Jackson calls on union to be more violent and intimidatory

March 12th, 2012 at 6:09 pm by David Farrar

Hayden Donnell at NZ Herald reports:

Radio Live host has called for striking wharfies to mount violent “militant action” in their ongoing battle with bosses.

Mr Jackson, a former trade union organiser and Alliance Party MP, supported the striking port workers’ calls for eight hour shifts and job security on his Radio Liveafternoon slot today.

He called Ports of Auckland bosses “greedy, filthy, right wing fundamentalists” who were led by a “gutless wonder” mayor.

Intimidation or violence was needed to stop non-union workers being called in to do the striking workers’ jobs, he said.

We first saw some violence on the protest, against counter-protesters. Then there was damage done to at least one car this morning. And now a former MP is advocating there needs to be more violence and intimidation.

Will the CTU and/or the condemn Jackson’s remarks, and say they support peaceful protest only? Or will they implicitly condone them, by remaining silent? For they are the ones who have organised the picket line, so they can’t say it is nothing to do with them.

UPDATE: Jackson now says he only wants the union to be more militant and use greater intimidation, but not use violence, after his earlier remarks were highlighted.

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64 Responses to “Jackson calls on union to be more violent and intimidatory”

  1. adze (1,695 comments) says:

    *opens popcorn*

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  2. Kimble (4,092 comments) says:

    *has some of adze’s popcorn*

    *”Cheers. I didnt think snacks were allowed.”*

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  3. valeriusterminus (242 comments) says:

    Methinks Mr Pearson – if his Melton declarations are to be believed, lives quite close to the Port. I’m sure he heard our “statement by horn” as I transported my family home from a special dinner in Mission Bay last evening.
    Horns rather than Thorns.

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  4. Put it away (2,888 comments) says:

    Warm up the riot squad. Is it too late to bring Ross the Boss out of retirement?

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  5. Nostalgia-NZ (4,697 comments) says:

    Any reason why the CTU or MUNZ have any obligation to response to advice, likely tongue in cheek, made by an independent party, which they have no intention of following anyway?

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  6. scrubone (2,971 comments) says:

    Hey, someone bought popcorn!

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  7. rolla_fxgt (311 comments) says:

    Weren’t rioting Otago students charged a few years back with inciting voilence?

    Surely Willy Jackson is guilty of the same offence, and should be dealt with accordingly. Especially given his high profile, and arguably larger audience than a few pissed students that had been kicked out of a pub and their flats by Police.

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  8. labours a joke (442 comments) says:

    Jacksons a racist socialist asshole…the only people interested in what he has to say should be the NZ Police.

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  9. Peter (1,471 comments) says:

    There’s not enough butter on this popcorn.

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  10. Rightandleft (574 comments) says:

    What he is suggesting is the way unions historically dealt with strikebreakers. The thing is, back in the late 19th and early 20th centuries the bosses would hire thugs to break the union’s picket line by force too. Strikes often devolved into open street battles that resulted in many injuries and arrests and often deaths. But back then the workers knew that losing the battle could lead to them being forever blacklisted, consigned to abject poverty without a social safety net to save them. Today we have a welfare state, the workers are fighting over salaries well above the average for even highly skilled workers and there are no goons trying to crack their heads. There is no reason for them to resort to the violent tactics of a bygone era. Jackson’s comments come across as obvious grandstandng for media attention.

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  11. stiglet (11 comments) says:

    Is Mr Jackson living in the ’50s? Much of the rest of society is not.

    Given that a union takes a percentage of the workers wage. What are they offering in return?

    The tightrope a union must walk….. If the business dies, where does your revenue go?

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  12. Nostalgia-NZ (4,697 comments) says:

    Willie has a perfect defence: he was joking, alternatively that everybody knows he’s crazy, or that it was JT’s fault.

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  13. valeriusterminus (242 comments) says:

    The quotes I saw in the NZ Herald suggested “sit on theirs(sic) cars” and to occupy. Just why did you isolate the “militant action” phrase in your preamble David?

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  14. adamsmith1922 (879 comments) says:

    David, David

    You know that MUNZ are peaceful chaps, Parsloe keeps telling us so. After all St David Shearer supports them, when he is not nationalising farmland. Willie was just exercising his right to free speech, no need to worry after all , therefore it does not count. Police will just move on and persecute Kim Dotcom

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  15. Alan Wilkinson (1,798 comments) says:

    I see Jackson has pulled back tonight and is declaring he was not advocating any kind of violence – only strong non-violent action.

    Pity he didn’t advocate the union deal properly with the employer about six months ago.

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  16. adze (1,695 comments) says:

    Was the Herald article updated ?

    Herald:

    Intimidation was needed to stop non-union workers being called in to do the striking workers’ jobs, he said.

    Quote in post header:

    Intimidation or violence was needed to stop non-union workers being called in to do the striking workers’ jobs, he said.

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  17. mikenmild (8,888 comments) says:

    From the Herald:
    But this evening Jackson sought to clarify his remarks. In a statement, Radio Live said Jackson “wishes to make it clear that he does not advocate violence of any kind.

    “Jackson says his comments on Radio Live today were made in the context of a heated debate with co-host John Tamihere on the Ports of Auckland industrial dispute, an issue he feels passionately about, and they should not be taken as a call for violent action.”

    The statement quotes Jackson as saying: “I want to make it clear that when I say ‘milliant action’, I’m talking about taking a stance on an issue in a strong but non-violent manner, in the way that Lucy Lawless took a stance recently with Greenpeace. As I said very clearly in today’s broadcast, I do NOT advocate violence.”

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  18. Megatron (184 comments) says:

    Jackson always was and always will be just a grade A diamond studded, ocean going 5 star CUNT

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  19. krazykiwi (9,188 comments) says:

    So Jackson directed that there sould be “violent, militant action” and later claims that he did “NOT advocate violence”. Under a post-censorship world envisaged by too many governments, including NZ and Oz, evidence of his outburst could be redacted, history re-written, and we’d have to take Jackson’s word for it.

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  20. valeriusterminus (242 comments) says:

    Adze – interesting – show us your headers !
    Google cache only returns your kiwiblog comment when the “violence” word is included in the phrase.
    ..else feel free to lodge a BSA or Police complaint – they will source the audio, as advocating violence is a crime.
    Maybe the Herald has just corrected an error.

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  21. wreck1080 (3,526 comments) says:

    I wonder how much violence jackson is willing to allow.

    Starting at the bottom, where you simply bash someone.

    Going to the top, where you actually murder someone.

    Where on this scale is jackson recommending?

    Jackson may well get his wish, encouraging violence can spiral out of control.

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  22. mikenmild (8,888 comments) says:

    wreck
    Jackson seems to have made it clear that he does NOT advocate violence.

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  23. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Awesome, surely now their will be demands for Jackson’s resignation and a Police investigation into incitement to violence!

    [CRICKETS]

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  24. valeriusterminus (242 comments) says:

    Why so many posts about “violence” ? and no quotes to source?
    V

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  25. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Jackson seems to have made it clear that he does NOT advocate violence.

    So when he says they need to take more militant action, what do you think he meant? Cuddles perhaps?

    Why so many posts about “violence” ? and no quotes to source?

    What the fuck do you think militant action means? All he is doing now is trying to weasel out of it.

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  26. Pongo (356 comments) says:

    I listened to him this Arvo and that quote is mild compared to the rest of his rantings. Brilliant way of undermining his union mates and burning off any support they have. JT was a bit more interesting with his revelation that MUNZ have 15 million of cash and assets.

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  27. iMP (2,154 comments) says:

    So the accusation is, that the Ports of Auckland management are intimidating workers and employment conditions

    …so, we’ll improve outcomes by doing the very thing we hate and are against, intimidate workers.

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  28. adze (1,695 comments) says:

    valeriusterminus
    “Post header” refers to the quoted section in DPF’s post, above. Either it was altered from the original quote or the Herald article was altered after the post was made.

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  29. Nostalgia-NZ (4,697 comments) says:

    Speaking of ‘weasling out’ where has old gibbo gone, getting ready for the sideways shift for successfully bringing the port to a standstill?

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  30. Don the Kiwi (1,338 comments) says:

    Shut down the port for six months – then you’ll see their sorry arses scarper. That’s the way its heading.

    How longs that popcorn gonna last?

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  31. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    In the meantime his kids go to Kings, he obviously doesnt want them mixing with wharfie type kids

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  32. valeriusterminus (242 comments) says:

    Adze
    I see – I changed the word “violence” to “violent” in the search and came up with these two opposing results;

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10791570 – includes “violent”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10791570 – omits “violent”

    Same objectid – different words.
    The Herald must answer.

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  33. valeriusterminus (242 comments) says:

    04:30pm the herald publishes; Willie Jackson has called for striking wharfies to mount violent “militant action”

    The word violent is not a quoted attribution

    06:50pm the NZ Herald publishes; Richard Pearson has rejected a radio host’s call for “militant action”

    Maybe Mr Pearson clearly rejects “militant action” ? – maybe the the word “violent” was not used by Mr Jackson?

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  34. marcw (206 comments) says:

    Why the hell does anyone listen to Radio Live with WJ. I stopped listening to that show years ago when his racism became blatant and nauseating. If there was no audience, eventually MediaWorks would get the message. You are only encouraging him by repeating his toxic messages.

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  35. Shunda barunda (2,964 comments) says:

    He probably wants them to do it for his own sick entertainment.

    Willie Jackson is a friggin moron, how the hell he ever gained the job of a media commentator and political expert is beyond me.

    Actually it isn’t beyond me at all, I know exactly how that happened with our wonderful MSM.

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  36. Leaping Jimmy (15,585 comments) says:

    In the meantime his kids go to Kings, he obviously doesnt want them mixing with wharfie type kids

    Of course not Paul, they’re terrible people. I mean, one wouldn’t be surprised if their parents get all violent sometime very soon for no reason at all. How awful! Who wants their kids to associate with children from families like that!

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  37. kowtow (6,717 comments) says:

    Typical HQ elitist type.

    Advocates militant action on the picket line, he sits back and enjoys some idiot both losing his job and potentially getting arrested and charged.He gets to continue to mouth off.

    stiglet . Good question. The union seem to be offering unemployment to their members.The union won’t be around for long after theese guys lose their jobs. But the union heads will continue marching along on members (dwindling) dues.

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  38. OTGO (457 comments) says:

    Megatron 7.36, you do have a way with words!
    Radio Live (actually TRB) wanted our company to advertise on their station. I told them as long as that (insert description by Megatron) worked for them there was more chance of NZ building a nuclear power station on the Waitamata…

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  39. Kimble (4,092 comments) says:

    I want to make it clear that when I say ‘milliant action’, I’m talking about taking a stance on an issue in a strong but non-violent manner

    Ooohh. He meant the other definition of the word militant. The one that isnt at all linked to the word military.

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  40. Paul Marsden (935 comments) says:

    mikenmild (3,185) Says:

    March 12th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
    wreck
    Jackson seems to have made it clear that he does NOT advocate violence.

    Oh dear, well he did this afternoon. (go listen to the tape)

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  41. big bruv (12,380 comments) says:

    What did any of you expect from Jackson?

    He is, and remains a violent, racist thug who comes from a long line of violent, racist thugs.

    Jackson is a typical stinking lefty, he is all for democracy until it means that democracy results in him not getting his way, at that stage he reverts to his hard left socialist roots and starts preaching compulsion.

    In Jacksons world (all backed by his own words) Maori would be compulsory for all Kiwis. Unionism would again become compulsory. Maori would have a separate justice system and anybody of non Maori heritage would be classed as a second class citizen.

    In Jackson’s own words “democracy does not work for Maori”

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  42. Peter Freedman (127 comments) says:

    I have no interest in joining in most of this discussion. I will just observe that the word “union” so long as it is used in a nonsexual context, brings out the very worst in rightwingers.

    In its sexual sense, the word brings out the best. I once gatecrashed a Young Nats kneesup and within ten minutes I’d scored……..the rest of this sentence has been heavily censored.

    Unions are an essential part of industrial relations. Few people complain about manufacturers’ associations, Federated Farmers, Law Societies, etc etc.

    Unions , like any other groups, sometimes do stupid things. Sometimes violent things. So do employers groups and so have the police at employers’ request. Read your history if you doubt me.

    Unions do not exist in splendid isolation. A good union IS its members, they run it and decide what it does.

    Once at a union meeting, some dude got up and spouted about how “the union wants me to do this and that”.

    Suddenly a female voice came from the back of the hall.

    “Quite right. We are the union and right now we want you do to one thing. SIT DOWN AND SHUDDUP!”

    At another a member went on about how he didn’t want to go on strike. He paid the union to do his fighting for him, he said.

    The response was immediate: “You ARE the bloody union, mate!”

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  43. Viking2 (10,733 comments) says:

    Pongo (276) Says:
    March 12th, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    I listened to him this Arvo and that quote is mild compared to the rest of his rantings. Brilliant way of undermining his union mates and burning off any support they have. JT was a bit more interesting with his revelation that MUNZ have 15 million of cash and assets.

    So who are the beneficiaries of these funds and assets accumulated by extorting weekly money from poor working people?
    How many companies can boast $15 million in cash and assets?

    How many members actually knopw that is whats in the kitty?
    Time some decent journo did some homework for us all.

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  44. Peter Freedman (127 comments) says:

    If you want to see how rightwingers regard unions just read the post by big bruv. It speaks for itself.

    I have a complaint about the popcorn. I ordered sweet cheese and all I seem to have got is sour grape.

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  45. RandySavage (195 comments) says:

    storm
    your teacup

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  46. Nostalgia-NZ (4,697 comments) says:

    Jackson is becoming very moderate. In the past we could have expected him to be recommending putting old gibbo and lenny boy in a pot along with a rubber duck to give them something to play with while the water heated up.

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  47. big bruv (12,380 comments) says:

    Peter Freedman

    No sour grapes from me. I love the idea that 300 union members have lost their jobs, I love the idea that this is another nail in the coffin of the corrupt union movement.

    Perhaps we on the right should hold a meeting, we can then intimidate or beat up anybody who does not agree with us. It might also be a good idea to have this meeting at a time that means we can stop law abiding members of the public from getting to their place of business.

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  48. stiglet (11 comments) says:

    Peter Freedman.

    UNION is not a dirty word. It is a group of people with a common cause, working for a common goal. Your examples are excellent, history offers many others.

    What we are seeing is current.
    It is not a good example.

    History is to be learnt from, not repeated.

    What is the goal of this union?
    Is the blame to be put on all its members?
    Or just those who cocked up the “industrial relations” part of its brief.

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  49. Nostalgia-NZ (4,697 comments) says:

    I quite agree big bruv about a meeting.
    I don’t expect free ice creams
    or handouts
    but what will be on the menu?
    I could look after the kai and all the
    alcohol while you lead the beating up of
    anybody that does not agree with us -
    if by chance I’ve left the premises before you return
    expect a call no later than next tuesday as to where
    I’ve stowed the empty cheque book.
    cheers and all that.

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  50. big bruv (12,380 comments) says:

    NNS

    That sounds like a plan. However I have another role for you in mind.

    If by chance any of us should be arrested (and to be fair there seems little chance of this as the union members seem to be getting away scott free with their crimes) I want you and Jinny to assume the role of defending those of us who may have committed the odd crime or two.
    From what I have read on another thread the fact that we might be guilty as sin of the crimes we are charged with seems to not matter much in your eyes :)

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  51. Peter Freedman (127 comments) says:

    big bruv, don’t bother. I won’t rise to your bait. I know what you are. Others will decide for themselves.

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  52. Peter Freedman (127 comments) says:

    Just some examples of violence in New Zealand industrial relations:

    November, 1912 (now known as “Black Tuesday”: Fred Evans, an Australian, was beaten and kicked to death by a mob of police and strike breakers in Waihi. More info can be found here: http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/politics/black-tuesday/the-1912-waihi-strike.

    March 21, 1984: Ernie Abbott caretaker at the Wellington Trades Hall reached down to pick a suitcase left in the hallway. It exploded and sent Ernie into the hereafter. No-one was ever charged with the crime.

    New Year’s Eve, 1999: Christine Clarke died of injuries when run over while on a picket line. She was run down by a large, heavy vehicle driven by a company manager, Derek Paul Powell. Powell was charged with dangerous driving causing death, later upgraded to manslaughter. He was convicted and sentenced to nine months periodic detention and loss of his driver’s licence for two years. The sentence was imposed by a judge who had earlier ruled the SIS had every right to break into your home when it pleased them (a ruling later overturned). Powell had a second trial and was acquitted. Some of the jury were seen patting him on the back and congratulating him immediately after the verdict.

    Christine Clarke was 45 and the mother of two.

    I am still searching for any details of any employer, policeman, scab, strikebreaker ever killed in NZ during an industrial dispute or for industrial activities. No luck so far.

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  53. UpandComer (496 comments) says:

    I said earlier in another thread that I don’t think unskilled stevedoring is worth what the Union is demanding. However I am paused by the revelation of 15million dollar surplus cash holdings from the company. In Dunedin for instance the man who runs the Dunedin museum pays himself half a million dollars a year. All those working in the museum are paid minimum wage, or effectively minimum wage salaries, with no overtime allowance, and promotions don’t equal a pay rise. What pay rises there are measure in the low single digit percentages. I know for a fact that management is terrible. Employees have to attend at least 2 two hour meetings per week without pay, often 3 or 4 meetings, where they basically share feelings. These meetings are ‘voluntary’… I don’t know how to reconcile in my own mind a super profitable company or entity/institution etc with very strong cash holdings refusing to pay it’s workers good wages. I don’t think the Indian man who runs the Museum deserves half a million dollars per year, while the young people working 50 hour weeks are paid minimum wage. That being said I know a company profits if they have low wage costs. I just don’t know how to reconcile it. Someone tell me why it’s sweet for Mr Museum to pay himself what he does. As I said I worked on the docks, and I understand the sentiment of the Union. I really do.

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  54. gump (1,230 comments) says:

    Peter Freedman:

    November, 1912 (now known as “Black Tuesday”: Fred Evans, an Australian, was beaten and kicked to death by a mob of police and strike breakers in Waihi. More info can be found here: http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/politics/black-tuesday/the-1912-waihi-strike.

    —————————–

    Fred Evans shot a strike-breaker in the knee and then shot a policeman in the stomach. That’s the reason why he was beaten to death.

    The only reason the strike-breaker and the policeman weren’t killed that day was because Evans was a lousy shot.

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  55. Elaycee (4,081 comments) says:

    @Peter Freedman:

    Ernie Abbott – “…violence in New Zealand industrial relations”?

    From Stuff (circa 2008): “Intense speculation ensued about the bomber’s motive for the attack. The most popular theory at the time was that the bomb was directed against a particular union, activist or activists, or the union movement in general, although scant evidence was ever found”.

    Mmm – “scant evidence was ever found…”

    But if you have any new evidence, then perhaps you could approach the Police / tell them about it and maybe claim the $50,000 reward posted in 1985.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/334315/Trades-Hall-bombing-remains-unsolved-24-years-on

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  56. Viking2 (10,733 comments) says:

    Pasloe. Is he becoming delusional?
    Seems from what Whaleposts the pasloe has lost his marbles and is delusional.

    http://gotcha.co.nz/

    Union president Garry Parsloe said Pearson’s claims that the port was now more efficient were “nonsense and misinformation”. The port hadn’t had a ship in a week and was like a morgue, he said. “The port has been destroyed.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/6562837/Maersk-denies-Auckland-exit-claim

    Perhaps its time he was put into pastoral care by someone who cares for the mentally deficient.

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  57. mikenmild (8,888 comments) says:

    gump
    When you say ‘Fred Evans shot a strike-breaker in the knee and then shot a policeman in the stomach’, you seem to imply some murderous intent on his part.
    From the DNZB:
    Evans certainly shot Johnston, and in all probability Wade. But why should a normally mild-mannered, unassuming man like Evans carry a gun? People on both sides had firearms. Evans owned a gun, and had said he would use it if molested. Strikers that morning were completely outnumbered and were in fear of their lives. A confident mob, with police and company support, mounted a premeditated and well-organised attack. Strikers were hunted through the streets and into private homes. The violence was as vicious as anything seen in a civil conflict in New Zealand.

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  58. wreck1080 (3,526 comments) says:

    I wonder if violence is a likely outcome when the union and public figures are privately hoping for ‘militant’ or ‘violence’ but publicly condemning violence.

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  59. rouppe (852 comments) says:

    I don’t get why the Police just stood by and allowed the strikers to interfere with people going about their lawful business.

    What confidence does that give the general population that when thugs of a different sort (thieves, burglars, rapists…) arrives at a persons home that the homeowner will receive protection from Police.

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  60. AlphaKiwi (684 comments) says:

    Hey, this isn’t popcorn, it’s poopcorn!

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  61. KevinH (1,129 comments) says:

    Where has all the popcorn gone?

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  62. Michael Mckee (1,091 comments) says:

    I don’t have a dog in the POA saga
    But by Mr Jackson advocating more violent and aggressive tactics.
    He must remember what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

    Where does he live?
    Where does he go to work and park his car?
    His wifes/partners work and car?
    Where do his children/grandchildren go to school?
    and on and on it goes……

    And, he mustn’t moan if what happens to others as he has incited (and now tried to redact :-)
    Happens to his life too.

    He may think he is playing to an audience in little old NZ, but if what he suggests happens to his family and life he mustn’t moan or go to the police as he has already called for it on others.

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  63. BeepBeep (2 comments) says:

    Popcorn anybody

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  64. BeepBeep (2 comments) says:

    Pinky Bar……goes good when you dip it in your tea…..make the marchmellow….soft and yummy

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