Meet the MUNZers

March 15th, 2012 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

Conor O’Brien at reports:

Half of the Maritime Union’s bargaining team were disciplined and two were sacked during collective agreement negotiations with (PoAL),NBR Online can reveal.

PoAL’s organisational strategist Rod Lingard says a series of disciplinary actions made the union look like a “biker gang” rather than a responsible union in the modern era.

“Of the eight people in the union’s bargaining team we have had to discipline four of them,” Mr Lingard says.

Now what were they disciplined for? Was it just because they were union delegates?

Mr McKean was sacked on September 20 for publishing a racist and sexist piece in the union’s national magazine.

We have profiled Mr McKean’s work before.

Mr Harrison was sacked on January 24 after an investigation concluded he made violent threats against a non-union employee and his family, calling the employee a “f**king piece of s**t”.

Charming.

Mr Findlay was given his final warning after he took a letter from under his manager’s locked door using a ruler.

Oh, a thief.

Another PoAL employee Andrew Angus, a former member of the union’s executive, was dismissed after writing the following job application and posting it anonymously under an administrator’s door. 

Kia ora bro,

I wish to make application for the the position of ship Leading Hand. I feel too intellegant to drive straddles all my life. If it helps I can do a month or two on the sunbed- My great grandfather was one of the priests for the Island of Tualvau and he taught them bannans grown on trees. 

Yours the Best Billy.T. James

Mr Angus was reinstated while his case was heard by the Employment Relations Authority but was sacked a second time after he was caught on camera throwing a twist-lock under a straddle crane. Twist-locks are used to secure containers together on board ships and can cause straddle cranes to tip if they get caught under their wheels. 

Good unions work to have safer workplaces, not sabotage equipment.

Mr Lingard says a fifth union member, official delegate Dave Phillips, who was not employed by PoAL, was served a trespass notice in December after he entered the port’s mess-room and threatened non-union employees with violence.

Remember is a proud affiliate member of the Labour Party, and Labour MPs are down on their picket line.

UPDATE: And another MUNZer speaks up to Whale:

Message: u leave cecil walker alone u bastard do u get off on thiskind of stuff tell u what anymore comments about my bros personal life an u r going to get utu i aint fuken jokn etha its not hard to findout were u r so back off

That’s very sad. Not the threat so much – they have a well documented history of threatening and intimidation. But the child like text speak in an e-mail. Please tell me that man is not in charge of a crane somewhere.

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144 Responses to “Meet the MUNZers”

  1. Brian Smaller (4,023 comments) says:

    No wonder they have to use their kids as the friendly face of MUNZ.

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  2. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    So Mr McKean was sacked for not being Politically Correct enough? ;-)

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  3. virtualmark (1,531 comments) says:

    Someone in the media needs to get David Shearer in front of a camera and confront him with this history of behaviour from MUNZ officials and ask him, on the record, whether Labour agrees these behaviours were reasonable, or whether POAL had a right to dismiss/discipline these MUNZ representatives.

    There has to be a large portion of the Labour Party just holding their noses as they stand alongside these guys, and wishing they were somewhere else. It’s time to put the pressure on them.

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  4. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    I see Whaleoil has his very own special new friend from the union too via the medium of a threatening email.

    What a charming bunch you lefties are rrm.

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  5. alwyn (427 comments) says:

    Does anyone know whether Trevor Mallard has been seen on the picket line?
    It sounds as though he would feel quite at home.

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  6. Liberal Minded Kiwi (1,571 comments) says:

    I look forward to seeing which left-tard will come here first to defend these scum.

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  7. markm (114 comments) says:

    Regardless of what nasty people these unionists are , the important issue is.
    They are attempting , with the collusion of the Labour Party and its affiliates , the CTU , to sabotage New Zealands economic interests.

    If our exports are stopped or hindered then we all suffer, just so they can maintain a job where you work half the hours you are paid.
    They might be thinking of their families , but they certainly arent thinking of the other million odd families in thuis country

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  8. Murth (27 comments) says:

    It’s a shame that this dispute has turned so ugly, making the chances of any sort of amicable resolution harder and harder. It doesn’t help either to have blogs fanning the flames because they believe their is political mileage in it. No-one will benefit from a protracted and nasty labour dispute.

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  9. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    Murray – Present!

    Gross smears and generalisations from Murray – now there’s a surprise.

    I’ve already commented in enough threads on KB about how little time I have for these waste of space union thugs. Not going to repeat it all just to appease a keyboard warrior such as yourself…

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  10. lastmanstanding (1,297 comments) says:

    I reckon its time the Gumint passed a law outlawing economic treason and first up would be Unions who use their current power to cause economic damage.
    Forget expecting morons like Parsloe and Kelly to understand that we are in the midst of a serious economic crisis. They are in their beloved fromer PMs own words the Haters and Wreckers of our economy.
    This dispute like all the others we have seen this year is merely an attack on the duly elected government of the day. But rather than attacking the government alone they are attacking the citizens.
    They have declared economic war on the citizens and committed acts of treason against the citizens. What we need is a citizen army to march on the Union members and protest aginst the protesters to show them they are our enemy

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  11. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    lastman –

    I think there should definitely be some fallout for the unionised workers employed by the Wellington port, who refused to do their job and unload a ship that was legitimately trying to use the services of the Wellington port.

    Their actions in sabotaging the operations of the Wellington port, AND the operations of that ship, cost those completely innocent and uninvolved parties something. So the unionists whose deliberate, vindictive, wanton actions were the sole cause of those unnecessary costs, should pay for what they did.

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  12. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    RRM – Helen Kelly keeps saying they are just trying to ensure a good job for their members. I guess if that jeopardises other jobs and businesses it’s not her concern.

    But it should be Labour’s concern.

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  13. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    Pete George –

    It might rapidly become her concern if the shipping company decided to sue her union for damages. I wonder if they can do that…?

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  14. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    More private info being released. Sigh.

    The shame is that the company is reluctant to tell us the size of any bonuses it paid out last year. Of course given the difficult economic times and need for flexibility, there shouldn’t have been any bonuses. But I digress.

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  15. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    (Continued… )

    I think the Wellington situation is quite different than the Auckland situation. If the Auckland port can’t sort their staff out and provide the services they’ve agreed, then that is the Port of Auckland’s own problem.

    But Centreport Wellington, and their staff, and that ship are all uninvolved in the Ports of Auckland’s issues with their staff. So it seems completely wrong for Centreport employees to be refusing to do certain work, due to Ports of Auckland labour disputes, and there should be consequences for those actions.

    It is akin to you or I heading down to the wharf and vandalising the ship, just because we feel that such action is somehow “showing solidarity with Auckland MUNZ members”…

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  16. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    POAL chairman Richard Pearson came across as a dick on Campbell Live the other night. He tried to claim that the port had been “under-performing for the last 10 to 20 years”. Except that they achieved record producitivty last year and POAL highlighted that fact in its annual report. Geez, you’d think Pearson would be a more accomplished liar.

    http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Richard-Pearson-defends-the-Ports-of-Auckland-situation/tabid/506/articleID/26631/Default.aspx

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  17. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    Except that they achieved record producitivty last year and POAL highlighted that fact in its annual report.

    ross –

    I don’t think POAL is content to set PBs in the one-legged running time trials any more, they want to race!

    YOUR useless, feckless, part-time workers are what’s holding them back from running with the best..

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  18. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    Murth: How old are you?? Nasty employment disputes have been around long before there were blogs to “fan the flames”….back in ’51 the government of the day banned “underground” newspapers putting the watersiders’ case…would you prefer we go back to that?

    Today instead of underground newspapers run off a Gestetner (look it up) we have the Standard, Red Alert and that ridicuous white chap with the faux maori tattoos on his arms to put the wharfies case, or provide them with a voice…actually perhaps you WOULD prefer the gummint banned blogs “fanning the flames”…just so long as the “right” blogs are banned eh?

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  19. Evadne (88 comments) says:

    Re. Ross’s comment about POAL bonuses.

    Bonuses are designed for flexibility and difficult economic times: an employer can hedge their bets and pay out as little as they can, if they need to.

    The problem is in the name: “bonus” suggests a gratuitous extra. In fact, they are deferred, unguaranteed pay. People are employed & a contract is signed with a total remuneration package: some of which will be paid monthly (or fortnightly/weekly) at a guaranteed level, but the rest of the salary will be paid AT THE END OF THE YEAR, and most likely NOT ALL OF IT- it will vary not only on how well you perform – but how well all your colleagues and the business as a whole performs. Oh, and if you leave the firm during the year, you don’t get it at all. And you’re salaried – which means you get the job done if it takes you 40 hours, 60 hours, or 120 hours, weeknights or weekends – for the SET PAY regardless (no overtime or penals), with no advance notice.

    So – a significant proportion of your pay paid a year late, at an unknown value beyond your control, and forfeited if you leave, with no advance roster, and no overtime. What would a union make of employment terms like that?

    Argue about the total rem package value if you really have a problem with it – but don’t get all offended by the employment terms.

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  20. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    ross69>POAL chairman Richard Pearson came across as a dick on Campbell Live the other night. He tried to claim that the port had been “under-performing for the last 10 to 20 years”. Except that they achieved record producitivty last year and POAL highlighted that fact in its annual report. Geez, you’d think Pearson would be a more accomplished liar.

    I watched the same interview. Pearson explained that Auckland’s productivity was improving but was still lower than other NZ ports. Do you think it is okay to be hopeless, as long as you’re not as hopeless as you used to be?

    Pearson’s point was easy to understand. You either have a comprehension problem that should have been sorted out in school, or you’ve mis-represented the interview in order to make a dishonest claim that Pearson lied. Either way, you come across as an arse.

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  21. Ross12 (1,432 comments) says:

    Ross 69

    You should think a little before you attack Pearson’s comments.

    “under-performing for the last 10 to 20 years” , could mean that their productivity was below average compared to similar ports. Last year they could have reached the average , so yes it was a record year in productivity terms for them,but still not very good compared to others.

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  22. Peter Freedman (127 comments) says:

    David: Usually I admire your work even if I don’t agree with it. This isn’t one of those times. This is a piece totally unworthy of you, my friend.

    By writing anything on unions all you do is bring out the worst of the very worst posters. I’m sure you know that and do it for fun. Fair enough, I am a bit of a funster myself.

    Firstly some kudos. Unlike Fox News I strive to be fair and balanced. So thanks for the link to Conor O’Brien because it reveals he is just one of many rightwingers at NBR. It is a business paper and therefore can be expected to be conservative. My general advice is that before you ever read an opinion piece written by someone you don’t know – check them out.

    And this is good, too:

    Half of the Maritime Union’s bargaining team were disciplined and two were sacked during collective agreement negotiations with Ports of Auckland (PoAL),NBR Online can reveal.

    PoAL’s organisational strategist Rod Lingard says a series of disciplinary actions made the union look like a “biker gang” rather than a responsible union in the modern era.

    “Of the eight people in the union’s bargaining team we have had to discipline four of them,” Mr Lingard says.

    Now what were they disciplined for? Was it just because they were union delegates?

    Good question, David. Unionists have been sacked, murdered or even worse, sent to Australia, just because of their activities.

    Mr McKean was sacked on September 20 for publishing a racist and sexist piece in the union’s national magazine.

    We have profiled Mr McKean’s work before.

    Mr Harrison was sacked on January 24 after an investigation concluded he made violent threats against a non-union employee and his family, calling the employee a “f**king piece of s**t”.

    Charming.

    C’mon, David, don’t be precious, this is a Maritime Union for fuck sake! As a teen, I worked during the school holidays as a Tally Clerk on the Napier waterfront and learned several words and phrases I hadn’t heard before. Watersiders, seamen, like building labourers, all swear and don’t even realise they are doing it!

    What was the context of the argument? Who started it? What did the nonunionist say? What was the violent threat? This paragraph asks far more questions than it answers.

    Mr Findlay was given his final warning after he took a letter from under his manager’s locked door using a ruler.

    Oh, a thief.

    Technically perhaps a theft, but hardly the crime of the decade. What was he disciplined for in his earlier warnings?

    But now it gets really good.

    “Another PoAL employee Andrew Angus, a former member of the union’s executive, was dismissed after writing the following job application and posting it anonymously under an administrator’s door. ”

    Kia ora bro,

    I wish to make application for the the position of ship Leading Hand. I feel too intellegant to drive straddles all my life. If it helps I can do a month or two on the sunbed- My great grandfather was one of the priests for the Island of Tualvau and he taught them bannans grown on trees.

    Yours the Best Billy.T. James

    Wow! David, just between you and me I did something far worse when I was senior advocate of FinSec.

    My boss was Paul Goulter, now I think at NZEI. Paul is a complex character. As a strategist he is a genius and I learned much from him. He also curbed my fiery ways, by teaching me there were times when the best strategy against an aggressive employer was to do nothing. We did that in a major battle with the BNZ and it worked perfectly. If we had done what I first suggested to Paul, the union might have been destroyed.

    But as an employer Paul could be disastrous, for he had no people skills.

    One day I had a blazing argument with a senior manager at the BNZ and probably said something inappropriate. The manager complained to Paul, who then told him I would apologise. Then I was orderd to say sorry.

    This got my back up. Not the apologising, I was repared to eat crow if instructed to do so. What angered me is that I was being ordered to do so by a union boss who broke the first rule of staff discipline: Always hear both sides of the story first and impartially, think it through before taking any action.

    So I decided to teach him a lesson in IR 101. I wrote a letter on union letterhead and put it through the fax machine addressed it to the manager. The fax politely pointed out I had nothing to apologise for and no intention of doing so.

    You can only imagine the scene the next morning. Incandescent with rage, almost speechless, Mr Goulter strode into my office waving a certain piece of paper I had left on his desk. Sack the bastard blazed from every pore.

    When he had come down off the ceiling I told him I hadn’t actually sent the fax at all. If you knew your way around a machine it was a simple task to make a fax looked as if it had gone somewhere when it hadn’T.

    It took the wind out of the Goulter sail but not for long, I’m afraid.

    But overall I hold no grudges. I admired his strengths and he admired mine enough to once ask my wife, who still worked at FinSec, what I thought of a particular settlement. I said it was fine and I know Paul appreciated that. Of course he could have phoned me himself, or send me an e-mail, but at least he did leave me a message. And Paul if you ever read this message remember there is always a bed available in a house in Brisbane.

    Mr Angus was reinstated while his case was heard by the Employment Relations Authority but was sacked a second time after he was caught on camera throwing a twist-lock under a straddle crane. Twist-locks are used to secure containers together on board ships and can cause straddle cranes to tip if they get caught under their wheels.

    Good unions work to have safer workplaces, not sabotage equipment.

    Absolutely, David. This was just stupid, particularly when he was already facing a gun. Dumb, Dumb, even dumber.

    Mr Lingard says a fifth union member, official delegate Dave Phillips, who was not employed by PoAL, was served a trespass notice in December after he entered the port’s mess-room and threatened non-union employees with violence.

    Again only one side of the story. Some reporters act as if the telephone, fax, e-mail and cellphone had never been invented. If you try to contact someone and can’t, then say so. But not even mentioning any effort to balance his story just dents any journo’s credibility.

    Remember MUNZ is a proud affiliate member of the Labour Party, and Labour MPs are down on their picket line.

    David, this is just nasty. It has nothing to do with the story and is just union baiting for the hell of it. Shame. David shame.

    UPDATE: And another MUNZer speaks up to Whale:

    Message: u leave cecil walker alone u bastard do u get off on thiskind of stuff tell u what anymore comments about my bros personal life an u r going to get utu i aint fuken jokn etha its not hard to findout were u r so back off

    That’s very sad. Not the threat so much – they have a well documented history of threatening and intimidation. But the child like text speak in an e-mail. Please tell me that man is not in charge of a crane somewhere.

    David I once told off a poster on another forum about his spelling, punctuation and grammar. Turned out he was bipolar and dyslexic. I felt about one inch tall and apologised profusely.

    Listen and learn, Grasshopper.

    But seriously, a try to live my life along the lines of Desiderata. If you are not familiar with it, give it a read sometime.

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  23. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    The thing that is bothering Murth and others is that in this instance, the Unions are losing the battle for public opinion…and losing it badly. As soon as oridinary “workers” learned these guys were getting near on 100K a year for BEING ON SITE (as opposed to working) for 43 hours a week, it was all downhill…And in an enviroment where lots of people – skilled and unskilled – have uncertain hours, the “damage to family life” argument didnt hold much water….and now as the thugs get increasingly desparate, as they realise their sinecures are about to disappear, and they wont be taken on by the new contractors, they reveal their true colours more and more…and Murth would have us stop those revelations lest they “fan the flames”….

    Yeah right…

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  24. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    Who IS this verbose Aussie based name dropper who is so friendly with “David” ??

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  25. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    David Garrett – This green-voting leftie agrees 100%.

    No-one I know – either personally or professionally – has any sympathy whatsoever for these goons.

    Halve their pay and double their hours, and then they’d ALMOST have it as bad as Joe Average who they expect to be cheering them along…

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  26. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    RRM: …I know from your posts on here that you are “to the left” on most issues it’s very significant that on this issue you agree with us right thinking chaps…

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  27. TripeWryter (716 comments) says:

    Hmmm … 40 years ago threats of violence against members who didn’t conform were par for the course in some unions.

    In freezing works if you weren’t ‘careful’ you could ‘accidentally’ have an ‘accident’. A colleague told me of a relative who’d been on the chain at a works in the North Island had his thumb sliced off when the boning knife wielded by the guy standing next to him ‘slipped’.

    Everyone – even management – knew it was not an accident but a union disciplinary measure. The guy had been told to pull his head in over questioning union affairs and officials and he hadn’t paid sufficient attention. He was told that next time it would be an eye.

    I belonged to a union that sent me a letter at my workplace pointing out that I was not a member, and that if I wished to continue at that place I was to fill out the application form accompanying the letter and sign the authority necessary for the employer to deduct my union sub.

    I did, even though I didn’t want to. I wrote back to the union asking for a copy of its rulebook and constititution, and also a statement of what subscriptions were used for, and for a copy of the latest annual report. All fairly innocuous.

    A week later a union rep came into the workplace, took me aside for ‘a friendly chat’ that consisted of telling me that union solidarity was paramount – ‘I mean, TripeWryter, if your employer was fucking you about you’d want the union to back you, wouldn’t you? That’s what being a member of a union is all about. All together. United. – and that it wasn’t ‘wise’ to try to make waves.

    Not only that, but the union told me I had to resign from my previous union, which had kept sending me annual subscription demands, and had enlisted the new union’s help to get me to pay up.

    A couple of years later I am in a different part of the country and in a job where I am back with the ‘old’ union I’d had to resign from. There were two long strikes each of about a fortnight during the next 10 years. The first one didn’t worry me too much because I wasn’t married. The second one, and now I had a wife and small children … if a couple of friends hadn’t helped us with food and money we would have been in the shit.

    I never really knew what they were about, in the end. The second one took me two years to recover our financial position.

    I do believe in unions, actually, as a counterbalance for unscrupulous bosses. And there are a few around. Similarly, some unionists seemed to be in it for the ego, power, and pursuit of political or ideological aims.

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  28. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    trypewryter: Well said…the voice of a man who has seen how the bastards operate from inside…the joke is half these leftie pussies whining about supporting the wharfies “struggle” would think they were on another planet if they ever found themselves in a meatworks or a big construction site…

    As for the money thing, I remember a big construction dispute in the South Island about 10 or 15 years ago over some stupid amount…someone did a calculation that even if the bosses paid the money the next day it would take the workers 20 years or something (on a construction job which by definition only has a finite life) to make up the money they had lost in a strike which went on for weeks..

    The guys who suffered were not the Parsloes of the world, but guys like you were then, with young families and commitments.

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  29. TripeWryter (716 comments) says:

    David Garrett: the ‘name-dropper’ is Peter Freedman. He might be the same Peter Freedman who was an official in a New Zealand union I was a member of. I don’t recall him being corrupt or overbearing or bullying.

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  30. Graeme Edgeler (3,289 comments) says:

    someone did a calculation that even if the bosses paid the money the next day it would take the workers 20 years or something (on a construction job which by definition only has a finite life)

    Construction jobs may have a finite life, but that’s not the same thing as a definite life. If the two-week strike delayed the project by two weeks, then the workers may have just delayed their income, rather than missed getting it.

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  31. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    Graeme: You pedant! I really can’t remember the details now, its probably closer to 15 years ago than 10…but it went on for weeks if not months… a dam construction job down south I think it was…in any event, there is no way they would ever have made it up… again from memory the Union – meaning the officials – acknowledged that the calcuation was correct, but said the principle was more important…easy for them; guys in Trypewriter’s position were just trying to pay the bloody mortgage..

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  32. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    And your logic is faulty Graeme…if they strike for two weeks without pay (all strikes are without pay) they have to work a damn sight longer than two weeks at the new rate to make up the lost pay…a bit like a shop which loses an item to a shoplifter…they will have to sell 10 or 20 of those items to make up the loss..its the whole value lost, not the profit margin…

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  33. Peter Freedman (127 comments) says:

    David Garrett: Normally I don’t insult people when posting under my real name. But as your standards are nowhere near my own, then I’ll play in the swamp with you for a while.

    Firstly you clearly have a hide of two dozen elephaants. Any decent person (and of course any decent person wouldn’t have done even half the immoral and illegal tricks you have) would pull the covers over his head and never come out into proper society ever again. But you seem to revel in your sins. That says you are a man with no morals, no integrity and no shame.

    Secondly you only come here to abuse others. That shows you hate yourself and have no self esteem.

    Thirdly people who know you, or even know about you, all seem to agree that you become even more vicious and subhuman when you drink.

    David, are you drunk right now?

    TrypeWryter, if you worked in any financial institution during the 90s and early 2000s, yep that’s me. Thank you and hope you have found the exit by now.

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  34. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    > I watched the same interview. Pearson explained that Auckland’s productivity was improving but was still lower than other NZ ports.

    Think about it logically, davidp. If last year was a record year, then presumably – if what you say is true – productivity was even lower in previous years at POAL compared with other ports. So where was POAL demanding greater flexibility then? Your claim makes no sense. Clearly, POAL has another agenda.

    Again, it’s telling that POAL refuses to release any details about bonuses that may have been paid to management, but it’s quite happy to see personal information about individual wharfies to be released to a blogger. Surely, you’re smart enough to see what’s going on.

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  35. Peter Freedman (127 comments) says:

    David Garrett (1,021) Says:

    March 15th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
    And your logic is faulty Graeme…if they strike for two weeks without pay (all strikes are without pay) they have to work a damn sight longer than two weeks at the new rate to make up the lost pay…a bit like a shop which loses an item to a shoplifter…they will have to sell 10 or 20 of those items to make up the loss..its the whole value lost, not the profit margin…

    Utter bullshiit. I have been paid for going on strike more than once.

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  36. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    Mr Freedman: dont believe everything you read in the papers or the glossy mags son…yeah, you’re right; I hate myself…I am just waiting for the hair shirt to irritate me beyond endurance and I will slip outside for a little self flagellation…it was those nasty Marist Brothers who done me wrong….what’s your excuse?

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  37. Peter Freedman (127 comments) says:

    David Garrett (1,021) Says:

    March 15th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
    RRM: …I know from your posts on here that you are “to the left” on most issues it’s very significant that on this issue you agree with us right thinking chaps…

    What this proves is simply that RRM is a thinking and discerning man who recognises that black is sometimes white that as been covered up in dirt.

    This man has a brain, David, he thinks rather than just reacting.

    You want to try this sometimes.

    Always remember that the best way to find something is to stop looking for it. Stop searching for brains and who knows what might happen!

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  38. kiwi in america (2,454 comments) says:

    Peter Freedman
    In your long winded quest to be fair and balanced I’m assuming that you’ll report about the fact that the union still stuck to the propognada that its members only made $56k a year even after the independent audit report from Deloittes proved the POAL’s claim of $91k was correct. I’m assuming you’ll also support Cameron Slater’s balancing Cecil Walker’s version of what the POAL was like as an employer to him with the truth of how he was treated. Needless to say you’ll also call out Helen Kelly’s on her false assertion that no MUNZ picketers were illegally preventing other parties unrelated to the dispute from entering the port despite TV footage to the contrary.

    No – what you wrote was a pathetic defense of the union team who were facing discipline by minimizing their conduct that led to the write ups. You gloss over the sabotage as if it never happened and then shriek like a vampire facing garlic and a cross when David points out the truth of MUNZ’s affiliation with the Labour Party.

    You’re a pro union hack trying to pass yourself off as some reasonable neutral commentator. Middle NZ aint buying the union spin and no longer can the threats, intimidation and nasty tactics be covered up by left leaning media types sympathetic to the union’s cause.

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  39. Peter Freedman (127 comments) says:

    David Garrett (1,022) Says:

    March 15th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
    Mr Freedman: dont believe everything you read in the papers or the glossy mags son…yeah, you’re right; I hate myself…I am just waiting for the hair shirt to irritate me beyond endurance and I will slip outside for a little self flagellation…it was those nasty Marist Brothers who done me wrong….what’s your excuse?

    Mr Garrett: I worked for papers and occasionally even glossy magazines, so I know which end is up.

    You should too. You are so far up your own end that not even your little pinky is showing.

    So your into self flagellation, huh? And yet you still like yourself, do you flagellate lovingly or some other way.

    The Marist Brothers did nothing for me or to me, I am a Jew. I am what I am, I like myself so many others like me, too.

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  40. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Peter Freedman to DPF “By writing anything on unions all you do is bring out the worst of the very worst posters. I’m sure you know that and do it for fun.”

    Are you suggesting DPF shouldn’t enjoy the freedom of speech to post about unions? I know you didn’t write that exactly, but if we applied your standards vis a vis Andrew Bolt then it very much looks like you have a hypocritical streak.

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  41. Peter Freedman (127 comments) says:

    kiwi in america:

    The USA has some of the most agressive unions in the world. What the fuck are you doing in such a country? Wouldn’t you feel more comfortable in North Korea?

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  42. kiwi in america (2,454 comments) says:

    I live in a right to work state – end of problem!

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  43. F E Smith (3,305 comments) says:

    Actually, Mr Freedman, David Garrett makes, IMO, a very good contribution to debate on KB. Notwithstanding any mistakes he may have made, his opinion is always worth considering.

    But being an ex-politician and a lawyer, his hide will indeed be as thick as “two dozen elephaants(sic)”. KB being as robust as it is (which is a good thing), the thin skinned don’t usually last.

    But I must say that knowing you are a unionist suddenly explains your take on Aussie politics!

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  44. DJP6-25 (1,388 comments) says:

    MUNZ are a bit like the Titanic. They’re sailing toward an icefield in the dark, and recently fired up the last boiler. Now the inevitable has happened. Iceberg 1 MUNZ 0. Hopefully the teachers unions are following the same practice. The government doesn’t need to break these unions. They’re doing it themselves.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  45. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Peter F>C’mon, David, don’t be precious, this is a Maritime Union for fuck sake!

    Translation: Unions have ALWAYS been led by racist, sexist, homophobic bully boys who threaten and assault non-members. So that’s okay then… move along, nothing to see here!

    I think NZ’s industrial laws are lacking and the government should be doing something about it. There are plenty of laws protecting workers from employers, but where are the laws protecting workers from unions? I suggest a new worker-protection law should have two components:

    1. Workers have the right to a bully and violence free workplace. If unions are involved in racism, sexism, homophobia, other bullying behaviour, threatening behaviour, violence, or create an unsafe situation with the potential to harm non-unionists then the unions should be fined. And, potentially sued for damages.

    2. Workers at a workplace should have the right to vote to exclude unions and union members from that workplace.

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  46. adamsmith1922 (890 comments) says:

    Dinosaurs the lot and likewise doomed to extinction

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  47. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    Peter Freedman (99) Says:

    Mr Garrett: I worked for papers and occasionally even glossy magazines, so I know which end is up.

    You should too. You are so far up your own end that not even your little pinky is showing.

    All I can really do is second what F E Smith said…

    I am a fair way away from David Garrett politically on most things, but you would have to be either very ignorant or very stupid to not recognise his contribution to NZ law let alone these threads.

    Respect has to be earned. Garrett has long since earned mine.

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  48. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    DG – this aussie guy is a douche bag. thats the simple answer.

    longer answer – some loser who never quite “made it”. he just cant figure it out, hes smarter than everyone else, just ask him. yet, the cash never quite caught up with him. so now hes an asshole union guy who breaks laws and then writes long winded garbage about what aholes the cops are.

    of course hes a “caring leftie”. will never let you forget your past because youre on the right, but lefty shitbags are A ok.

    he is about as likable as scott chris. infact, i think id rather have a beer with SC. at least ya know he will drink heavily and brood.. this peter guy would be more of a loud mouth game show host type.. and he wouldnt be wearing shoes.

    god knows why DPF is lets him post. maybe just to wind us up.

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  49. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    anyway, what i wanted to say was – screw messing with whale oil online! wouldnt mess with DPF either. they will track you down.

    id rather threaten WO to his face than via email heh

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  50. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    RRM>Respect has to be earned. Garrett has long since earned mine.

    And mine. There is a tendency for public figures (or ex-public figures) to use social media as a method to lecture and publicise rather than to interact with people. By contrast, David G engages with other Kiwiblog commenters and always shows good humour in doing so. (So does Trevor Mallard from time to time and I rate him highly for that, even if I don’t agree with him in general.) I don’t know how he manages to maintain this good humour given the vile abuse he receives from many commenters who feign mock outrage about a minor and mostly-harmless incident from David’s past.

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  51. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    agree. its good to have an ex-mp here. especially one from the right :)

    its even good when mallard shows up. we are mostly respectful .. kinda!

    nandor was good a few years ago. surprisingly good. not that he stayed long

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  52. Peter Freedman (127 comments) says:

    davidp (2,253) Says:

    March 15th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
    RRM>Respect has to be earned. Garrett has long since earned mine.

    And mine. There is a tendency for public figures (or ex-public figures) to use social media as a method to lecture and publicise rather than to interact with people. By contrast, David G engages with other Kiwiblog commenters and always shows good humour in doing so. (So does Trevor Mallard from time to time and I rate him highly for that, even if I don’t agree with him in general.) I don’t know how he manages to maintain this good humour given the vile abuse he receives from many commenters who feign mock outrage about a minor and mostly-harmless incident from David’s past.

    david your policy apparently is that if you are going to be hit by a wall anyway it is better to walk straight into it rather than be pushed.

    I wonder which of the following is a “minor and mostly harm lessincident from David’s past?

    PS: You cannot be mostly pregnant, and you cannot be mostly harmless. You can be either or neither, but not both.

    1. Obtaining a passport by false pretences using the birth certificate of a dead baby to obtain a passport. He resigned his ACT Party membership over this controversy on 17 September 2010.

    2. Convicted of assault in Tonga and fined. Although he informed party leader Rodney Hide, this conviction was not made public until discovered by a television programme.

    3,During a debate on TV ONE’s current affairs show Eye to Eye in late 2008, Garrett was accused of turning up drunk and making alleged derogatory remarks about homosexuals, when he said that in his view paedophilia was a sexual orientation which could not be altered, just like homosexuality. This show was recorded in June 2008, prior to Garrett being chosen for the ACT Party list.

    4, As a key plank of his party’s stance on law and order, and his involvement with the Sensible Sentencing Trust, Garrett proposed a “3 strikes and you’re out” bill largely based on the Californian model. However, Attorney-General Chris Finlayson released a report stating that the policy “may raise an inconsistency with the right against disproportionately severe treatment”. Garrett reacted by saying:“ We’ve got too hung up on people’s rights… I’m actually more interested in a victim’s rights than a criminal’s rights. We are talking about the “rights” of someone who has served at least two sentences for violent offending and just been sentenced to a third lot.
    I’m not interested in that person’s rights quite frankly. He should have the rights to be fed adequately, to get medical care and not to get tortured – and that’s it. ”

    5. When sitting on the Law and Order select committee on 29 July 2009, Garrett made the following comment to a group of prison officers making submissions to the committee about private prisons:“ You say that you don’t want to go back to working in this environment — to the private. You’d be aware that given your submission here, you wouldn’t get offered a job anyway, would you? ”

    6. David Garrett is reported to have made threats against Labour MP Clayton Cosgrove after a heated select committee debate.This was categorically denied by Garrett and party leader Rodney Hide, who stated that Garrett had said to Cosgrove “let’s just leave that outside”, the implication being Cosgrove would not say what he had said without the protection of Parliamentary privilege.

    Okay, david, which of these was “mostly harmless” and what do you think of the others?

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  53. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    Peter Freedman – You’ve cataloged ‘most harmless’ for me, while demonstrating your vindictive nastiness. Well done.

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  54. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    right again dime, both the short (douche bag) version and long (loser who never quite “made it”) version.
    Not much I can add but that he’s a hypocrite too.

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  55. Chuck Bird (4,897 comments) says:

    “Normally I don’t insult people when posting under my real name. But as your standards are nowhere near my own”

    So by implication you insult people using an alias. As far as know David never uses an alias. So if that is the case his standards are higher than yours at least in some ways.

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  56. Chuck Bird (4,897 comments) says:

    “when he said that in his view paedophilia was a sexual orientation which could not be altered, just like homosexuality.”

    So he made a mistake. There is evidence that those suffering from Same Sex Attraction Disorder (SAD) can me cured if they want to be helped. I think a group in the US named Exodus has had a very good success rate.

    I beleive his view on paedophilia is mainly correct though.

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  57. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Peter F>Okay, david, which of these was “mostly harmless” and what do you think of the others?

    1. This is the one I was referring to, since this is the one that is constantly raised by nasty-minded left wing commenters here. It was a victimless crime and a fairly minor one too which is why it didn’t attract a prison sentence. However, some individuals feign outrage and portray it as if it was the most evil and heinous crime committed in NZ history. Typically these commenters are the ones who ignore Mallard’s assault conviction which didn’t see him resign from parliament, who ignore the still unexplained incident that saw a naked youth flee the home of Darren Hughes and Annette King in the early hours of the morning, or who think that racist violent bullying behaviour is okay if you’re in a union. Frankly, these sanctimonious pricks disgust me.

    2. Who cares? It’s a minor incident in a country with a less than rigorous judicial system. My own brother in law spent several weeks locked up in India on a charge of entering India illegally. You expect that sort of thing in the third world and it is no big deal.

    3. If you accept that sexual orientation isn’t a choice, then the statement made is at least arguable and consistent.

    4. You’re grasping at straws here. Garrett and Finlayson have different view of the balance of human rights versus responsibilities. So? Is this not a matter for debate?

    5. This is WAY past the grasping at straws point. He made a remark that offended someone. Dry your eyes sunshine!

    6. This is so far past the grasping at straws point that you can’t even see the straws any more. Garrett made a remark that Cosgrove didn’t like? Dry your eyes Cosgrove!

    None of this modifies my earlier comment that David Garrett is an engaged Kiwiblog commenter who deals with other commenters in good humour, despite the vile abuse that is often cast in his direction. However, every comment you make paints you as a patronising man with a nasty streak. Your meticulously compiled list of nasty David Garrett trivia is just a good example of this.

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  58. Peter Freedman (127 comments) says:

    1) So its a victimless crime just because the victim is dead, What does that make murder, david?

    2) Who cares: Well there’s the victim, the family of the victim and Garrett pbviously cared or he wpuldn’t have tried to cver it up.

    3)

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  59. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    Peter Freedman – what a cock!

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  60. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    davidp – awesome. point by point. completely agree.

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  61. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    Well I never! I accused the bloke of being: 1) verbose (perhaps “prolix” would have been more acceptable?) ; 2) a resident of Australia; and 3) someone who dropped names…all of which would seem to be amply borne out by his very long post …and out comes a virulent bilious attack! And it keeps on coming!

    Perhaps that self love he was talking about isn’t as deep as he thinks…Is he a close friend…”David” ? (Almost Everyone else here refers to him as DPF Peter, but hey, among really close friends..)

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  62. Peter Freedman (127 comments) says:

    3) No, I don’t accept that. Do you?

    4) The difference is that Finlayson is usually able to debate the issue, Garrett can’t debate to save his skin, he doesn’t understand what the word means.

    5) Sunny Boy, Garrett causes offence every time he opens his foul mouth, it is his stock in trade.

    If you truly believe that stealing a dead human’s identity, getting drunk and crude, constantly offending people and committing assault are all trivia,you are swimming against the tide of civilised behaviour.

    Nothing you say about your darling can hide the fact that he is a crude offensive creature with no obvious quakities wirth a cent, He also has BO.

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  63. Peter Freedman (127 comments) says:

    Oh Garrett give up,

    Until recently I thought of him as just a more civil and intelligent version of you. I have never even spoken to him on the phone. Our sole contact is by e-mail.

    If David ever comes to Brisbane I would love to have him for dinner and a chat.

    If you turned up I would put you in the woodshed, that’s where you belong.

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  64. Peter Freedman (127 comments) says:

    nickb (2,102) Says:

    March 15th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
    Peter Freedman – what a cock!

    Why thanks nick! Have you been peeking through the bedroom window yet again?

    This is getting boring, its like shooting fish in barrel. Please can we come up with a few more conservatives who aren’t so fucking thick?

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  65. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    Anyone notice how the number of typos is rapidly increasing in his posts? And several hours ago he accused me of being drunk…

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  66. Johnboy (16,694 comments) says:

    Peter Freedman. Brisbane eh?

    Wainui obviously wasn’t big enough for one such as you! :)

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  67. Johnboy (16,694 comments) says:

    Lefties never learn to hold their piss properly like us proper brought up righty drunks David!

    Cheers mate! :)

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  68. Chuck Bird (4,897 comments) says:

    “Anyone notice how the number of typos is rapidly increasing in his posts? And several hours ago he accused me of being drunk…”

    David, that is being unfair. He is obviously not taking his medication.

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  69. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    Somehow I dont think “David” will be inviting him to do too many more guest posts…calling the commenters “fucking thick” might be OK over at the Stranded…

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  70. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    Actually Chuck, in all seriousness, I have just recalled that the man says he is bi-polar…perhaps we should just let him go…

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  71. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    Peter Freedman

    After barely a week of favouring us with your incredible insight & deep wisdom you have managed to put yourself offside with more people than most would in two years. The average commentator here is a professional person & often an expert in their own field. You may also have noticed that it is widely known as a centre right blog & the views of union organisers & journalists are not always fully appreciated.

    Unless you lose your cool DPF will not ban you. You will just become so unpopular that your comments will be ignored or buried. Wake up, smell the coffee & try interacting with others without personal abuse & egotistical raving.

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  72. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Freedman’s a cry baby idiot…ignore him. He must be missing his Mommas tit so is substituting a whiskey bottle from the looks of it….

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  73. Northland Wahine (667 comments) says:

    Peter…dude, I think I’ve probably been a wee bit closer to David than yourself and I can categorically confirm, he doesn’t suffer from BO.

    However, he works up a good sweat in the garden, like a man should!

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  74. Put it away (2,880 comments) says:

    Peter Freedman you appear to be a tad fucked in the head.

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  75. Johnboy (16,694 comments) says:

    Peter…dude, I think I’ve probably been a wee bit closer to David than yourself

    I sense a story here.

    Tell us more Woman of the North! :)

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  76. Nostalgia-NZ (5,221 comments) says:

    It’s a bit hard to get riled up when the list includes a letter signed Billy T James, or reading about inappropriate comments in a union publication – where was the editor? Same with the ‘threat’ by text, that could be opportunistic to add to the list. At the most it all seems a bit of tit for tat domestics, apart from the container lock thrown under a crane – if it is true. The port looked and was very empty today and 2 sides have led to that. Starting to bite into the economy in a big way now and spreading.

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  77. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    Wahine: What are you doing woman? You know what happens in the kumara patch is supposed to stay there….

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  78. Johnboy (16,694 comments) says:

    Did she show you her “hairy man” then Davey? :)

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  79. Northland Wahine (667 comments) says:

    David… All gardens need to be weeded dammit!

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  80. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    Back to the kitchen where you belong Wahine…

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  81. Griff (7,819 comments) says:

    Peter Freedman
    You come here and get all personal and abusive
    Yet you say you are a caring lefty
    Thus you succeed in 1 Pissing us off for your intolerance,2 Reinforce that unionists are bullies and yobbos that do not support human rights and freedom of speech.

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  82. Johnboy (16,694 comments) says:

    Freedman can only be regarded as a shocking indictment on the quality of Wainuiomartian exports to OZ.

    Must be a mate of Trevors! :)

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  83. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    “1) So its a victimless crime just because the victim is dead, What does that make murder, david?”

    we are dealing with an intellectual light weight here guys.

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  84. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    also, what kind of moron takes a swipe at the universally loved Dime after only 100 posts? thats just silly.

    and ridiculously long replies doesnt mean youre smarter than everyone else douche bag

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  85. Johnboy (16,694 comments) says:

    And anyone with a KB handle longer than four letters is obviously sexually insecure dime! :)

    Signed JB. :)

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  86. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    Dime: 100 posts in a week mate….the fellow doesn’t have a very full life perhaps? But some kind person seems to have taken his keyboard off him to stop him making a bigger fool of himself…

    Yes…although I have never tried to diminish my foolish actions 28 years ago, I also noticed the flawed logic of comparing murder with stealing the identity of someone who had been dead at that point for more than 20 years…

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  87. Johnboy (16,694 comments) says:

    The prick used to write crappy bleating letters to the Dompost when he lived in Wainui about the nasty right wing bastards what have hijacked the socialist paradise of Aoteoroa and said he was fucking off to OZ.

    He is a bloody good example of Piggys quote re raising the IQ of both countries. :)

    I always thought the Aussies had certain standards regarding what sort of shit they allowed in. Julia must have cancelled that requirement.

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  88. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    dime>we are dealing with an intellectual light weight here guys.

    Exactly. The bizarre analogy was raised in response to my comment. I was going to respond, but I just couldn’t come up with text that was dismissive or insulting enough. Some things are just beyond parody, and Peter Freedman is one of those things.

    I diagnose a serious case of GDS: Garrett Derangement Syndrome. David G joins such exalted company as George Bush jr and Sarah Palin… people whose very mention is enough to reduce Lefties to foamy-mouthed lunacy.

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  89. Griff (7,819 comments) says:

    Should we say it in a language he can understand.

    Message: u leave D Garret alone u bastard do u get off on thiskind of stuff tell u what anymore comments about my bros personal life an u r going to get utu i aint fuken jokn etha its not hard to findout were u r so back off
    :smile:

    Dinosaur union
    Twenty five years behind the times

    Bring back Masseys Cossacks That would learn them

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  90. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    Steady on Davidp…George Bush jnr?? I thought you were on my side….

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  91. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    Griff

    Read about the halfwit & the email over at Whale’s site. I’d say he’ll be quite busy adjusting the filters for his email.

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  92. Peter Freedman (127 comments) says:

    Isn’t it amusing how, whenever they feel really threatened, the rightwing always tries to get the wagons into the laager.

    I am delighted to gave got under so many thin skins. Remember the role of a true journalist is to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. There are too many comfortable people around here……..

    As for nine abusive postings in a row against one person is that a record? As Oscar Wilde said :”The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about”.

    Johnboy, just out of curiosity how many letters have you had published in the Domion Post?

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  93. Peter Freedman (127 comments) says:

    And as for how long I’ve been here, well, how would you know? I might have been here much longer than you think,,,,,,,,,

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  94. Nookin (3,360 comments) says:

    Mmmm… Has Maggie come out of the closet?

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  95. Put it away (2,880 comments) says:

    Jesus what an ego Freedman. You equate you being an idiotic dickhead with “true journalism”? Pull the other one.

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  96. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    Nookin

    I was thinking the same thing. Slightly different styles but the timing is amazing.

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  97. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    What’s the Domion Post??

    Christ I was urging everyone to go easy on a man with a debilitating mental illness….have you got no-one looking after you man? You are clearly in some kind of manic phase…surely you are not always like this??

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  98. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    Quite the narcissist isn’t he.

    No wonder he gets upset with the police and others in authority

    Also loves how he claims victory with everyone points out what a shit head he is … That’s not victory.. That just means you are infact a shit head

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  99. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    Johnboy, just out of curiosity how many letters have you had published in the Domion Post?

    God that’s funny. Really it is. The causual enquiry. The appealing to the DomPost as an authority. 

    Peter, take a break…that woop-woop you can hear is a terrain alert. And then as nasska noted at 8:07, try to be constructive. This reputational darwinisiam, blogosphere-style and I suspect you’d like to be credible in a few thousand post’s time. 

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  100. Northland Wahine (667 comments) says:

    Sits down with crackers and cheese… I see freedman is supplying the whine…

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  101. Nookin (3,360 comments) says:

    “Isn’t it amusing how, whenever they feel really threatened, the rightwing always tries to get the wagons into the laager”

    I think it is more about the tendency to support people who are hard done by – in this case you have played the man not the ball and got caned for it. Have you never felt that way Mr Freedman?

    http://www.bsa.govt.nz/decisions/show/3183

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  102. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    Peter, its actually pretty well known by now – thanks to your colleagues in the media – that I have my own mental health “issues” as current argot has it…call a friend mate…the responses you are getting are ridicule, not because you have “got under thin skins”….

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  103. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    @ Peter; the Three Strikes law might not be your cup of tea, but IMHO David Garrett has left a far greater legacy from just a couple of years as an MP than most will achieve in their entire careers. For that he has my respect, irrespective of his past sins.

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  104. Griff (7,819 comments) says:

    Run out of lithium?
    Suck a cell phone battery buddy

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  105. Put it away (2,880 comments) says:

    Classic, Nookin. The fearless crusading hero of true journalism is offended by the investigation of his shonky friend. What a hypocrite.

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  106. Nookin (3,360 comments) says:

    Just wondering if mate Darryl Angus of Omega Funerals fame is any kin of Andrew Angus of MUNZ infamy?

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  107. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    dime>No wonder he gets upset with the police and others in authority

    One minute he’s storming out of the country in a huff (http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/letters-to-the-editor/3729901/Letter-Lifting-the-IQ-on-both-sides) while a DomPost journo adds a sarcastic headline to his zero-interest letter. The next minute he’s whining about the country he’s moved to wanting him to have a current driver’s license before he hits the road.

    The first thing most of us do when we move to another country is to find a job, a place to live, some new friends, and maybe a motor vehicle. The first thing Freedman did was to find a new list of things to moan about.

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  108. tom hunter (4,898 comments) says:

    You equate you being an idiotic dickhead with “true journalism”? Pull the other one.

    No, no, no. I regret to say that I think Mr Freedman is absolutely on the mark here. He is a shining example of the true modern journalist. or as I put it in this thread a few days ago when dealing with with his man-on-the-street mangling of Oliver Wendell Holmes:

    Perhaps I should be grateful for being supplied with example after example of the thought processes, bird-bath-deep knowledge, and knee-jerk soundbites of modern journalists. With this sort of capability powering One News, Campbell Braindead and the “Huruld” it’s no wonder they move closer to the graveyard every day.

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  109. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    Surely the man has some friends in this country who can give him a call and tell him what a fool he is making of himself…God, I almost feel sorry for him…if he IS suffering from mania right now, I do feel sorry for him…

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  110. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    Davidp – lmao. Sad lil fella ain’t he

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  111. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Nookin>Just wondering if mate Darryl Angus of Omega Funerals fame is any kin of Andrew Angus of MUNZ infamy?

    Let’s look at the evidence…

    Darryl Angus, funeral director and mate of Peter Freedman:

    Exhibit 1: “The deceased’s widow, Tiriana Turara, says Angus showed no compassion and was dressed like he was “going down to the local rugby field, grey tracksuit pants, scruffy old top”. ”

    Exhibit 2: “The family claims the first thing to go wrong was the embalming. “When we got down to the funeral parlour he started going into more detail about her body and its deterioration and he said ‘she’s falling to bits, I am having to glue her back together’,” says Pitama. ”

    http://tvnz.co.nz/content/590500/411361.xhtml

    Andrew Angus, union thug:

    Exhibit 1: “5. My view remains that your conduct was inappropriate and unprofessional, and [breached] your obligations to PoAL. You breached PoAL‘s values, PoAL‘s Sexual Harassment and Bullying in the Workplace policy, and clause 4.2.7(i) of your CA by behaving in [an] offensive manner. 6. The damage from your action at PoAL has already been done, attending an anti-racism workshop for your future personal development should be something you undertake regardless of the outcome of this process.”

    Exhibit 2: “8. In this section you state that during a previous investigation into allegations of sexual harassment made against you by another employee in November 2010, you began treatment for depression that included sleeping medication.”

    Exhibit 3: “[8] The context of the dismissal includes the recent engagement by POAL, as part of its stevedoring workforce, of a number of employees originally from Tuvalu. [9] On Sunday 7 August 2011 Mr Angus pushed a sheet of paper under the closed office door of a POAL administrator, Karyn Bush. The content of this single handwritten sheet of paper is at the heart of the case and so I set it out in full (complete with misspellings) as follows:

    To karyn Bush
    C/- Ports of Auckland
    ki ora bro,
    I wish to make application for the position of ship Leading Hand. I feel too intellegant to drive straddles all my life. If it helps I can do a month or two on the sunbeds. Next week I can float to Sunday morning of you. My great grandfather was one of the priests for the Island of Tualvau and he taught them bannans grow on trees.
    Yours the Best
    Billy. T. James”

    http://www.justice.govt.nz/courts/employment-court/documents/2011-%20NZEmpC%20125%20Angus%20v%20Ports%20of%20Auckland%20Limited.pdf

    Verdict: Probably brothers.

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  112. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Oh that letter to the editor was gold, topped off nicely with the mocking headline.

    Thanks for the laughs DPF, I don’t know if you expected Freedman was going to make such a dick of himself, but I’m sure glad you set him up.

    So Peter – life obviously not working out so well in Brizzy eh? Can’t leave NZ alone.

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  113. Peter Freedman (127 comments) says:

    Now the right is really getting desperate. Those who claim they can debate, plus the garden slug friend Garrett feel so threatened they will grab anything, a typo even, and then attack me through my friend. That is real gutter stuff. Thanks guys for showing your true colours.

    Keep it up, I’m going nowhere.

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  114. tom hunter (4,898 comments) says:

    I’m going nowhere.

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  115. Yoza (1,879 comments) says:

    nasska (2,958) Says:
    March 15th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
    “The average commentator here is a professional person & often an expert in their own field.”

    Wow, that’s probably the worst indictment I’ve ever read about ‘professionals’. Its as if you have not read the comments here at all. This site is a security blanket for paranoid bigots, …’professionals'; pfft.

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  116. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    “I’m going nowhere.”

    We know.

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  117. Peter Freedman (127 comments) says:

    The more I see of the attack dogs, snarling and snapping, none capable of going for the throat because they are too scared they’ll get damaged, waiting for someone else to actually do something because, like any bunch of bullies they are really cowards…….the more I enjoy it.

    To misquote Dickens, I am that last piece of beef stuck between your teeth. You try and try, but somehow you just can’t quite dislodge it and it annoys the hell out of you…….

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  118. Put it away (2,880 comments) says:

    Jesus Christ, In his own mind he actually thinks he’s winning.

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  119. labrator (1,850 comments) says:

    Read more than I write here and I too would like to echo earlier sentiments that David Garrett’s input here is much appreciated.

    Which is more than I can say for our latest grammatically capable philu. What is it with cheapshots from Brisbane?

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  120. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Winning what? I think he’s just happy to have people engage with him, perhaps he’s having trouble making friends in Brisbane.

    He really does remind me of Maggie. Too much.

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  121. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Ah yes, Maggie was in Brisbane too. What a co-inky-dinky.

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/11/principals_behind_boards_campaign.html#comment-762572

    Maggie (674) Says:
    November 5th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
    lofty, I arrived in Brisbane about four months ago.

    Matches the letter to the editor timing perfectly.

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  122. Peter Freedman (127 comments) says:

    If I’m losing why do you continue to attack me? You are either bullies or cowards. Which is it?

    Put it away, mate, Its far too small to be a penis.

    No I’m not Maggie. I know this site because I visited it from time to time when I felt a need to be reminded just how low the scumbags of the right are prepared to go.

    David Garrett (1,047) Says:

    March 15th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
    Anyone notice how the number of typos is rapidly increasing in his posts? And several hours ago he accused me of being drunk…

    David like Mr Magoo, you’ve done it again! I suffer from cataracts, sport. So in the evenings my eyesight sometimes goes a little wonky.

    You didn’t think of that before you waded in, did you? I wonder why. And I’ll take the apology for granted. If you were ever to apologise to all the people you have hurt in your sad life it would take far longer than you have got.

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  123. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Not buying it Maggie. You’ve exactly the personality that would try and deny it, but you’ve been snapped.

    I have some spare time in the next couple of days, I’ll do a full expose in due course.

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  124. Peter Freedman (127 comments) says:

    David, I am not surprised you have a mental illness, all the clues are there. Either you are not taking your medication or are on the wrong stuiff.

    Either way, you need to go back to your shrink.

    And while you are there you might like to ask her about some of your other little problems.

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  125. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    “Cataracts”…..is that a single malt or double….?

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  126. Nostalgia-NZ (5,221 comments) says:

    Meanwhile we have an economy burning that we’ve all got a stake in. At some point it doesn’t matter whose fault it is, the port needs to be working and let the argument go on else where in the interim.

    ‘Nostalgia-NZ (658) Says:
    March 15th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
    It’s a bit hard to get riled up when the list includes a letter signed Billy T James, or reading about inappropriate comments in a union publication – where was the editor? Same with the ‘threat’ by text, that could be opportunistic to add to the list. At the most it all seems a bit of tit for tat domestics, apart from the container lock thrown under a crane – if it is true. The port looked and was very empty today and 2 sides have led to that. Starting to bite into the economy in a big way now and spreading.’

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  127. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    So…perhaps our manic trans tasman friend will now sleep for two days…poor fellow…

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  128. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    The more I see of the attack dogs, snarling and snapping, none capable of going for the throat because they are too scared they’ll get damaged, waiting for someone else to actually do something because, like any bunch of bullies they are really cowards…….the more I enjoy it.

    Does anyone else see the irony of Peter Freedman bitching and moaning about the “attack dogs”, having just one post earlier talked about “the garden slug friend Garrett”?

    Pot; meet kettle.

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  129. Peter Freedman (127 comments) says:

    KS, look up the meaning of the word “enjoy”. I don’t think you will “bitching” or “whining” there.

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  130. Peter Freedman (127 comments) says:

    Right Now says : ‘Not buying it Maggie. You’ve exactly the personality that would try and deny it, but you’ve been snapped.

    I have some spare time in the next couple of days, I’ll do a full expose in due course’

    This one of the saddest posts I have evr seen. This cove is so obsessed with me, he is going to spend his spare timetrying to “expose” me.

    Oh, BTW, RN. I got your e-mail. Thanks for the offer, but I don’t do THAT.

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  131. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    You’re dealing with a lefty KS – they lack the self awareness to recognise their own hypocrisy.

    I’ve been having a read of some of Maggie’s old stuff, this thread in particular where he goes off the deep end about the ‘attack pack’. I surmise that’s the reason he’s come back as Peter Freedman, in his head he’s sure he’s better than us and wants to try and prove it (to himself).
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/11/all_resistance_must_be_crushed.html

    Grown a pair yet Peter?

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  132. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Yeah right Maggie Freedman, the writing style and content are identical (the evidence is easy enough to find on this blog with a site search), a comment from you on this blog matches the time your letter to the editor said that you moved to Brisbane, and ‘Maggie’ stopped posting here a bit before you appeared.

    You are a liar as well as a hypocrite.

    You usually have good punctuation, grammar and spelling. Your last comment seems to be a bit flustered – hope you’re not about to have another meltdown. As Griff said, suck a cellphone battery.

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  133. Peter Freedman (127 comments) says:

    Right Now: BTW, there is treatment available if you want it to be later:

    Why are you so obsessed with me?

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  134. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Freedman – I think you mistake my enjoyment of ridiculing you for obsession. Obsession is when you move to another country because you hate NZ so much, and then feel compelled to comment as you do on a NZ blog. Clearly running away to Brisbane wasn’t the magic panacea you though it would be.

    PS “I’ll wipe the floor with you then force you to do the dishes as well.”

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  135. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    Right Now

    While you are researching the liar you might find out when “Maggie” copped his last dose of demerits. Had a meltdown & started hurling “C” words around a few weeks back. I think it was enough for a weeks suspension & may have been the catalyst for the latest reincarnation of Bullshit Man.

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  136. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Thanks nasska:

    Maggie (674) Says:
    February 28th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
    Cuntface, oh, sorry “immigrant” the day you come home to the mansion and find your butler’s bled to death from having his balls cut off so you can’t suck them any more, the cat’s been anally raped, the dog lynched from a tree and all your jewels stolen and the Ferrari Testa Rossa gone, what’s the first thing you will scream:

    ‘WHERE THE FUCK WERE THE PARENTS………………..”

    Out working dip shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Dingbat!

    [DPF: 100 demerits]

    First guest post as Freedman on March 7th. I surmise poor Peter spent the intervening week scheming about how to get back at those nasty right wingers.

    I really appreciate DPF letting him guest post. My interest in Kiwiblog was starting to wane, but this guy is gold.

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  137. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    Right Now

    It’s one of the great things about Kiwiblog…..just when things get a bit boring & we start rehashing old subjects the socialists send us another troll to kick.

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  138. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    RightNow – DPF has IP adrress vs alias logs, so I suspect this discussion may have generated some, ahem, offline exchange of emails. I hope there are no more guest posts, but I’ve bookmarked your 4:25 just in case :)

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  139. Put it away (2,880 comments) says:

    Clearly the same person. Same utterly unfounded arrogance about his non-existent debating skills, same bizarre sense of entitlement that no one should call him out for his idiocy because he’s a leftist on here, blah blah attack pack blah blah…

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  140. Peter Freedman (127 comments) says:

    Listen carefully for I will say this only once:

    The man who posted as Maggie is a good mate of mine, and no, it is not Darryl Angus. This guy can write. We have been close for a long time and hence we seem to think the same and have a similar style.

    This obsession should really close. It is very unhealthy. For anyone who seems unable to resist, I can give him the name of a good shrink.

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  141. Peter Freedman (127 comments) says:

    Freedman – I think you mistake my enjoyment of ridiculing you for obsession. Obsession is when you move to another country because you hate NZ so much, and then feel compelled to comment as you do on a NZ blog. Clearly running away to Brisbane wasn’t the magic panacea you though it would be.

    PS “I’ll wipe the floor with you then force you to do the dishes as well.”

    Now: If you enjoy ridiculing me, when are you going to start! Clock’s ticking I am waiting…..

    I don’t hate NZ. I don’t hate anyone or anything. But I do feel sorry for hopeless cases and that includes you and David your little pet monkey.

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  142. Peter Freedman (127 comments) says:

    Get help Right Now. Right now!

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  143. Griff (7,819 comments) says:

    Peter Freedman
    Talking to yourself you really are having a melt down.
    best to check in now before something really bad happens.
    Making an arse of yourself on here is harmless fun(for us) I hate to think of you out in the real world were someone could be hurt by your obvious insatiability

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  144. Put it away (2,880 comments) says:

    Freedman “The man who posted as Maggie is a good mate of mine”

    It’s nice that you’re good friends with the voices in your head.

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