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March 31st, 2012 at 9:08 am by David FarrarThe first paragraph grabs you:
A family of 11 are living in a four-bedroomed state house in Shirley, as Christchurch’s rental housing drought continues to bite.
Three are sleeping on the floor. There is only one bathroom, and they take shifts watching television in the lounge.
The extended family of Somali refugees say they are living in Third World conditions. Because of limited hot water supplies, the only shower in the house has a roster.
The kitchen transforms to a “restaurant” at dinner time, the one washing machine is also rostered and scores of shoes crowd the front door.
“In some parts of the world people are living in Third World conditions, but it is not acceptable in New Zealand,” resident Naema Warsame, 33, said.
Sounds like an awful failure on behalf of the state. Why would they put 11 people in a house too small?
A Housing New Zealand spokeswoman said the agency told Refugee Services Warsame’s family could not be housed in Christchurch “because we had no vacant homes”.
She said the new arrivals moved into the Shirley state house without the permission of Housing New Zealand.
So they just took it over? And now they are complaining about it? And they were told there are no vacant homes in Christchurch? Yet this gets a third of the page three.
Hayden said Warsame’s family had turned down three houses in Christchurch because the family thought they were in the wrong suburb or too damp.
The wrong suburb? So you get to compare NZ to the third world because your 11 person family is choosy about what suburb to live in?
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March 31st, 2012 at 9:25 am
I imagine it is far better than they would have had in Somalia. They are lucky we took them in. I don’t blame them for applying for better accommodation but I do resent them complaining about it.
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 9:30 am
The new arrivals moved in without permission I suspect, not the original tenants. But I get sick of refugees with their hands out.
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 9:40 am
Scratch the surface of every non-story these days and you will see a Labour or Greens activist.
With more of an ability to verify, I would put money on that being the case here.
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 9:41 am
Send them back, end of problem and we save money.
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 9:42 am
If they don’t like the conditions here then fuck off back to purple people land. I’m sure they will feel more at home on their dirt floors and crapping in the street.
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 9:44 am
What a lot of crap! A family of 11 in a four bedroom house – so bloody what? Apart from the fact that they’re squatting, illegally it seems, thousands of people grew up in houses more crowded than that. They’ve got less than 4 per bedroom – what do they want, a room and bathroom each?
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 10:04 am
It’s a bloody disgrace!
Vote:Who forced those people to come to New Zealand?
March 31st, 2012 at 10:04 am
It would be reasonable to suspect not all of them are gainfully employed and it would be interesting to know how much welfare this family of 11 is being given by the taxpayer every week.
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 10:07 am
Megatron: I may have expressed myself somewhat more circumspectly….but Well Played Suh! Straight on the first freighter (bugger sending them by air) back to where they came from..
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 10:16 am
Assuming that they are said to be one family – how the hell did 11 Somali people get to New Zealand.
Vote:Shearer could take them back to Somalia.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:18 am
@Chris2
“It would be reasonable to suspect not all of them are gainfully employed….”
And whosoever has Taqwa of Allah, He will make a way for him to get out.
Vote:And He will provide him from where he never could imagine.
Insha’Allah.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:29 am
Poor CHCH people are living in cars. Which world are they in? When NZ state house tenants sublet without permission , everyone gets threatened with eviction if the extra people do not move on. Why are these people being offered additional help? One rule for NZers , one rule for Somalians.
Vote:Why are any refugees being sent to CHCH at present when there is such a huge housing crisis for the local people?
March 31st, 2012 at 10:32 am
When I lived in Oz there were 15 of us living in a three bedroom house, it was great, what are they moaning about? The only real problem was if you scored you would have to get home early, in case you missed out on a bed.
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 10:42 am
Paulus Says:
“Assuming that they are said to be one family – how the hell did 11 Somali people get to New Zealand.”
Well that’s easy.
Vote:You get one of your family members on a plane or a ‘refugee boat’.
Before he lands he flushes his passport and all his papers down the toilet.
When they detain him, he quickly gets hold of a ‘human rights’ laywer .
You’ll be surprised how many of those so-called refugees have cellphones with the ‘right’ numbers pre-programmed.
(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1263103/Gday-mate-lift-Cheeky-asylum-seekers-phone-Australian-police-boat-ask-taken-ashore.html)
When things get dicey you contact a member of the ‘green party’ or any political party that likes to spend other people’s money and loves to rub the “Right’s” nose in diversity and render any arguments about multi-culturalism out of date.
They will quickly get one of their supporters at the New Zealand Herald, TV3 or TV1 on site to make up a sob story.
On queue…John Campbell or Mark Sainsbury.
And when you are in, you are entitled to apply for your family members to join you. This is called ‘Family Reunion’.
Then your husband, wife also applies for his-her family members to join him-her.
Then…..
Well you get the drift.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:51 am
Fuck off home or try claiming refugee status somewhere else you ungrateful bastards.
Kimble is right, some labour or green party ehithead is probably behind this. Wrong city for the race horse to call her media friends I though
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 10:52 am
Boy it doesn’t take long for immigrants to pick up the Kiwi “entitlement” mentality.
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 10:53 am
well put O/Andy
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 10:55 am
This is hilarious! What dropkicks going to the media when you are squatting illegally…
Vote:I would, however, like to know a few things before my taxes are plundered even more (which is sadly inevitable)- One is how many of these ‘refugees’ are actually working for a living and how much WINZ is pumping into that house per week?..another is how many of that house have broken our laws and been arrested since they came here for a “better life”?
March 31st, 2012 at 11:01 am
Compare these Somalis to the refugees from Burma who arrived in Nelson 6 years ago and have saved and worked hard and have bought their own home. Read the article on Stuff. It’s an inspiring story.
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 11:06 am
Seems pretty quick to run off to the media when Housing NZ won’t rent her a suitable house in an area she wants, but not to the HRC when landlords “don’t rent to Somalis”.
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 11:07 am
So DPF throws out the baited line and catches the usual haul of colonial era bigots. So predictable!
And the other David, as in Garrett, would, in my humble opinion, perform a great service to our society if he was the one to board a freighter and disappear to far away lands. The further the better.
Of course, this family ticks a number of boxes for Kiwiblog opprobrium -refugees being in the same category as the undeserving poor in this particular cesspit – the worst of which must be having the temerity to stand up for themselves.
George Zimmerman would be a welcome guest here, I’m sure!
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 11:12 am
I imagine that when people are trying to get out of places like Somalia it’s usually the most devious, bribing and cheating ones who get selected.
Helen Clark’s gone and the Labour Party’s dead. Why the hell are we still taking refugees like this?
If it’s about “international obligations” I’d say “fuck international obligations”. But if we’re going to have to do that, how about looking at the conversion rate of refugee->taxpayer per refugee country. Take people only from countries where the people tend to eventually succeed.
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 11:13 am
Luc- Are you suggesting we bend over backwards for these people and succumb to their demands? In freaking Christchurch of all places? (Where many ‘Earthquake Refugees’ are still homeless?)
Vote:You do realise that Christchurch had a rather large earthquake last year don’t you?
March 31st, 2012 at 11:29 am
These ungrateful bastards should piss off back to Somalia.
Vote:It’s ***always*** the Muslims who moan. They are the same the world over – the most ungrateful, welfare-bludging, scowling, surly and demanding people in the world.
Compare them to (say) the Vietnamese who come here with only the clothes they’re wearing, and in no time manage to set up a business and buy a house.
March 31st, 2012 at 11:30 am
They are breaking the law but then they have no regard for our laws. Noone from housing NZ will have the courage to evict them. As I said , one law for somalis , one law for others..Their cousins in Hamilton are all sitting around smoking that shyte they smoke waiting for the great day when NZ comes under sharia law. They said so on the telly.
Vote:What was wrong with the suburbs they turned their noses up at ? Too far from the mosque? Too far from Turners Car Auction? Too far from CHCH women’s or what?
March 31st, 2012 at 11:40 am
Fascinating how quickly gratitude succumbs to the cancer that is entitlement
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 11:44 am
And you know what is the worst?
“They have to take shifts watching television in the lounge.”
Can’t the New Zealand tax payer supply them with a proper 65″ plasma television?
Vote:It must be a human right to be able to have access to a proper TV paid for by somebody else?
And access to Al-Jazeera……
March 31st, 2012 at 11:46 am
He would at least get a fair trial, instead of being assumed guilty because of the relative tone of his skin.
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 11:54 am
lol @ luc
i love how its always “racism” with this douche bag.
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 11:59 am
You know what puzzles me Luc?
Vote:Why would those people leave their own country they ‘cleansed’ from the evil colonial, western and christian influences and live in a mainly ‘western’ capitalist country with so may evil white and christian people?
It must be paradise in Somalia.
No white people, no Jews, no christians, no Americans, no ‘corporations’, no mining, no AGW causing industry.
Your kind of country Luc.
March 31st, 2012 at 12:06 pm
A family of eleven needs a lot of space.
Vote:They come here to use us, and bring strange attitude.
Some years ago I used to tenant overseas people in my rental home.
I lost so much money I can not count.
I rented to Koreans who were good, and I rented to India who poured curry from one end to the other and wrecked my property.
I gave up.
Now I rent only to Westerners.
No Somali apply
March 31st, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Another bloody import with their snout in the public trough. Straight off the boat, on the dole and wanting more. Never mind in another 2 years all their relations will be over here in droves and sucking our fragile economy dry.
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 12:09 pm
@dime
I love how its always “racism”
Because Luc is a race-baiter and a racist, he assumes everybody thinks the same as he does.
Vote:Our hostility towards this group doesn’t have anything to do with the way they behave.
Somalis are black so we must be hostile because they are black.
March 31st, 2012 at 12:27 pm
A bigger and better question for people here is whether or not Gerry Brownlee will have the courage to intervene to make sure that the basic rights of human beings to a house roof over their heads is met by the market. The problem with “the market” is it is not a humanitarian concept and has no concept – and never will – of fundamental human needs. It is an economic concept only.
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Refugee’s or no refugee’s you have a number of locals unable to find themselves liveable housing.
Now, I know a lot of people don’t like tax hikes, but if we don’t nip this Christchurch housing problem in the bud now, we might be paying more money later on to deal with the social consequences of not having dealt with the housing problem when we should have.
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 12:38 pm
geo_kiwi – ever find anything you needed at a supermarket?
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 12:57 pm
to geo kiwi,
Vote:import this
we own this country,
this is our country
March 31st, 2012 at 1:11 pm
They should go back to thier wonderful country of Somalia. They sound like a right bunch of losers.
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 1:17 pm
@geokiwi
Housing supply problem in Chch (and NZ in general) has more to do with RMA and local govt regulation strangling affordable land and thus housing supply. Rather than anything to do with people not paying sufficient tax.
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 1:54 pm
To PQ, you would do well to remember this:
I said refugees or no refugee’s, there are a number of people in Christchurch needing housing. If you understood that, then you would understand that the housing problem has nothing to do with refugee’s. They are here, but the problem is much more than just the refugee’s from Somalia. It’s a Christchurch problem.
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 2:07 pm
To V, I disagree. Part of the problem is also that developers will not build affordable housing if they can get off the hook, since it is not such a big money spinner for them.
If you were a local government planner charged with giving effect to the R.M.A. requirements through the various planning tools, would you give the go ahead to build a subdivision on soils known to be a liquefaction risk? The Christchurch City Councl did that with Bexley in 1998 under pressure from developers. Bexley is now a condemned suburb. I don’t see why rate payers should pay for City Council bungles.
I am not saying the R.M.A. is perfect. It isn’t – just like every other law, it is only as good as the people who implement it.
You also misinterpreted my tax comment. Perhaps I was not clear enough – apologies – but I meant that there will be additional medical costs possibly passed onto the taxpayer down the road, years from now when the consequences of living in a poorly heated home, that is damp and has poor sanitation. New Zealand can avoid these costs if we move to assist those people.
Waiting for a market-based solution in that regards is not appropriate.
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 2:22 pm
“Housing supply problem in Chch (and NZ in general) has more to do with RMA and local govt regulation strangling affordable land and thus housing supply. Rather than anything to do with people not paying sufficient tax.”
Yeah right!
NZ has had the second highest rate of population increase in the OECD and many of the “needed skills” are those associated with building infrasrtucture for increasing population.
The only reason you get away with that b/s is because the left won’t stand against immigration.
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Par for the course for The Press when it comes to reporting on the housing crisis which was totally predictable and of course few people thought ahead so the pressure is on. However this story is rather misleading, it could be true in some instances, but this guy has kind of crapped in his own nest in many ways.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/6655634/Housing-crisis-drives-poor-to-sleep-in-cars
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Don’t you just love Luc’s feigned compassion. Only problem is:
1. these people are bludgers who appear to be squatting in a HC house and have turned down other accommodation.
2. George Zimmerman is a complete red herring, but actually yes he would be completely welcome here. A hispanic democrat who works for a living and takes responsiblity for safety in his community. What’s not to like? Well OK maybe the registered Democrat thing.
3. Why is it that pinkos like Luc refuse to see illegality, bludging, crime and any other anti-social behaviour, blinded as they are by the simplicity of their identity group politics? but I guess I explained myself in the fourth word didnt I. Marx has a lot to answer for, but I suppose if we said we were all communists and simply exterminated anyone who didnt fit in that would be just fine with Mr Hansen, because of course, it would be for the “greater good”.
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 2:52 pm
11 one-way tickets to Mogadishu. Problem solved.
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 3:21 pm
NZ should stop taking Muslim refugees.Keep it up and we will have Toulose here. In some respects it’s happening already.
Vote:A lot of legal “firsts” can be attributed to Muslim refugees.This has happened in a short space of time.Islam is an ideology not a religion.It is not compatible with western values.
March 31st, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Yes, we should definitely discriminate against people on the basis of religion. That is surely the way to a better democracy.
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 3:40 pm
This post from Australia puts it very well.
Vote:http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/no_refugees_arent_a_problem_a_few_teachers_must_fix/
March 31st, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Pfft, I don’t buy that vague excuse making. The guy’s being a wanker.
The fact that these people came from Somalia is irrelevant. They are in New Zealand now and are now New Zealanders, therefore the conditions they are living in can rightfully be compared to other New Zealanders.
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Put it away (2,598) Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 2:52 pm
11 one-way tickets to Mogadishu. Problem solved.
Bugger tickets!
Make the bastards swim!
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Who is this (apparently Christchurch) genius geo-kiwi who says in all seriousness at 2.07pm: “I don’t see why rate payers should pay for City Council bungles”?
Why not? They voted for their representatives who stuffed up, the elected Councillors. Ratepayers everywhere have a long history of paying for the bungles of their elected Councils.
Geo-kiwi should be grateful, however, that taxpayers throughout the country are shouldering a fair amount of non-insured cost related to clearing up Christchurch – buying condemned properties, rehabilitating land and buildings and public infrastructure, and providing additional central Government support services for the City. This is as it should be in a compassionate country, and special Christchurch costs will continue to be borne nationally for years to come.
But when I hear voices being raised like geo-kiwi’s, calling for market forces to be sidelined in housing, I begin to wonder how long the patience of the rest of the country will hold.
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 5:04 pm
kowtow 3:21pm. Civilised countries in general should not allow Muslim immmigration at all. Not ulnless they want their cities to turn out like Marseille; or their grand daughters to wear burqas.
cheers
David Prosser
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Kowtow is right.
Btw, mikenmild – yes, we SHOULD discriminate. I use the term “discriminating” as in being **selective** in who comes here. There is **nothing** wrong with that.
Islam is a vicious CULT of violence and hatred. It does not deserve any respect whatsoever – it sure as hell should not be called a “religion”.
If we do not learn from the utter chaos that Islam is creating in the UK and Europe, then we are fools. Would you like to go and live in Malmo, Mikenmild?
Vote:Lots of your Muslim mates there. Does that sound nice and “multicultural” enough for you?
March 31st, 2012 at 5:56 pm
dpj6
And then they give the country clowns like this.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2123035/The-week-politics-died-shame.html
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Good on you, David Prosser – I agree!
Vote:We have **seen** the damage that Muslim immigration does to a country.
I say NO to Muslim immigration.
March 31st, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Stupid journalism. Getting to the level of fraudulent.
Vote:Every time I see a story of 11, 16, 14 in house or whatever.
I want to see what the family income is.
Big numbers of residents mean big total income. Even on benefits. More than enough to solve a problem or two.
Kahui Family were one such story.
Another one is ‘Investor Magazine’
Always showing some lunk who has gathered 5 million dollars of rental property in two years. Or similar figure.
Apparently that figure is not private information.
But the amount of the massive mortgages is private apparently.
It never gets mentioned.
March 31st, 2012 at 7:37 pm
If they are to be sent back to Mogi , the pilots will need to be wearing stab vests..
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Religion is a choice just like it is a choice if you want to take it up the arse. There is nothing wrong with discriminating on behaviour.
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Such a contrast between these Somalis and other groups like those from Burma and Vietnam. Those people come in here, knuckle down and contribute **hugely** to the well-being of society. You will never see their kids up before the courts. You’re unlikely to see them on the dole.
The children from Asian countries are **always** scooping the academic prizes at school, and good on them! They really have a work ethic, and really value education.
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Quite right thor42. We have seen it all before.
The Pommies and their sprogs used to do it in the old days.
Witness Pat Kelly and his sprog!
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 8:27 pm
OMG Chuckie…
homophobia as well as immigrantphobia.
You are truly a well rounded individual!
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 8:43 pm
“You are truly a well rounded individual!
Thank you
Vote:March 31st, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Luc
Vote:I’m sure he has some other phobias lurking there.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:45 pm
Speaking with Landlords, my mates from Iraq, Djibouti, landlords, doctors etc, there is a common thread. Older Muslims with some education are wonderful, polite, extremely hospitable, hard working, funny, nice etc. The ones without much education are horrendous. They pull the curtains, are resentful all the time, ultra sensitive about their religious stuff, hate everyone else. My Mates from iraq and Egypt actually hate muslims with a real passion. Overall, I think it will always be good if they remain a minority, or at least we get the secular ones. Persians are great though. As for Chinese etc they will rule the world sooner then you think because they are owning in school. I moved office for the education research unit at Otago uni. They told me unofficially that Asian kids are just miles and miles ahead of Caucasians all through the ages in everything bar creative English.
Vote:April 1st, 2012 at 12:14 am
These bludgers make my blood boil. They move more people into the house illegally and then have the nerve to complain that it is overcrowded.
Vote:Gee 4 bedrooms for 11 people is less than 3 per room.
If they really consider they are living in 3rd world conditions, they might as well get the next plane back to Somalia.
Exactly what size houses are the Housing Corp expected to provide in this country?
I agree with whoever said it was bad reporting. Why do 11 of them have to live together. How much money are they bringing in.?
Do any of them work?
Ungrateful whining people, talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
April 1st, 2012 at 12:24 am
I always wonder what DFP actually hopes to accomplish with these posts. Blatantly baiting the racists and bringing out the worst on kwiwblog.
Taking the story at face value it certainly does not look favourable, but then again, this is the same blog that never takes anything at face value from the “MSM”. (unless of course it caters for their own very prejudice.)
Why for instance omit this little passage:
and this one
Yet the “Go back to where you came from” brigade and the “Don’t let any Muslims in” brigade is out in arms.
Never mind that nowhere in the article is it mentioned that they are indeed Muslims or that this would be in any way relevant.
I really cannot judge the merits or lack thereof of her claims, but she is a New Zealand citizen and should be treated as such.
Vote:April 1st, 2012 at 12:31 am
And finally we have Chucky, who doesn’t seem to be able to post a comment without referring to anal sex. This guy’s certainly has a problem. He even posted the Shaun Robinson piece from the Herald again in the GD section, desperate for some response. Either that, or he has Alzheimer’s and forgot that he already posted it.
Vote:April 1st, 2012 at 12:56 am
eszett
Don’t expect balance here.
Do expect DPF’s dog whistles.
It helps his ratings…:-)
Vote:April 1st, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Why haven’t they been evicted for sub letting? Why is there increasingly one law for muslims and one law for other NZers?
Vote:April 1st, 2012 at 1:29 pm
To Calendar Girl, the Christchurch City Council was pressured by developers in 1998 to allow the Bexley subdivision to go ahead. It was known then that there was a risk of liquefaction breaking out. Now that Bexley has had liquefaction five times in the last 19 months, it is obvious that the City Council make a costly error giving into developers. Bexley was a suburb that should never have been built in the location that it was – in other words, rate-payers are paying because the City Council didn’t do its job properly.
And what makes you think I am ungrateful? I think New Zealand is the greatest nation of its size in the world. I just happen to know that the C.C.C. should have known better when it decided to go ahead with Bexley. I will tell you another thing too. New Zealand rallied in ways I don’t think most people knew we could to help Chrischurch and everyone who helped in those days can stand proud. What did I do? 18 hours in Civil Defence; 100-130 hours liquefaction removal; several hours with community projects such as the Listening Project in eastern Christchurch helping people who had been missed by regular authorities. Just saying.
Vote:April 1st, 2012 at 1:38 pm
I wonder how long Christchurch’s patience with C.E.R.A. is going to hold. Not easily accountable for mistakes. They appear aloof and not terribly pragmatic with businesses and heritage building owners, with regards to property rights and supply of necessary information.
By the way, if the C.E.R.A. model of disaster recovery governance is going to be used in future emergencies, such as a Wellington quake or volcanic eruption in Auckland, it would pay to get the model working properly now.
Vote:April 1st, 2012 at 2:25 pm
geo-kiwi: ” …rate-payers are paying because the City Council didn’t do its job properly.” Once again let me spell it out, Christchurch people voted for their representatives on Council, so they can expect to take responsibility when the Council stuffs up.
Vote:April 1st, 2012 at 4:53 pm
The average price for a three bedroom home in Christchurch is around $350. Just marginally above pre earthquake prices.
Four bedroom homes jump up in price.
That is because for every person looking for a home another one or two have left Christchurch.
There are scumbag landlords on the make, but they are easily avoided, by reading the Press.
The problem is the lack of four and five bedroom homes for Somali families, refugees, with 11 children.
How many New Zealanders you know have 11 children.
How many New Zealanders do you know who live in Somalia and ask the local warlord to provide accommodation.
I am about to rent a home in Christchchurch.
The place is furnished, in good shape and is priced at near pre earthquake levels, to attract good tenants.
It has a years work behind it to alleviate damage and general upgrade. I want a bond and two weeks rental in advance
People arrive to see the place, and they are::
1.An Australian couple with two long haired dogs in the car,
2. Three energetic students who arrive in two cars .
3. An English couple with a hyperactive child, who we can barely contain.
4. A New Zealand couple with baby who ask for bond to be waived.
5. An kraut German, who says he will take the place if I provide internet free.
6. An African family, and I can not determine how many children they have.
7. An Indian family, who tell me they are nearly freezing to death here .
8. A retired Korean couple who are here to provide family support to their grandson.
I sign up with the Korean couple,
Vote:This shows my clear prejudice and racism against New Zealanders, Australians, English people , Canadians, Africans and Indians.
April 1st, 2012 at 5:36 pm
pq, if your house was big enough to house this family of 11, would you rent it them? Based on what you know in the article.
Vote:April 1st, 2012 at 6:07 pm
No I would not rent to a family of 11 people.
Damage and costs to property are proportional to number of people. It is also a matter of communication and responsibility.
I think Eric Crampton is about to do an article on this business of rent.
Also legal niceties, such as term of rent, conditions and so on are often refused by overseas people.
If you think Germans can shove you around try an African refugee for size.
If I had a big old place, students are fine; as long as you make one of them responsible, and pay him/ her for that responsibility.
Thai people are good, Koreans are good, Singaporeans and Japanese people will just buy you out, but forget about the rest of the Asian countries; and if from Africa, only South Africa.
But the worst situation is a person who knows his rights, and will ring the Police, and will not let you back into your own property.
We are entitled to rent based on previous experience, and my resolution is do not rent to the above people types [ see in previous article ]
Repairs and Maintenance are bigger than people realise, and always unmentioned by spruiker sellers and agents..
Vote:Costs of running a property in Christchurch are now $3000, plus for rates and insurance; conservatively another $1500
for repairs and maintenance; and say $1000 down time.
April 1st, 2012 at 6:40 pm
and
These are quite contradictory. You will not have a big family who have an interest in keeping the house in a good state, but some students who don’t.
How many African Refugees have you rented to, pq? Besides, the person in question is now a NZ citizen.
You are stereotyping quite a bit there, aren’t you. Thai, Japanese, Singaporean, good, rest of Asia, bad, Germans, bad, Africans bad, exceptions South Afrika. (Is that just white South Afrikans or does it include blacks, indian, etc?)
But the most hilarious part is this:
Damn those people who now their rights. You just can’t fuck them around like you’d like to.
Vote:April 2nd, 2012 at 2:14 am
Nothing wrong with stereotypes guiding your decisions. If we’re honest with ourselves, we make judgments based on the way people look all the time. I know plenty of landlords who have tried to put their stereotypes to one side and have been burnt. Lots of landlords won’t rent to students, or to people with dogs or to families. If you’re dodgy looking – whether you’re a Kiwi or an African – you’re going to find it hard to rent a house. At the end of the day, it’s the landlord’s property – they can do what they want. It’s a market economy and if they make it too difficult, they are the ones that are going to miss out on rent!
Vote:Migrants and refugees to any country always seem to whinge about their adopted countries. Kiwis who go to England whinge about the weather, South Africans who come to NZ whinge about the weather. It’s just human nature and the grass is always greener. It’s not to be taken as a slight on the country.
I certainly don’t think that Somalis (or any refugees) should have to feel ‘oh so grateful’ to be in New Zealand. Sure, we wouldn’t want to live in Somalia – but to them, it’s still home and they’ve had to leave it.
Not sure what the woman in the article’s New Zealand citizenship has to do with anything. Anyone can become a New Zealander. You just have to live here for a few years and then fill out a form – it’s really not that difficult. If you’re really rich, you can buy NZ citizenship. It’s not like Germany, where you have to be born German to be German or the States where you have to pass a citizenship test. In NZ, every man and his dog can be ‘Kiwi’.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:38 am
True, and I wouldn’t exempt myself from doing it or having done that either. And of course you don’t rent out your property randomly, but choose tenants subjectively.
However stereotypes based on the country of origin is probably the stupidest thing to do. Like there is one type of German, Thai, Somali, etc. It’s nonsense.
Applies to everywhere in the world, the more money you have the easier it is to jump the hurdles. Or you have to be good at sports.
Vote:Also not sure where you have heard that about Germany, but there are heaps of people in Germany who have German citizenship without being born in Germany, around 130,000 each year get citizenship. The wait is 8 years vs 5 years here in NZ.
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:44 am
“Thai people are good, Koreans are good, Singaporeans and Japanese people will just buy you out, but forget about the rest of the Asian countries; and if from Africa, only South Africa.”
Nice to know some bigots have some rules…
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