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It says – Foreign Affairs Minister Murray McCully has acknowledged $9.2 million is a “significant amount” for his ministry to spend on a razor gang to save money, but says the Government is trying to strike a balance.
McCully yesterday told Parliament the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade (MFAT) had 30 people working in its “change programme office”, including consultants and permanent staff, and was contracting services from a range of external consultancy firms, at a cost of $9.2 million in the current year.
$ 9.5m for consultants, with the aim to trim $25 million a year from MFAT’s budget.
So won’t they now need to trim $ 34.5m to save the original $ 25m or does the expense of consultants come from some other budget? And this amount will not yet include redundancy, nor any repatriation expenses for sacked staff?
However –
Restructuring a ministry which had a budget of $400m and operated in 50 countries was a difficult task, but the ministry had already shaved $135m a year out of the budget it inherited from the previous Labour government, he said.
Is the budget now of $ 400m plus or minus that $ 135m already, and how long has the consultant razor gang been employed so far?
Why don’t journalists get some one else in the office to read stuff [sic] before it is printed to see if it really does answer questions, not just raise more?
National is facing major internal problems. Nick Smith is already a casualty. The Labour hit squad thought it could sink Judith Collins but may have guessed too much there, overplaying a very weak hand.
The `claims support’ or `advisory team’ list of 28 is bizarre, seems like a gross overplay of name dropping.
A non-MP is the common demoninator in the shaky Key ship.
The plea ends a six-week trial over whether David Stone and Josh Stone – and five other Hutaree militia members – were plotting against the government.
They were arrested in 2010 as a result of an undercover federal operation.
Since their arrest in 2010, David Stone, 51, and Josh Stone, 23, have been held without bail.
During the trial, the court heard recordings of conversations in which the leader of the militia discussed building bombs and killing policemen.
But the judge said there was not enough evidence of a specific plan. No attack ever took place.
“What the government has shown, instead of a concrete agreement and plan to forcibly oppose the authority of the government, is that most – if not all – of these defendants held strong anti-government sentiments,” Judge Victoria Roberts wrote.
“But the court must not guess about what defendants intended to do with their animosity.”
@ Pete
Part of the problem here is that the NZ media is junior, immature, and has too few outlets. So in other jurisdictions a journalist would say “piss off trevor, you’re full of it, this is clearly an over-reached name drop”. But in NZ it’s all hoovered up.
Viking2
I have heard the same rumours..that Key won’t last the three years and that there will be a snap election.
It was funny last night to hear on parliamentary TV, a list of opinions of Collins read out..It was what Bill English said about her about 8 years ago..Everyone laughed including English himself , who of course had to say he had changed his mind since then.
Yvette
It seems that they haven’t done their job, but I suspect the elaks that are coming from all sides aren’t helping.
Murray McCully should front up and apologise for making out the Cost of Living allowances were a rort on taxpayers.
Really $154pa for a maintenance man in Moscow, who else is going to do the job, a front company for the KGB?
Easts
Sadly the NZ press are all in a small bowl with the fish they need access to, so the ability to deny access and control is easier for the pollies.
That some of them have been compromised by their need for access becomes clearer sometimes as does their partiality too.
Many more people get the news from the net or check stories they read about elsewhere.
barry – the deterioration to that level personal attacks is very disappointing. That sort of thing is a major reason why many people give politics a wide berth.
The result is a scarcity of top quality candidates and a diminishing voter trinout.
The Pullar story was of mild interest when it broke but it is snowballing each day. I’ve also wondered who actually sent her the ACC files in the first place. Could it be that a national party member with access emailed these to her?
She has done well for herself by having her friends apply political pressures in the right places.
The stench of corruption is billowing into town and maybe more heads are going to roll.l
On Pullar…
Putting aside the extraordinary claims made by Boag in her letter to Sovereign, another Privacy Commission issue now arises: How did the correspondence between Pullar/Boag on the private (NOT ACC) insurance claim become public?
Did ASB (who now own Sovereign) release it?
A forensic exmination of that issue might be interesting, to say the least.
Further, how does a private insurance claim suddenly become part of the ACC saga?
Any individual is entitled to gather “support” for their “cause” on any private issue. Provided the “cause” is within the law, it does not matter from whence that “support” comes.
Sounds like pathetic “reporting” and editorial over-sight.
I wonder how many people think Mike Hosking is the most boring individual to exist? I simply can’t listen to his unimaginative ramblings. This sky city work conflict is about the only interesting thing he has ever done.
Actually, Phil, no-one was trying to get 14m out of ACC and there is no reliable evidence that Key was involved — just a self-serving letter. This is one of the reasons why labour should be kept out of power for some time to come. It engages in personality politics and remains the nasty party.
With all the leftwing handwringing over ‘Fracking’ I was interested to watch O’Bama making a speech on the US Energy crisis last night. He promised to increase Fracking over the next year by at least 100%.
There are still too many unanswered questions..How come he applied for a foreign students allowance when studying in the US then a few years later , he was no longer a foreigner??? Perhaps he should pay this allowance back..
Also healthcare..abortions etc..treating the biggest church in the world as a fringe belief. He has no regard for the US constitution which guarantees freedom of religion.
As interesting as the ACC saga is…the debate on fracking is a typical example of a Greenie beat up based on near total ignorance and misinformation.
Fracking in NZ is done in wells 3000 meters or more deep…thats three kilometres from the surface, or deeper than Mt Egmont (that’s what it’s called in the Naki) is high. While some water wells – not in Taranaki – might go to 600 metres, the vast majority are shallower than 200 metres. While gravity still exerts force on the solids and liquids used in fracking, how the hell can any contamination of strata almost 3 k’s higher – and insulated by literally dozens of layers of sedimentary rock – cause contamination? The answer is quite simply “it can’t”, and what may be done in Texas in old stripper wells 500m deep which might have been drilled 50 or 60 years ago is simply irrelevant.
Phil, what happened here ? – http://whoar.co.nz/ – Bandwidth Limit Exceeded
The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to the site owner reaching his/her bandwidth limit. Please try again later.
@Yvette – I suspect that, as soon as more than seven visitors look at his ‘blog’ over a period of 30 days, it automatically exceeds the monthly band allowance.
Phil
I did not say there was nothing to see. I corrected your false statement that Key helped soak 14m from ACC. He did not. Nor did anyone else. You are the only person I have seen making a statement about Key soaking money from ACC. Get your facts right. I also said there was no reliable evidence of Key’s involvement in any campaign. Produce evidence and I will consider it. Don’t default to the gutter denominator determined by your prejudices.
Has Sovereign indicated at all in the media yet that clients should not be concerned whether their private correspondence with the company may not be too private after all?
And this latest letter is purportedly from Sovereign to Pullar/Boag
So there will be a little time for everyone to deny this and that
and then of course we are likely to get the letter Pullar/Boag to Sovereign
im not convinced many people actually give a shit about this ACC thing.
personally i dont, i cant even be bothered to read more than a headline about it.
quick poll around the office at morning tea.. no one cares.
ill put money on it not causing a “snap” election.
the standard is funny. i went over there this morning, the are banging on about how crushers law suit will cost the tax payer a lot of money. lmao when did they start caring about the tax payer?
As interesting as the ACC saga is…the debate on fracking is a typical example of a Greenie beat up based on near total ignorance and misinformation.
The media lap it up, as per. Everytime report explains this mix of “Water, sand and *gasp* chemicals“…yeah, chemicals, parts per million of stuff also found in shampoo, ice cream…
James: the funniest one is the extreme Greenies living “a chemical free lifestyle”…so no cleaning the toilet, washing the dishes or the clothes, no painting the house or even riding in the train…let alone driving a car…in fact when I was at school, food contained “chemicals” didnt it?
Mind you, perhaps it would be give if the ignorant Luddites DID lead a chemical free lifestyle…
“Something just happened where I was just yearning for a difference in my life; I felt really empty. The drugs weren’t doing it, the alcohol wasn’t doing it; I mean, it would make you feel good for a little while, like peeing your pants on a cold night – it feels good for a little while, but it’s not a long-term solution”
“…Can you tell the difference between Santorum quotes and Megadeth lyrics?
Nope – you probably can’t…
When you consider the contrast between the Christian right and—oh, you know—the satanic symbolism and violent sexuality associated with heavy-metal music – Mustaine’s pseudo-endorsement* might seem born out of a slight cognitive dissonance.
But when you think about it more – is there really anything more metal than a guy who talks obsessively about sex, the devil –
- and the imminent destruction of all that is sacred and holy?
Take our short quiz to find out if you can tell the difference between Rick Santorum quotes and things Dave Mustaine has said and sung.”
(ed:..i got six correct..out of ten:…woo-hoo..!..(clenches fist.. punches air..in suitable heavy-metal styling..)..
@Longknives – don’t be soft. Metallica defined and perfected Thrash with their first four albums and then grew up and progressed. There’s a good reason Mustaine is still ploughing the same rut and hoping to boost his profile with a “Supergroup” reunion with Hetfield and Ulrich…
I hope we get to hear from Rob Campbell on the reason for his resignation, it seems there could be splits of opinion on the board at POAL. If the POAL is found to have acted illegally the chairman and CEO will have to go while Aucklanders will be left to stare at the over $10 million dollar loss.
Carmen Thomas’ killer gets 13 years rather than the 17 plus given for aggravated murder…given my current status, I am not going to comment further….but I hope to hell someone does…
For the first time, this global super-organism, this global intelligence will be able to send a signal, a strong and clear signal to the earth. And what that means in a sense is that we can, we will be a regulating intelligence for the planet, I’m sure, in the future … And lead to a stronger Gaia, if you will, a stronger earth system”. — ABC The Drum
‘Picture an eight-storey building by a beach, then imagine waves lapping its roof,‘
‘This planet, this Gaia, will have acquired a brain and a nervous system. That will make it act as a living animal, as a living organism, at some sort of level.’
The person who made these statements is:
(a) Julia Gillard’s hand-picked Climate Change Commissioner (Hint)
(b) The newly admitted fellow of, and spokesperson for the Australian Academy of Science (hint)
According to Blabbermouth, [Mustaine] has been forced to re-consider the subject matter of some songs.
“It’s what the subject matter’s about. I’ve been struggling with that. For example, ‘Anarchy In The U.K.’ is a song I really don’t like playing because it starts off and says ‘I am an Antichrist’. Well, I’m not an antichrist. Not only am I not it, I don’t want to be it. I won’t even be one of them.”
“And as far as ‘The Conjuring’… it actually has the components of a hex in it and when I wrote the song it was cool and it was vogue to be into black magic and the dark side and stuff like that – so it was really cool to have lines from a hex in it. But looking back now – being a dad, being a responsible person, being a musician who has influenced a lot of lives very positively – I look at it and think, ‘I don’t know if I would play that live’”.
Phil. If I gave your dog a piece of steak or a meaty bone it would gobble it down like a shot. Your dog is vegan because you are forcing your human diet onto a carnivore. It cannot make a choice in what you feed it. Pets (especially dogs) are essentially slaves to do and get what we humans decide). My shepherd ate meat and lived to 15 – a good age for a shep. Your anecdote proves nothing.
Ooo goodie – A new series of Yes, Prime Minister is to be made. Loved this. There are simply too many great Youtube vids to post from the first few series.
Gibson congratulating himself on getting a kick in the pants in the Employment Court and waxing lyrical about his ‘achievements’ and ‘anticipated achievements.’
Rodney Hide said on Radio Live this arvo that the scandal is ” enveloping the Government of New Zealand.”
That comment may seem innocent enough but perhaps there is more to come as the press drills down into the story.
Phool there is no such thing as a “vegan dog”, just carnivorous dogs being denied their natural behaviour for the sake of their airhead owners’ vanity.
@Fletch’s 1.00pm – what a fantastic example of why we really shouldn’t give any weight to anything that singers or actors say. Mustaine now doesn’t like singing “Anarchy in the UK” because of the “Antichrist” line, because he’s not an Antichrist…what excuse did he have for singing it previously, while he was still an American with no greater link to the UK than a few gigs? Idiot.
“..On last night’s Daily Show, Jon Stewart tackled “pink slime,” the disgusting, ammonia-tainted, pseudo-meat product that, until the recent public outcry – was found in most grocery store beef.
Below, Stewart walks us through the process of making the vile substance and then discusses perhaps the most disturbing fact about the “slime”:..”
..(cont..)
(imagine what they feed dogs/gets left for the dog-rolls…eh..?)
I dont think my dog wants to be a vegan, but I will ask him when he wakes up. He is just sleeping off eating a couple of kilos of body temp venison offal.
Oh no… this will come as a blow to the warmists: Their very own, dearest IPCC says there’s no link between human caused climate change and weather disasters.
Kudos to the IPCC — they have gotten the issue just about right, where “right” means that the report accurately reflects the academic literature on this topic.
:::
Anytime that you read claims that invoke disasters loss trends as an indication of human-caused climate change, including the currently popular “billion dollar disasters” meme, you can simply call “bullshit” and point to the IPCC SREX report.
Here is a question for some of the correspondents who have posted above.
When you engage with a self declared drug addled, leech on society bludger, who is illiterate and
has no self esteem or pride and lives off his 16 year old kid.
And you know it.
And.
One who openly mocks you for being so stupid as to work for a living.
By engaging with him are you lifting him up to your level or
are you dragging yourself down to his level ?
That is the question.
To my mind the answer is. Both.
Second question.
Why do you do it ?
Interesting thread over at Public Address. Post the song that drives you nuts:
And I’m sure that you, dear readers, will have your own anti-favourites; the music you would confess to anything to escape. Well, today’s the day to share them here.
bereal: Quite right…and I am guilty of feeding the troll too…sometimes the asshole just begs for a smack…but that’s pointless too, as he is so addled he thinks he’s won!!
show we where i have ‘lost’ against you garrett..?
(..’begs for a smack’..eh..?..you have a history/record of that..eh..?..that dishing out ‘smacks’..to those you think/judge deserves them..
..and you were an mp..eh..?..something to do with ‘justice’..?..wasn’t it..?..whoar..!..eh..?
..here i have proved you talking utter crap about vegetarian/vegan..
..at mr oils’ place in yr ‘rebutting rudman’ piece you tried to peddle the utter bullshit that yr repressive/regressive/reactionary penal policies are the cause of the drop in crime..
..and you had no answer to me pointing out the fact that our drop in crime is just an echo of international-trends..
..of serious drops in reported crime..
..in both countries that have repressive penal policies..and those with more liberal policies…
..i handed you yr arse…proved you were talking utter bullshit…
..would you like to try and answer that question here..?
i’ll answer my second question later, but, in the meantime.
See how a little nonce squims and twists, and postures, abuses others, and tries to puff himself up
(this nonce actually needs to think that he is on a level close to normal people.)
And then he finaly conceeds that he just can’t understand normal people.
i’ll explain how he is able to suck in a lot of normal people (who you would think weren’t gormless.) later.
Phool, no amount of unreadable links can change the fact that dogs, and especially cats, are carnivores. To deny them the chance to express and enjoy their most fundamental nature due to a desire to have them duplicate your eating disorder, is just sick, bizarre, and cruel.
i try to spell it out for for some.
Sadly some will never get it.
Such as, ‘Put it away.’ who just can’t seem to get it.
I will explain later.
However. In the meantime.
Could PIa please explain why you are so in the thrall of a nonce that you let a nonce manipulate you ?
Where does that place you ?
What is wrong with you that you that you would be so stupid as to try to argue with smoke ?
What is so wrong with bereal, trying to argue with someone who argues with philu? Wait a minute, what is wrong with me, trying to argue with bereal, who tries to argue with someone who argues with philu?
bereal: no disrespect to you (and I say that genuinely, in this case it’s not lawyer code for “you are actually dumb”) your comments at 4.18 and 6.02 will be regarded by some – and certainly by the Phool in question – as engaging with him..By his silence, he may presently be toking up (or whatever the expression is these days) but when he reads your comments he will be delighted…
beryl, we’ve been through this before, but you’re too dense to take it in. “Nonce” doesn’t mean whatever you think it means, it means a child molester. You would be wise to stop calling everyone you disagree with a “child molester”. Phool ( if that’s who you’re talkign about, fuck only knows what you’re on about half the time) has done many vile things, but I doubt he’s done that.
I’ll argue with who the fuck I like, beryl, Jesus I’m even arguing with you. Well I’m not really arguing with you, you’re too idiotic to follow an argument and are incapable of learning, I’m using you ( and phool ) to make points that neither of you will ever understand, but may be of interest and entertainment to others on here. If not, they’re free to skip past them. They’re alwyas prefaced with “phool, ” . This is a strong hint that if you don’t want to read responses to phool, now would be a good time to stop reading. Most people get that.
Ah, so the corrupt nature of the US Justice system is coming to the for. No you can’t have any money to defend yourself nor access to the evidence.
Megaupload lawyer Ira Rothken has accused the United States government of impeding the defence of copyright-accused Kim Dotcom by refusing to release frozen funds needed to gather defence evidence.
Rothken told top US technology news service CNet that Megaupload asked for $7 million to pay consultant KPMG to electronically search Megaupload’s servers and then a $1m advance to buy the servers outright from Virginian hosting company Carpathia, but was refused both times.
The local Melons are getting their nickers in a right old twist, poor buggers. Not content on fomenting terrorism ( urewera ) their new enemy is fracking, I guess the AGW lark isn’t having the desired effect any longer so fracking is the new boogie man. My neighbour has the deepest bore around 300+ metres and oil companies have being fracking around the district for quite a few years, water quality is still of the highest standard. How cracking rock thousands of metres deep can effect shallow water bores is beyond me. I have relations who hold high positions in local oil firms, one actually tests a lot of the fracked wells and recons the Melons are talking out of holes in their arses. He knows of no issues due to fracking and water quality. The Melons have a right to be concerned but I suspect this concern should come with very large grains of salt. They are big promoters for the poorer in our society, perhaps they should take a moral stand and refuse any propotion of welfare payments gained from the tax take made through oil revenues. I shall not hold my breath.
The police have released a photo of the ATM scammer. Hush my mouth but I do believe it looks like a labour MP who enjoys riding “anything”. Surprised that Whale has not spotted this.
In answer to your question re the Carment Thomas murder sentencing: as you know, you need to look at s104 of the Setencing Act and see if the facts of the murder fit with the requirements set out in that section. For those who aren’t aware of s104, that section requires a 17 year non-parole for murders that qualify as (from memory of the parliamentary debates) “the worst sort of murder”.
The list of qualifying factors are
if the murder was committed in an attempt to avoid the detection, prosecution, or conviction of any person for any offence or in any other way to attempt to subvert the course of justice; or
(b) if the murder involved calculated or lengthy planning, including making an arrangement under which money or anything of value passes (or is intended to pass) from one person to another; or
(c) if the murder involved the unlawful entry into, or unlawful presence in, a dwelling place; or
(d) if the murder was committed in the course of another serious offence; or
(e) if the murder was committed with a high level of brutality, cruelty, depravity, or callousness; or
(ea) if the murder was committed as part of a terrorist act (as defined in section 5(1) of the Terrorism Suppression Act 2002); or
(f) if the deceased was a constable or a prison officer acting in the course of his or her duty; or
(g) if the deceased was particularly vulnerable because of his or her age, health, or because of any other factor; or
(h) if the offender has been convicted of 2 or more counts of murder, whether or not arising from the same circumstances; or
(i) in any other exceptional circumstances.
None of those seem to apply in this case. Indeed, without wanting to minimise the murder, but it is really difficult to see where this particular one is not a ‘regular’ murder (and I dislike putting it that way, because it always feels like it is devaluing the crime, but we are forced to differentiate by the existence of s104) rather than one that would qualify under s104. Indeed, there appears to have been an element of provocation there (and, again, not to in any way blame the deceased person- provocation is about the offender, not the victim) which may have served to take it entirely out of s104 reckoning, if it ever was actually within s104 from the Crown’s point of view.
I think the sentence is fair. It will be almost 14 years before he can apply for parole. More than likely he will spend 15 or 16 years behind bars before being released, and he will most likely never re-offend (unless he has a criminal record that I haven’t read about.
That is not in any way to justify anything about what was done either at the time or following the murder. Just to explain some of the reasons for not giving a 17 year non-parole.
I am sure that Garth McVicar will disagree with me, however.
FES: Yes, I am familiar with s.104…surely cutting up a body in several pieces and partially burying so the poor woman didnt even decompose decently (and you know well what I mean) should qualify as an offence falling under s.104 (e) ? If not, I am right am I not that the Judge could easily have imposed a 16 year sentence without risking being overturned on appeal?
And what is your view of the 6 year perverting the course of justice sentence being served concurrently? I heard Venning J on the radio saying it was difficult to imagine a worse case of that offence…surely that is justification for making the sentences consecutive? Or is there some appellate decision(s) on this that I am unaware of?
Holy crap – I only just saw this comment from mikenmild:
Obama is a shoe-in for re-election for two main reasons:
– improving US economic conditions
– lack of a credible Republican candidate
Considering that you said only a few weeks ago that you don’t actually know that much about Obama (who does?) or his situation, I can only assume that you’re looking for a bite? Okay, so you’ve got one, two actually.
First up is the woman who, despite her GOP background, was a breathless supporter of the Lightworker in 2008. Now? Well it seems he’s a Not-So-Smooth Operator:
Maybe a stinging decision is coming, maybe not, but in a purely political sense this is how it looks: We were in crisis in 2009—we still are—and instead of doing something strong and pertinent about our economic woes, the president wasted history’s time. He wasted time that was precious—the debt clock is still ticking!—by following an imaginary bunny that disappeared down a rabbit hole…
I’d like to say “ouch”, but “Hey Rube!”, seems more suitable. But this next piece, a video from the Huffington Post, is brutal: The Promise of Hope. The credits say it all:
Paid for by the citizens for the preservation of the same amount of hope that we had before that last time when Obama told us to have hope.
Good luck with getting those supporters out to vote in 2010. Gonna take a lot of fear. A lot of fear – as we can already see.
The troll is back.
Quardle Oodle Waddle Ardle Doodle the Magpie says. Now what was contributed today with all of that drug crazed shit Phool?
As the day goes on your insults get more abusive. Getting demerits and banned is not a competition Phool.
Pissing off others is obviously a competition, get a fucking job you leech
FES vs David Garrett as above.
Both have good points.
From a laymans point.
The murder in itself, was not particulary outstanding.
His conduct, post mortem, was not good.
However, this may speak towards a normally intelligent man who, faced with the unusual unforeseen and unconsidered
problems of having to dispose of a body, took some outrageous steps to conceal his crime.
Does the method of concealing the crime add to the heiniousnes of the crime itself?
To my mind the question is. Let the jury decide.
Was the sentence fair.
Get Real.
Any decent sentence would have him serving at least the same sentence as to the the one that he gave to the
innocent that he killed
ie LIFE. Meaning his whole life. 13.X years is an insult to the life he took.
Where have i got that wrong ?
A footwear salesman, staying at a hotel, took a fancy to the housemaid.
He offered her $200 for an hour in his room, but she replied that she
wasn’t a girl like that.
She said that when she did it, it was just for love. Now he’d put her
off and she couldn’t get passionate even if she wanted to.
The salesman happened to mention that he was selling shoes
and had an extremely good sample pair. The girl gave in,
and took the salesman upstairs, where she stripped completely
and lay back on the bed. The rep got going and was surprised
and delighted to find the girl very responsive.
First she wrapped her right arm around him, then her left
leg, then her left arm and then her right leg. Of course her
enthusiasm must have been due to his skill as a lover.
“I thought you said you couldn’t get worked up.” said the rep
rather smugly.
bereal: the jury has no say in the sentence in NZ…they never have…even in the days of capital punishment jury recommendations of mercy were meaningless…except perhaps to influence the cabinet later on the question of clemency..the Judge is solely reponsible for the sentence passed on this guy…and that would have been just the same even if he had been found guilty by a jury…
phil-u-in on fracking
I have knowledge about aquifers and am impressed by DG’s comment. DG is right .
There is no threat to aquifers from fracking.
There is more likelyhood of unconfined aquifers being contaminated from ground level than any threat from fracking to confined aquifers.
This whole fracking argument is being led by imbecilic tossers,greenies and those lacking any sort of intelligence.
> A woman was at her hairdresser’s getting her hair styled for
> a trip to Rome with her husband. She mentioned the trip to
> the hairdresser, who responded:
>
> ” Rome ? Why would anyone want to go there? It’s crowded and
> dirty.. You’re crazy to go to Rome . So, how are you getting
> there?”
>
> “We’re taking BA,” was the reply. “We got a great rate!”
>
> “BA?” exclaimed the hairdresser.” That’s a terrible airline.
> Their planes are old, their flight attendants are ugly, and
> they’re always late. So, where are you staying in Rome ?”
>
> “We’ll be at this exclusive little place over on Rome ‘s
> Tiber River called Teste.”
>
> “Don’t go any further. I know that place. Everybody thinks
> its gonna be something special and exclusive, but it’s
> really a dump.”
>
> “We’re going to go to see the Vatican and maybe get to see
> the Pope.”
>
> “That’s rich,” laughed the hairdresser. “You and a million
> other people trying to see him. He’ll look the size of an
> ant.”
>
> “Boy, good luck on this lousy trip of yours. You’re going to
> need it.”
>
> A month later, the woman again came in for a hairdo. The
> hairdresser asked her about her trip to Rome .
>
> “It was wonderful,” explained the woman, “not only were we
> on time in one of BA’s brand new planes, but it was
> overbooked, and they bumped us up to first class. The food
> and wine were wonderful, and I had a handsome 28-year-old
> steward who waited on me hand and foot.
>
> And the hotel was great! They’d just finished a £5 million
> remodelling job, and now it’s a jewel, the finest hotel in
> the city. They too, were overbooked, so they apologized and
> gave us their owner’s suite at no extra charge!”
>
> “Well,” muttered the hairdresser, “that’s all well and good,
> but I bet you didn’t get to see the Pope.”
>
> “Actually, we were quite lucky, because as we toured the
> Vatican, a Swiss Guard tapped me on the shoulder, and
> explained that the Pope likes to meet some of the visitors,
> and if I’d be so kind as to step into his private room and
> wait, the Pope would personally greet me.
>
> Sure enough, five minutes later, the Pope walked through the
> door and shook my hand! I knelt down and he spoke a few
> words to me.”
>
> “Oh, really! What’d he say ?”
> He said: “Who the fuck did your hair?”
>
Three women walk by a pet shop. Suddenly the parrot yells
out, “Yellow, Pink, Blue.”
The first lady says, “That’s funny, I’m wearing yellow underwear.” The
second says, “Odd, I’m wearing pink.” The third says, “Really odd, I’m
wearing blue.”
To test the parrot, the next day, all of them wore white
and the parrot shouted, “white ! white ! white!”
The three women are amazed. The final test was the third day,
just as they walk in the parrot yelled “Bald, curly and straight!”
The useless media as usual don’t delve in to the planned move to con the PCE in to having an investigation into fracking.
This whole move has been a setup by the gweens with I think Hughes leading the charge.
The gweens Cr in HB put up a motion that was obviously constructed by advisors and the whole council was sucked in.Lets go to the PCE.What a good idea.We don’t have a clue ourselves so will run for cover.
Surprise, surprise the PCE is going ahead.
What a setup.
Wiseowl: It will depend on who the PCE takes evidence from…I dont know the woman, but she is clearly no fool…came out in favour of the use of 1080 to the great dissappointment of fools who clearly expected her to fall for any greenie bullshit…There probably isnt such a thing as a fracking expert who is a recognised greenie…at least in NZ…but such a person would be a useful expert witness…in the US there will be a few..
I’m looking forward to the PCE’s enquiry. I don’t know anything about fracking, so it reminds me a little of the GE commission, which I thought did an excellent job.
Mikey: I dont remembe the result of that…remind me…Ms Wright impressed me on the 1080 thing…I made myself as well informed as I could while I was in there, and came to the conclusion that only nutters opposed it…Wright came to the same conclusion..just expressed it much more diplomatically
The Royal Commission on GE was about 10 years ago. I think it might have been the result of a Labour promise to the Alliance. It disappointed many by recommending a cautious approach but seems to have taken the heat out of the issue.
Nothing wrong with an enquiy about fracking.
Always good to be cautious with things (GE and fracking) that could mess up things big time.
Also nice to be able to hear the facts instead of the propaganda from the ‘greens’ and their groupies.
Not that it will help much to silence them.
They are against it no matter what the outcome of the enquiry.
They don’t like and or care about facts.
Other_Andy: that’s exactly the problem….as I recall when Ms Wright came out on the 1080 issue they first all expressed widespread disbelief, followed fairly quickly by conspiracy theories about “how this could have happened” …which DIDN’T include “Ms Wright looked at all the evidence, applied her brain, and decided you were all clowns” !!
March 30th, 2012 at 8:02 am
An item on stuff.co.nz yesterday evening [ http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6655801/MFAT-spends-9m-to-cut-25m ] gives some detail but isn’t entirely helpful.
It says –
Foreign Affairs Minister Murray McCully has acknowledged $9.2 million is a “significant amount” for his ministry to spend on a razor gang to save money, but says the Government is trying to strike a balance.
McCully yesterday told Parliament the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade (MFAT) had 30 people working in its “change programme office”, including consultants and permanent staff, and was contracting services from a range of external consultancy firms, at a cost of $9.2 million in the current year.
$ 9.5m for consultants, with the aim to trim $25 million a year from MFAT’s budget.
So won’t they now need to trim $ 34.5m to save the original $ 25m or does the expense of consultants come from some other budget?
And this amount will not yet include redundancy, nor any repatriation expenses for sacked staff?
However –
Restructuring a ministry which had a budget of $400m and operated in 50 countries was a difficult task, but the ministry had already shaved $135m a year out of the budget it inherited from the previous Labour government, he said.
Is the budget now of $ 400m plus or minus that $ 135m already, and how long has the consultant razor gang been employed so far?
Vote:Why don’t journalists get some one else in the office to read stuff [sic] before it is printed to see if it really does answer questions, not just raise more?
March 30th, 2012 at 8:03 am
National is facing major internal problems. Nick Smith is already a casualty. The Labour hit squad thought it could sink Judith Collins but may have guessed too much there, overplaying a very weak hand.
The `claims support’ or `advisory team’ list of 28 is bizarre, seems like a gross overplay of name dropping.
A non-MP is the common demoninator in the shaky Key ship.
Will she sort her ship (out of character), or will we see National sunk by Missile Boag?
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 8:15 am
Sound familiar?
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 8:16 am
@ Pete
Vote:Part of the problem here is that the NZ media is junior, immature, and has too few outlets. So in other jurisdictions a journalist would say “piss off trevor, you’re full of it, this is clearly an over-reached name drop”. But in NZ it’s all hoovered up.
March 30th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Is Ipredict running a book yet on how long before the next election. Can’t see Key and co lasting long.
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 8:35 am
This Bulmar woman is starting to look like a very poisonous person to be near to – best keep well away…..
However I suspect that she might have a bit of ‘Good Oil’ on a few people – gona be very interesting next few days…..
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 8:36 am
V2 – depends on whether they get on top of this. I think Key would resist it if at all possible.
An early early election would put a lot of pressure on all parties finances, and may be a lot too soon for Shearer to get on his feet.
Whale has a good guest post on realted possibiities of by-elections from Graeme Edgeler:
Vote:http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2012/03/guest-post-what-happens-if-nick-smith-quits/
March 30th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Viking2
Vote:I have heard the same rumours..that Key won’t last the three years and that there will be a snap election.
It was funny last night to hear on parliamentary TV, a list of opinions of Collins read out..It was what Bill English said about her about 8 years ago..Everyone laughed including English himself , who of course had to say he had changed his mind since then.
March 30th, 2012 at 8:40 am
Yvette
It seems that they haven’t done their job, but I suspect the elaks that are coming from all sides aren’t helping.
Murray McCully should front up and apologise for making out the Cost of Living allowances were a rort on taxpayers.
Really $154pa for a maintenance man in Moscow, who else is going to do the job, a front company for the KGB?
Easts
Vote:Sadly the NZ press are all in a small bowl with the fish they need access to, so the ability to deny access and control is easier for the pollies.
That some of them have been compromised by their need for access becomes clearer sometimes as does their partiality too.
Many more people get the news from the net or check stories they read about elsewhere.
March 30th, 2012 at 8:43 am
I have to say that reading the exploits of one “Trev” over at whale oil is most enlightening……….
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 8:45 am
once again p.g..you talk utter rubbish..(is it a day ending in a ‘y’..?..)
..many..including labour..would like/love a sharp/quick election..
..’cos these sleaze-riddled bastards will be thrown out on their ears…
..the stench of corruption is getting somewhat overpowering..
..remember..aside from anything else..
(key and national luminaries helping pullar in an attempt to soak $14 million out of acc..?..whoar..!..)
..we are only one walking/waka-jumping mp from an election..
..phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
..
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 8:47 am
barry – the deterioration to that level personal attacks is very disappointing. That sort of thing is a major reason why many people give politics a wide berth.
The result is a scarcity of top quality candidates and a diminishing voter trinout.
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 8:50 am
The Pullar story was of mild interest when it broke but it is snowballing each day. I’ve also wondered who actually sent her the ACC files in the first place. Could it be that a national party member with access emailed these to her?
She has done well for herself by having her friends apply political pressures in the right places.
The stench of corruption is billowing into town and maybe more heads are going to roll.l
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 8:51 am
On Pullar…
Vote:Putting aside the extraordinary claims made by Boag in her letter to Sovereign, another Privacy Commission issue now arises: How did the correspondence between Pullar/Boag on the private (NOT ACC) insurance claim become public?
Did ASB (who now own Sovereign) release it?
A forensic exmination of that issue might be interesting, to say the least.
Further, how does a private insurance claim suddenly become part of the ACC saga?
Any individual is entitled to gather “support” for their “cause” on any private issue. Provided the “cause” is within the law, it does not matter from whence that “support” comes.
Sounds like pathetic “reporting” and editorial over-sight.
March 30th, 2012 at 8:52 am
I wonder how many people think Mike Hosking is the most boring individual to exist? I simply can’t listen to his unimaginative ramblings. This sky city work conflict is about the only interesting thing he has ever done.
Bring back Paul!!
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Further, how does a private insurance claim suddenly become part of the ACC saga?
Opportunist whistleblowers. Or own-hornsnorters.
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 8:56 am
Actually, Phil, no-one was trying to get 14m out of ACC and there is no reliable evidence that Key was involved — just a self-serving letter. This is one of the reasons why labour should be kept out of power for some time to come. It engages in personality politics and remains the nasty party.
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 8:59 am
With all the leftwing handwringing over ‘Fracking’ I was interested to watch O’Bama making a speech on the US Energy crisis last night. He promised to increase Fracking over the next year by at least 100%.
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 9:05 am
Obama is Fracked due to his billowing national debt (twice that of GBush’s ENTIRE tenure).
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 9:21 am
nothing to see there..eh nookin..?
..and really..parroting the slater-defence-meme of labour ‘the nasty party’ isn’t really helping yr case..
..isn’t is ..national..’the sleazy party’..?..that we should be talking/asking about..
..i wonder what new delights will unfold today..?
phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Obama is a shoe-in for re-election for two main reasons:
Vote:– improving US economic conditions
– lack of a credible Republican candidate
March 30th, 2012 at 9:37 am
There are still too many unanswered questions..How come he applied for a foreign students allowance when studying in the US then a few years later , he was no longer a foreigner??? Perhaps he should pay this allowance back..
Vote:Also healthcare..abortions etc..treating the biggest church in the world as a fringe belief. He has no regard for the US constitution which guarantees freedom of religion.
March 30th, 2012 at 9:42 am
PhilU – You aknowledge that you have no evidence that John Key attempted to help Ms Pullar get 14 million dollars out of ACC do you?
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 9:44 am
As interesting as the ACC saga is…the debate on fracking is a typical example of a Greenie beat up based on near total ignorance and misinformation.
Fracking in NZ is done in wells 3000 meters or more deep…thats three kilometres from the surface, or deeper than Mt Egmont (that’s what it’s called in the Naki) is high. While some water wells – not in Taranaki – might go to 600 metres, the vast majority are shallower than 200 metres. While gravity still exerts force on the solids and liquids used in fracking, how the hell can any contamination of strata almost 3 k’s higher – and insulated by literally dozens of layers of sedimentary rock – cause contamination? The answer is quite simply “it can’t”, and what may be done in Texas in old stripper wells 500m deep which might have been drilled 50 or 60 years ago is simply irrelevant.
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Phil, what happened here ? –
Vote:http://whoar.co.nz/ – Bandwidth Limit Exceeded
The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to the site owner reaching his/her bandwidth limit. Please try again later.
March 30th, 2012 at 9:51 am
@Yvette – I suspect that, as soon as more than seven visitors look at his ‘blog’ over a period of 30 days, it automatically exceeds the monthly band allowance.
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 9:56 am
what was the full stop that broke the camel’s back? How could phool ever exceed bandwidth? Must have an exceptionally tiny “package”… eh?
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Phil
Vote:I did not say there was nothing to see. I corrected your false statement that Key helped soak 14m from ACC. He did not. Nor did anyone else. You are the only person I have seen making a statement about Key soaking money from ACC. Get your facts right. I also said there was no reliable evidence of Key’s involvement in any campaign. Produce evidence and I will consider it. Don’t default to the gutter denominator determined by your prejudices.
March 30th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Philu is not big on facts and evidence. He prefers to make BS points directed by his political bias.
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Has Sovereign indicated at all in the media yet that clients should not be concerned whether their private correspondence with the company may not be too private after all?
And this latest letter is purportedly from Sovereign to Pullar/Boag
Vote:So there will be a little time for everyone to deny this and that
and then of course we are likely to get the letter Pullar/Boag to Sovereign
March 30th, 2012 at 10:42 am
the 14 mill attempt is being reported in the m.s.m
yvette..i exceeded my limit..
and those bastards at orcon cut me off after their support service closes..(at 5 pm..re-opening at 9 am..twenty minutes to get an answer..)
customer support at orcon..is an oxymoron…
and nookin..don’t be so size-ist..
..whoar may be smaller than some others..
..but it is perfectly formed..
..eh..?
phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 10:44 am
im not convinced many people actually give a shit about this ACC thing.
personally i dont, i cant even be bothered to read more than a headline about it.
quick poll around the office at morning tea.. no one cares.
ill put money on it not causing a “snap” election.
the standard is funny. i went over there this morning, the are banging on about how crushers law suit will cost the tax payer a lot of money. lmao when did they start caring about the tax payer?
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 10:57 am
The media lap it up, as per. Everytime report explains this mix of “Water, sand and *gasp* chemicals“…yeah, chemicals, parts per million of stuff also found in shampoo, ice cream…
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Phil — 14m is mentioned but it invoves a claim against a private insurer — not ACC
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 11:02 am
James: the funniest one is the extreme Greenies living “a chemical free lifestyle”…so no cleaning the toilet, washing the dishes or the clothes, no painting the house or even riding in the train…let alone driving a car…in fact when I was at school, food contained “chemicals” didnt it?
Mind you, perhaps it would be give if the ignorant Luddites DID lead a chemical free lifestyle…
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 11:08 am
nookin..i stand corrected..
and my sizeist rejoinder should go t p.i.a..eh..?
phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Interview with Dave Mustaine from Megadeth on becoming a Christian and his distrust of Obama.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpZzFYYWFj8
“Something just happened where I was just yearning for a difference in my life; I felt really empty. The drugs weren’t doing it, the alcohol wasn’t doing it; I mean, it would make you feel good for a little while, like peeing your pants on a cold night – it feels good for a little while, but it’s not a long-term solution”
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 11:13 am
gee garrett..you are as pig-ignorant on fracking..
..as you are on so much else..
..everything you say just opens up new vistas..
..eh..?
..you really have that opinionated-ignorances thang pretty much down pat..eh..?
http://whoar.co.nz/?s=fracking
phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Mustaine is a legend.
Vote:Megadeth- Criminally underrated rock band! (Especially when compared to those overplayed, overhyped idiots from Metallica..)
March 30th, 2012 at 11:17 am
this one is for fletch..more mustaine..(and it is fucken hilarious…)
http://whoar.co.nz/2012/rick-santorum-or-satanic-heavy-metal-the-quiz/
“…Can you tell the difference between Santorum quotes and Megadeth lyrics?
Nope – you probably can’t…
When you consider the contrast between the Christian right and—oh, you know—the satanic symbolism and violent sexuality associated with heavy-metal music – Mustaine’s pseudo-endorsement* might seem born out of a slight cognitive dissonance.
But when you think about it more – is there really anything more metal than a guy who talks obsessively about sex, the devil –
- and the imminent destruction of all that is sacred and holy?
Take our short quiz to find out if you can tell the difference between Rick Santorum quotes and things Dave Mustaine has said and sung.”
(ed:..i got six correct..out of ten:…woo-hoo..!..(clenches fist.. punches air..in suitable heavy-metal styling..)..
..how many did you get right.there…fletch..?
phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Ah…the man who thinks dogs should be forced to be vegetarian is back…fucking up this blog also with his drug addled disjointed ranting…
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 11:28 am
@Longknives – don’t be soft. Metallica defined and perfected Thrash with their first four albums and then grew up and progressed. There’s a good reason Mustaine is still ploughing the same rut and hoping to boost his profile with a “Supergroup” reunion with Hetfield and Ulrich…
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 11:35 am
yet another ignorance from garrett..(you are spoiling us today..)
i gather you are referring to my 13 yr old dog..?..on a vegan diet all her life..?
that one who is a picture of health..?..than looks/runs/moves like a 3 yr old..?
..that could do a centrefold for ‘dog monthly…?
..or is it the five year old..?
..or is it the stray/wild kitten that decided a few months ago that we are it…
..(and who i am typing around..as he sleeps curled up my desk/in front of my monitor..?..
..and is also totally thriving on a vegan diet..?
..which one are you referring too..?
phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 11:58 am
Phool you are one sick animal abuser, denying those poor animals their natural diet because of your eating disorder.
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/13302831/ports-of-auckland-director-resigns/
I hope we get to hear from Rob Campbell on the reason for his resignation, it seems there could be splits of opinion on the board at POAL. If the POAL is found to have acted illegally the chairman and CEO will have to go while Aucklanders will be left to stare at the over $10 million dollar loss.
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Carmen Thomas’ killer gets 13 years rather than the 17 plus given for aggravated murder…given my current status, I am not going to comment further….but I hope to hell someone does…
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Time for a fun quiz…
The person who made these statements is:
(a) Julia Gillard’s hand-picked Climate Change Commissioner (Hint)
(b) The newly admitted fellow of, and spokesperson for the Australian Academy of Science (hint)
(c) A loony (hint)
(d) All of the above
h/t Jo Nova, James Patterson
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
phool, so you are contrasting things Mustaine has said/sung in his old life before he became a Christian, with now?
Vote:Seems a bit pointless…
March 30th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Philu –
According to Blabbermouth, [Mustaine] has been forced to re-consider the subject matter of some songs.
“It’s what the subject matter’s about. I’ve been struggling with that. For example, ‘Anarchy In The U.K.’ is a song I really don’t like playing because it starts off and says ‘I am an Antichrist’. Well, I’m not an antichrist. Not only am I not it, I don’t want to be it. I won’t even be one of them.”
“And as far as ‘The Conjuring’… it actually has the components of a hex in it and when I wrote the song it was cool and it was vogue to be into black magic and the dark side and stuff like that – so it was really cool to have lines from a hex in it. But looking back now – being a dad, being a responsible person, being a musician who has influenced a lot of lives very positively – I look at it and think, ‘I don’t know if I would play that live’”.
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Phil. If I gave your dog a piece of steak or a meaty bone it would gobble it down like a shot. Your dog is vegan because you are forcing your human diet onto a carnivore. It cannot make a choice in what you feed it. Pets (especially dogs) are essentially slaves to do and get what we humans decide). My shepherd ate meat and lived to 15 – a good age for a shep. Your anecdote proves nothing.
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Ooo goodie – A new series of Yes, Prime Minister is to be made. Loved this. There are simply too many great Youtube vids to post from the first few series.
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/13303996/ports-of-auckland-lifts-lockout-notice/
Gibson congratulating himself on getting a kick in the pants in the Employment Court and waxing lyrical about his ‘achievements’ and ‘anticipated achievements.’
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
smaller..there is a type of food called seitan..that has seven times the protein of meat..going on volume..
..i just have to say the word and both dogs start doing cartwheels..so i’m not sure which would win..meat or seitan..
..then there is the cat..which loves tofu more than any other animal i have seen..and climbs my legs as i am chopping it up for him..
..(the dogs like it too..
..what my anecdotes ‘proves’..is that dogs and cats can live a happy/healthy/long life on a vegan diet..
..and especially when compared with those what-the-fuck-is-in-it? commercial dog rolls of shite..
..that most people feed their dogs on..
..and this anecdote also proves the hysterical statements from most on this subject..
..to be utter shite..(yoo-hoo..!..garrett..!..)
..and i repeat..the 13 yr old is not just healthy/fit…she is super/healthy fit…
..here ya go..the link also contains photo-galleries of vegan dogs..plus recipies..
..and i was at a party last year where there were seven vegan dogs..
..all of them tickety-boo…
..so..y’know..!
http://whoar.co.nz/?s=vegan+dogs
phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Rodney Hide said on Radio Live this arvo that the scandal is ” enveloping the Government of New Zealand.”
Vote:That comment may seem innocent enough but perhaps there is more to come as the press drills down into the story.
March 30th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
fletch..you miss the point…
..the humour is directed as much at santorum as mustaine..
..and the difficulty in telling which is which…
and anyway…you are a big fan of all the/that impending-end-of-days rapture-talk..eh..?
..eagerly looking out yr window…waiting for the big fella to show..
..eh..?
..btw..how many did you get right..?
phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Phool there is no such thing as a “vegan dog”, just carnivorous dogs being denied their natural behaviour for the sake of their airhead owners’ vanity.
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
@Fletch’s 1.00pm – what a fantastic example of why we really shouldn’t give any weight to anything that singers or actors say. Mustaine now doesn’t like singing “Anarchy in the UK” because of the “Antichrist” line, because he’s not an Antichrist…what excuse did he have for singing it previously, while he was still an American with no greater link to the UK than a few gigs? Idiot.
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
click on the link..p.i.a..
learn something..
..for probably the first time in a long time…eh..?
..that ‘learning something’…?
phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
(and one for the carnivores/fans of cheap-meat..
..”.would you like some pink slime with that sir/madam..?..”
http://whoar.co.nz/2012/jon-stewart-takes-on-pink-slime-found-in-most-beef-its-too-disgusting-for-mcdonalds/
“..On last night’s Daily Show, Jon Stewart tackled “pink slime,” the disgusting, ammonia-tainted, pseudo-meat product that, until the recent public outcry – was found in most grocery store beef.
Below, Stewart walks us through the process of making the vile substance and then discusses perhaps the most disturbing fact about the “slime”:..”
..(cont..)
(imagine what they feed dogs/gets left for the dog-rolls…eh..?)
phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
I dont think my dog wants to be a vegan, but I will ask him when he wakes up. He is just sleeping off eating a couple of kilos of body temp venison offal.
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Cheap meat?
Vote:I have 22 kg of clean venison that cost me one 300 win mag handload. Approx $1.60.
I am a fan
March 30th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Oh no… this will come as a blow to the warmists: Their very own, dearest IPCC says there’s no link between human caused climate change and weather disasters.
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Here is a question for some of the correspondents who have posted above.
When you engage with a self declared drug addled, leech on society bludger, who is illiterate and
has no self esteem or pride and lives off his 16 year old kid.
And you know it.
And.
One who openly mocks you for being so stupid as to work for a living.
By engaging with him are you lifting him up to your level or
are you dragging yourself down to his level ?
That is the question.
To my mind the answer is. Both.
Vote:Second question.
Why do you do it ?
March 30th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Interesting thread over at Public Address. Post the song that drives you nuts:
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
bereal
Vote:Maybe it seemed ok at the time?
But I am pretty sure I thought that about that tequilla incident too!
March 30th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Ok Colville
Not the best answer, but at least it was a try. Good onya.
i answered my own first question already.
Maybe you should tune out now before i answer the second one.
Vote:We don’t want to fall out.
March 30th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
David Garrett 9:44am David, they’re leftists. What’s good for their respective countries is bad for them, and vice versa.
cheers
David Prosser
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
bereal: Quite right…and I am guilty of feeding the troll too…sometimes the asshole just begs for a smack…but that’s pointless too, as he is so addled he thinks he’s won!!
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
show we where i have ‘lost’ against you garrett..?
(..’begs for a smack’..eh..?..you have a history/record of that..eh..?..that dishing out ‘smacks’..to those you think/judge deserves them..
..and you were an mp..eh..?..something to do with ‘justice’..?..wasn’t it..?..whoar..!..eh..?
..here i have proved you talking utter crap about vegetarian/vegan..
..at mr oils’ place in yr ‘rebutting rudman’ piece you tried to peddle the utter bullshit that yr repressive/regressive/reactionary penal policies are the cause of the drop in crime..
..and you had no answer to me pointing out the fact that our drop in crime is just an echo of international-trends..
..of serious drops in reported crime..
..in both countries that have repressive penal policies..and those with more liberal policies…
..i handed you yr arse…proved you were talking utter bullshit…
..would you like to try and answer that question here..?
..seeing as you didn’t/couldn’t there..eh..?
..i make that 2 to me..and zip to you..eh..?
..how can it not be..?
phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
i’ll answer my second question later, but, in the meantime.
See how a little nonce squims and twists, and postures, abuses others, and tries to puff himself up
(this nonce actually needs to think that he is on a level close to normal people.)
And then he finaly conceeds that he just can’t understand normal people.
i’ll explain how he is able to suck in a lot of normal people (who you would think weren’t gormless.) later.
[DPF: 50 demerits for use of "nonce"]
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Its very quiet, no comments in a hour!
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
George Galloway wins british by-election.
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Phool, no amount of unreadable links can change the fact that dogs, and especially cats, are carnivores. To deny them the chance to express and enjoy their most fundamental nature due to a desire to have them duplicate your eating disorder, is just sick, bizarre, and cruel.
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
i try to spell it out for for some.
Sadly some will never get it.
Such as, ‘Put it away.’ who just can’t seem to get it.
I will explain later.
However. In the meantime.
Could PIa please explain why you are so in the thrall of a nonce that you let a nonce manipulate you ?
Vote:Where does that place you ?
What is wrong with you that you that you would be so stupid as to try to argue with smoke ?
March 30th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
What is so wrong with bereal, trying to argue with someone who argues with philu? Wait a minute, what is wrong with me, trying to argue with bereal, who tries to argue with someone who argues with philu?
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
bereal: no disrespect to you (and I say that genuinely, in this case it’s not lawyer code for “you are actually dumb”) your comments at 4.18 and 6.02 will be regarded by some – and certainly by the Phool in question – as engaging with him..By his silence, he may presently be toking up (or whatever the expression is these days) but when he reads your comments he will be delighted…
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
beryl, we’ve been through this before, but you’re too dense to take it in. “Nonce” doesn’t mean whatever you think it means, it means a child molester. You would be wise to stop calling everyone you disagree with a “child molester”. Phool ( if that’s who you’re talkign about, fuck only knows what you’re on about half the time) has done many vile things, but I doubt he’s done that.
Vote:I’ll argue with who the fuck I like, beryl, Jesus I’m even arguing with you. Well I’m not really arguing with you, you’re too idiotic to follow an argument and are incapable of learning, I’m using you ( and phool ) to make points that neither of you will ever understand, but may be of interest and entertainment to others on here. If not, they’re free to skip past them. They’re alwyas prefaced with “phool, ” . This is a strong hint that if you don’t want to read responses to phool, now would be a good time to stop reading. Most people get that.
March 30th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Ah, so the corrupt nature of the US Justice system is coming to the for. No you can’t have any money to defend yourself nor access to the evidence.
Megaupload lawyer Ira Rothken has accused the United States government of impeding the defence of copyright-accused Kim Dotcom by refusing to release frozen funds needed to gather defence evidence.
Rothken told top US technology news service CNet that Megaupload asked for $7 million to pay consultant KPMG to electronically search Megaupload’s servers and then a $1m advance to buy the servers outright from Virginian hosting company Carpathia, but was refused both times.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/6665889/US-accused-of-hampering-Dotcom-case
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
The local Melons are getting their nickers in a right old twist, poor buggers. Not content on fomenting terrorism ( urewera ) their new enemy is fracking, I guess the AGW lark isn’t having the desired effect any longer so fracking is the new boogie man. My neighbour has the deepest bore around 300+ metres and oil companies have being fracking around the district for quite a few years, water quality is still of the highest standard. How cracking rock thousands of metres deep can effect shallow water bores is beyond me. I have relations who hold high positions in local oil firms, one actually tests a lot of the fracked wells and recons the Melons are talking out of holes in their arses. He knows of no issues due to fracking and water quality. The Melons have a right to be concerned but I suspect this concern should come with very large grains of salt. They are big promoters for the poorer in our society, perhaps they should take a moral stand and refuse any propotion of welfare payments gained from the tax take made through oil revenues. I shall not hold my breath.
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
mnm 6.07pm,
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Now mikenmild @ 6.07
you ask what is wrong with you.
After every other corresponent has has a go first.
Then i will respond.
In about a week or so.
Are there any others in your support team for the bludging leech, drug adled loser ?
Now we know that birds of a feather flock together but i didn’t peg you as
a bludging leech.
Maybe i was wrong.
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
The police have released a photo of the ATM scammer. Hush my mouth but I do believe it looks like a labour MP who enjoys riding “anything”. Surprised that Whale has not spotted this.
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
David Garrett,
In answer to your question re the Carment Thomas murder sentencing: as you know, you need to look at s104 of the Setencing Act and see if the facts of the murder fit with the requirements set out in that section. For those who aren’t aware of s104, that section requires a 17 year non-parole for murders that qualify as (from memory of the parliamentary debates) “the worst sort of murder”.
The list of qualifying factors are
None of those seem to apply in this case. Indeed, without wanting to minimise the murder, but it is really difficult to see where this particular one is not a ‘regular’ murder (and I dislike putting it that way, because it always feels like it is devaluing the crime, but we are forced to differentiate by the existence of s104) rather than one that would qualify under s104. Indeed, there appears to have been an element of provocation there (and, again, not to in any way blame the deceased person- provocation is about the offender, not the victim) which may have served to take it entirely out of s104 reckoning, if it ever was actually within s104 from the Crown’s point of view.
I think the sentence is fair. It will be almost 14 years before he can apply for parole. More than likely he will spend 15 or 16 years behind bars before being released, and he will most likely never re-offend (unless he has a criminal record that I haven’t read about.
That is not in any way to justify anything about what was done either at the time or following the murder. Just to explain some of the reasons for not giving a 17 year non-parole.
I am sure that Garth McVicar will disagree with me, however.
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Just like i said.
Some will never get it.
Congratulations, Put it away.
Also David Garrett.
You are correct.
That nonce you speak of will have cum by by now. Twice probably. But.
What i am trying to do is to show others, maybe including you, how you
demean yourselves by engaging with a nonce like that on an equal level.
Like i said, are you elevating a nonce or dragging yourself down ?
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
you are a piece of utter shit..bereal..
..all you do here is pour abuse and shit on people..
..not once have you ever said anything even approaching vaguely intelligent..
..let alone the stretch to amusing..
..you are a nasty-toned streak on the toilet paper of life..
..phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
oh.i forgot bereal..you are also table-leg-chewing bat-shit-crazy..
..but you and yr medical advisers/prescribers already know that..
..eh..?
phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
and you do know that when the troll-i.d-app arrives…bereal,,
..you will be first..
..you will be matched up with the unending bile that flows from yr mouth..
..you will own yr words..
..and those who know who you are..
..will know it is you..
..as will we all..
..will they be shocked..?
..d’yareckon..?
phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
FES: Yes, I am familiar with s.104…surely cutting up a body in several pieces and partially burying so the poor woman didnt even decompose decently (and you know well what I mean) should qualify as an offence falling under s.104 (e) ? If not, I am right am I not that the Judge could easily have imposed a 16 year sentence without risking being overturned on appeal?
And what is your view of the 6 year perverting the course of justice sentence being served concurrently? I heard Venning J on the radio saying it was difficult to imagine a worse case of that offence…surely that is justification for making the sentences consecutive? Or is there some appellate decision(s) on this that I am unaware of?
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Holy crap – I only just saw this comment from mikenmild:
Considering that you said only a few weeks ago that you don’t actually know that much about Obama (who does?) or his situation, I can only assume that you’re looking for a bite? Okay, so you’ve got one, two actually.
First up is the woman who, despite her GOP background, was a breathless supporter of the Lightworker in 2008. Now? Well it seems he’s a Not-So-Smooth Operator:
I’d like to say “ouch”, but “Hey Rube!”, seems more suitable. But this next piece, a video from the Huffington Post, is brutal: The Promise of Hope. The credits say it all:
Good luck with getting those supporters out to vote in 2010. Gonna take a lot of fear. A lot of fear – as we can already see.
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
The troll is back.
Quardle Oodle Waddle Ardle Doodle the Magpie says. Now what was contributed today with all of that drug crazed shit Phool?
As the day goes on your insults get more abusive. Getting demerits and banned is not a competition Phool.
Vote:Pissing off others is obviously a competition, get a fucking job you leech
March 30th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
FES vs David Garrett as above.
Both have good points.
From a laymans point.
The murder in itself, was not particulary outstanding.
His conduct, post mortem, was not good.
However, this may speak towards a normally intelligent man who, faced with the unusual unforeseen and unconsidered
problems of having to dispose of a body, took some outrageous steps to conceal his crime.
Does the method of concealing the crime add to the heiniousnes of the crime itself?
To my mind the question is. Let the jury decide.
Was the sentence fair.
Get Real.
Any decent sentence would have him serving at least the same sentence as to the the one that he gave to the
Vote:innocent that he killed
ie LIFE. Meaning his whole life. 13.X years is an insult to the life he took.
Where have i got that wrong ?
March 30th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
To be fair, Steve, philu does occasionally (rarely) say something sensible. His comment @ 6.40pm was spot-on!
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
A footwear salesman, staying at a hotel, took a fancy to the housemaid.
He offered her $200 for an hour in his room, but she replied that she
wasn’t a girl like that.
She said that when she did it, it was just for love. Now he’d put her
off and she couldn’t get passionate even if she wanted to.
The salesman happened to mention that he was selling shoes
and had an extremely good sample pair. The girl gave in,
and took the salesman upstairs, where she stripped completely
and lay back on the bed. The rep got going and was surprised
and delighted to find the girl very responsive.
First she wrapped her right arm around him, then her left
leg, then her left arm and then her right leg. Of course her
enthusiasm must have been due to his skill as a lover.
“I thought you said you couldn’t get worked up.” said the rep
rather smugly.
“I’m not, I’m just trying on the shoes.”
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
bereal: the jury has no say in the sentence in NZ…they never have…even in the days of capital punishment jury recommendations of mercy were meaningless…except perhaps to influence the cabinet later on the question of clemency..the Judge is solely reponsible for the sentence passed on this guy…and that would have been just the same even if he had been found guilty by a jury…
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
phil-u-in on fracking
I have knowledge about aquifers and am impressed by DG’s comment. DG is right .
There is no threat to aquifers from fracking.
There is more likelyhood of unconfined aquifers being contaminated from ground level than any threat from fracking to confined aquifers.
This whole fracking argument is being led by imbecilic tossers,greenies and those lacking any sort of intelligence.
Not sure which of these phil-u-in is.
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
wiseowl: I think perhaps “all of the above” ?? He has almost certainly never even seen a drilling rig, much less worked on one…
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
> A woman was at her hairdresser’s getting her hair styled for
Vote:> a trip to Rome with her husband. She mentioned the trip to
> the hairdresser, who responded:
>
> ” Rome ? Why would anyone want to go there? It’s crowded and
> dirty.. You’re crazy to go to Rome . So, how are you getting
> there?”
>
> “We’re taking BA,” was the reply. “We got a great rate!”
>
> “BA?” exclaimed the hairdresser.” That’s a terrible airline.
> Their planes are old, their flight attendants are ugly, and
> they’re always late. So, where are you staying in Rome ?”
>
> “We’ll be at this exclusive little place over on Rome ‘s
> Tiber River called Teste.”
>
> “Don’t go any further. I know that place. Everybody thinks
> its gonna be something special and exclusive, but it’s
> really a dump.”
>
> “We’re going to go to see the Vatican and maybe get to see
> the Pope.”
>
> “That’s rich,” laughed the hairdresser. “You and a million
> other people trying to see him. He’ll look the size of an
> ant.”
>
> “Boy, good luck on this lousy trip of yours. You’re going to
> need it.”
>
> A month later, the woman again came in for a hairdo. The
> hairdresser asked her about her trip to Rome .
>
> “It was wonderful,” explained the woman, “not only were we
> on time in one of BA’s brand new planes, but it was
> overbooked, and they bumped us up to first class. The food
> and wine were wonderful, and I had a handsome 28-year-old
> steward who waited on me hand and foot.
>
> And the hotel was great! They’d just finished a £5 million
> remodelling job, and now it’s a jewel, the finest hotel in
> the city. They too, were overbooked, so they apologized and
> gave us their owner’s suite at no extra charge!”
>
> “Well,” muttered the hairdresser, “that’s all well and good,
> but I bet you didn’t get to see the Pope.”
>
> “Actually, we were quite lucky, because as we toured the
> Vatican, a Swiss Guard tapped me on the shoulder, and
> explained that the Pope likes to meet some of the visitors,
> and if I’d be so kind as to step into his private room and
> wait, the Pope would personally greet me.
>
> Sure enough, five minutes later, the Pope walked through the
> door and shook my hand! I knelt down and he spoke a few
> words to me.”
>
> “Oh, really! What’d he say ?”
> He said: “Who the fuck did your hair?”
>
March 30th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Three women walk by a pet shop. Suddenly the parrot yells
out, “Yellow, Pink, Blue.”
The first lady says, “That’s funny, I’m wearing yellow underwear.” The
second says, “Odd, I’m wearing pink.” The third says, “Really odd, I’m
wearing blue.”
To test the parrot, the next day, all of them wore white
and the parrot shouted, “white ! white ! white!”
The three women are amazed. The final test was the third day,
Vote:just as they walk in the parrot yelled “Bald, curly and straight!”
March 30th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
The useless media as usual don’t delve in to the planned move to con the PCE in to having an investigation into fracking.
Vote:This whole move has been a setup by the gweens with I think Hughes leading the charge.
The gweens Cr in HB put up a motion that was obviously constructed by advisors and the whole council was sucked in.Lets go to the PCE.What a good idea.We don’t have a clue ourselves so will run for cover.
Surprise, surprise the PCE is going ahead.
What a setup.
March 30th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
does garrett know as much about fracking as he does about the reasons for the international sharp drop in reported crime..?
phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Wiseowl: It will depend on who the PCE takes evidence from…I dont know the woman, but she is clearly no fool…came out in favour of the use of 1080 to the great dissappointment of fools who clearly expected her to fall for any greenie bullshit…There probably isnt such a thing as a fracking expert who is a recognised greenie…at least in NZ…but such a person would be a useful expert witness…in the US there will be a few..
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
wise owll..the questions about fracking are part of an international trend..
..that has been building for a while..
..i did my first fracking story/link at whoar in june ’10//
..and if it is so harmless..why have so many places banned it..?
..maybe our resident expert-on-everything/walking-wikipedia..garrett..
..will be able to answer that question..?
..d’ya reckon..?
phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
I’m looking forward to the PCE’s enquiry. I don’t know anything about fracking, so it reminds me a little of the GE commission, which I thought did an excellent job.
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Mikey: I dont remembe the result of that…remind me…Ms Wright impressed me on the 1080 thing…I made myself as well informed as I could while I was in there, and came to the conclusion that only nutters opposed it…Wright came to the same conclusion..just expressed it much more diplomatically
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
The Royal Commission on GE was about 10 years ago. I think it might have been the result of a Labour promise to the Alliance. It disappointed many by recommending a cautious approach but seems to have taken the heat out of the issue.
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Nothing wrong with an enquiy about fracking.
Vote:Always good to be cautious with things (GE and fracking) that could mess up things big time.
Also nice to be able to hear the facts instead of the propaganda from the ‘greens’ and their groupies.
Not that it will help much to silence them.
They are against it no matter what the outcome of the enquiry.
They don’t like and or care about facts.
March 30th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Other_Andy: that’s exactly the problem….as I recall when Ms Wright came out on the 1080 issue they first all expressed widespread disbelief, followed fairly quickly by conspiracy theories about “how this could have happened” …which DIDN’T include “Ms Wright looked at all the evidence, applied her brain, and decided you were all clowns” !!
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
now if you ever needed sum proof as to how only fuken idiots would
engage with other fukenn idiots
Check out the correspondense from say 8.00 pm or so…
till now.
One fuken idiot. a bludging, unemployed nonce, who spits on all who responds to him seems
to pull the chain so easily for so many drongs.
Question is.
Why do you want to be a fucken drong ?
Only you fucken drongs know.
Please tell us.
Why do you let a fucken bludger, who laughs at you, and who lives off you, pull your chain ?
Why is that …………….?
and…………………….?
and……………………?
i will name you tomorrow you fools.
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
bereal” Oh dear…I am sure I have stuck up for you in the past…perhaps time to go back to the pavilion??
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Dear David,
Vote:One thing i don’t need is for some prissy girl to, “stick up for me ‘
You want to, ” retire hurt’ then
Good luck to you, you weak sook.
March 30th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Righto then…you big brave boy hiding behind a pseud…keep making a fool of yourself..
Vote:March 30th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
See what i mean.
‘You big brave boy hiding etc… ”
Now that is what i call a weak sook.
A pathetic weak sook.
Only one fool here tonight babe.
Vote: