Holmes on POAL dispute

March 18th, 2012 at 11:04 am by David Farrar

writes in NZ Herald:

 I formed the view that the ports company have not been ungenerous in their offers to the union. In fact, even Auckland Mayor Len Brown himself agreed that the company’s first offer made early last September should have been accepted.

The offer would have rolled over the collective agreement and given the workers a 2.5 per cent pay increase each year for three years. There were several offers but early on the company decided it could no longer tolerate its workers getting paid for sitting around doing nothing.

I do not believe the union when it says that it’s a lie that the workers earn in excess of $90,000 for an average 26 hours work. had Ernst and Young audit the figures. And that’s something you notice about the ports’ conduct throughout the dispute. They’ve done things very thoroughly.

The union’s argument that its people ceasing to be permanent staff would mean that their families couldn’t plan things was obliterated by the company’s offer to roster the men for 160 hours a month, and the roster delivered a month ahead. For the life of me, I can’t see what’s wrong with that.

I think the union was dyed in the wool. I think they didn’t read the signs. Before they knew it, it was all over. Nearly 300 men were made redundant, just like that. End of story. I think there were some hardliners who’ve buggered things up for everyone. Hysteria is never a good thing.

MUNZ turned down a sgnificant pay rise and a guarantee of 160 hours a month, with rosters known a month in advance. By turning it down, their name is now going to stand for More Unemployed New Zealanders.

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32 Responses to “Holmes on POAL dispute”

  1. Chuck Bird (4,668 comments) says:

    On the law of averages Holmes has to be right about something. He is wrong on the anti-smacking issue. He is wrong on by supporting global warming alarmist. It certainly now appears he was wrong it refusing to talk to anyone with a different point of view before writing his book on Erebus.

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  2. Michael Mckee (1,091 comments) says:

    If he is correct, then the 300 families should sue their union!!
    haha now I would love to see that.

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  3. Paulus (2,496 comments) says:

    Tauranga Harbour this morning is a hive of shipping activity.
    One container vessel is waiting, say, 10kms offshore circling, whilst another is leaving. Another is, say, 20kms offshore steam up.
    Under an hour later, say, – the new arrival is loading/unloading alongside wharf. Another is ready to leave.
    Like Picadilly Circus.
    I understand that the wharfies love the pay.

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  4. Mark (497 comments) says:

    Yes, if I was a redundant union member I would be starting a class action against the union, for lost earnings and damages.

    The MUNZ knew this was a likely outcome but decided to act against the workers best interest to make themselves look tough.

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  5. kiwi in america (2,434 comments) says:

    MUNZ’s own goal over this issue exceeds that of the NZ Actors Equity over the Hobbit with Helen Kelly making a significant contribution to both PR disasters.

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  6. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    The lefties had to pick a battle line in their war against John Keys government.

    The teachers tried last year but lets face it they ain’t rough, tough and thick wharfies.

    Parsloe was the man come the moment and sadly for him, his stupid little cheer leader Helen Kelly, but most sadly of all for the POA wharfies he has been found lacking, mainly in brains.

    Shit happens.

    Accept the contract POA are offering boys, its the only game in town! :)

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  7. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    “One container vessel is waiting, say, 10kms offshore circling,”

    Hope they have Astrolabe Reef highlighted on the GPS! :)

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  8. adze (1,857 comments) says:

    I don’t think the union can be sued by its own members; the members themselves voted to strike after all. My only criticism of their process was that (from what I understand) their voting was not conducted by secret ballot. That’s stupid.

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  9. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    That’s not stupid adze.

    It’s called checking out the backstabbers so they get to slip and fall into the hold at a later date! :)

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  10. tvb (4,199 comments) says:

    Not a deep piece of writing from Holmes. I have a sneaky suspicion POAL made an offer in September they knew would be rejected and then went down hard against the Union. Meanwhile Helen Kelly is a deeply political person and uses industrial disputes to fight a political war against the Government. She is not that interested in the nature of the dispute, it is the war against the Government that matters most to her.

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  11. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    Exactly tvb.

    Her daddy trained her well.

    We should be expecting more of the same as the lefty turds ramp up their class war against the government this term.

    They know the battle will be won or lost this time round.

    If they win we are finished for ever.

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  12. burt (7,797 comments) says:

    tvb

    Exactly, 300 jobs are battle causalities in a bigger war. I wonder when union members will wake up and realise that they are supporting the union more than it’s supporting them.

    Helen Kelly & Gary Parsloe still have their jobs….

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  13. DJP6-25 (1,268 comments) says:

    MUNZ are munted. Good riddance.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  14. ZenTiger (425 comments) says:

    This could have a serious domino effect, and with a smaller union membership, reduce donations to the Labour Party.

    Shearer’s shorn before he could pull the wool over our eyes. Power to the sheeple.

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  15. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    I like sheeple! :)

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  16. cows4me (248 comments) says:

    Stupid fucking lefties, about time they realise the world doesn’t owe them a living. Are these people thick or what. So I guess we now have to pay these idiots welfare, what a screwed up place this is. If we all used their logic the whole country would be on strike as no one would be happy with their remuneration, shit we could all do with a pay rise but these idiots think that extortion can continue forever as the pot of gold will never run dry. I bet there is some gashing of teeth going on at the moment.

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  17. Inky_the_Red (734 comments) says:

    Wouldn’t it be good to see the whole details instead of small parts of information released by one party or the other.

    What does guarantee 160 hours work in a month mean (details)? A month in advance rosters what happens when ships are delayed?

    And just because someone say over and over again that people get 90k for 26 hours work doesn’t make it true. Especially since one of the non union workers the management use says he gets $30 and hour. Things don’t add up

    And why is it the POT total payments to contractors and workers is higher than POA wage / salary bill?

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  18. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    If you are an unskilled dumbfuck, wouldn’t it just be nicer to have a job on say $75,000 a year instead of dying on the barricades for another fifteen grand Inky?

    Not that I understand the mindfuck games that Helen and Gary are playing on their members of course! :)

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  19. Nostalgia-NZ (4,902 comments) says:

    Pity Paul wasn’t up to date, there is an interim order reinstating the jobs of the sacked workers.

    It’s not unknown that truck drivers and loaders sit around getting paid when they’re not working, unless you call waiting for work – working, it’s the nature of logistics. I think there is some different provision for Auckland bus drivers re down time. Additionally a POT spokesman said some staff there are paid higher than their Auckland counterparts which might be a reflection of how the down time or ‘on call’ time is dealt with.

    When the interim order was made re-instating the jobs I think there was a direction for both sides to quit their sob stories and pr campaigns – which has not strictly been adhered to going by the Board Chairman having an interview with Michele Hewitson published in the NZ Herald yesterday. Maybe the Courts will get this moving this week.

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  20. Inky_the_Red (734 comments) says:

    As I’m not an unskilled dumbfuck I wouldn’t know what I’d want. I’ll just take your word for it Johnboy.

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  21. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    “I wouldn’t know what I’d want.”

    If you don’t know what you want Inky then you are an unskilled dumbfuck.

    Don’t take my word for it. Do what the Wharfies do. Get Helen and Gary to do your thinking for you! :)

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  22. fish_boy (152 comments) says:

    “…Paul Holmes writes in NZ Herald:

    I formed the view that…”

    “Formed the view” have you Paul? Would you be the same Paul Holmes who “formed the view” that he was bigger than TVNZ and could shift his audience with him to Prime, who “formed the view” he could be a decent pilot, who “formed the view” that fucking Fleur Revell was a good idea and who also “formed the view” that he had been an excellent father to Millie Elder?

    Godd luck with “forming those views” buddy.

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  23. cubit (356 comments) says:

    Has anyone asked the Tauranga watersiders what they think about their pay and conditions and do they feel that they are getting a rough deal and are being exploited. It appears that this is one group of workers who couldn’t give two hoots for their working class comrades in Auckland

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  24. burt (7,797 comments) says:

    cubit

    I suspect they would rather work 26 hours and be paid for 40 than actually work 40…. Oh hang on they are shareholders… Oh that makes a difference because they are not solely focused on sticking it to the man and paying their union fees so they can be donated to labour… They actually have some skin in the game… Yes we better ask them !

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  25. voice of reason (491 comments) says:

    Fish Boy – Yes thats right, the same Paul Holmes who “formed the view” that he could reccord and release a CD and that people might buy it.

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  26. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    > They’ve done things very thoroughly.

    Oh they have indeed. They’ve been kind and considerate enough to disclose information about a wharfie’s deceased wife and the fact he took time off to care for her. Now that’s a caring employer.

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  27. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    “Hysteria is never a good thing.”

    Haha that’s a classic comment from Holmes considering his recent hysterical rant over Waitangi Day. The guy has an ironic sense of humour.

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  28. Nookin (3,034 comments) says:

    Ross69

    The information about the deceased wife was probably not personal information as defined in the Privacy Act and was probably generally known at the time. I imagine some of the other employer actions were also widely known at the time. The extent of paid leave was personal info and ordinarily should not have been disclosed. The issue is whether the employee publicly misrepresented the actions of the employer and, if so, whether that justified disclosure.

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  29. RRM (9,435 comments) says:

    Inky_the_Red (550) Says:

    What does guarantee 160 hours work in a month mean (details)? A month in advance rosters what happens when ships are delayed?

    And just because someone say over and over again that people get 90k for 26 hours work doesn’t make it true.

    And why is it the POT total payments to contractors and workers is higher than POA wage / salary bill?

    LOL you poor, sad, fanatical little fulla.

    A guaranteed 160 hours work a month means you know you are full-time employed. No question about it you know you will be able to pay the mortgage this month. That’s a great position to be in.
    Maybe they are odd hours, but your remuneration is VERY high by uneducated / semi-skilled standards so if you are smart you know this is a helluva good opportunity to make decent cash, so you should be happy to get up at 2am for your $90,000 per year.

    When their employer says that is what they are paying, and an independent auditor verifies these figures, that really really does make it true. (Your definition of “the truth” is probably driven by political ideology and it may differ from a lot of people’s…? )

    Maybe PoT wharfies work their ARSES OFF earning their money, and they are worth it?

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  30. RandySavage (196 comments) says:

    I stopped reading after “Holmes on”
    Hasnt he been put out to pasture about 10 years ago? Only here could a guy that thick and talentless get so much media space.
    Only good thing I ever remember him doing was banging Hine Elder, and look where that got him

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  31. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    > When their employer says that is what they are paying, and an independent auditor verifies these figures, that really really does make it true

    What’s true is that wharfies get paid $27 per hour. I’ll let you work out how many hours they need to work to get $90K. But clearly a 40 hour week is not going to cut the mustard.

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  32. Francis_X (149 comments) says:

    Ironic that Holmes is not rabbitting on about port workers supposedly earning $91,000 (that figure is still in dispute, according to media reports).

    In the 1990s there was a bit of an uproar about TVNZ paying Holmes $750,000 pa for his stint on the HOLMES tv show. Folks didn’t like their taxes being spent on a show-pony.

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