General Debate 11 April 2012

April 11th, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Yvette (2,844 comments) says:

    The Government’s plan to block public scrutiny of partially privatised power companies is unjustified on commercial grounds and will see a valuable part of the democratic process lost, Chief Ombudsman Beverley Wakem has warned.

    Under changes announced last month intended to prepare for the sale of up to 49 per cent of taxpayer-owned Mighty River Power, Meridian Energy, Genesis Energy and Solid Energy, the Government plans to remove their obligations under the Official Information and Ombudsman Acts.
    Ms Wakem – whose office investigates public complaints against the Government – said the fact that the Crown was maintaining controlling stakes in the companies on behalf of the public demonstrated their importance to New Zealand’s interests.

    The sale of a minority shareholding in them did not affect the reasoning for them being subject to the independent oversight and accountability provided through the Ombudsman Act and the Official Information Act (OIA).
    “They will carry on the same operations as they do presently which have significant scope to impact on individuals and communities and the environment. It’s not just about commercial interests, the impact of these companies goes much wider than that and all of those interests ought to be protected.”

    First the Treaty Clause
    Then the Muliaga community responsibility clause
    Now the Official Information Act

    Plus impending price rises of renewing the transmission network, which should be paid for by any profits from the generators rather than that money going to any individual shareholders, who are obviously well enough off to invest in anything else they choose.
    And the fact that anything aiming at paying private dividends obviously must cost more to users than it does now as an SOE.

    ASSETS SALES was the only issue Labour fought the Election on –
    Where the fuck are they now?
    Oh yes – squabbling with the ACC Minister
    and actually running some sort of campaign with a purposefully low profile for the new Leader
    Merde!
    Your proclaimed function before the Election was to oppose the partial ASSET SALES
    So now do the fucking work that I voted you bastards into Opposition to do!

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  2. Max Call (212 comments) says:

    Spending on consultants rises under National
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10798006
    I guess this makes it easier to get the money into the pockets of their mates – also, would contractors be more inclined to taylor evidence gathering to match what the ministers ideology is?

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  3. Pete George (23,677 comments) says:

    Peter Dunne was on Firstline this morning laying out his case for supporting increasing the length of Paid Parental Leave.

    He accepts that it’s expensive, especially in the current economic climate, but that it would be an investment in early childhood that will pay off in the longer term.

    He said it was far too soon to worry about the possible use of a “rare” veto to block the bill, should it get the support of all of Labour, Greens, Mana, Maori Party, NZF and United Future.

    As coalition partners United Future and Maori Party are in similar positions, but should be free to support a bill that fits with their policies.

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  4. Max Call (212 comments) says:

    sorry, sp. tailor

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  5. mikenmild (11,627 comments) says:

    Max
    I thought this was a good column on the subject. It is the basis for the Herald article:
    http://publicaddress.net/onpoint/some-of-my-best-friends-are-consultants/

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  6. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    @pete

    And there I thought pork barrel politics was a thing of the past.
    Who is going to up the ante?
    Higher minimum wages?
    More holidays?
    Increase benefit payments?

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  7. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    heh..!..this will get them all frothing..and eyes darting nervously…

    ..what many of us have long suspected about homophobes…(namely suppressed-gay-lust..)..?

    ..turns out we were right..)

    http://whoar.co.nz/2012/are-homophobes-just-repressing-their-homosexual-desires-new-study-says-yes/

    “..A new joint study conducted by the University of England in Essex and the University of California in Santa Barbara –

    – will show how homophobia can be a fearful symptom of same-sex desire…”

    (cont..)

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  8. flipper (4,194 comments) says:

    Well said, Andy……

    And, where will the money come from?
    We look at Greece, Italy, Spain, Ireland, Britain (et al) and their economic problems AND we blink our eyes, or shake our heads, and stare at the goggle box with bemusment..

    We must ignore the idiotic preachings of red-melons and the stoneage labourites – until, or unless, they can produce a self-perpetuating money tree.

    As for Yvette – let it go!

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  9. mikenmild (11,627 comments) says:

    O_A
    All good ideas; but you’ll probably have to wait for a Labour government – after which such changes will be cemented in by a succeeding National administration.

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  10. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    @max

    Spin alert!

    Some government departments have tripled their spending on consultants during the National Party’s time in power, despite assurances from the Government that it was not depending more heavily on contractors.

    The question is, what is the total cost of consultants?

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  11. Leaping Jimmy (16,630 comments) says:

    Some Wednesday cognitive dissonance.

    If the Gweens care so much about us, and the planet, how come they never talk about BPAs and how come they support the new lightbulbs which emit toxic EMF? Are they evil or are they just fucked in the head?

    http://eyreinternational.wordpress.com/2012/04/09/the-horrific-new-world-order-master-plan-that-has-full-un-approval/

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  12. eszett (2,426 comments) says:

    what many of us have long suspected about homophobes…(namely suppressed-gay-lust..)?

    This is bad news for Chucky

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  13. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    (and it looks like it won’t be a good day for homophobic fox-viewers esp..)

    http://whoar.co.nz/2012/the-science-of-fox-news-why-its-viewers-are-the-most-misinformed/

    “…Authoritarian people have a stronger emotional need for an outlet like Fox –

    – where they can find affirmation and escape factual challenges to their beliefs…”

    (see what i mean..finding out they are both riddled with gay lust..and scientific-proof of how they are also fox-dumbed..heh..!..)

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  14. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    ezett..i did think of chucky when i found this one…and fletch..(heh..!..)

    (chuckle-city..i am still chortling..)

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  15. Pete George (23,677 comments) says:

    It’s not pork barrel if it is an investment – what if a solid case can be made that it’s likely to save money in the lobg run? And you can hardly claim this balloted bill as pork barrel anyway.

    Higher minimum wages?
    I don’t support that. I support better business conditions so businesses can afford to pay better.

    More holidays?
    The Mondayisation of Anzac and Waitangi days is very minor so I don’t have a problem with that. Otherwise more holidays (or shorter working weeks or less hours) should be a lifestyle tradeoff with less pay.

    Increase benefit payments?
    Ideally I’d like to see higher benefit payments to those in need, but ideally with significntly less people needing them so reducing the overall cost.

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  16. cha (4,076 comments) says:

    That would explain Chuck’s obsession with mens clackers.

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  17. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    Pete George

    It’s not pork barrel if it is an investment – what if a solid case can be made that it’s likely to save money in the lobg run? And you can hardly claim this balloted bill as pork barrel anyway.

    It is a perfect example of pork barrel politics.
    How can you make a solid case that it is likely to save money in the long run?
    How do you calculate savings?
    If it saves money to hand people money for 26 weeks, why not give them money for 52 weeks?
    Wouldn’t ‘save’ that even more money?
    It is on par with the theory that if you increase minimum wages and benefit payments people are able to spend more and will stimulate the economy.

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  18. graham (2,346 comments) says:

    philu @ 8:49: Does the same logic apply to your loud decrying of us non-vegetarians?

    Do you secretly fantasize of sinking your teeth into a nice juicy steak or pork chop? You do, don’t you?! Come on, give in to your desires, philu, you know you want to …

    Pork chop, mmm …

    Looking forward to my chicken lunch.

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  19. Pete George (23,677 comments) says:

    Other_Andy – I think there’s a good case for the first six months to be the most important, especially if the mother is breastfeeding. That has behavioural and health implications that can make a difference with effectiveness and cost of things like education and health – and possible justice – as babies grow up.

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  20. big bruv (14,122 comments) says:

    Pete

    Please explain to me why the hell I should pay for other people to raise their kids?

    My Mrs and I managed to do so without asking for a hand out from the tax payer, we managed to do it all on our own so perhaps you and that idiot Dunne should think a bit about that before deciding that you want to stick your hand in my pocket for more money so other people can bring up their kids.
    It is bad enough that I have to support the parasites who get WFF without extending what they steal from me any further.

    The sooner the Nat’s stop letting wankers like Dunne have a free ride in his electorate seat the better, the house can do without sanctimonious pricks like him.

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  21. big bruv (14,122 comments) says:

    Phool

    You ever watched Fox news?

    Come to think of it…have you watched the equally biased left wing media in the USA?

    Thought not, if you had you may well have worked out that MSNBC make Fox look “fair and balanced” in the way they cover USA politics.

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  22. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    Vote UF, vote me!
    I will give everybody 13 months paid leave.
    No, vote Labour, vote me!
    I will give everybody 26 months paid leave.
    No, vote ‘greens’, vote me!
    I will give everybody 26 months paid leave and will raise the minimum wage!
    No me, vote me. I raise you!
    I will abolish the student loans and give you more holidays!
    No, me, me, vote me!
    I will give everybody 26 months paid leave, more holidays, abolish the student loans, raise the minimum wage AND increase benefit payments.

    Then the NZ Herald and party websites will run ‘calculators’ who will give you more ‘free stuff’.
    Lolly scramble!
    Will it be UF, Labour, the ‘greens, Mana, the Maori Party?

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  23. Yvette (2,844 comments) says:

    “Neo-Nazis are a ‘civil rights group’ the same way Fox is a ‘news channel’ “

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  24. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    Pete George Says:

    “I think there’s a good case for the first six months to be the most important, especially if the mother is breastfeeding. That has behavioural and health implications that can make a difference with effectiveness and cost of things like education and health – and possible justice – as babies grow up.”

    Absolutely Pete. Personally I think it is even better one parent stays home with the child at least till the child goes to school. This is why my wife (I wanted to stay home but she insisted it should be her.) gave up her job for several years. We did not expect others to pay for that.
    And there is the crunch Pete.
    NOBODY thinks it is a bad idea for mothers (or fathers) to stay at home and look after children.
    Some people are wondering why others have to pay for it?
    If you know it is such a good idea, helps your child and has benefits in the long run, why do you want to be paid for it as well?

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  25. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “…Do you secretly fantasize of sinking your teeth into a nice juicy steak or pork chop?..”

    nah..!..i haven’t eaten animal-flesh for nearly 30 yrs…

    ..and i expose myself to it so little..that the smell of it cooking can make me gag…

    ..it’s a similar revulsion to what i feel now if i think of heroin/the junkie-life…

    ..(both memories of past addictions make me shudder..and of course..both addictions will guarantee you a shortened-life..

    ..and with the animal-flesh addiction..(esp. red/processed)..that life likely to be shortened by the onset of cancer..)

    ..in fact..if you think about it…heroin dosen’t give you cancer…go figure..!..eh..?..)

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  26. graham (2,346 comments) says:

    Hmmmm … as far as cancer goes (in animals) … maybe you should have a look at this site.

    http://www.rawessentials.co.nz/

    “I am often asked why cats and dogs develop cancer. There is no simple answer … In 1997 the Colorado State School of Veterinary Medicine documented that dogs and cats with cancer had a longer survival time if they were fed a diet high in protein and fat but reduced in carbohydrates. Feeding a high fat, high protein diet (the natural diet of cats and dogs) is found to starve the cancer cells of carbohydrates that they need as an energy source for replication.”

    Hope you’re giving your pets sufficient protein.

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  27. graham (2,346 comments) says:

    And from the same site:

    “Rethinking the way we feed our pets.

    A nutritious and balanced diet leads to good health. So, is that “complete and balanced diet” you are feeding your pet appropriate to the species? Dogs and cats are carnivores. The have carnassial teeth for ripping and tearing at flesh, they have little movement in their jaw, so they are not suited to grinding up plant material. They have very acidic stomachs and no area in the gut to ferment plant material. Carnivores need high protein, very low carbohydrate diets with moderate amounts of fat. Ideally they need to eat whole carcasses of prey animals. This suggestion is not to the liking of many pet owners but is achievable. For cats think chicken necks, chicken wings, rabbit legs and saddles, whole fish and you are getting the idea (and your cat is smiling). Dogs need bigger chunks of raw meaty bones that they can chew and tear. Think of whole chickens, whole rabbits, whole fish, lamb flaps and big chunks of venison bone.”

    This site is run by qualified vets, by the way.

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  28. Nookin (3,453 comments) says:

    At last someone in the team has had the courage to say it out loud

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/6721600/Piri-Weepu-let-the-Blues-down-Mealamu

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  29. Put it away (2,880 comments) says:

    Yes graham, but I’m sure phool has link on his repeater site to another repeater site which is giving a brief summary of a paper that hasn’t been published yet, that says otherwise. So there!

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  30. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..Hope you’re giving your pets sufficient protein…”

    for breakfast they all just had seitan…

    (which they climb the walls for…i just have to tell them i am going to make them some..and the dogs go ballistic…and the cat is up on its’ hind-legs..purring in anticipation..)

    ..we have a little ritual that is quite cool..they all gather around me..and i hand-feed them..

    ..we all seem to enjoy it..

    ..and seitan..by weight…has seven times the protein of meat…

    ..and if a dog is being raised on commercial dog-rolls..as most are…ew..!..eh..?..

    ..they are almost vegetarian..there is so little actual meat in them..(but bad/junk-food vegetarian..)

    ..and if you were wondering about the outcome..oil has a photo on his site of my vegan dogs.one of them 13 yrs old/vegan..

    ..(leftie guyton also has a pic on his blog..he took the photo..)

    ..their coats are so shiny..you almost need shades..

    ..(hope that clarifies that for you…and in the vegan section at whoar i also have vegan-dog recipies…)

    ..also..dogs on a vegan diet have sweet-smelling breath/no stinking farts..

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  31. Elaycee (4,403 comments) says:

    Thanks for the reminder of steak Phool – it’s made my mouth water…..

    Tonight, the BBQ will be fired up at chez Elaycee and for my part, I’ll be into nice juicy fillet steak, maybe a snarler or two, a little salad and spud all washed down with some cold Export Gold. Luvly Jubly.

    Hah – I can almost smell the aroma now…. And amongst the 8 who’ll be there…. not a bludger to be seen!

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  32. graham (2,346 comments) says:

    Fair enough on the protein.

    So what about this? “Dogs and cats are carnivores. The have carnassial teeth for ripping and tearing at flesh, they have little movement in their jaw, so they are not suited to grinding up plant material.”

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  33. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..This site is run by qualified vets, by the way…”

    and i have written before how if feeling mischiveous i will choose a random-‘qualified-vet’..

    ..and go and bend his/her head with the undenial evidence before their eyes of my 13 yr old..

    ..who looks/moves/runs..like she is 3-4yrs old..

    ..my favourite reaction was vet with mouth gaping open/closed..who said..’what shampoo do you use to get her coat so shiny..?..’

    ..my reply:..(which really fucked his head/’knowledge’..) was..’i don’t wash/shampoo her..she just has the occaisonal swim..’

    ..so..y’know..!..waving ‘authorised-vets’ at me just usually evinces a ‘meh..!’..

    ..’cos i know different..and can prove to them ‘different’..

    (hope that helps clarify that..)

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  34. graham (2,346 comments) says:

    Answer the question.

    Dogs and cats are carnivores. The have carnassial teeth for ripping and tearing at flesh, they have little movement in their jaw, so they are not suited to grinding up plant material.”

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  35. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..“Dogs and cats are carnivores…”

    they are omnivores actually..and dogs are fine being vegan..

    ..but with cats you have to ensure they get essentials like taurine in their diet..

    ..they are more fussy/hard to cater for..which is partly why i have steered clear of them..

    ..but then this wild/stray kitten decided that we were it…

    .so he gets special vegan cat biscuits..(available at safe-shops..or on their site..)

    ..these have taurine and the other essentials cats need..(v.important..esp. the taurine..)

    ..and he loves them…wolfs them down…and is on demand-feed with them..

    ..and he also is thriving…super-shiny coat/wt nose/happy etc..

    ..(they all love tofu too..just raw…)

    (hope that helps clarify that..)

    ..btw..all/any questions about this will also be answered in the vegan section at whoar…

    ..but i am also happy to oblige..)

    phillup ure@whoar.co.nz

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  36. Nookin (3,453 comments) says:

    Thread is heading in the same direction as yesterday — downhill fast.

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  37. Put it away (2,880 comments) says:

    So what you’re saying, phool, is that a stray kitten, given a choice between starvation and some horrid vegan stimulated food, choses the latter?

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  38. graham (2,346 comments) says:

    Nookin, you’re right, and I apologise. Should’ve learned by now, DNFTT.

    I will hereby stop responding to philu … for today, anyway :)

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  39. Keeping Stock (10,404 comments) says:

    @ Nookin – two points. Firstly, I agree wholeheartedly about Piri Weepu, and indeed have just blogged about that very matter. I won’t link to it, as my blog traffic is doing better than someone else’s; it’s easy enough for people to find if they want to read it.

    Secondly, I agree with you about the direction of today’s GD. Although I may be sorely tempted, I will do my level best not to engage with a certain someone today, lest I send him off on yet another tangent. Who knows; if others do likewise, he might get bored, and go away ;-)

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  40. backster (2,184 comments) says:

    I always used to feed my dogs meat and bones until I saw old dogs who had been fed nothing but Eukanuba and saw how fit an heathy they seemed to be, nowadays my Lab is fed Eukanuba or nutrience and has a meaty raw bone for lunch.

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  41. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    well..graham..i hope that answered all yr questions about that..

    (and nookin..you wanted to say something..?..interesting/amusing..?…off ya go..eh..?

    ..a new topic to raise.?

    ..the stage is yrs..

    (cue tumbleweeds tumbling..)

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  42. Nookin (3,453 comments) says:

    KS
    “he might get bored, and go away ”

    Just been looking out the window and failed to see any of the genus sus in a state of levitation.

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  43. Leaping Jimmy (16,630 comments) says:

    This could be important…

    http://theintelhub.com/2012/04/09/fukushima-has-potential-to-destroy-the-world-and-our-civilization/

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  44. thedavincimode (6,867 comments) says:

    Put it away

    “So what you’re saying, phool, is that a stray kitten, given a choice between starvation and some horrid vegan stimulated food, choses the latter?”

    Wrong. He’s actually saying that although he’s ditched the heroin and the meat, he hasn’t given up being a lying lazy bludging little prick and that he intends to finish his life being as utterly pointless as he was when he started it. He also likes to keep pets at the taxpayers’ expense while solo mothers go out to work.

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  45. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    where are all the homophobes today..?

    ..(maybe they are all busy suppressing their desires..?..)

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  46. Leaping Jimmy (16,630 comments) says:

    I’ve always remembered a comment Quentin Crisp of Naked Civil Servant fame made, which seems appropriate in light of this story below. He said: “in the UK, the system is benevolent but the people are ruthless, in the US, the people are benevolent but the system is ruthless.”

    Certainly, it is bizarre when you walk around any of their big cities and you see hundreds of homeless all around you. Makes you really wonder where the hell their priorities truly lie.

    http://www.alternet.org/rights/154830/10_Unbelievably_Sh%2A%2Aty_Things_America_Does_to_Homeless_People/

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  47. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    (this is a companion to the earlier gay-lusting-homophobes story..)

    http://whoar.co.nz/2012/if-homophobes-are-secretly-gay-do-anti-pot-fanatics-secretly-wanna-get-high/

    “…A widely-publicized (and totally awesome) new study suggests that hating gay people is a sign that you might just be a bit gay yourself.

    ScienceDaily (Apr. 6, 2012) — Homophobia is more pronounced in individuals with an unacknowledged attraction to the same sex and who grew up with authoritarian parents who forbade such desires, a series of psychology studies demonstrates.

    This, of course, goes a long way towards explaining why the leaders of the anti-gay movement are constantly caught in delightfully gay situations –

    – but I wonder if it tells us anything about the anti-drug demagogues who’ve been insisting so strenuously that everyone sober up for the good of society.

    Maybe deep down inside they really just wanna party.

    Heck, it might even explain why Obama’s been so cold to us.

    After all, this guy used to get down pretty hard – but now he’s got a wife and kids and a really busy job being the President –

    – so he can’t exactly just twist one up whenever he feels like getting funky..”

    (cont..)

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  48. cha (4,076 comments) says:

    This LJ.

    http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1651002,00.html

    Fifty years ago, the U.S. had nearly 600,000 state hospital beds for people suffering from mental illness. Today, because of federal and state funding cuts, that number has dwindled to 40,000.

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  49. Viking2 (11,547 comments) says:

    Figures released today show Housing New Zealand’s spending on consultants has doubled from $10.8 million in 2008 to $20.6 million in 2011, while the Ministry of Agriculture and Forestry has tripled its use of consultants from $4.2 million in 2008 to $12.6 in 2011.

    The data, obtained under the Official Information Act by freelance journalist Keith Ng, shows the Ministry for the Environment was the biggest spender in the past three years, forking out $58.7 million on consultants.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6722921/Public-sector-cuts-have-failed-Labour-says

    After listening to a Senior person in housing tell about the efforts at “change management” by incompetent change mangers with no idea of what they were doing one has to agree it was just money wasted to satisfy John and his consultants budget.
    appalling stuff.
    The real stuff that matters is being handled by the long term career people who value their roles and have a passion for their management roles.

    Seen all this shit last time when Bolger and Shipley and co did the same thing. National never learns. Much as I despise Labour of the last term Labour usually are better.

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  50. Put it away (2,880 comments) says:

    So phool, since you’ve decided that “it takes one to know one” / “i know you are but what am I” is not actually a mindless slogan used by small children with no valid argument, but is in fact a scientifically sound truth, when are you going to confess that you, secretly, love munching down on a great big meaty sausage. ..eh..? Whoar!

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  51. Nookin (3,453 comments) says:

    Someone look look rather silly if he karks it.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/6720714/Mugabe-said-to-be-on-holiday-not-seriously-ill

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  52. graham (2,346 comments) says:

    Put it away: You do realise that philu is deliberately trying to get a reaction, don’t you? All he is trying to do is get people to respond to him. It doesn’t really matter whether he believes the whole “if you hate gays that’s because you are one yourself” thing or not – it’s just one topic guaranteed to get a response.

    He craves attention. DNFTT!

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  53. Keeping Stock (10,404 comments) says:

    @ Nookin – ‘E’s probably pining for the fjords….

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  54. Nookin (3,453 comments) says:

    FFS. Typing and reading something else at the same time. “Someone will…………..

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    Anyone else been getting weird server error messages on this site when using Chrome? Only started last night? You can still get other sites but not this one? Or is it just me?

    I’m using Firefox to write this post but just tried Chrome and still getting the error:

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  56. Leaping Jimmy (16,630 comments) says:

    This will be interesting: Latin American leaders pressing to end the prohibition policy on the grounds the war on drugs has failed.

    Gah.

    It’s interesting because the people who really want to keep the prohibition policy going are the ones who make so much fucking money out of it and guess who those people are and no, they’re not the drug cartels. (That’s just what “they” want the dumb sheeple to think. So who is “they?”)

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/07/war-drugs-latin-american-leaders

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  57. Nookin (3,453 comments) says:

    Leaping Jimmy: I think it is a prescription that deals with flatulence

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  58. Elaycee (4,403 comments) says:

    @Leaping Jimmy: I’m on Chrome and no issues.

    Apart from the malaise that currently plagues this site with an infestation of dots, dashes and question marks. eh? :D

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  59. kowtow (8,721 comments) says:

    The old evil “authoritarian parents” to blame excuse. Does anyone seriously credit the nut quacks with any genuinely scientific findings these days?Kinsey anybody?

    The old southern rednecks actually secretly envied their black neighbours, didn’t ya’ll know?

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  60. David Garrett (7,518 comments) says:

    kowtow: I believe “splitting some dark oak” was a well known rite of passage for young good ol’ boys from the South…

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  61. Chthoniid (2,047 comments) says:

    @Leaping Jimmy

    Using chrome here & experiencing no problems.

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  62. thedavincimode (6,867 comments) says:

    Spiderman!! Wither thou and wither the pics??

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  63. Leaping Jimmy (16,630 comments) says:

    OK, cheers Nookin, Elaycee and Chthoniid. How mystewious…

    I think I’ll take it personally and bury it inside my tummy along with all the other insults and sleights just waiting to be let loose at the appropriate moment. It’s funny but until Microsoft came along, I never used to do that…

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  64. Chthoniid (2,047 comments) says:

    @thedavincimode

    Did a couple of pics after the batshitcrazy was compelled to stop her stalking by the men-in-blue earlier this year. Wasn’t online on Easter Friday so nothing then. Service should resume :)

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  65. Weihana (4,583 comments) says:

    kowtow (1,706) Says:
    April 11th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    The old evil “authoritarian parents” to blame excuse. Does anyone seriously credit the nut quacks with any genuinely scientific findings these days?Kinsey anybody?

    The old southern rednecks actually secretly envied their black neighbours, didn’t ya’ll know?

    Is it unscientific because you have a genuine criticism of the method employed or simply because you disagree with the results?

    To explore participants’ explicit and implicit sexual attraction, the researchers measured the discrepancies between what people say about their sexual orientation and how they react during a split-second timed task. Students were shown words and pictures on a computer screen and asked to put these in “gay” or “straight” categories. Before each of the 50 trials, participants were subliminally primed with either the word “me” or “others” flashed on the screen for 35 milliseconds. They were then shown the words “gay,” “straight,” “homosexual,” and “heterosexual” as well as pictures of straight and gay couples, and the computer tracked precisely their response times. A faster association of “me” with “gay” and a slower association of “me” with “straight” indicated an implicit gay orientation.

    “In a predominately heterosexual society, ‘know thyself’ can be a challenge for many gay individuals. But in controlling and homophobic homes, embracing a minority sexual orientation can be terrifying,” explains Weinstein. These individuals risk losing the love and approval of their parents if they admit to same sex attractions, so many people deny or repress that part of themselves, she said.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120406234458.htm

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  66. thedavincimode (6,867 comments) says:

    “after the batshitcrazy was compelled to stop her stalking by the men-in-blue earlier this year”

    What what what what???

    m’baiter is a sheila!!?? Kinda fits (hormones).

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  67. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    @weihana

    “Is it unscientific because you have a genuine criticism of the method employed or simply because you disagree with the results?”

    There are lots of other questions you could ask about this “study”.
    How did they come to the conclusion is one of them.

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  68. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    http://whoar.co.nz/2012/reducing-income-inequality-is-the-key-to-economic-growth-time-to-pass-the-buffett-rule/

    “…But it should be obvious to anyone that if all of the income that results from increases in economic output flow to the top one percent of the population – then the rest of us won’t have that income to buy the increasing number of products and services that result from the increased productivity.

    What happens, then, is simple: economic growth stalls.

    Companies won’t hire people to produce more products and services if no one has the money to buy them, so they lay people off.

    Taken as a whole, the economy then has even fewer people with the money to buy new goods and services.

    Simply put, increasing economic inequality is a straight-forward formula for economic stagnation.

    At the beginning of the Great Depression, income inequality, and inequality in the control of wealth, were very high.

    Then came the great compression between 1929 and 1947.

    Real wages for workers in manufacturing rose 67 percent while real income for the richest 1 percent of Americans fell 17 percent.

    This period marked the birth of the American middle class.

    Two major forces drove these trends — unionization of major manufacturing sectors –

    – and the public policies of the New Deal…”

    (cont..)

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  69. Weihana (4,583 comments) says:

    Other_Andy,


    There are lots of other questions you could ask about this “study”.
    How did they come to the conclusion is one of them.

    Their method is outlined in the link I provided and which I quoted in part. In particular they measured discrepancies between explicit and implicit sexual orientation (as measured with a reaction time task) and correlated increased discrepancies with fathers who are more authoritarian and homophobic.

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  70. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    and of course the converse to the above was proven when shipley/richardson pauperised beneficiaries…

    ..the result/outcome..?…instant recession…

    ..(ask any retailer from the time…)

    ..and so down that slippery-slope we slid..

    ..which brings us to here/now..

    ..and it beggars belief that the rightwing can’t seem to understand..are ideologically blind to..

    ..the economic fact that the best way to revive an economy…

    ..is to increase the incomes of those at the bottom…

    ..for the simple reason that all of that increased income churns straight back into the economy..

    ..thus stimulating that economy…

    ..whereas giving more to the rich..

    ..just means they just stack more money into whatever..

    ..the money is totally un-churned…

    ..the economy is further unstimulated…

    ..what is so hard to understand/comprehend about that..?

    ..why do labour lack the guts/balls/intellect to argue such increases on pure economic-revival grounds..?

    ..what are they scared of..?

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  71. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    @weihana

    “….fathers who are more authoritarian and homophobic.”

    1. How do you measure authoritarian?
    2. ‘Homophobic’? I have never met anybody who is scared of homosexuals, have you?

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  72. Chthoniid (2,047 comments) says:

    @thedavincimode

    batshitcrazy= shorthand for woman with palpable mental health issues (she thought she was a prophet from god) who developed an erotomaniac delusion with me. The stalking was prolific, relentless and very disturbing. It kind of killed off the fun on being on the web for a while.

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  73. Weihana (4,583 comments) says:

    Other_Andy,

    1. The link has been provided if you wish to read it.
    2. Not that I know of, but that is not really the meaning that is being ascribed to the word. The meaning of the word includes a dislike of homosexuals as well as a fear.

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  74. wat dabney (3,805 comments) says:

    The real scientists of NASA are tired of charlatans like Hansen and Schmidt ruining the reputation of that once prestigious and respected organisation.

    ’49 former NASA scientists and astronauts sent a letter to NASA Administrator Charles Bolden last week admonishing the agency for it’s role in advocating a high degree of certainty that man-made CO2 is a major cause of climate change while neglecting empirical evidence that calls the theory into question.

    We, the undersigned, respectfully request that NASA and the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) refrain from including unproven remarks in public releases and websites. We believe the claims by NASA and GISS, that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated, especially when considering thousands of years of empirical data. With hundreds of well-known climate scientists and tens of thousands of other scientists publicly declaring their disbelief in the catastrophic forecasts, coming particularly from the GISS leadership, it is clear that the science is NOT settled.

    The unbridled advocacy of CO2 being the major cause of climate change is unbecoming of NASA’s history of making an objective assessment of all available scientific data prior to making decisions or public statements.

    As former NASA employees, we feel that NASA’s advocacy of an extreme position, prior to a thorough study of the possible overwhelming impact of natural climate drivers is inappropriate. We request that NASA refrain from including unproven and unsupported remarks in its future releases and websites on this subject. At risk is damage to the exemplary reputation of NASA, NASA’s current or former scientists and employees, and even the reputation of science itself.“‘

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/10/hansen-and-schmidt-of-nasa-giss-under-fire-engineers-scientists-astronauts-ask-nasa-administration-to-look-at-emprical-evidence-rather-than-climate-models/

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  75. wat dabney (3,805 comments) says:

    Leaping Jimmy,

    I think what you’re seeing are just posts from philu.

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  76. mikenmild (11,627 comments) says:

    I wonder what percentage of former NASA scientists and astronauts signed that letter.

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  77. Leaping Jimmy (16,630 comments) says:

    The meaning of the word includes a dislike of homosexuals as well as a fear.

    Is it OK to be a straight guy who doesn’t even want to think about two guys bumming each other because the mental image does nothing for him, or does that make such a person a homophobe as well, (even if he’s not scared of gays per se)?

    I think what you’re seeing are just posts from philu.

    Well wat the timing is certainly curious, starting just after I told phil last night I wasn’t really very interested in having any further conversations with him. I think you might be onto something.

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  78. eszett (2,426 comments) says:

    2. ‘Homophobic’? I have never met anybody who is scared of homosexuals, have you?

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homophobia

    homophobia
    noun
    unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.

    If look at some of the posts that are sometimes posted here by certain individuals you certainly get the impression that they not only harbour antipathy towards but a great deal of fear of homosexuals

    Is it OK to be a straight guy who doesn’t even want to think about two guys bumming each other because the mental image does nothing for him, or does that make such a person a homophobe as well

    I don’t think anyone really cares what you think or fantasize about, O_A.

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  79. thedavincimode (6,867 comments) says:

    Spiderman

    How unpleasant.

    I had always assumed that the waterwoman was a prophet from the deranged, unwashed and terminally unemployed.

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  80. wat dabney (3,805 comments) says:

    mikenmild,

    That’s right mate, you keep that mind of yours closed tight. Remember: they can’t make you think.

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  81. mikenmild (11,627 comments) says:

    Well, you’re the one trumpeting it – what percentage do you think: 10%, 1%, 0.1%, 0.01%?

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  82. Weihana (4,583 comments) says:

    Leaping Jimmy,


    Is it OK to be a straight guy who doesn’t even want to think about two guys bumming each other…

    Isn’t that the definition of being a straight man?

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  83. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    “Not that I know of, but that is not really the meaning that is being ascribed to the word. The meaning of the word includes a dislike of homosexuals as well as a fear.”

    Maybe in Newspeak but it is not realy the proper meaning of a phobia. A phobia is a “fear” or “morbid fear”.
    Labeling somebody ‘homophobic’ is more a way of closing an argument.
    You are either a 100% behind ‘the cause’ or you are labeled ‘homophobic’.
    No argument.

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  84. mikenmild (11,627 comments) says:

    I think homophobia was originally used to describe the fear of a straight man that he might be a homosexual. Word meanings do change over time, though, see: ‘Gay’.

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  85. thedavincimode (6,867 comments) says:

    “..what are they scared of..” demented drug-addled little magpie?

    Simple. The possibility that some lying lazy bludging little shit is held up by Liebour’s opponents as an example of what happens when living on the bludge becomes a viable lifestyle choice.

    And what’s this nonsense about “giving to the rich”. Nobody “gives” money to the “rich”, whomever they may be (presumably, people who actually work). On the contrary, it can be said that the reverse is true.

    What’s more, why are you commenting about economic issues when you have not ever spent a productive day in your entire life and choose to sit on your arse and remain as a dead weight cost to our society? How is it that your warped little bird brain can so distort reality as to convince yourself that you are some sort of advocate for the down-trodden in our society when you are instead a parasitic burden on their backs? You aren’t helping them. You are leeching off them and giving them a bad rap in the process.

    What a silly fellow.

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  86. Weihana (4,583 comments) says:

    wat dabney,

    I tend to agree that claims of “catastrophic” anthropogenic climate change are not proven. But if they are going to issue a statement based on their authority as former NASA scientists then surely their credentials should be more relevant to the field of knowledge in question. I note many comments at WUWT scornfully anticipating criticism of the credentials of these scientists, but it’s a fair criticism when people rely on their credentials to give their proclamations credibility.

    If climate scientists issued a statement on rocket propulsion would such statements be given much notice? Yet it seems climate scientists are considered by many at WUWT to lack any expertise at all. The underlying assumption seems to be that rocket scientists are the true scientists and climate scientists are either idiots or have a vested interest in promoting AGW in order to secure more research funding.

    This seems to reflect a rejection of climate science as a legitimate discipline. Perhaps because rockets are big and loud and the results can be clearly observed by the layman, yet the achievements of climate scientists are more abstract and more difficult to visualize.

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  87. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    one benefit of that epic-thread yesterday..

    ..is that the subject-matter was canvassed every which way…

    ..so..whenever it starts up again…all i have to say…

    ..is go to get all yr questions answered..on that day..

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  88. wat dabney (3,805 comments) says:

    mikenmild,

    The significance of the letter, clearly, is that trained scientific minds signed up to it and therefore the alarmists cannot pretend that the science is settled and is on their side. Instead you have to look at the evidence and facts for yourself.

    Not you, of course. You can go on believing whatever you like. Free country etc.

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  89. wat dabney (3,805 comments) says:

    Weihana,

    If climate scientists issued a statement on rocket propulsion would such statements be given much notice?

    No, because rocket science is a rigorous discipline, the principles of which are well understood. Climate, by contrast, is infinately complex and only barely understood.

    What is a “climate scientist”: someone who knows a bit about the chemistry of the atmosphere but who knows virtually nothing about the various feedback mechanisms and all the other agents which influence climate.

    The whole climate alarm rests on the claim that there are positive feedback mechanisms which will greatly enhance the very modest direct effect of CO2. Yet there is no evidence whatsoever for this claim, and in fact what evidence there is shows that feedback is slightly negative.

    You may have seen the alarmists use a medical analogy: if you had cancer you’d trust the specialist doctor over other people’s opinions. But the analogy is false because climate scientists aren’t the equivalent of cancer specialists, they are the equivalent of medieval quacks.

    What would happen if a rocket scientist manipulated data like Hansen, or concealed contradictory evidence like Mann when creating the notorious Hockeystick?

    In short, rocket scientists are real scientists.

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  90. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    “If climate scientists issued a statement on rocket propulsion would such statements be given much notice?”

    The ones that signed the letter don’t comment on ‘climarte science’ itself, they critise the failure of NASA, and specifically the Goddard Institute For Space Studies (GISS), to make an objective assessment of all available scientific data on climate change. They charge that NASA is relying too heavily on complex climate models that have proven scientifically inadequate in predicting climate only one or two decades in advance.

    Credentials are important, yes. But to focus on credentials only is wrong (argumentum ad verecundiam).
    And James E. Hansen who heads the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York City and who is a vocal AGW’r isn’t a climate scientist either. This though shouldn’t have any bearing on the argument either.

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  91. Nostalgia-NZ (5,270 comments) says:

    http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/13388111/sex-change-women-allowed-to-enter-miss-universe/

    Has Donald Trump simply changed the rules to allow transgender models to take part in his Miss Universe contest in order to become the next winner?

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  92. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Regarding knowitall leeches upon their fellows.

    i note that in the last two days several correspondents on this site have declared
    that in the future they will refuse to engage with philu/magpie. whatever.

    This is good.

    The more regular correspondents that join that club the better this blog will be for all.

    A quick read through todays GD reveals that with the excepion of Put it away @ 12.43
    the bludging leech has been talking to himself… post after post trying to get a bite.
    Only one bite.

    Maybe ‘Put it away’ may also consider sending this POS to Coventry untill he declares that he is
    looking for a job …………just a thought.

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  93. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    maybe thedavincimode may see some merit in my suggestion @ 7.15

    He seems to be a reasonable person.

    The thing is, when you have an article like, say, philu you need to understand that the one thing he fears
    above all others is that he will be ignored.

    This is because he has no other life, other than mocking honest people on this blog.

    So long as he can get otherwise reasonable people to respond to him then that gives him
    creditability in his mind.

    Why not join in and send the POS to Coventry ?

    Your other option is to be his marionette.

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  94. Steve (4,587 comments) says:

    No bite yet bereal. Idea is good. Change the bait

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  95. Put it away (2,880 comments) says:

    Ha, you guys clearly have never seen phool’s blog. He’s been wailing away in the silence for YEARS with no one reading or paying any attention. All his efforts of copying and pasting and ruining the formatting of other people’s work manages to attract about two reader comments a month. Being utterly miserably pathetically unwanted and unacknowledged is no deterrent to phool, he will happily keep posting here until he dies, regardless of whether you reply or not. You will not reduce his activity by ignoring him. You can’t assume he will react like a rational person. You must be new to this…

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  96. nasska (11,779 comments) says:

    A man requested a blonde female painter to paint him in the nude.
    “No” the talented blonde artist said. “I don’t do that sort of
    thing.”
    “I’ll increase your fee two times,” he said.
    “No, no thanks!!”
    “I’ll give five times as much as you normally get.”
    “Okay,” said the artist, “but you have to let me at least wear my
    socks. I need somewhere to place my brushes.”

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  97. David Garrett (7,518 comments) says:

    PIA: Two comments a month!! Brilliant! Yep, he’s a fuckn sage all right…

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  98. Steve (4,587 comments) says:

    Two reader comments a month? Wow, the Americans are going to swoop on that when he sells his ‘News Aggregation Site’

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  99. nasska (11,779 comments) says:

    PIA

    ….”manages to attract about two reader comments a month”……

    Any one we know?

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  100. Nostalgia-NZ (5,270 comments) says:

    Well that’s settled.
    The best way to not talk about somebody is to talk about them.
    Who would ever have thought?

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  101. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Put it away
    thats good.
    But please don’t miss my point.
    i know there is little chance of reducing his activity.

    But, if you don’t respond to him directly it will drive him stirr crazy.

    And why would you want to let a piece of shit like that be your puppet master ?

    Talk about the POS, thats fine, he is an interesting case for study as they say.

    But if he gets no direct response, no engagement, then that will chew his guts out.

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  102. nasska (11,779 comments) says:

    Handy Hint

    To attract a vegetarian, make a noise like a wounded vegetable.

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  103. Put it away (2,880 comments) says:

    beryl I’m no one’s puppet, I reply to him when I feel like having a laugh at his expense, no more, no less.

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  104. David Garrett (7,518 comments) says:

    I have to keep reminding myself “You are dealing with/trying to reason with/engaging with a brain damaged person! Stop it!”

    For some damn reason it’s just not that easy….It’s like that mosquito bite I mentioned yesterday….you just KNOW if you itch it it’s going to get worse….

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  105. Put it away (2,880 comments) says:

    nasska – I’ve never stuck round his ghost town of a blog long enough to pay much attention to who’s making the comments. Can’t say any familar names have stuck out though.

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  106. Steve (4,587 comments) says:

    Bagpiper at a Funeral

    As a bagpiper, I play many gigs. Recently I was asked by a
    Funeral director to play at a graveside service for a homeless
    Man. He had no family or friends, so the service was to be at a
    Pauper’s cemetery in the back country.

    As I was not familiar with the backwoods, I got lost and, being a typical man, I didn’t stop for directions.

    I finally arrived an hour late and saw the funeral guy had evidently
    Gone and the hearse was nowhere in sight. There were only the
    Diggers and crew left and they were eating lunch.

    I felt badly and apologized to the men for being late. I went to the
    Side of the grave and looked down and the vault lid was already in
    Place. I didn’t know what else to do, so I started to play.

    The workers put down their lunches and began to gather around. I played
    out my heart and soul for this man with no family and friends. I played like
    I’ve never played before for this homeless man.

    And as I played ‘Amazing Grace,’ the workers began to weep. They wept,
    I wept, we all wept together. When I finished I packed up my bagpipes
    and started for my car. Though my head hung low, my heart was full.

    As I opened the door to my car, I heard one of the workers say, “I
    Never seen nothin’ like that before and I’ve been putting in septic
    tanks for twenty years.”

    Apparently I’m still lost….it’s a man thing

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  107. nasska (11,779 comments) says:

    HOW AMERICAN ARE YOU?

    1. You decide that your relationship with you partner is over. How do you break the news that you are leaving?

    a) Leave a tearful note on the kitchen table and slip away into the night

    b) Attack him with a chair leg in front of a rabble of cheering, pumped up trailer trash vermin, on national television.

    2. Where are you most likely to find your local policeman?

    a) Outside the police house in the village mending a puncture on his bicycle.

    b) On his yacht, wearing a pastel suit with the sleeves rolled up, feeding his pet crocodile.

    3. Your fourteen year old son is going through a difficult phase. He is becoming disruptive at school and a recluse at home. What do you do?

    a) Don’t worry, it’s just a phase he is going through. You were the same at his age.

    b) Take him to the local supermarket and buy him an arsenal of weaponry and enough ammo to kill a small town.

    4. You and your pals decide to go to the park and have a game of football. What do you bring?

    a) A ball and two coats (for goalposts)

    b) A ball, 50 crash helmets, 4 tonnes of body armour, 20 cheer leaders, a marching souza band and a team of orthopedic surgeons specialising in spinal injuries.

    5. You are driving along a country road when you accidentally run over a rabbit. What do you do?

    a) Stop and see how badly injured it is, taking it to a vet if it’s alive.

    b) Strap it across the hood of your car and drive home hooping and a hollering, while throwing empty cans of Budweiser out the window.

    6. You wake up one morning with a sore neck. What do you do?

    a) Ignore it, it will probably go away.

    b) Take yourself to a prostitute addicted televangelist faith healer in an ill fitting wig, who will lay his hands on you, whilst screaming about devils in front of an audience of gibbering inbreds.

    7. What do you have for breakfast?

    a) A bowl of cornflakes, a slice of toast and a coffee.

    b) A bag of donuts with ice cream, a 32 ounce steak with 6 eggs sunny side up, fifteen pancakes covered in a gallon of maple syrup, a dozen waffles, 5 corn dogs and a diet root beer.

    8. What kind of car do you drive?

    a) A small economical runabout

    b) A forty foot long chromium plated jukebox that does 2 miles to the gallon.

    9. You decide to get married. What kind of ceremony do you have?

    a) A quiet little service with a few friends.

    b) A minute long mockery at a 24hr drive thru chapel in Las Vegas, presided over by a transvestite vicar dressed as Elvis.

    If you answered mostly As, you’re in no way American. You probably spell colour with a ‘U’.

    If you answered mostly Bs, you’re a card carrying member of Uncle Sam’s brigade and you’ve probably got 4th of July tattooed on your arse.

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  108. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Dear, ‘ Put it away ‘ @ 8.17

    You are wrong my friend.
    You are the puppet of philu.

    He pulls your strings. You jump. Justifying it doesn’t deny it.

    And, my dear friend, conjure with this truth.

    They are none so blind as those who cannot see.

    You will continue to be a puppet for the likes of philu untill you decide to stop.

    It’s in your hands.

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  109. Put it away (2,880 comments) says:

    beryl, you’re a mong

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  110. calendar girl (1,260 comments) says:

    “I can’t believe you are so fucking stupid. This is a case of a young kid executed in cold blood because of the color of his skin.”

    Call me fucking stupid as well if you like, Luc, but I prefer to wait until the charge of second degree murder is determined in a court of law. Until witnesses are heard and cross-examined, I cannot rely on your insightful predetermination of the case from 13,000km away.

    (Any verdict not in accord with your prejudiced view will be greeted, predictably, with allegations of racial bias in the USA judicial system. Or bribery. Or whatever it takes.)

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  111. calendar girl (1,260 comments) says:

    My comment immediately above was posted on the wrong thread. Apologies. Comment now transferred to GD 12 April.

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