General Debate 3 March 2012

March 3rd, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. southtop (228) Says:

    Flying into Wellington will be fun today

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  2. Pete George (17,897) Says:

    The Otago stay of execution get’s another good rucking on by Channel 9 and OhDearTeam.
    Another week of wondering if the awful ORFU can be saved.

    In the meantime sheltered from liquidation bomb there will be a full O’Stadium hoping the Highlander’s line can be saved against the Christ’s Crusader’s inevitable onslaught.

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  3. Sonny Blount (1,761) Says:

    How a leader handles a strike:

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  4. plebe (271) Says:

    The Cains won in Africa, and Dorkland LOST AGAIN beaten by the MOO MOOS, as it should be. Auckland,the reason why NZs failing.Concentrating failure in one area isnt good.

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  5. mister nui (832) Says:

    I want to put it out there, that I believe Air New Zealand has started on the path of destruction of what has been a great airline – my pick is that within 5 years it will be a shadow of its former self.

    The reason I’m saying this is because; I want to state that this has started before the government sells down any of its shareholding, because we all know, that once the shares have been sold, the usual suspects will be blaming the further privatisation.

    In the last few days Air New Zealand has destroyed the last remaining bit of usefulness its already shithouse frequent flyer program had, by removing the ability to use points for upgrades and has elected to go to some one-up bidding thing. Anyway, after what must have been a huge backlash, they have now reneged on part of it and kept the old system for those of us that are Gold Elite with them. But in saying so they managed to piss all of us through assuming we must be all fucking idiots. I quote from their email:

    We have received a lot of feedback over the past 24 hours relating to the changes to our upgrade programme. Much has been positive, but we have also received negative feedback, particularly from our Gold Elite members and we want to move quickly and address those concerns.

    I know I was born in the morning, but I wasn’t born yesterday morning to believe that they have had “much positive feedback”.

    As someone who used to be an advocate of Air New Zealand, I will now not fly them, unless they are the only option, as they clearly do not value my or other Frequent Flyers custom. Well done Rob Fyfe and co.

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  6. mister nui (832) Says:

    Further to my Air New Zealand post, you can possibly snap them up for a bargain:

    http://www.trademe.co.nz/browse/listing.aspx?id=453981663&rewritten=true

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  7. Pete George (17,897) Says:

    Today’s ODT editorial looks at Tackling the Costs of Welfare.

    …it would be a pleasant surprise for many New Zealanders were the parties to get round the table and form a consensus approach on how to tackle a severe and escalating problem.

    The starting point for just such an approach could be a simple and overriding position: welfare should be a safety net, not a way of life. This is a philosophical rallying point around which most reasonable people could assemble.

    Is this a reasonable starting point for a Universal Welfare Philosophy?

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  8. Sonny Blount (1,761) Says:

    Andrew Breitbart confronting the Occupy mobs:

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  9. Sonny Blount (1,761) Says:

    Andrew Breitbart’s speech at CPAC less than a month ago:

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  10. krazykiwi (9,188) Says:

    @mister nui – I share your thoughts about airnz. The upgrade scheme change was a particularly stupid move.

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  11. Luc Hansen (4,573) Says:

    Sonny, so in your first clip, which has been around for a while, now, a threatening, drunken, bambastic, lying extremist confronts a gathering of non-threatening, polite, enquiring minds exercising their rights of free speech and assembly, rights the drunkard would like to see eliminated.

    Your second clip features an organisation that should be broken up and its leaders jailed for treason and terrorism-supporting activities.

    You certainly know how to keep unpleasant company.

    I wonder what that says about you?

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  12. Other_Andy (2,074) Says:

    Radical theory of first Americans places Stone Age Europeans in Delmarva 20,000 years ago.

    Since the 1930s, archaeologists have favoured a single migration from Siberia to Alaska as the epic event that peopled the Americas about 13,000 years ago. Stone tools found at Clovis, N.M., and elsewhere, suggested that a single culture spread across much of the continent. This “Clovis first” idea became entrenched.
    But starting in the 1990s, archaeologists dated sites in Texas, Chile and the mid-Atlantic region to pre-Clovis times. Few archaeologists accepted those dates at first, said Michael Collins, an archaeologist at Texas State.
    “People learned it in college and built careers on ‘Clovis first,’ ” Collins said. “They’re unwilling to turn it loose.”

    But now they might have to adopt Stanford’s Europe-first slogan: “Iberia, not Siberia.”

    http://tinyurl.com/7tn2za9

    Look they are both ‘old’, white, males and probably (Aw God!) Christians as well.
    This must be reason enough for Luc and Scott to dismiss the theory as an evil plot by Western white supremacists to rob the North American Indians of their ‘indigenous identity’.

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  13. Viking2 (9,610) Says:

    mister nui (668) Says:
    March 3rd, 2012 at 8:48 am

    I want to put it out there, that I believe Air New Zealand has started on the path of destruction of what has been a great airline – my pick is that within 5 years it will be a shadow of its former self.

    Well mr nui, as one of the many taxpaying shareholders in the airline we would actually like to get a decent return on our money and seeing as how you and most others don’t want to pay a reasonable amount for your airfare we have to trim somewhere else.

    Fuck I hate subsidizing pricks like you. The sooner its sold 100% the better. along with lots of other stuff.
    The it can make commercial decisions that won’t steal from the rest of us and it can join the rest of the worlds airlines that are either broke going broke or will go broke.
    Then some sanity will return to the business, Perhaps.

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  14. Viking2 (9,610) Says:

    Further to the discussion yesterday about buses. This is a little comedy in support.

    http://www.youtube.com/v/LuVPnW0s3Vo?hl

    enjoy

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  15. Luc Hansen (4,573) Says:

    This must be reason enough for Luc and Scott to dismiss the theory as an evil plot by Western white supremacists to rob the North American Indians of their ‘indigenous identity’.

    No, no Andy, I don’t think the status of Native American Indians is under any threat because of an almost imperceptible, relatively fleeting, previous visitation by Stone Age Europeans.

    Except for you and your ilk, of course.

    For the record, I’m happy to follow evidence wherever it leads, as opposed to the bunch of warped deniers on here who refuse to accept the findings of our climate scientists of a civilisation in peril.

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  16. Nostalgia-NZ (3,616) Says:

    John Key has made a statement regarding the wharf strike, saying the parties should compromise. He’s exactly right, if belated in what he says. Issues that can’t be settled or compromised on immediately should be packaged and set aside in the meantime while the Port gets working again.

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  17. Steve (3,693) Says:

    The Port seems to be working just fine without MUNZ. The ony threat is from other Unionists in other countries esp Australia. The shipping companies don’t give a toss. Time for the Unionists to look for another job, if anyone will have them.

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  18. Nostalgia-NZ (3,616) Says:

    ‘The port seems to be working just fine…’

    Go figure.

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  19. krazykiwi (9,188) Says:

    For the record, I’m happy to follow evidence wherever it leads, as opposed to the bunch of warped deniers on here who refuse to accept the findings of our climate scientists of a civilisation in peril.

    Shall I. Shant I. Shall I. No bugger it. Waste of breath

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  20. Viking2 (9,610) Says:

    Ha, that’s John Key all over. Compromise and appeasement.
    Same as the great hemlsman.
    No wonder were are so broke and going down.

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  21. dime (6,435) Says:

    Viking – yeah these pesky gold elite members! Spending 20k a year as loyal customers to get a few benefits. Airlines hate people like that…

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  22. krazykiwi (9,188) Says:

    @dime ^^^^^^ :D

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  23. Steve (3,693) Says:

    Nostalgia – NZ The Port seems to be working just fine,

    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2012/03/port-report/#disqus_thread

    Sorry I could not link to anything in Granny Herald

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  24. tom hunter (3,852) Says:

    Reading the Jew-hater’s comments above is to see a nutshell version of what Jonah Goldberg summarised so well about Breitbart:

    … what made him a public figure is what drove him to leap into battle day after day. Andrew had profound contempt for those on the left who claimed a birthright to a monopoly on virtue and tolerance.

    He rejected in the marrow of his bones the idea that conservatives needed to apologize for being conservative or that liberals had any special authority to pronounce on the political decency and honesty of others.

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  25. Luc Hansen (4,573) Says:

    Oh dear, i didn’t realize Breitbart had died.

    Maybe there is a god!

    One to the 99% !!

    Tom, we could trade insults but what’s the point?

    Unlike you, I call for human rights for all, including those subject to Israel’s brutality, no matter what their religion.

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  26. kowtow (4,588) Says:

    Human rights for all? Liar!

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  27. Yvette (2,428) Says:

    Wilmington City Council Passes Resolution Urging ‘Personhood’ Rights For Sperm
    “Laws should be enacted by all legislative bodies in the United States to promote equal representation, and should potentially include laws in defense of ‘personhood,’ forbidding every man from destroying his semen.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/02/wilmington-city-council-sperm-egg-personhood_n_1316924.html?ref=politics

    “any action in which a man ejaculates or otherwise deposits semen anywhere but in a woman’s vagina shall be interpreted and construed as an action against an unborn child”

    This morning the Vatican reports that after a nocturnal incident the Pope has been charged with five and a half million cases of involuntary child abuse.

    Una lex omnes

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  28. Pauleastbay (3,869) Says:

    Yvette

    The Popes got no worries I’m on death row

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  29. plebe (271) Says:

    Just read above.KIWIBLOG where the nutters from the blog POST, thanks Farrrar for giving the fuckwick RIGHT a chance to post.

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  30. Pauleastbay (3,869) Says:

    plebe

    Whats a fuckwick?

    And it’s the ‘canes and the moo loos FYI. Nothing to do with a mutiny or cows.

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  31. nasska (6,684) Says:

    Pauleastbay

    Another sinner condemned by wrist action. You should have remembered:

    Every sperm is sacred.
    Every sperm is great.
    If a sperm is wasted,
    God gets quite irate.

    Let the heathen spill theirs
    On the dusty ground.
    God shall make them pay for
    Each sperm that can’t be found.

    Every sperm is wanted.
    Every sperm is good.
    Every sperm is needed
    In your neighbourhood.

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  32. David Garrett (3,954) Says:

    I see David Tamihere is spinning his killing of a prositute (described for the first time today as “a stripper”) in 1972 as occurring after he “accidentally” hit her with the butt of a gun. The crime is more usually described as Tamihere having “bashed a prostitute to death” with the butt of a gun.

    I know a fair bit about both medicine and a little of physics, although I am certainly not an expert in either. I believe it would not be possible for someone to be killed after being “accidentally” hit with the butt of a .22? Someone more qualified than me may be able to comment.

    I dont know whether Tamihere killed the Swedish tourists; whether he did or not, it is likely the late John Hughes – a well known fit up man – “assisted” the evidence. Regardless, Tamihere is an evil bastard who was found guilty, and should have been left to die in jail. He is 58. Much older men than him have reoffended violently.

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  33. Other_Andy (2,074) Says:

    15 years of non warming, slowing and even falling sea levels, no increases in the ocean heat content, colder winters and increasing hemispheric snows, the missing hot spot in the tropics mid troposphere, a troposphere warming much slower than the surface when models suggest the opposite, increasing (7 out last 10) ENSO events being La Nina when we were promised a permanent El Nino, record high polar bear populations, recovering Kilimanjaro ice and no Himalayan ice loss, and on and on.

    “For the record, I’m happy to follow evidence wherever it leads, as opposed to the bunch of warped deniers on here who refuse to accept the findings of our climate scientists of a civilisation in peril.”

    Too long for a Tui add?

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  34. Pauleastbay (3,869) Says:

    DG

    John Rex Hughes, a very very hard man but I’d be very very careful calling into doubt his integrity in regards his treatment of evidence

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  35. David Garrett (3,954) Says:

    PaulEast: Come on…you and I have had our differences..but would YOU have missed anything at all in a 3X3m one room sleepout when you searched it the first time? And please dont tell me that in your time in the police Hughes wasnt known as a fit up man? Every senior cop I have known well enough to be trusted not to quote them says that is the case…

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  36. Other_Andy (2,074) Says:

    Workers taken ill on holiday will be given extra time off

    Workers who become ill during their holidays will be legally entitled to extra time off work under controversial plans to be introduced later this year by Vince Cable, the Business Secretary.
    Under the changes to the working time directive, time taken off work for sickness, maternity and paternity leave must be given to workers in addition to their legal right to annual leave.
    If a worker becomes ill during annual leave, employers will have to give them the extra time off after they have produced a sick note. The new legal regulations will be introduced in October and the Government estimates that they will cost employers more than £100 million annually.
    Ministers claim that the new regime must be introduced following several European legal judgments.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9119957/Workers-taken-ill-on-holiday-will-be-given-extra-time-off.html

    Next:
    Workers whose holidays are spoiled because of bad weather will be legally entitled to extra time off work.
    Workers who oversleep during their holidays will be legally entitled to extra time off work.

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  37. Nostalgia-NZ (3,616) Says:

    Steve
    11.37

    One ship unloaded does not a summer make.

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  38. Viking2 (9,610) Says:

    dime (4,007) Says:
    March 3rd, 2012 at 11:32 am

    Viking – yeah these pesky gold elite members! Spending 20k a year as loyal customers to get a few benefits. Airlines hate people like that…

    20K actually should be more like 30K but not only are your rates heavily discounted from what you would in your business consider economic but you want more than that as well. If your customers did that to you do, you think you would be on here telling us. And being one of the first to demonize anyone on a public tit you now come here crying for a subsidy for your travels.

    Quite the training socialist I suspect. Next you will want a subsidy from the Govt. for your hookers or some part of your import business.

    You need to decide if you are a socialist or not and if not then pay up.

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  39. Pauleastbay (3,869) Says:

    DG

    He whacked alot and Auckland criminals were scared of him but thats a lot different than fabricating evidence especially now he’s dead, total unnesscessaryand there has never been a hint in the Tamihere case that this was the case.

    He was a Detective Inspector running this investigation witha huge team, think about it .

    John Hughes didn’t convict David Tamihere, a jury did, on circumstantial evidence no less.

    That Tamihere is an evil bastard ,well thats just a given

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  40. David Garrett (3,954) Says:

    Paul: correct me if I am wrong (it’s not uncommon) but didnt he personally “find” some evidence in a sleepout on a “second look” after it had already been searched?? I cant remember what the evidence was, and I cant be bothered googling to find out, but my memory it was some object less than microscopic size…and you didnt actually answer my questi0n about his reputation with other cops…but in any case it must be clear to you where I think Tamihere belongs…

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  41. wreck1080 (2,921) Says:

    Now I see how ACC are reducing costs, that is by flat out denying valid claims.

    Case in point, recently ruptured my ACL (knee ligament) playing sports. Was perfect prior to playing, but it popped and I was literally carried off and directly to hospital.

    Submitted ACC claim form, and they declined cover, citing insufficient evidence. I’ve never really used ACC for anything serious before (my last claim was about 8 years ago for a minor shoulder injury). However, I’ve certainly paid them 10′s of thousands.

    I’m sure they will eventually accept my claim since they are bound by law to do so but they are making it as difficult as possible.

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  42. grumpyoldhori (2,350) Says:

    Garrett while Tamihere should have been left to rot in Pare until carried out in a box you are hardly the one to point out wrong doings of others.

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  43. Nostalgia-NZ (3,616) Says:

    Does anybody know the status of today’s one dayer at Eden Park. Is it cancelled?

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  44. David Garrett (3,954) Says:

    Yeah, my sins are pretty much on a par with Tamihere’s…even the ones he’s admitted to…

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  45. Griff (5,116) Says:

    Other_Andy

    You have been to another alt science site again.
    Next you will be telling us all about crystals and aromatherapy
    Its only a small step from alt science to alt med

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  46. Pauleastbay (3,869) Says:

    DG
    John Hughes’s
    reputation with junior and senior police who worked hard and achieved was as an outstanding detective motivated in working for the New Zealand public.

    The “senior officers” that would talk to you about him in the fashion you descibe, foolishly I might add, would not be worth a knob of goat shit and would to a man unlikely to have worked with Hughes. I say this because they would be fools and Hughes had no time for them.

    I suggest you ring Colin Giltrap and tell him you think Hughes was the type to ” fit up”. It would be an interesting phone call

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  47. David Garrett (3,954) Says:

    …and guess what hori? I dont actually give a flying f…k about what some anonymous commentator on a blog thinks of me…my silly mistake (I have made a good few) for engaging with you…

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  48. David Garrett (3,954) Says:

    Paul: You obviously hold the man in very high regard, and since you were “there” and I wasn’t, lets leave it there. I have certainly also heard the positive things about him that you quote, and that the Auckland crims were shit scared of him.

    And I dont doubt for a moment that he had the interest of law abiding members of the public paramount in his mind.

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  49. Nostalgia-NZ (3,616) Says:

    Review Ngaamu (false confession) Arthur Thomas (verballed) and Tamihere (watch) re Hughes. Also charge of impersonating Police Officer re Hughes.

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  50. Elaycee (3,535) Says:

    David Garrett says: “I see David Tamihere is spinning his killing of a prositute (described for the first time today as “a stripper”) in 1972 as occurring after he “accidentally” hit her with the butt of a gun.”

    Haha – maybe we can expect work of fiction on the shelves soon, proclaiming Tamihere’s ‘innocence’ and painting an alternate scenario where the prostitute killed herself by head butting Tamihere’s gun stock one time too many.

    Of course, any publication will depend totally on a deal where someone gets 50% of any compensation payout.

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  51. Monique Watson (1,048) Says:

    Don’t know if this has been posted by anybody:

    http://www.green-agenda.com/

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  52. chiz (974) Says:

    Elaycee:maybe we can expect work of fiction on the shelves soon, proclaiming Tamihere’s ‘innocence’ and painting an alternate scenario where the prostitute killed herself by head butting Tamihere’s gun stock one time too many.

    Is Joe Karam busy?

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  53. Pauleastbay (3,869) Says:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9119957/Workers-taken-ill-on-holiday-will-be-given-extra-time-off.html

    then there will be the new law , when you get crook on Saturday you can have a day off during the week.

    Europe is doomed laddie, doomed.

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  54. bhudson (3,675) Says:

    ^^ That simply beggars belief.

    [And, yes, I think we would all agree there are people here foolish enough to believe that the idea has merit.]

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  55. Viking2 (9,610) Says:

    Tough job market awaits beneficiaries
    By Brian Fallow
    5:30 AM Thursday Mar 1, 2012

    There were 150,000 people unemployed at the end of last year according to the latest Household Labour Force Survey.

    And the Oscar for double standards goes to … John Key, for A Chance Would Be A Fine Thing.

    Announcing the next stage of welfare reforms on Monday, the Prime Minister declared the current system to be economically unsustainable.

    This is a bit rich coming from someone who refuses to countenance any change to New Zealand Superannuation, which is clearly unsustainable if anything is.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/best-of-business-analysis/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501241&objectid=10788893

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  56. Billjack (12) Says:

    Attention warmists: check out “fakegate” on the web. The climate “scientists” case is so weak they need to resort to illegal acts and faking documents to prop up their failing case for CAGW. Face it boys and girls of the green/left – you have been comprehensively beaten by a courageous and dedicated coalition of opponents with a tiny fraction of the resources that your lot enjoys. That’s the thing with science – the truth comes out in the end. Time to start working on your next scare du jour….

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  57. Dazzaman (1,013) Says:

    Europe is doomed laddie, doomed.

    Never mind Pauleastbay, the Germans will continue to work for them. :)

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  58. Johnboy (11,276) Says:

    I wonder if Owen Glenn wants to buy a rugby team as well?

    Perhaps PG should approach him to broker a deal. :)

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  59. Johnboy (11,276) Says:

    Black man threatens Jews and Muslims!

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/6518903/Obama-warns-Iran-and-Israel-I-don-t-bluff

    Where the hell is Joris when you need him?

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  60. mikenmild (6,863) Says:

    Oh come on V2, next you will be asking Key for a plan to catch up with Australia!

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  61. mister nui (832) Says:

    Viking, you’re a damn fool man. Because of Air New Zealand’s stupidity, everyone is now not going to use them, because their Frequent Flyer program is so inequitable, in comparison with it’s peers. If you had any understanding of the commercial realities of what Air New Zealand has done, then you should be concerned as a taxpayer.

    Dime – I don’t know what my total Air New Zealand spend per year would be, but estimate approx double what you stated, my total travel bill for a year would be well in excess of $150k, and if NZ had a Frequent Flyer Program that appreciated my custom, then they would earn a significant portion of that, as it is, they don’t.

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  62. Johnboy (11,276) Says:

    “my total travel bill for a year would be well in excess of $150k, ”

    How did you get “mister nui” from “Murray McCully” ? :)

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  63. mister nui (832) Says:

    Johnboy, maybe I’m not Murray, but big Gerry…..

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  64. Johnboy (11,276) Says:

    Ah. So its only one flight a year plus the excess weight charges. :)

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  65. Leaping Jimmy (13,655) Says:

    Bear this in mind for this geography:

    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/305497/Vitamin-pill-that-can-fight-off-skin-cancer

    Let’s hope they don’t ban supplements in exchange for a TPP. I wouldn’t be surprised..

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  66. Leaping Jimmy (13,655) Says:

    Spanish lateral thinking:

    http://zen-haven.dk/spanish-town-rasquera-plans-to-pay-1-3-million-debt-by-growing-marihuana/

    At least if it doesn’t succeed, no-one will notice and everyone will be happy and at the end of the day, isn’t that the real point of anything?

    Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.

    Especially with this around: Unemployment 22.9%
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/spains-unemployment-rate-hits-229-7469750.html

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  67. DJP6-25 (1,100) Says:

    Sonny Blount 9:09am. Thanks for the link.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  68. Leaping Jimmy (13,655) Says:

    Values of some people are amazing, aren’t they:

    All I want is the stuff that I always thought, growing up, that successful parents had’.

    WTF does having “stuff” have to do with being a successful parent?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2108477/Wall-Street-bankers-struggling-350k-year-I-dishes-hand.html

    Wonder how much these guys in the article and other people like them have collectively bothered to give to worthy causes over the last say, decade or so?

    Twisted values? You betcha.

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  69. DJP6-25 (1,100) Says:

    Other_Andy 10:22 am. Yeah, I saw something about this on You Tube last year. There was a whole series. Very interesting.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  70. Elaycee (3,535) Says:

    chiz asks: “Is Joe Karam busy?”

    Haha – you could be right! Maybe there’s another book of fiction out shortly – this time on Graeme Burton. Or Bailey junior. :D

    I didn’t mention JK simply because the mere mention of his name here draws out the handful of know-all’s who hang on everything he opines as if it’s somehow fact. And these same people try to rewrite history by tainting the good name of someone who cannot respond – because they were also murdered.

    Rather pathetic tactics, really.

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  71. mikenmild (6,863) Says:

    Poor Joe, I prefer to remember his rugby, rather than his literary, career.

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  72. Leaping Jimmy (13,655) Says:

    How’s this, for injustice?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLUgCO9PTUc

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  73. Elaycee (3,535) Says:

    @mister nui – Agree with you re Air NZ, as I feel that they take Koru Club / loyalty members for granted.

    They were once my airline of preference but as a Koru Member of 20+ years, I was turned away when they decided to charge for a ‘meal’ and for ‘entertainment’ when you booked on-line for even short haul, Trans Tasman sectors. Even the cabin crew expressed embarrassment over this ‘policy’ but they couldn’t do a lot about it. It’s not the additional cost I object to but rather the principle that they want to charge extra for items on a flight when other airlines incorporate everything into the total fare.

    So whilst I’m currently a Koru member, my status will decline over time because I’ve shifted my support (and this Company’s support) to other airlines. The irony, of course is that Air NZ will spend a lot of money attracting new Koru members when, with the application of just a little commercial nous, they could have kept us all along.

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  74. nasska (6,684) Says:

    Although the technology was developed in 1956 it wasn’t until 1974 that Sony introduced the first video cassette recorder with a price tag of nearly $1000.

    Sales were almost non-existent until the late 70′s, when millions of North American men suddenly realised that this miraculous new device allowed them to masturbate while watching complete strangers have sex, all in the comfort of their own living rooms!

    Modern living – don’t you just love it.

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  75. plebe (271) Says:

    You can tell how useless the national party is by reading it in print,I opened the DomPost this morning (a national party supporting paper) and it stated SACKING 2500 public servants will only save $20 million dollars, Pathetic i thought 2000 + families fucked then reading on i get to page b2 and i see our chinese own power line company here in Wgtn is putting its charges up and so as to show us how the chinese do things the charge increase took 3/4 of a newspaper page. The reason i have bought this subject up as i love reading the daily increase of things under johnny BOY key ,what we call a pm.More dark days are ahead for the average kiwi but not for the rich pricks.

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  76. Leaping Jimmy (13,655) Says:

    Modern living – don’t you just love it.

    70 million new pages of porn come onto the interweb every single day nasska.

    Isn’t it strange how there’s no protests about that.

    I sense a latent demand for an interweb porn ban.

    Perhaps one of the Gweens might make that their platform, next election, and see what happens to their electorate vote. Since they care so much about wimmin, that is.

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  77. Johnboy (11,276) Says:

    You are really on to it plebe.

    Do you have a Doctorate in economics?

    If fucking Johhny Boy Key just created another 350,000 jobs in the public service the whole country would become rich!

    Write him a letter right now.

    Genius like yours deserves recognition. :)

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  78. Johnboy (11,276) Says:

    Do you have any ideas what position the Gweens have adopted on sheep LJ?

    Not that I am concerned you understand!

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  79. Leaping Jimmy (13,655) Says:

    plebe what do you think the Nats would be doing differently if the global economy was doing the same things as it was during Hulun/Cullen’s regime and they hadn’t inconveniently emptied the larder to reduce maneuvering room for the incoming govt plus had locked the entire nation into unsustainable spending promises in the form of interest-free student loans and WFF for people over 100k, neither of which were necessary in order to promote education or family well-being but both of which were necessary to sustain Liarbore’s vote?

    The ongoing cost of those actions to the entire nation shows they are traitors, doesn’t it. It does, doesn’t it. You can’t deny it, can you. If so, pray tell how.

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  80. bhudson (3,675) Says:

    plebe,

    I opened the DomPost this morning (a national party supporting paper)…

    What planet are you stuck on at the moment? (We’ll send a rescue party)

    Remember this is the paper that, having castigated George W for failing to win the popular vote for his first term, not to mention the “pregnant chads” in Florida, had as their blazing headline the day after he had secured over 50% of the vote for his second term: “Bush clings to power”

    National Party supporting paper – there’s a billboard in that one…

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  81. nasska (6,684) Says:

    LJ

    Well, it is a standard “Green Party” reaction to ban anything on sight. Pornography may slip under the radar although owing to the huge imbalance of testosterone within their Parliamentary Members.

    With the womens’ elevated levels evidenced by their handlebar mustaches, hairy legs & bass voices contrasted with the mincing gait of the quasi males I cannot be certain that physical sex is possible for them. Nor am I sure that it features highly on their political agenda.

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  82. Johnboy (11,276) Says:

    Hairy faces, hairy legs and baaa’s voices may be a turn on for some of us nasska.

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  83. Johnboy (11,276) Says:

    Ha. 6800 and every one of them crap.

    I should become a Chinese manufacturer! :)

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  84. Leaping Jimmy (13,655) Says:

    Do you have any ideas what position the Gweens have adopted on sheep LJ?

    Johnboy IMO I think the Gweens have secretly decided to get the sheep off the paddock and into teaching positions to redress the skill shortage in the rural areas and reduce gweenhouse emissions at the same time.

    The Gweens don’t care that sheep aren’t the brightest creatures, since they regard we public as even less bright than those animals, given our laggard uptake of the Gween agenda in terms of peak oil, AGW, poverty and all the rest. You see, these are so drop dead obvious to your average Gween mind that anyone at all should automatically be right on board and if you’re not, well, you’re just a bit slow, aren’t you.

    Sheep OTOH are good at taking orders and since that’s very important to the commies Gweens, I’m pretty sure the Gweens have some sort of plan in mind ready to swing into action when they take power, to send them to the Frankfurt Commie School so they can learn all about how they have been oppwessed and downtwodden by their evil farmer masters who are in reality a patriarchal network of male slave traffickers just like the other males are, who aren’t farmers.

    In order to overcome the obvious language barriers, I think the Gweens will be planning to make us all learn how to bleat and baa, since asking the sheep to learn English would be just a further reflection of our patriarchal oppression.

    My govt contacts tell me there are currently feelers out to the UN on this and I wouldn’t be too surprised at all if at some stage one Hulun Elizabeth Clark’s name surfaces as this new interpretation of human sheeple wights wends its way into the international treaty law books.

    Sheeple are victims Johnboy. If you don’t understand that, then you’re not pwogwessive. Not in any way. You don’t want not to be pwogwessive, do you?

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  85. Johnboy (11,276) Says:

    Shit no LJ my real concern is that the sheep are smarter than me.

    The last thing I would want is the buggers getting advice from the UN.

    Should I increase their minimum wage to $91,000 a year to keep them as dumb as an Auckland wharfie?

    I’m bloody desperate. If you don’t know what I should do give G_d a call will you?

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  86. Leaping Jimmy (13,655) Says:

    Just put them up as the Gween candidate in all the local body boards, city council and national govt elections Johnboy. If one or more of them gets elected, just treat them like sheep and play them behind the scenes like a puppet.

    That’s what happens to the real Gween candidates anyway, so no-one will be be able to tell the difference. Plus you get to pocket their salaries, since all they need is a bit of grass every now and then, right?

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  87. Johnboy (11,276) Says:

    Your G_d is a very wise woman LJ! :)

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  88. Leaping Jimmy (13,655) Says:

    I just got the idea from watching Gaweth Hughes perform in Parliament Johnboy. If a human pwogwessive like him can get into Parliament, then any old sheep can sure as hell get into any local body in this country, that’s for sure.

    With the womens’ elevated levels evidenced by their handlebar mustaches, hairy legs & bass voices contrasted with the mincing gait of the quasi males I cannot be certain that physical sex is possible for them. Nor am I sure that it features highly on their political agenda.

    I just wish TVNZ would do a sort big brother series where we peered into the Gween caucus on a weekly basis and saw what sort of stuff really went on. I suspect their breakout sessions would have a lot of girly tears from said quasi males as they tearfully explained just how awful said hairy beasts were towards them on a weekly basis. I can’t understand why they haven’t done it already. Their base would really lap it up. All that exposing of their inner emotions. They’d love it.

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  89. nasska (6,684) Says:

    LJ

    Better still. When they’ve passed their ‘use by’ date you can knock them off as sides of Mutton.

    Recycling at its finest.

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  90. plebe (271) Says:

    Johnboy and the rest of the sheep BAAAAAAAing for national(the rich pricks) after one term the dicks running us should have steaded the ship a weeee bit.WOW its helens fault ,the larder was bare , gentlemen do you jokes work for the national party and decide policy
    OPPS silly me wait for what you sheep would do to the average kiwi, slash and burn and rape and pillage and thats only Sunday, CHEERS you national party lambs.

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  91. Johnboy (11,276) Says:

    Haven’t you two jokers got anything better to do? :)

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  92. HB (213) Says:

    good article
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/education/news/article.cfm?c_id=35&objectid=10789078

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  93. Johnboy (11,276) Says:

    Be afraid plebe. Be very afraid.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orV0ja9S28E

    :)

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  94. Leaping Jimmy (13,655) Says:

    Recycling at its finest.

    Isn’t it ridiculous the Gweens no doubt would be the first to object to this magnificent elegant plan. Thus showing once more to the rest of us just how very mental they really are, in every way. I mean honestly. I bet they do.

    WOW its helens fault ,the larder was bare

    Plebe, it WAS Hulun’s fault and larder WAS bare. Are you mental? How come you haven’t gotten that, ages ago? What is your major malfunction?

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  95. bhudson (3,675) Says:

    plebe,

    Johnboy and the rest of the sheep BAAAAAAAing for national(the rich pricks)…

    Not so much baaing plebe, as pointing out that the ‘information’ you try to impart is the strategy of, to quote Stormin’ Norman Schwarzkopf, “bovine scatology”

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  96. nasska (6,684) Says:

    Q. What’s brown and screams?

    A. Hone Harawira answering the iron.

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  97. Leaping Jimmy (13,655) Says:

    good article

    Yes it is HB but how come it doesn’t talk about what’s different in Finland? Why not benchmark ourselves against that if that’s the best.

    So what does that do, pray tell.

    Factors to focus upon in your elucidation, please. What is the level of homegeneity in society in Finland? Also, what do their parents by and large do which is different to what we do here? For example, what else do Fin parents do besides just care about their child’s education? I mean, all parents care. Duh. Even the parents who leave their kids in the car when they drink at the pub Wednesday through Sunday care. Duh. But as we all know – duh – it’s not enough to care. So what do the PARENTS do? I’m not talking about what the govt does, I’m talking about what the PARENTS do.

    I’m sure you have that precise data at your fingertips, don’t you. As would Warwick, of course. After all, we can’t ignore the PARENTS can we. That would be stupid, wouldn’t it, when you’re talking about how well a kid is educated.

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  98. joana (1,811) Says:

    Council managers at the CHCH city council want to push on and create a cricket oval in Hagley Park..Cricket and rugby are both dying yet the council is spending all this money on them before people are housed..Did out of towners really donate all this money for over paid managers to waste on white elephants..???
    Save Hagley Park.

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  99. Viking2 (9,610) Says:

    mister nui (670) Says:
    March 3rd, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Viking, you’re a damn fool man. Because of Air New Zealand’s stupidity, everyone is now not going to use them, because their Frequent Flyer program is so inequitable, in comparison with it’s peers. If you had any understanding of the commercial realities of what Air New Zealand has done, then you should be concerned as a taxpayer.

    Dime – I don’t know what my total Air New Zealand spend per year would be, but estimate approx double what you stated, my total travel bill for a year would be well in excess of $150k, and if NZ had a Frequent Flyer Program that appreciated my custom, then they would earn a significant portion of that, as it is, they don’t.

    Yeh I know.
    But here s the rub. If I was spending 3k a week plus whoi knows how much time involved I would be looking to seriously cut that back. No idea what you do but in todays world one doesn’t have to go place to place to have a conversation.
    Try finding a way to chop 50k of you air bill and become a little more productive instead of wasting your hard earned time and money on a flying bus to nowhere.

    3k a week is one hell of a lot of flying time where nothing gets done. The USA and back.

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  100. mister nui (832) Says:

    Viking, If I could teleport myself half way round the world to offshore oil + gas rigs, let me tell you I would….

    Besides, most importantly, whilst my staff and myself are doing all this, we’re the ones earning all the foreign dosh this country so desperately needs, to pay for your super….

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  101. Viking2 (9,610) Says:

    Good then keep it up. We need you to do that.
    Meanwhile I’m doing my bit via computer. To old for for chasing bits round the world but can still earn some.

    and by the way you don’t earn it all even if you do contribute lots.
    Still doesn’t change the fact that your’s and mine airline needs to make a decent profit or you won’t have it at all. The less you use it the more tax they are going to take from all of us.
    Same deal as dime importing product cheaper than can be made here and exporting the jobs that go with that. No point in whinging about beneficiairies on the dole when you do that. You have lost thewm their jobs.

    That’s the way it works. Now doesn’t mean we should be inefficient but a level playing field in terms of input costs would make a significant difference.

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  102. plebe (271) Says:

    Has anyone checked out Nick Smiths apperance on tv ,hell this trougher was born 24-12-64 and he looks like crap, fuck i was born in 1948 and i would run rings around this member of troughing and lets not mention Gerry B, the face of weightwatchers(NOT) more the face of KFC , johnboy you need to check out your troughers health or maybe not,
    You are the face of NZ and they mostly look fat and unhealthy

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  103. Leaping Jimmy (13,655) Says:

    You are the face of NZ and they mostly look fat and unhealthy

    Possibly plebe but by comparison to the last Liarbore govt they’re wonderful: I mean, lets start with ugly, scowling Hulun then sneering Cullen then the idiot spastic whats his name I’ve forgotten already then King then Wilson then Hunt then OMG, let’s not go on, I don’t even want to remember them.

    U-G-L-Y is the kindest word, for those “faces of NZ.”

    BTW, if you’re now 63-64, how come you’re still a lefty? Most people by then realised decades ago the left is full of shit and moved spectrum accordingly. What’s your problem?

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  104. Lazybum (259) Says:

    Got a salary increase yesterday. I was hoping for 4% so I could finally earn $100K, but I only got 3% to leave me $700 short. Such is life.
    What increases are you guys getting out there?

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  105. Luc Hansen (4,573) Says:

    Blockquote>David Garrett (958) Says:
    March 3rd, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    I dont know whether Tamihere killed the Swedish tourists; whether he did or not, it is likely the late John Hughes – a well known fit up man – “assisted” the evidence. Regardless, Tamihere is an evil bastard…

    At least we now know that justice is not an interest of David Garrett.

    Thanks for your honesty, David.

    Just don’t expect to be treated seriously ever again, OK?

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  106. Manolo (10,202) Says:

    Undeniable modesty: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/03/02/obama_likens_himself_to_gandhi_and_nelson_mandela.html

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  107. mikenmild (6,863) Says:

    Just read plebe and Leaping Jimmy on the appearances of our politicians. Fair enough demonstration that beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

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  108. mikenmild (6,863) Says:

    Manolo should read more than the headlines on the RWNJ sites. Even as far as the actual quote:
    ‘”Around the world, Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, what they did was hard. It takes time. It takes more than a single term. It takes more than a single president. It takes more than a single individual,” Obama said’.

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  109. mikenmild (6,863) Says:

    It’s not an issue that worries me particularly, but one can see Mr Key getting into trouble here:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6519680/Heartland-backlash-over-Crafar-farm-fallout

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  110. Pete George (17,897) Says:

    A great win Otago (Highlanders) last night at the best rugby experience stadium in the country. Highly positive for Otago. At least in one tier of the game.

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  111. Pete George (17,897) Says:

    mikenmild – I’ve also heard strong support from out in the provinces for just letting the market deal with the Crafar farms.

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