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Catholics are against abortions.
    Catholics are against homosexuals.
    But, I can’t think of anyone who has less abortions than homosexuals! — George Carlin

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  45. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Why God never got a PhD
    ———————–

    1. He had only one major publication.
    2. It was written in Aramaic, not in English.
    3. It has no references.
    4. It wasn’t even published in a refereed journal.
    5. There are serious doubts he wrote it himself.
    6. It may be true that he created the world, but what has he done since
    then?
    7. His cooperative efforts have been quite limited.
    8. The Scientific community has had a hard time replicating his results.
    9. He unlawfully performed not only Animal, but *Human* testing.
    10. When one experiment went awry, he tried to cover it by drowning his
    subjects.
    11. When subjects didn’t behave as predicted, he deleted them from
    the sample.
    12. He rarely came to class, just told his students to read the book.
    13. Some say he had his son to teach the class.
    14. He expelled his first two students for learning.
    15. Although there were only 10 requirements, most of his students
    failed his tests.
    16. His office hours were infrequent and usually held on a mountain top.

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  46. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Taoism
    Shit happens.
    Buddhism
    If shit happens, it’s not really shit.
    Islam
    If shit happens, it’s the will of Allah.
    Protestantism
    Shit happens because you don’t work hard enough.
    Judaism
    Why does this shit always happen to us?
    Hinduism
    This shit happened before.
    Catholicism
    Shit happens because you’re bad.
    Hare Krishna
    Shit happens rama rama.
    T.V. Evangelism
    Send more shit.
    Atheism
    No shit.
    Jehova’s Witness
    Knock knock, shit happens.
    Hedonism
    There’s nothing like a good shit happening.
    Christian Science
    Shit happens in your mind.
    Agnosticism
    Maybe shit happens, maybe it doesn’t.
    Rastafarianism
    Let’s smoke this shit.
    Existentialism
    What is shit anyway?
    Stoicism
    This shit doesn’t bother me.

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  47. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    An interesting read.

    http://www.aei.org/outlook/foreign-and-defense-policy/defense/nearing-coffin-corner-us-air-power-on-the-edge/

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  48. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    A priest walks down the street, and sees a boy with some newborn kittens.

    ‘What type of kittens are they?’ he queries.

    ‘ They’re Catholic kittens’, the boy replies.

    The priest smiles and walks away. A couple of weeks later, he sees the little boy again and asks, ‘How are those Catholic kittens doing?’

    ‘Oh, they aren’t Catholic kittens any more’, he replies sweetly.

    Shocked, the priest exclaims, ‘What?! Why not?’

    ‘ Well’, the boy says, ‘they’ve opened their eyes, so now they’re atheists.’

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  49. Pete George (22,734 comments) says:

    Some good advice from Raybon Kan:

    Give Way unto others as you would have others Give Way unto you.

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  50. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Anyone been for a drive today?

    Is it chaos?

    Me. I’m staying off the roads till tomorrow. :)

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  51. Fletch (5,994 comments) says:

    Saw a bit of Q+A with Holmes on TV One this morning. It was about the Urewera stuff. No one official would talk to him from the Govt or Police etc, so he decided to interview the Police Minister at the time Annette King.

    I turned it off after about 10 minutes – as you can guess, no criticism at all of the guys running through the bush; no, he saved that for the “ninja turtle” Police (he called them that regularly during the piece). All he seemed to want to know from King is when did they know this was going to happen, etc, who authorized it. Fair enough questions I guess, but as i said, it was all heaping shit on the Police for terrorizing Tuhoe wearing their “ninja” or “ninja turtle” outfits, and asking if King was “as shocked as most New Zealanders” to see the Police acting like this.

    FFS, I bet “most New Zealanders” were most shocked by the fact that these guys were doing terrorist training in the bush. When you have people txting each other saying they have the Al Qaeda manual and mentioning how good it is, and “taking the white man out” etc, they’re not playing around.

    As I said, I only watched 10 minutes, so I can’t give a review of the whole programme. I’m wondering if he gave any criticism at all to Iti and his crowd.

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  52. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Can you really see a little sawn off runt like Iti, his fararse mate Kemana, and a collection of losers like Morse etc. being much of a revolutionary army Fletch?

    Just posers and wankers.

    The cops made utter fools of themselves.

    All they have to do is use their powers under the arms act to permanently remove any possibility of a firearms licence from these jerks in perpetuity and if they ever catch them again touching one throw the bloody book at them.

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  53. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Now, there we have a fukken drong like Leaping Jimmy @ 1.42 putting forward …..some thing…. what the fuck it is , you may ask.
    To quote LJ

    “All I am saying is Nasska, I dont know if the Qu,ran is like the Bible for I haven’t read it. But I would be surprised if……………”

    This is why i say to Leaping Jimmy, “fuck off Leaping Jimmy, you know you will feel better if you do.”

    Your apology, is not accepted Leaping Jimmy, you drongo.

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  54. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Stop picking on crippled blokes Beryl! :)

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  55. Leaping Jimmy (15,912 comments) says:

    A bit of Sunday cognitive dissonance – another black diamond* level for those getting bored with the simple straight-forward stuff like I posted yesterday.

    * = Significant discernment required, otherwise you just won’t get it at all and you’ll probably just go off on some fantasy tangent somewhere toward the end of the first part and get all confused as to what its really all about, but all I can suggest is don’t say I didn’t warn you and try not to be so adventurous next time.

    http://intheknow7.wordpress.com/2010/03/12/mr-president-whos-team-are-you-on-who-are-your-masters/

    And for those interested in China high level:
    http://english.ntdtv.com/ntdtv_en/news_china/2012-03-23/as-chinese-factions-struggle-has-next-leader-xi-chosen-sides-.html

    Xi has already made statements published in Party outlets that have seemed to support, and show foreknowledge of the ouster, which seems to indicate that he has already chosen the side of Hu and Wen. Some say that, along with those two, Xi could now be a target for a counter-attack by Jiang’s leftist hardliner faction. Security head Zhou Yongkang is seen as the potential leader of any such move.

    [Chen Pokong, Political Analyst]: “Whether or not Hu and Wen will act again depends on Zhou Yongkang. Now Zhou is in charge of public security, national security, police, and plainclothes special agents. The budget he holds for ‘maintaining stability in China’ is even more than the military budget. If Zhou fights back, it will be very dangerous for Hu and Wen.

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  56. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    i had a clue to the answer to my own question earlier as to why muslim males like to gang rape a female
    family member who they feel has dishonoured them before they murder her. It’s just their culture.
    It’s just the way they are.

    i wont link to it because it’s too horrible, but you can find it on Utube.

    The mindset is kinda similar as to, when you are getting your hand cut off under sharia law, the executioner
    starts with the end of your finger ,first chop, then half way up your palm,second chop, then a little bit higher, then just above your wrist.

    i wish the apologists for islam would watch those videos.

    It’s because these shit heads love it.

    It’s what the prophet decreed. (praise be to him )

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  57. Leaping Jimmy (15,912 comments) says:

    Can you really see a little sawn off runt like Iti, his fararse mate Kemana, and a collection of losers like Morse etc. being much of a revolutionary army Fletch?

    Just posers and wankers.

    The cops made utter fools of themselves.

    Johnboy the point is the cops had to take it seriously. This is what security is all about. They had no choice. They could not ignore it. And once you decide that it cannot be ignored, you are then faced with the question of: if we’re going to do something about it, let’s not go about it in a half-arsed kind of way, which is why they took it all very seriously indeed.

    The media is so fucking naive I cannot fucking believe they have taken the angle they have. What the fuck is wrong with their heads that they cannot understand the least little thing about what a security threat this actually is and was. What don’t they understand about the fact that if the cops ignored it and Iti etc did blow up a car and killed some people, as they were claiming was their objective, then what would the media have said then.

    Honestly I don’t get why any thinking person at all in this country doesn’t get this, it’s not fucking rocket science FFS and the fact it’s all turned to shit says more about Hulun’s useless legislation than it does about any incompetence in the conduct of the authorities. It was and is Hulun’s fault, period. If that useless bitch can’t write legislation that allows the state to prosecute conduct of the kind that Iti et al was engaged in, then what fucking good is she to anyone, man or beast? [Don't answer.]

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  58. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    I don’t disagree with you Jimmy (and anything the dreadful Helen touched/looked at tended to turn to stone)! :)

    However, I feel the Police made utter prats of themselves and played into the hands of the dreadful losers that represent Tuhoe, by all that swooping in the dead of night dressed like the DGSE stuff.

    A much lower profile operation using the draconian powers of the arms act would probably have sufficed and not given the disaffected natives another platform to pose on.

    Are you crippled by the way? :)

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  59. Leaping Jimmy (15,912 comments) says:

    Your apology, is not accepted Leaping Jimmy, you drongo.

    What apology Beryl? What the fuck are you on about, you deluded halfwit? Can’t you even fucking read? Is that your problem?

    That was philu’s and Penny’s problem as well, those two can’t seem to recognise the difference between someone making an actual comment vs someone saying something they thought they said.

    Now this, while annoying, is at least understandable in conversation, where there is no written record, but where there is a written record, it’s hard to understand why it ever happens and when it does happen one normally consigns the mistaken party to the dustbin of terminal stupidity from whence hopefully they’ll never emerge, since they do nothing in terms of value-add and everything to the contrary.

    You’re in danger of such a fate Beryl. The reason is. Yes, I did use the words in my 1:42, which means that if you were a stupid computer capable only of processing 1′s and 0′s and everything was black and white then technically you’re correct. But the problem for you is, WE ARE NOT BINARY COMPUTERS WHERE EVERYTHING IS BLACK AND WHITE WE ARE HUMANS CAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING NUANCE AND GRAMMAR AND HUMOUR AND ALL SORTS OF OTHER SHIT AS WELL YOU FUCKING MENTAL.

    And it’s in this “human” context Beryl in which your allegation that I really was apologising makes absolutely and utterly no sense in any way whatsoever, period, over and out, nada, nil, zero, nothing, void, gap, hello, is anyone there.

    So try not to do this again otherwise I really will start treating you like I treat Penny and philu, as complete and utter idiots on every possible level with no redeeming features in any way. If people could be considered millstones, those two are, they do nothing but drag humanity deeper into the abyss. In short, they’re the hairdressers and telephone cleaners of this world Beryl. It’s not that they’re stupid, but it’s that they are obdurate. They and you are clearly all intelligent, but they and possibly you also, are particularly obdurate and it’s that issue, which is the issue.

    OTY really. (BTW, I’m not holding my breath over this. For years we managed to happily co-exist then suddenly a few months ago you got some sort of hard-on over some position I took and ever since you haven’t dropped it. It’s a shame really, since I think it’s probably based on a mis-understanding but frankly, I can’t for the life of me think what it was or is all about. Ah well.)

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  60. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOZWYDXaQLs

    Beryls the one on the left Jimmy! :)

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  61. kowtow (7,581 comments) says:

    Shearer wanted NZ to be more like Finland. Does that mean cuts and austerity if Labour get in?
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-24/euro-leaders-need-to-step-up-austerity-finland-s-pm-says.html

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  62. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    Bereal

    1) I think you’ve come very close to answering your own question. Yes, culture is the reason so many atrocities are committed against their own people by Islamists. Few people brought up in secular societies such as NZ can understand what goes on in the heads of Arabs & Indo-Aryans & given their actions even less want to. As an atheist I instinctively blame their religion & although it is not the only influence Islam has not & will not change with the times.

    Consider the cruelties condoned by the early Christian church with today’s relatively civilised organisation & it is easy to see how far it has adapted itself to today’s society. Islam is caught up in a time warp circa 700AD & espouses the culturals mores of that time.

    This in no way excused the actions of Muslims nor the head in the sand attitude of Muslim leaders.

    2) ‘Leaping Jimmy’ is a committed Christian with some fairly forceful theories about what makes his faith go round. This makes him sympathetic to other faiths & he tends to lose the plot when barbs are being slung by heretics such as myself.

    If you ignore these foibles he makes interesting points on a variety of subjects & IMHO is well worth treating with good humour. The blogosphere would be a boring place if we all thought the same.

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  63. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Ok Leaping Jimmy,
    i referred to your apology at 1.42
    but i do recognise that it was not my call to accept or reject that.

    It has dawned on me that maybe we are both on the same side in general and i have got things wrong.

    i apologise, and hope we can start again from scratch.

    i will bury the hatchet, smoke the peace pipe, suck the kumara. etc.

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  64. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Leaping Jimmy/reid (and your good self of course. :) ) are what makes this place really interesting nasska.

    Tell me, just out of interest you understand, are you interested in V8 circuit racing? :)

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  65. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Well said Beryl! :)

    It takes a BIG BERYL to admit a mistake!! :)

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  66. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    We like you really! :)

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  67. Leaping Jimmy (15,912 comments) says:

    I don’t disagree with you Jimmy (and anything the dreadful Helen touched/looked at tended to turn to stone)!

    She did it on purpose Johnboy, that’s the deeper truth. Nothing she did or has done or will do, is accidental. Apart from getting married. Even she couldn’t tell the future and even she didn’t know that if she’d left it for a few more years it would not have mattered a jot. That’s why she was crying.

    In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.

    FDR.

    However, I feel the Police made utter prats of themselves and played into the hands of the dreadful losers that represent Tuhoe, by all that swooping in the dead of night dressed like the DGSE stuff. A much lower profile operation using the draconian powers of the arms act would probably have sufficed and not given the disaffected natives another platform to pose on.

    Yeah hindsight is a wonderful thing, I imagine the cops probably wish they’d played it differently as well. The thing I truly can’t believe out of all of this, is the mind-boggling stupidity of the wo/man in the street who apparently, laps up the media angle that it was nothing more than an OTT reaction to merely innocent pranks. How fucking stupid are people, not to recognise what it really is and was all about? And as you say, not to recognise the media platform that the disaffected natives play to.

    And these are people who dress themselves and go to work and make decisions on behalf of their employers some of them involving millions of dollars FFS. Some of them are even toilet trained. And yet, they can’t even see straight through this transparent bullshit. WTF is wrong with them? (Rhetorical)

    Are you crippled by the way?

    Only on the inside Johnboy, by my sense of ethics and fair play.

    Thanks for the link BTW, I need some cheering up tonight, most appreciated.

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  68. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    Johnboy

    Counting the bristles on my toothbrush ignites my excitement far better than watching car racing.

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  69. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    I wait with baited breath for every suggestion of a link you intimate Jimmy. :)

    Besides I just love HGTHG!

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  70. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Just probing Jimmy like a good proctologist should.

    .Always here. Indicates lack of mobility.
    .Very knowledgeable. Indicates lots of net surfing.
    .reid. Indicates read, does lots of research.
    .Leaping Jimmy. Indicates frustration with lack of mobility.

    :)

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  71. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    nasska. Rhymes with NASCAR! :)

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  72. Leaping Jimmy (15,912 comments) says:

    Thanks Bereal and I do respect you for this. Not many take the action you have, including me, as often as we should. I look forward to many future discussions with you on all sorts of things. I will in future seek first to better understand your perspective before leaping to conclusions, as has been my wont and my weakness.

    Blessings,
    Reid

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  73. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    In case any of you were thinking of analysing me I am, of course, Johnboy Walton. Sheepherder of Wainuiomata mountain! :)

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  74. Leaping Jimmy (15,912 comments) says:

    I wait with baited breath for every suggestion of a link you intimate Jimmy.

    You want a link?

    I made a post before but it got lost in the ether – never happened before. It included, amongst others, this link here. Naturally I assume you’re all familiar with the underlying concepts contained therein so no further explanation is required.

    http://intheknow7.wordpress.com/2010/03/12/mr-president-whos-team-are-you-on-who-are-your-masters/

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  75. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    Johnboy

    nasska is an acronym of a drinking club I used to belong to many moons ago. A harder group of pissheads I’ve never known.

    The “a” & subsequent “s” stand for anti social……the rest remains under embargo! (to protect the guilty).

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  76. Leaping Jimmy (15,912 comments) says:

    http://intheknow7.wordpress.com/2010/03/12/mr-president-whos-team-are-you-on-who-are-your-masters/

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  77. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    One must always cover ones arse nasska!

    Pity Nick never learned that. The arrogance of power and privilege eh? :)

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  78. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Thank God we can all be mates again.
    i was thinking i would have to kill off bereal and get a new email address and change my name to bebuggered.
    Aroha to all.

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  79. Leaping Jimmy (15,912 comments) says:

    I’ve tried 3 times to post a link here, and 3 times its disappeared into the ether. The 3rd time I posted it, I made a test comment, then edited it, and pasted the link into the edit window. WordPress then gave me a message saying it thought the link was spam.

    The link is to another wordpress blog which may be why the spam warning is coming up – I don’t really know – however I’ll try a few variations to get this up – it’s just a Sunday arvo topic of possible interest with a lot of potential alternative perspectives:

    [http://intheknow7.wordpress.com/2010/03/12/mr-president-whos-team-are-you-on-who-are-your-masters/]

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  80. Leaping Jimmy (15,912 comments) says:

    I’ve tried 3 times to post a link here, and 3 times its disappeared into the ether. The 3rd time I posted it, I made a test comment, then edited it, and pasted the link into the edit window. WordPress then gave me a message saying it thought the link was spam.

    The link is to another wordpress blog which may be why the spam warning is coming up – I don’t really know – however I’ll try a few variations to get this up – it’s just a Sunday arvo topic of possible interest with a lot of potential alternative perspectives:

    [http://intheknow7./2010/03/12/mr-president-whos-team-are-you-on-who-are-your-masters/]

    OK thank fuck it’s worked. Now you’ll have to modify this link. Just insert the words “wordpress.com” after the intheknow7. and before the slash and you’ll get it.

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  81. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    I think we three, sorry, four, brothers should get together. (wish I could work out that crossing out shit LJ). :)

    If your keen, PG knows who I really am and him being an honorable man I would trust as our contact person.

    What say you three, other Musketeers? :)

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  82. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    It will have to be after the roar though as I have a chopper waiting! :)

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  83. Scott Chris (5,870 comments) says:

    Yes, culture is the reason so many atrocities are committed against their own people by Islamists.

    I disagree entirely. A culture no matter what its tenets is fluid and non absolute so how it manifests itself depends on the conditions it is subjected to. Ultimately how the West deals with Muslim theocrats and despots will determine the best possible outcome for them and in turn, us. It’s not a question of fairness, it’s a question of who has the power to make positive change. They don’t. We do.

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  84. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Some really big words and fine logic in you’re response Scotty.

    Did you think of it all by yourself?

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  85. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    Scott Chris

    A culture is only as fluid as it a) wishes to be, eg NZ or b) as it allowed to be eg Pakistan. In the case of the latter “Muslim theocrats & despots are the ones oppressing their people & they continue flat out to do so even when the people emigrate. Regardless of how you spin the problem Islamic leaders don’t want our ideals, friendship nor values & they are in a position to ensure that their people toe the company line.

    Even if we were in a position to change things for the better, which we’re not, why bother? If they wish to live like like rock apes let them get on with it as long as they do it in their own countries.

    If we could get our venal, meddling leaders to stop interfering in the Middle East & leave the no hopers to fester we’d have safer & better lives.

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  86. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Sounds like you are also suggesting a new domestic policy re: no hopers nasska! :)

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  87. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    Johnboy

    We can but dream!

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  88. Leaping Jimmy (15,912 comments) says:

    Johnboy yes would like to but can we do so in a few weeks or month or so. Just have something happening here in Eastbourne I need to get clarity on which is taking up a lot of my focus.

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  89. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Johnboy (7,126) Says:
    March 25th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Can you really see a little sawn off runt like Iti, his fararse mate Kemana, and a collection of losers like Morse etc. being much of a revolutionary army Fletch?

    Just posers and wankers.

    The cops made utter fools of themselves.

    All they have to do is use their powers under the arms act to permanently remove any possibility of a firearms licence from these jerks in perpetuity and if they ever catch them again touching one throw the bloody book at them.

    Sorry johnboy
    but the cops lost that argument in court a couple of weeks ago. Think I poosted it last sunday. Judge reinterpreted the law for them and told the cops they had been doing it wrong for years. A gun collector has his weapons stolen from him by the cops and took them to court. He won. good job. :cool:

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  90. SGA (800 comments) says:

    @nasska – “If we could get our venal, meddling leaders to stop interfering in the Middle East & leave the no hopers to fester we’d have safer & better lives.”

    While there is still all that oil in the ground (with the politics and policies surrounding Israel as a side dish), I can’t see that happening anytime soon.

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  91. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    SGA

    I fear you’re correct. The only hope is that because the USA has discovered a means of exploiting their shale oil the pressure is off them to secure external supplies. Without USA backing I doubt that any of the other players would have the stomach to escalate war in the Middle East.

    But it’s not just national interests…….in the West big business calls the shots & so long as there’s a dollar to be made the pressure will stay for the status quo. And then as you point out…..Israel.

    No immediate need for white doves or olive branches that I can see.

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  92. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    Little Johnny has just been toilet trained and decides to use the big
    toilet like his daddy. He pushes up the seat and balances his little
    penis on the rim. Just then the toilet seat slams down, and little
    Johnny lets out a scream.

    His mother comes running to find Johnny hopping round the
    room clutching his genitals and howling. He looks up at her
    with his little tear stained face and sniffles…
    “K-k-k-k-kiss {sniff} it better.”

    Little Johnny’s mother looks at him and says,
    “Don’t you start your father’s shit with me.” !

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  93. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Scott Chris
    Islam is NOT a culture..It is also NOT a race ; therefore anyone who opposes it cannot possibly be considered racist..People who use this word in this way are very lazy and casual about the meaning of words..but then it is people like you who seek to demonize people..you stand on your soap box judging others at the same time as not seeing you are doing exactly what you accuse others of.
    If you really were a woman , perhaps you would have more realistic attitude to islam..You may not mind seeing all women and girls enslaved in a seventh century madness but some of us do mind.

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  94. Other_Andy (2,262 comments) says:

    @SGA

    We don’t need oil from the Middle East.

    Europe (Russia, Norway and the UK) has enough for its own consumption.

    Even the US has more than enough for its own consumption.

    The Americas, Not the Middle East, Will Be the World Capital of Energy
    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/08/15/the_americas_not_the_middle_east_will_be_the_world_capital_of_energy
    Republicans to Obama: The Whole Country Can be Rich
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/09/republicans_to_obama_the_whole_country_can_be_rich.html

    And New Zealand?

    Australia-New Zealand has the fifth largest reserves of fossil fuel in the world with (approximately) 314.6 Billions of Barrels of Oil Equivalent.
    This includes oil, gas, coal and coal deposits like lignite and shale.
    Australia-New Zealand’s fossil fuel reserves are greater than Saudi Arabia.
    http://blackjackoak.wordpress.com/2011/04/07/which-country-has-the-most-fossil-fuel/

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  95. Griff (6,700 comments) says:

    The coal is New Zealands energy source for the future as long as we do not allow the greens to lock it away forever
    as the price of oil rises there will be a point that allows its conversion to fuel both in economic and environmental terms
    We hopefully will not squander the resource like we did with maui gas.
    there is so much ability to cut domestic energy use for little real cost and as the price of energy increases there will be more motivation to do so
    led lighting and more efficient refrigeration are two obvious technologies waiting for price effectiveness to become apparent

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  96. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Now joana

    far be it from me to offer any advice to a level headed person such as yourself.
    However.
    Why would you want to knock yourself out trying to educate a nonce dropkick like Scott Chris, who refuses
    to be educated ?
    in fact a nonce like scotty gets a hardon being obtuse. Thats all he has.
    He learned that at his mothers knee. (that is all the poor sod learned. Pity his father had no influence.)
    You have done your best. BUT. Give up with this drong.

    That is all he knows. He can’t help himself, the poor sod.

    Just leave him to wallow in his ignorance.

    Then he will be happy.

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  97. SGA (800 comments) says:

    @Other_Andy. That may all very well be true – but for as long as the economic and/or political incentives exist that keeps the West valuing Middle East oil as much as it does, my point is valid. We will keep on interfering in the Middle East (as we have, for various reasons, for decades)

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  98. minto57 (197 comments) says:

    “When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.”
    Especially in the woods.

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  99. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    bereal

    A lot of food for thought on the linked site. Opinion but based with facts.

    If nothing else check the 4 March posting.

    http://plancksconstant.org/

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  100. Steve (4,490 comments) says:

    This morning at 6am I nearly turned left and gave way to the right.
    It will never happen again

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  101. Other_Andy (2,262 comments) says:

    @Griff

    Thermal energy is one of the other energy sources New Zealand has in abundance.
    There are more than a hundred thermal hotspots in the North Island alone, Waiwera, Parakai Ngawha Springs, Tairua, Miranda, Kawhia et. Etc.
    Clean, renewable and inexhaustible….
    That leaves oil, coal (CTL) and gas (GTL) for transport.

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  102. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Thanks for that nasska.
    Apply the same math to our country.

    1960 no muslims

    2000 1% muslims (over 45,000 of them in the census)

    I am old enough to remember when our local dairy and gas station was run by a mom and pop local.

    Now,,, every dairy, every gas station, every hardware store………..every taxi…….

    and some shitheads still think that sharia law and radical islam can never gain a purchase in New Zealand.

    i just thank sweet Jesus that i will have passed on before the inevitable happens.

    But, We still have a last chance to wake up and save ourselves.
    It’s now a very long shot.
    We need a’ Daniel,come to Justice ‘ to wake up the masses.
    i fear that even should he come it will be too late now. We have our very own ignorant fifth colunn
    like muken mild and scott chris.

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  103. Griff (6,700 comments) says:

    The more options we have the more reliable the energy supply.

    The possibility of creating a significant generation capacity closer to Auckland is a logical step forward as you state Miranda Waiwera, Parakai are all close options for geothermal.there is also the wind resources available on Aucklands west coast. When there was a large wined farm proposed on the southside of the manukau harbor it was stopped mostly by a local who was afraid it would scare the horses.To stop development for such an inane reason amazes and horrifies me.
    There is also the interesting fact that the east coast and west coast Auckland tides are out of sinc by about four hours this would allow tidal production in Auckland You could use otara lagoon as a reservoir and the tides as the energy source and have a continuous tidal generating capacity. Of course the maori would not allow us to mix the water from the harbors .
    I know its unpopular with the rest of the country but Auckland is so significant for our economy it should be recognized as the power house of New Zealand that it is

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  104. Other_Andy (2,262 comments) says:

    @Griff
    Using windmills is about the worst technology, economically and environmentally, to use for energy generation. They are expensive, they wreck the landscape, building them causes environmental damage (Rare Earth metals and concrete, access roads, transmission lines), they kill birds and bats and they drive people (and animals) who live close to them crazy. They also need conventional back-up for when the wind doesn’t blow or blows too hard.

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  105. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Regarding windmills.
    What ever the down side may be .
    We must never loose sight of how grouse it makes our green friends feel when they see
    the landscape blotted.
    It must be worth plenty when it makes them feel sooooooooooooooooo good.
    Think of all the oil it is saving.
    Surely that has to count for plenty,

    Shit. how does it matter whether they work or not.
    Just feel good baby.

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  106. Pete George (22,734 comments) says:

    I am old enough to remember when our local dairy and gas station was run by a mom and pop local.

    I’m getting old but I can still remember who served me today, I think mum and dad local were out the back because I think it was daughter local who served me, didn’t look ME, more asian but her accent was as Kiwi as.

    BTW, “mom and pop” is not local vernacular, where are you from?

    and some shitheads still think that sharia law and radical islam can never gain a purchase in New Zealand.

    I don’t see why it should, I don’t see any real sign of it happening and there’s no reason for it to happen here. There’s a lot more important things to worry about. We might all be Ratanised. Or Tamakised, that’s grown faster and they’ve already tried to do politics.

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  107. Nostalgia-NZ (4,897 comments) says:

    Not regarding windmills.
    Heard of any anticipated invasions later bereal?
    Weren’t we expecting one early last century?
    What about a trogan horse with some of your favourite people inside
    for example. You could talk that one up.

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  108. Other_Andy (2,262 comments) says:

    @Pete George

    “I don’t see why it should, I don’t see any real sign of it happening and there’s no reason for it to happen here.”

    Maybe you should have a look at what is happening all over Europe and in Australia.
    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2367/european-muslim-no-go-zones
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/how-i-lost-faith-in-multiculturalism/story-fn59niix-1226031793805
    Of course it won’t happen in New Zealand.
    And you base that assumption on…what exactly?

    The pressure is on
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/6406555/Collins-dismisses-call-to-establish-Islamic-tourism

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  109. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Poor old Pete George @ 9.48

    ” I don’t see why it should, I don’t see any real sign of it happening and there’s no reason for it to happen here.”

    Who gives a fuck about whether you see it happening here or not noddy.
    Just answer this.
    Why do you think that New Zealand will be the only country on earth where it will NOT happen ?
    There is nothing more important to worry about, and guess what.
    Your mokupuna will agree with me one day and hold you in contempt. If you disagree, then you must have a reply.

    That is the question Noddy.

    What is your answer ?

    i’m asking you , Pete George.
    Why will we be different ?

    Also, Nostalgia-NZ…. duh ! WTF ?

    But more importantly, why will New Zealand be different Pete George ?

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  110. Griff (6,700 comments) says:

    I am well aware with the down sides of wind I live with a wind/solar system for domestic energy. The lifespan of the smaller generating wind units I am using seems to be about ten years with 0 maintenance This is hanging of the back of a boat and running 24/7 I would expect to get significantly more life out of an industrial unit. I only replaced my last unit when it was ten years old because the cost of repairing it was about half the cost of replacing it with an updated unit.The machine sits about 4 m from my sleeping cabin and the noise and vibration are insignificant I have seen a sea gull hit one at full speed preety messy.Wind is closer to economic here then in most continental countries.We have had major problems in the past with hydro running out of water Most who post on here will remember the crisis that the oil shocks caused NZ in the early seventy’s Having a distributed and varied energy generating capacity would leave us less vulnerable in the event of these sorts of situations.
    I am not suggesting subsidized wind generation.There does seem to be an interest in some wind capacity from the commercial sector
    There is also an opportunity to encourage distributed solar generation if there is a reasonable price for grid tie generated alternative energy.The cost of solar has fallen significantly in the last five years and there are lots of idiot middle class greenies that we could rip off for cheap generating capacity. This would be a better idea than entrenching the treaty when we sell the generating companies.The maori could not complain if this was marketed well and would also be acceptable to the greenish

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  111. Nostalgia-NZ (4,897 comments) says:

    okay bereal I never seriously expected you
    to go for the trojan horse one again.
    So how about an invasion of chocolate fish?

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  112. Other_Andy (2,262 comments) says:

    @Pete

    You should read this Pete.

    How I lost faith in multiculturalism
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/how-i-lost-faith-in-multiculturalism/story-fn59niix-1226031793805

    Then visit Lakemba in Sydney and have a look for yourself.
    And if you want to see what Leakemba will look like in 10-20 years time visit some of the muslim enclaves in London, Rotterdam Berlin, Oslo, Paris, Marseille….
    I have been in some of them. Have you?

    You’ll find that the real world is ‘slightly’ different when not viewed through rose tinted glasses in an armchair at home in ‘good old’ New Zealand.

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  113. Pete George (22,734 comments) says:

    bereal, our laws are changed via our Parliament by majority vote, I’m not aware of anything in the pipeline there.

    There are many other more important things. Like actual things.
    More jobs would make a big difference.
    Less people smoking themselves to poor health and death would make a difference.
    Less violence that ruins kids whole lives, maims and kills would make a big difference.
    Less obesity would improve and extend a lot of lives.

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  114. Nostalgia-NZ (4,897 comments) says:

    Other_Andy

    I’ve read a couple of your links but they’re hardly persuasive toward your predictions of non-military invasions, or certainly not proof of the same. They rely on a the principle of something slowly happening to which resistance is impossible. I think I prefer the ‘fear’ of actual military invasions rather than ones warning everyone to look under their beds for what will happen in the future. I see what you ‘report’ will happen in the future, but I don’t see the actuality of it nor the idea that kiwis are blind to the world they live in or unable to determine their own will. Apart from that, I go along with everything you say.

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  115. Other_Andy (2,262 comments) says:

    @N-NZ

    “…but I don’t see the actuality of it nor the idea that kiwis are blind to the world they live in or unable to determine their own will. ”

    You not seeing the actuallity of it doesn’t mean it isn’t happening.
    Most Europeans didn’t see it coming and now wished they had seen it.
    Too late….
    I have seen it happening and I don’t want New Zealand to end up like that.
    Again, the article in the Australian might change your mind.
    It is a dicussion we are still allowed to have in Australia and New Zealand.
    In Europe you do not always have that freedom anymore.

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  116. Fletch (5,994 comments) says:

    re: Windmills: in China where they make the magnets for these windmills, the countrysides are being transformed into lakes of poison – the byproduct of making them.

    The reality is that, as Britain flaunts its environmental credentials by speckling its coastlines and unspoiled moors and mountains with thousands of wind turbines, it is contributing to a vast man-made lake of poison in northern China. This is the deadly and sinister side of the massively profitable rare-earths industry that the ‘green’ companies profiting from the demand for wind turbines would prefer you knew nothing about.

    Hidden out of sight behind smoke-shrouded factory complexes in the city of Baotou, and patrolled by platoons of security guards, lies a five-mile wide ‘tailing’ lake. It has killed farmland for miles around, made thousands of people ill and put one of China’s key waterways in jeopardy.

    This vast, hissing cauldron of chemicals is the dumping ground for seven million tons a year of mined rare earth after it has been doused in acid and chemicals and processed through red-hot furnaces to extract its components.

    Rusting pipelines meander for miles from factories processing rare earths in Baotou out to the man-made lake where, mixed with water, the foul-smelling radioactive waste from this industrial process is pumped day after day. No signposts and no paved roads lead here, and as we approach security guards shoo us away and tail us. When we finally break through the cordon and climb sand dunes to reach its brim, an apocalyptic sight greets us: a giant, secret toxic dump, made bigger by every wind turbine we build.

    The lake instantly assaults your senses. Stand on the black crust for just seconds and your eyes water and a powerful, acrid stench fills your lungs.

    For hours after our visit, my stomach lurched and my head throbbed. We were there for only one hour, but those who live in Mr Yan’s village of Dalahai, and other villages around, breathe in the same poison every day.

    Retired farmer Su Bairen, 69, who led us to the lake, says it was initially a novelty – a multi-coloured pond set in farmland as early rare earth factories run by the state-owned Baogang group of companies began work in the Sixties.

    ‘At first it was just a hole in the ground,’ he says. ‘When it dried in the winter and summer, it turned into a black crust and children would play on it. Then one or two of them fell through and drowned in the sludge below. Since then, children have stayed away.’

    As more factories sprang up, the banks grew higher, the lake grew larger and the stench and fumes grew more overwhelming.

    ‘It turned into a mountain that towered over us,’ says Mr Su. ‘Anything we planted just withered, then our animals started to sicken and die.’

    People too began to suffer. Dalahai villagers say their teeth began to fall out, their hair turned white at unusually young ages, and they suffered from severe skin and respiratory diseases. Children were born with soft bones and cancer rates rocketed.

    Official studies carried out five years ago in Dalahai village confirmed there were unusually high rates of cancer along with high rates of osteoporosis and skin and respiratory diseases. The lake’s radiation levels are ten times higher than in the surrounding countryside, the studies found.

    Since then, maybe because of pressure from the companies operating around the lake, which pump out waste 24 hours a day, the results of ongoing radiation and toxicity tests carried out on the lake have been kept secret and officials have refused to publicly acknowledge health risks to nearby villages.

    MORE – http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1350811/In-China-true-cost-Britains-clean-green-wind-power-experiment-Pollution-disastrous-scale.html

    So yeh greenies, when you see windmills like this and congratulate yourselves, think of the lakes of poison on the landscape and people getting ill and dying to help make the windmills. And this is environmentalism at work? Pfft, progress…

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  117. labours a joke (442 comments) says:

    “The Office of Ethnic Affairs, which costs $6 million a year to run, urged the new minister to raise awareness of halal tourism as an “emerging opportunity”. It defines halal tourism as incorporating activities and services that are in keeping with Islamic law.

    Countries such as Malaysia and Turkey encouraged it by offering separate beaches, swimming pools and spas, separate aircraft seating for men and women, hotels free of alcohol, gambling and pork, and halal food and a Koran in aircraft seat pockets.”

    Piss off. Close this pathetic govt dept. Separate beaches , swimming pools etc..why do we even bother to entertain the idea? If you dont like the way NZ is Mr Muslim…dont come here.

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  118. eszett (2,331 comments) says:

    So yeh greenies, when you see windmills like this and congratulate yourselves, think of the lakes of poison on the landscape and people getting ill and dying to help make the windmills. And this is environmentalism at work? Pfft, progress…

    lol, Fletch, I think you may want to expand your reading library a wee bit. It helps you expand your mind a bit, and if there is something in dire need of expanding,your mind is certainly right up there.

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2010/09/rare-earth_metals

    With worldwide demand for rare-earth metals amounting to 134,000 tons last year, and only 124,000 tons being produced, the difference has had to be made up from dwindling stockpiles. By 2012, demand is expected to reach 180,000 tons, which could exhaust the world’s remaining inventory. The result has been panic throughout industrial countries.

    What makes the rare earths so special is the way they can react with other elements to get results that neither could achieve alone. They are used, a pinch here and a pinch there, to make powerful permanent magnets for lightweight electric motors, phosphors for colour television and flat-panel displays, catalysts for cars and chemical refineries, rechargeable batteries for hybrid and electric cars, generators for wind turbines, as well as numerous optical, medical and military devices. To give just one example, every Toyota Prius has over 25 pounds of lanthanum in its nickel-metal hydride battery.

    A misnomer if ever there was one, the rare earths may be strategic and in short supply but they are certainly not rare. Some are as abundant in the earth’s crust as nickel, copper, zinc or lead. Even the two rarest (thulium and lutetium) are around 200 times more common than gold. Minerals containing rare-earth elements are to be found all over the world, especially where iron deposits paint the landscape as red as northern Arizona. The largest source today is a by-product of China’s huge iron-ore mining operations in Inner Mongolia.

    The problem is that, though widely dispersed, the rare-earth elements occur in extremely low concentrations. Only a handful or so places exist—in Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, India, South Africa and the United States—where deposits have been found rich enough to justify mining them. Even then, abundance in their host minerals is usually measured in concentrations of a percent or two.

    There is a huge problem looming around these rare earth metals and it’s certainly not just driven by windmills and Priuses. It’s nearly in everything we use every day. It is used in every generator, regardless it’s coal, gas, nuclear, hydro or wind.

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  119. Twinkletoes (52 comments) says:

    I would be extremely surprised if Sharia law was not being practiced in NZ since the first wave of muslim immigration. As long as both parties agree to abide by the decisions of the imams or mullahs there is no reason to think that the muslim residents are not using Sharia for civil cases where women are pressured to abide by the rules of their culture instead of using the fairer legal NZ system.

    This, as in UK, is the first step to demanding their own courts – over there they used the small claims court system to bypass British jurisdiction and when it came to light the Labour Government bowed down and legalised Sharia Courts. There are now over one hundred Sharia courts which in many cases flagrantly flout the extent of their mandate. In one case where one Somali male stabbed another Somali male the Sharia court ruled that the perpetrator was free to go upon payment of 10,000 sterling to the defendant. The money was duly paid.

    So somewhere in UK walking free to strike again is a dangerous man who should have been prosectuted for GBH. No criminal record, so unknown to the police and absent from the UK criminal data base. Wonderful!

    There is no reason to think that this is not happening on the quiet in every western country muslims have settled in – now they have extracted this first small but very important concession in UK they will demand all Western countries provide the same, citing UK as the ultimate bastion of civilisation (when it suits them)!

    And, in special circumstances they are legally allowed to practice polygamy – each wife entitled to subsidised accomodation and welfare benefits.

    This is what happens when Labour Govts., become desparate for votes to keep themselves in power. Traitors selling out their own citizens. And just look at what is happening, muslim gangs pimping out British schoolgirls to their mates, paedophlia gangs, Muslim police/ socialworkers telling the families of where their muslim wives/daughters have run to for safe havens to escape forced marriages and abuse.

    As Aisha, Mohammed’s youngest wife said “There is no one who suffers as much as a muslim women”. Well, now it is the non muslim women as well, and don’t start me on Oslo/Malmo rape situation where virtually all rapes are muslim on non-muslim (male and female) – hundreds per annum.

    They do not immigrate to integrate – they imigrate only to dominate. They began as a parastic ideology and judging by how many are on welfare in UK they are continuing their quest very successfully.

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  120. Nostalgia-NZ (4,897 comments) says:

    Other_Andy
    11.14

    You are right it is a discussion that we are ‘allowed’ (entitled) to have.
    And it is important that we clearly understand it as time progresses.

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  121. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Pete George , labours ajoke etc.
    Several years ago I saw a proposal for a multicultural Act with a big write up by some new arrival at CHCH polytech. No doubt this Act is still simmering in the background somewhere..Every time cuts have been announced , I have questioned the need for Ethnic Affairs..What a disgrace Wong was .
    Pete ,
    Have you traveled to the places Other Andy mentioned?
    Thanks Bereal.

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  122. Fletch (5,994 comments) says:

    eszett, I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make with your quote?

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