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		<title>By: freddos</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/03/united_future_and_asset_sales.html/comment-page-1#comment-945438</link>
		<dc:creator>freddos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 22:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dime is such a joke. He never makes any legitimate points on Dunne - just goes on about appearances and how he doesn&#039;t understand how centrist politics works. Oh and the salary jabs - that&#039;s a unionist&#039;s last resort and always looks so pathetic and petty.

I bet Dime couldn&#039;t give one example of Dunne flip-flopping. In fact, that&#039;s a challenge. Find us evidence of Dunne explicity saying one thing and then changing his policy completely to &#039;maintain that 200k&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dime is such a joke. He never makes any legitimate points on Dunne &#8211; just goes on about appearances and how he doesn&#8217;t understand how centrist politics works. Oh and the salary jabs &#8211; that&#8217;s a unionist&#8217;s last resort and always looks so pathetic and petty.</p>
<p>I bet Dime couldn&#8217;t give one example of Dunne flip-flopping. In fact, that&#8217;s a challenge. Find us evidence of Dunne explicity saying one thing and then changing his policy completely to &#8216;maintain that 200k&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: wiseowl</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/03/united_future_and_asset_sales.html/comment-page-1#comment-945275</link>
		<dc:creator>wiseowl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 07:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dunne is in to whatever is best for him.The people of Ohurrywho let us all down every time they tick his box.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunne is in to whatever is best for him.The people of Ohurrywho let us all down every time they tick his box.</p>
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		<title>By: mikenmild</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/03/united_future_and_asset_sales.html/comment-page-1#comment-945247</link>
		<dc:creator>mikenmild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 07:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure Peter Dunne is sincere in his support for asset sales.  I am equally sure he would sincerely in favour of for buying them back if that was what a Labour-led government wanted after 2014.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure Peter Dunne is sincere in his support for asset sales.  I am equally sure he would sincerely in favour of for buying them back if that was what a Labour-led government wanted after 2014.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Rowan</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/03/united_future_and_asset_sales.html/comment-page-1#comment-945221</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Rowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 06:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s an interesting assertion that most New Zealanders are opposed to asset sales. I am also opposed to asset sales. But I am less opposed to asset sales than to more taxes, for example. 

As an aside, this is why citizens initiated referenda cannot be binding (especially not on matters to do with the budget) because the government&#039;s options become too constrained, or they are forced into a position which leads only to detriment for the economy (such as huge taxes on companies and high-earners).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an interesting assertion that most New Zealanders are opposed to asset sales. I am also opposed to asset sales. But I am less opposed to asset sales than to more taxes, for example. </p>
<p>As an aside, this is why citizens initiated referenda cannot be binding (especially not on matters to do with the budget) because the government&#8217;s options become too constrained, or they are forced into a position which leads only to detriment for the economy (such as huge taxes on companies and high-earners).</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/03/united_future_and_asset_sales.html/comment-page-1#comment-945157</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 04:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I would argue that National knows fully that they are about to enact a very unpopular set of privatisation polices,&lt;/i&gt;

How are you sure about that? Sure, polls show a majority prefer no asset sales, but they didn&#039;t feel strongly enough against them to vote less for National - their vote increased.

The numbers, and I suspect the depth of feeling, are quite a bit softer than against the anti-smacking legislation.

In two and a half years when a few assets have been part sold and the sky hasn&#039;t fallen in the number who would switch their vote on it may not be many. Especially if Labour have wasted another rebuild term.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I would argue that National knows fully that they are about to enact a very unpopular set of privatisation polices,</i></p>
<p>How are you sure about that? Sure, polls show a majority prefer no asset sales, but they didn&#8217;t feel strongly enough against them to vote less for National &#8211; their vote increased.</p>
<p>The numbers, and I suspect the depth of feeling, are quite a bit softer than against the anti-smacking legislation.</p>
<p>In two and a half years when a few assets have been part sold and the sky hasn&#8217;t fallen in the number who would switch their vote on it may not be many. Especially if Labour have wasted another rebuild term.</p>
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		<title>By: mikenmild</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/03/united_future_and_asset_sales.html/comment-page-1#comment-945114</link>
		<dc:creator>mikenmild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 03:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t realise that preferential sale to NZers was possibly illegal; I just thought it was stupid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t realise that preferential sale to NZers was possibly illegal; I just thought it was stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: GConnell</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/03/united_future_and_asset_sales.html/comment-page-1#comment-945103</link>
		<dc:creator>GConnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 02:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Preferential rights for NZ investors still appears unenforceable. Key has been questioned on this extensively in parliament, and he&#039;s avoided giving a clear answer each time. It would appear that this is because there is no answer to the question. Free trade agreements prohibit the government from offering preferential sales to NZlders. &quot;We&#039;ve said we&#039;ll do it, so we&#039;ll do it&quot; Is far from good enough a position to that question. As for mandate, legally, sure, National can sell shares in the SOEs as outlined (ignoring the preferential sale issue), but how this sits with the electorate is a completely different issue. I would argue that National knows fully that they are about to enact a very unpopular set of privatisation polices, and that they are more than aware that the majority of the public oppose them. They are going ahead with it because it fits their current ideological model, and because they can now argue a mandate, after their election victory. It&#039;s as clear as day however, that NZ voted for a smiley faced John, not Asset Sales.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preferential rights for NZ investors still appears unenforceable. Key has been questioned on this extensively in parliament, and he&#8217;s avoided giving a clear answer each time. It would appear that this is because there is no answer to the question. Free trade agreements prohibit the government from offering preferential sales to NZlders. &#8220;We&#8217;ve said we&#8217;ll do it, so we&#8217;ll do it&#8221; Is far from good enough a position to that question. As for mandate, legally, sure, National can sell shares in the SOEs as outlined (ignoring the preferential sale issue), but how this sits with the electorate is a completely different issue. I would argue that National knows fully that they are about to enact a very unpopular set of privatisation polices, and that they are more than aware that the majority of the public oppose them. They are going ahead with it because it fits their current ideological model, and because they can now argue a mandate, after their election victory. It&#8217;s as clear as day however, that NZ voted for a smiley faced John, not Asset Sales.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/03/united_future_and_asset_sales.html/comment-page-1#comment-945035</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 00:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paul Matthews &lt;a href=&quot;https://twitter.com/#!/nzcspaul&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@nzcspaul&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;i&gt;Chief Executive of NZCS, the New Zealand Computer Society (the professional body of the IT sector). Personal opinion only. &lt;/i&gt;
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Meeting with Hon Peter Dunne (Revenue Minister) was good. Very reasonable man who seems to &quot;get&quot; what our sector&#039;s trying to do 

@Gazza_R Yup. He understands that the software taxation thing would act as a handbrake on innovation and is committed to seeing it through
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Matthews <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/nzcspaul" rel="nofollow">@nzcspaul</a><br />
<i>Chief Executive of NZCS, the New Zealand Computer Society (the professional body of the IT sector). Personal opinion only. </i></p>
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Meeting with Hon Peter Dunne (Revenue Minister) was good. Very reasonable man who seems to &#8220;get&#8221; what our sector&#8217;s trying to do </p>
<p>@Gazza_R Yup. He understands that the software taxation thing would act as a handbrake on innovation and is committed to seeing it through
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		<title>By: KevinH</title>
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		<dc:creator>KevinH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 00:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Election results for Ohariu 2011:

http://electionresults.org.nz/electionresults_2011/electorate-35.html

National polled a resounding 18,764 party votes, substantially more than anyone else, therefore the conclusion is the electorate supports National&#039;s asset sale programme.
I haven&#039;t added the balance of votes for all the others because it is irrelevant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Election results for Ohariu 2011:</p>
<p><a href="http://electionresults.org.nz/electionresults_2011/electorate-35.html" rel="nofollow">http://electionresults.org.nz/electionresults_2011/electorate-35.html</a></p>
<p>National polled a resounding 18,764 party votes, substantially more than anyone else, therefore the conclusion is the electorate supports National&#8217;s asset sale programme.<br />
I haven&#8217;t added the balance of votes for all the others because it is irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: minto57</title>
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		<dc:creator>minto57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 00:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well if he maintains his position he will be remembered for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if he maintains his position he will be remembered for it.</p>
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		<title>By: dime</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/03/united_future_and_asset_sales.html/comment-page-1#comment-945010</link>
		<dc:creator>dime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 00:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;regard him as one of the more honourable politicans.&quot;

isnt that like being the least smelling turd?

sorry pete, i like ya but youll never convince me on Dunne. Hes all about maintaining that 200k]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;regard him as one of the more honourable politicans.&#8221;</p>
<p>isnt that like being the least smelling turd?</p>
<p>sorry pete, i like ya but youll never convince me on Dunne. Hes all about maintaining that 200k</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/03/united_future_and_asset_sales.html/comment-page-1#comment-945006</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 00:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Also – its not like the guy is so honorable he wouldnt change his mind if labour had won.&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t believe he would have done &#039;changed his mind&#039; and it was a party position anyway, not just his. And I (and a lot of other people including politicians across the house) regard him as one of the more honourable politicans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Also – its not like the guy is so honorable he wouldnt change his mind if labour had won.</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe he would have done &#8216;changed his mind&#8217; and it was a party position anyway, not just his. And I (and a lot of other people including politicians across the house) regard him as one of the more honourable politicans.</p>
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		<title>By: dime</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/03/united_future_and_asset_sales.html/comment-page-1#comment-944977</link>
		<dc:creator>dime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 23:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PG - National was a safe bet. 

His party was on the line? no offence but his party is like you and 7 other dudes. 

Also - its not like the guy is so honorable he wouldnt change his mind if labour had won.

&quot;i have thought long and hard about this. its been an agonising decision but i think im better in government than out. i will offer confidence and supply and in exchange i will be the revenue minister. the union party do see some things differently to labour but im sure we can work together in the interest of this great county. also, my income will stay the same. a sweet 200k a year&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PG &#8211; National was a safe bet. </p>
<p>His party was on the line? no offence but his party is like you and 7 other dudes. </p>
<p>Also &#8211; its not like the guy is so honorable he wouldnt change his mind if labour had won.</p>
<p>&#8220;i have thought long and hard about this. its been an agonising decision but i think im better in government than out. i will offer confidence and supply and in exchange i will be the revenue minister. the union party do see some things differently to labour but im sure we can work together in the interest of this great county. also, my income will stay the same. a sweet 200k a year&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: meh</title>
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		<dc:creator>meh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 23:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I voted for PD, and part of that vote was based on the fact he would support asset sales with the attached conditions. It&#039;s just charles trying to stir up ****, he needs to face facts the voters of ohariu-belmont do not want him representing us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I voted for PD, and part of that vote was based on the fact he would support asset sales with the attached conditions. It&#8217;s just charles trying to stir up ****, he needs to face facts the voters of ohariu-belmont do not want him representing us.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/03/united_future_and_asset_sales.html/comment-page-1#comment-944967</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Very brave of him! National were only polling at 50%. &lt;/i&gt;

And barely scraped in - possibly thanks to Dunne. 

It&#039;s quite a job selection process with much more negative attention (and lack of attention) than most. And he had a lot more pressure than just about everyone else - his seat, his career and his party all on the line, and he fronted up and said he couldn&#039;t back Labour&#039;s policies. 

If you consider the alternative, if he&#039;d said he&#039;d just go with the best offer and ended up being the 61st vote for a cobbled together Labour led coalition, some of his critics here would be throwing the same old crap but with a lot more venom.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Very brave of him! National were only polling at 50%. </i></p>
<p>And barely scraped in &#8211; possibly thanks to Dunne. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s quite a job selection process with much more negative attention (and lack of attention) than most. And he had a lot more pressure than just about everyone else &#8211; his seat, his career and his party all on the line, and he fronted up and said he couldn&#8217;t back Labour&#8217;s policies. </p>
<p>If you consider the alternative, if he&#8217;d said he&#8217;d just go with the best offer and ended up being the 61st vote for a cobbled together Labour led coalition, some of his critics here would be throwing the same old crap but with a lot more venom.</p>
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		<title>By: dime</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/03/united_future_and_asset_sales.html/comment-page-1#comment-944938</link>
		<dc:creator>dime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;That’s not true, he hasn’t always gone with anyone. And in the last election he clearly indicated he would go with National and not with Labour&quot;

Very brave of him! National were only polling at 50%. 

When was Dunne last in opposition? 

When did his income last go down?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That’s not true, he hasn’t always gone with anyone. And in the last election he clearly indicated he would go with National and not with Labour&#8221;</p>
<p>Very brave of him! National were only polling at 50%. </p>
<p>When was Dunne last in opposition? </p>
<p>When did his income last go down?</p>
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		<title>By: mikenmild</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/03/united_future_and_asset_sales.html/comment-page-1#comment-944936</link>
		<dc:creator>mikenmild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why should there be preferential purchase rights for NZ investors?  Isn&#039;t that a subsidy to some NZers at the expense of all taxpayers?  Surely the objective should be to attain the maximum price from the sales - that is why the companies are being sold isn&#039;t it, to maximise returns?
BTW, I laughed out load at &quot;one-man parliamentary caucus&quot;!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should there be preferential purchase rights for NZ investors?  Isn&#8217;t that a subsidy to some NZers at the expense of all taxpayers?  Surely the objective should be to attain the maximum price from the sales &#8211; that is why the companies are being sold isn&#8217;t it, to maximise returns?<br />
BTW, I laughed out load at &#8220;one-man parliamentary caucus&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/03/united_future_and_asset_sales.html/comment-page-1#comment-944935</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Sounds like someone is getting nervous that Dunne will do a U-turn here…&lt;/i&gt;

I doubt it, it&#039;s just countering the convolutions of the opposition, who try to rubbish Dunne for doing a U-turn since the election (he hasn&#039;t) and in the next breath try to pressure him into doing a U-turn. 

Apart from the usual niggly knockers Dunne has a reputation for being straight and reliable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sounds like someone is getting nervous that Dunne will do a U-turn here…</i></p>
<p>I doubt it, it&#8217;s just countering the convolutions of the opposition, who try to rubbish Dunne for doing a U-turn since the election (he hasn&#8217;t) and in the next breath try to pressure him into doing a U-turn. </p>
<p>Apart from the usual niggly knockers Dunne has a reputation for being straight and reliable.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/03/united_future_and_asset_sales.html/comment-page-1#comment-944931</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dunne did a video yesterday on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=refjVCXyTfo&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;on legislative and policy decision-making. &lt;/a&gt;
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Discussing the nature of being a one-man parliamentary caucus from a vibrant and engaged Party. The challenge of being incorrectly labelled an &quot;Independent MP&#039; and how policy is formulated and displayed by UnitedFuture.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunne did a video yesterday on <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=refjVCXyTfo" rel="nofollow">&#8220;on legislative and policy decision-making. </a></p>
<blockquote><p>
Discussing the nature of being a one-man parliamentary caucus from a vibrant and engaged Party. The challenge of being incorrectly labelled an &#8220;Independent MP&#8217; and how policy is formulated and displayed by UnitedFuture.
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		<title>By: Nick R</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/03/united_future_and_asset_sales.html/comment-page-1#comment-944929</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds like someone is getting nervous that Dunne will do a U-turn here...

[DPF: Jesus Christ, why can&#039;t people debate issues without trying to psych-analyse motives here. It is a coward&#039;s way of avoiding a debate on the issues.

For the record I do not have one iota of doubt that Peter will be good to his word]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like someone is getting nervous that Dunne will do a U-turn here&#8230;</p>
<p>[DPF: Jesus Christ, why can't people debate issues without trying to psych-analyse motives here. It is a coward's way of avoiding a debate on the issues.</p>
<p>For the record I do not have one iota of doubt that Peter will be good to his word]</p>
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