General Debate 15 April 2012

April 15th, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    20 Spitfires buried in Burma during war to be returned to UK

    Twenty iconic Spitfire aircraft buried in Burma during the Second World War are to be repatriated to Britain after an intervention by David Cameron.
    The Prime Minister secured a historic deal that will see the fighter aircraft dug up and shipped back to the UK almost 67 years after they were hidden more than 40-feet below ground amid fears of a Japanese occupation.
    Advances in technology and the emergence of more agile jets meant they were never used and in July 1945, officials fearing a Japanese occupation abandoned them on the orders of Lord Louis Mountbatten, the head of South East Asia Command, two weeks before the atom bombs were dropped, ending the conflict.
    “They were just buried there in transport crates,” Mr Cundall said. “They were waxed, wrapped in greased paper and their joints tarred. They will be in near perfect condition.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9203822/Spitfires-buried-in-Burma-during-war-to-be-returned-to-UK.html

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  2. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    Why don’t we get ads of this quality?

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  3. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    http://whoar.co.nz/2012/7-bizarre-foods-youll-be-eating-in-the-future-photos/

    “…Back in 1932, Winston Churchill predicted that we’d be eating lab-grown meat within 50 years.

    The Bulldog was way off – but he will be vindicated before long.

    It’s pretty well established that our cow-pig-sheep addiction eats up too much land – too much water –

    – and produces way too much global warming-inducing flatulence.

    Something must give.

    We’ll have more fake meats derived from plants and mushrooms –

    – and we’ll have lab-grown, stem-cell spawned hamburgers.

    People invariably raise the Yuck Factor protest in any discussion of test-tube meat.

    But what’s yucky about a greenhouse-gas reducing meat that eliminates the need for slaughterhouses –

    – and massive, stinky factory farms that pump animals with antibiotic and growth hormones?..”

    (cont..)

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  4. thedavincimode (6,800 comments) says:

    Good morning idiot.

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  5. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    http://whoar.co.nz/2012/6-people-you-need-to-start-a-revolution/

    “…Successful change movements run on diversity.

    Here are the essential skill sets no revolution can win without…”

    (cont..)

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  6. flipper (4,083 comments) says:

    Anyone notice the lobbying piece on the Nation (Unsworth and Allen interview)?
    Unsworth needs to keep his hands firmly planted on the desk – or take valium. His nervous twitches (hands shaking) indicated something less than favourable for his shadowy craft.
    Allen’s suggestion of an MP/Minister log of ALL visitors/contacts each day is excellent. Just add the subjects discussed.
    Let’s have one.

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  7. Redbaiter (9,098 comments) says:

    Same old same old idiots with the same old tripe.

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  8. Viking2 (11,488 comments) says:

    Working mothers caught in childcare trap.

    Well apparently kids have become pickup, put down toyss in thier life scheme of things and we the taxpayer must pay for thier lack of reponsibility and thier need to have these luvely pd/pu toys.
    CHARLES ANDERSON
    Last updated 05:00 15/04/2012

    Hannah Denton says paying for childcare for son Oliver in order to go back work wasn’t economically worthwhile.
    STAYING AT HOME: Hannah Denton says paying for childcare for son Oliver in order to go back work wasn’t economically worthwhile.

    A generation of young, educated New Zealand women is being lost to the workforce because they can’t afford childcare.

    Many tertiary educated and trained mothers are deciding to retrain as teachers or nurses, professions that offer more flexible work options.

    Some are opting for temp work, and others said returning to the workforce was not worth their while.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6744907/Working-mothers-caught-in-childcare-trap

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  9. Viking2 (11,488 comments) says:

    Further to ACC yesterday here is an even bigger rip off.
    Funders of ACC now apparently need to pay for non funders from offshore when they lose their lives.
    How can this be.?

    NZ steps up for widows after trawler tragedy
    MICHAEL FIELD
    Last updated 05:00 15/04/2012

    Indonesian widow Eula, with her child and mother.
    FAITH RESTORED: Indonesian widow Eula, with her child and mother.

    The widows of Indonesian fishermen who died when a Korean boat sank in New Zealand waters in 2010 have finally received compensation – not from the vessel’s owners or insurers, but from the taxpayer-funded Accident Compensation Corporation.

    For some of them, the ACC payment amounts to seven times what they earn in a year.

    So far South Korea’s Sajo Oyang Corporation, owners of the 38-year-old trawler Oyang 70, have done nothing for the families of five Indonesians killed when the vessel sank in 2010 in calm waters 740km off the Otago coast.

    Not criticising the ladies from Indonesia but where is the accountability of the companies that refuse to pay both their fishermen and their NZ taxes and the hori’s that supposedly own the quota.
    One fucking great rip off again.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6744698/NZ-steps-up-for-widows-after-trawler-tragedy

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  10. Nookin (3,354 comments) says:

    Flipper

    I liked the suggestion that the media must disclose who they have been talking to as well. Rachel didn’t have much to say about that, eh?

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  11. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    You saying she’s best off at home anyway V2 ? She should be satisfied at home with the kids? Horses for courses.

    http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2012/04/load-of-misogynist-twattle.html

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  12. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    V2
    If you are wanting to make a point, you might do a better job without derogatory terms like ‘hori’.

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  13. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    And Philler.

    If God didn’t want us to eat animals he wouldn’t have made them meat flavored.

    MMMMM mmmmm

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  14. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    Flipper, re the lobbying on The Nation, the bill sounds grand in principle but I don’t see how it’s going to be done in practice. And it may be trying to fix something that really isn’t broken. It could end up requiring more bureacrcary and less available communication between politicians and everyone else.

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  15. Viking2 (11,488 comments) says:

    Kakapo move to the North Isalnd.
    http://gewius.com/?p=278

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  16. Brian Smaller (4,023 comments) says:

    Hannah Denton says paying for childcare for son Oliver in order to go back work wasn’t economically worthwhile.
    STAYING AT HOME: Hannah Denton says paying for childcare for son Oliver in order to go back work wasn’t economically worthwhile.

    That is called making an economic decision.

    Whatever happened to paying the lady next door or down the road to look after your kids while you were at work? Now there are so many regulations and rules that it has become an industry and costs have gone up accordingly. Well done. We had a ‘care-giver’ who lived in Naenae and looked after our kids so damned well and the price was dirt cheap – about $3.00 per hour it worked out at. For years they used to pick them up after school and look after them until I got there about 4:30-5pm until I managed more flexible work arrangements.

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  17. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    http://whoar.co.nz/2012/commentwhoar-qa-a-review-3/

    holmes asks the very relevant question of:..

    ‘who knew that the government had that veto right over the will of a majority of parliament..?..”

    taurima then interviews energy minister heatley..who tries to sell the idea that if we want things like more parental-leave…

    ..we have to drill-baby-drill..!…

    ..he then tries to sell drill-baby-drill..!

    ..’cos of the jobs it will create..

    ..he then tells us there is nothing-to-see around fracking..

    ..taurima lists all the countries where fracking is banned..

    ..and asks heatley what he knows more to be able to wave away concerns..

    ..heatleys main case seems to be that because we have been doing it here for so long…there is obviously nothing-to-see-there..

    heatley then tries to defend open-cast-mining the denniston plateau..

    ..(but won’t discuss it..aside from his spin..because ‘it’s before the court’..)

    ..taurima then raises the very significant fact of the lousy royalties we receive for all this dirty-energy..

    ..(heatley says cheerily about our low rates:..’it’s pretty good..isn’t it..?’..)

    ..taurima then has a gotcha!-moment..and lists/compares other countries that get over twice as much as we do…

    (btw..brownlee was the one who struck the most recent lousy deal with the dirty-energy-sellers..)

    (commentator/fmr green mp..-kedgeley notes that the oil-drilling the govt is pushing is in very deep water…with no ability here to deal with any accidents..)

    rightwing/academic-commentator robinson also notes how pathetic the royalty-rates the dirty-energy-companies pay us..

    ..commentator/business-lobbyist o’reilly and holmes come on strong for the dirty-energy-companies..

    ..o’reilly says it is ‘all about risk-assesment’ (re any spills/accidents..

    ..kedgeley shoots him down by pointing out that if you have no ability to deal with any major accident..you don’t do it…

    ..holmes say that even if we have a major oil spill down here..that ‘the healing power of nature’ will fix everything up…

    ..holmes then defends fracking…

    ..and attempts a final put-down of kedgeley..’i’m sure they’ve heard you..!’..(obviously upset at her effective demolishing of his dirty-energy-company-pimping…)

    o’reilly then invites open derision..when he defends the pitiful low royalty rates we receive from the dirty-energy-companies..’cos ‘we are so far away’…(!)

    holmes then interviews english…and asks if aussie companies like us because of our low-wage-economy…

    ..and compounds that question by asking is that the reason so many are moving to australia..

    (cont..)

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  18. Viking2 (11,488 comments) says:

    Monique Watson (341) Says:
    April 15th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    You saying she’s best off at home anyway V2 ? She should be satisfied at home with the kids? Horses for courses.

    Um no. As usual you left types can’t read simple plain english nor comprehend it.
    I was saying that the lady made choices and has choices like all of us. I see no reason at all why she should not be responsible about her choices along with the other person who helped in that choice.
    I see no reason why other taxpayers should be harnessed to her family and her choices.

    Strange concept I know.

    Happy to give a hand up to those that need. Not interested in giving handouts to those that make bad choices and fail to take responsibility for those choices. This country is full of people who think that nanny state should wipe their bums all day everyday but nanny so often doesn’t help those in society that can’t help themselves.

    When you sort that out in your tiny mind you will see things from a better perspective.

    As I pointed out kids are NOT pickup/ put down toys to be taken up as a HOBBY for the sake of feeling good. They are a full time committment for at least 18 years. Can’t understand why educated people just don’t understand that. Do you?

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  19. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    I agree in most respects with Brian. There should be no minimum wage for casual hours.

    Snort I just got called a left-leftwinger.

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  20. Falafulu Fisi (2,179 comments) says:

    A classic favorite dance funk of mine, which may help those who have hangovers from last night out there. who want a smooth recovery (if you watch it). The dance move/s is called broken wing (some call it grasshopper).

    Phil U, I did the grasshopper move last night at Longroom bar last night and 2 chicks came up to the dance floor and danced with me. If you can’t get a job Phil, I suggest you learn hiphop as a hobby, because you’ll definitely get laid when you go out dancing.

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  21. Nostalgia-NZ (5,220 comments) says:

    http://nz.sports.yahoo.com/rugby/news/article/-/13419681/strachan-questions-impact-of-senior-blues-players/

    Something for berea, it goes along with the concept that among the blues there are individuals who favour individual appearances and elevate self importance. Contrast that with the crusaders, no egos at work, no world cup hangovers, just getting about their work as a team. I don’t know if there is a place for individualism in any term, but certainly not in a losing team, that has lost its identity and winning culture. It seems some of the blues players are too famous in their own minds, I’d prefer the crusaders model where everything comes down to team culture and public perception of that. I’d prefer to see a losing team that were consistent in appearance, not using ‘look at me I’m an individual’ duplicity but getting into the hard work of being a team player.

    For all the various comments about Lam, I just wonder if he hasn’t let himself be too influenced by culture other than rugby culture and not got the hard message across that it’s his way or the highway, right down to an appearance code and on field conduct. Meanwhile Dalton seems to be a ditherer, as Strachnan points out, there are questions about the ex hurricane players, the contracting of whom, now appears to have been a complete match for the players mindset that one good play will turn a game overlooking that only consistent, hard work 80 min, low risk rugby is what the blues require.

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  22. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    African awards in Christchurch..What a joke..When is this lot going to stump up for all their victims?

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  23. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..If God didn’t want us to eat animals he wouldn’t have made them meat flavored…”

    you will still be able to eat meat..but the animals will no longer need to suffer..as they do now…

    ..this is why i am so ‘up’ on this lab-meat…

    ..i’ don’t want to eat the stuff..but i also see the world isn’t going to suddenly stop eating flesh…

    ..and this is the best bet to lessen/stop those animal-concentration camps..

    ..and hopefully eventually stop..the wholesale suffering that flesh is currently drenched in..

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  24. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    one of the more amusing converstion conversations i had around this subject was with brian edwards on his blog..shortly before he banned/banished me…

    ..edwards’ sniffily noted how he could never stop eating meat ‘cos he so loved the taste of thinks like franfurters..

    ..(the most warned-against/carcinogenic of all flesh/meats..but there are none so blind as those determined not to see..eh..?..)

    ..edwards was silent to my pointing out that he would be right as home as a vegan..

    ..as all the fake-meat products some vegans use..(fake sausages etc…)..?

    ..they all taste just like those carcinogenic-bangers..

    ..as i said..he was silent to my pointing this out to him..

    ..and shortly thereafter banned/banished me..

    ..heh..!..eh..?

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  25. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    Where are we with the Foreshore and seabed? I recall Dr Hugh Barr on Radio NZ and Linda Clarke (emphatic) like a bull frog “oh, it’s rubbish!”??
    Looks like it will be debated and fought at local level?

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  26. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Other_Andy @ 8.02

    Thankyou for the link to that wonderful story.

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  27. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    I see Chinas #4 is coming to Chch. There was a practice? today along Orchard Row and the red flags were out in force for our colonial Great Father.

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  28. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    Ah yes the real estate industry sees a great future and as the policy institutes have argued (and been given the great tick) , New Zealand needs a bigger population before it can get up and go with the #8 wire cultural advantage.
    yeah right :wink:

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  29. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    Greens Rebuff Pavletich
    and Cox and Koch and Lomborg and Boehner

    http://www.greens.org.nz/press-releases/relaxing-urban-limits-will-lead-sprawl-and-less-productive-economy

    Greens Selectively quote Productivity Commission and Savings Working Group

    [Ging. might be interested in this:

    80% of our population growth in the last couple of decades has been the net inflow of non NZ citizens .
    “Among policy and analytical circles in New Zealand there is a pretty high degree of enthusiasm for high levels of immigration. Some of that stems from the insights of literature on increasing returns to scale. Whatever the general global story, the actual productivity track record here in the wake of very strong inward migration is poor. In an Australian context, the Productivity Commission – hardly a hot-bed of xenophobia or populism – concluded that any benefits from migration to Australia were captured by migrants and there were few or no discernible economic benefits to Australians. And that was in a country already rich and successful and with materially higher national saving and domestic investment rates than those in NZ.”
    http://www.treasury.govt.nz/downloads/pdfs/mi-jarrett-comm.pdf

    Government policies blamed for house prices
    “Immigration and tax breaks for investment in residential property are being cited as the underlying causes of steep increases in the cost of housing over the past decade.
    New Zealand now boasts one of the highest rates of home unaffordability in the world as a result of prices rising far faster than incomes, and the government’s Savings Working Group blames that squarely on the policies of successive governments.
    Although “the favourable tax treatment of property investment” accounted for about 50% of house price increases between 2001 and 2007, the working group said, there was also strong evidence that rapid swings in immigration brought about price-rise “shocks”.
    There was a sharp spike in immigration in 2001, 2002 and 2003 and, said working group committee member Dr Andrew Coleman, it appeared that property prices did not fall anywhere near as greatly when immigration fell again.
    The report added that there was little evidence that immigration boosted local incomes. In fact, the need to build roads and schools meant that net migration contributed to the national deficit. ”
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/4622459/Government-policies-blamed-for-house-prices

    Cheers :wink: ]

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  30. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Nostalgia-NZ
    Some wise comments from Ant Strachan.
    Mentions appearance and haircuts also.

    i was dead set serious yesterday when i suggested the first thing Pat Lam should do to try and turn
    things around for the Blues was to take the whole squad down to the barber shop and get them all
    a short back and sides.

    Some greats from Auckland rugby of the past must cringe with embarrasment when they see the way
    this current crew of poofters turn themselves out.
    A double plaited pig tail down to your arsehole FFS.

    A poofter like Nonu fits right in with that type of crap. (why does he need orange coloured boots ?)
    Maybe it’s to match the little pieces of rags that he ties in his hair.

    Andy Dalton was a great All Black, but CEO, oh dear me.

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  31. Viking2 (11,488 comments) says:

    Monique Watson (344) Says:
    April 15th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    I agree in most respects with Brian. There should be no minimum wage for casual hours.

    Snort I just got called a left-leftwinger.

    Pink enough to argue that other taxpayers should pay for other taxpayers privileges.
    That’s a hall mark of the left.
    So left you are untill you mend your ways.

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  32. Viking2 (11,488 comments) says:

    mikenmild (3,651) Says:
    April 15th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    V2
    If you are wanting to make a point, you might do a better job without derogatory terms like ‘hori’.

    Why.
    Its a free country and they have been Hori’s all my life.

    Until you bleeding heart wankers came along and tried to save the world from itself. Go join Greenpeace its about your level of bullshit.

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  33. Viking2 (11,488 comments) says:

    NZ should be getting more from mining

    Sunday, 15, Apr, 2012 9:52AM

    The Energy Minister has admitted New Zealand isn’t getting enough in royalties from mining.

    Phil Heatley says the Government is reviewing royalty rates, as it opens up vast areas for exploration.

    He says there’s probably not much scope to raise the 43c in the dollar charged to companies extracting oil and gas, because New Zealand is remote and it would drive investors away.

    But he’s told TVNZ’s Q&A programme miners extracting coal, gold and minerals can expect to pay more.

    “If we are going to do more mining, more oil and gas exploration, and we are saying that we want to put that into schools and hospitals and all these other things New Zealand wants then we do need to make sure that we are getting our pound of flesh.”

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  34. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Other_Andy (1,461) Says:
    April 15th, 2012 at 8:02 am

    “20 Spitfires buried in Burma during war to be returned to UK”.

    We should get them returned to NZ. Could replace the A4’s Aunty scrapped.

    Better aerodynamic qualities and a far more fearsome weapon than the shitty NH90’s Goofy bought on our behalf! :)

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  35. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Did any of you ever hear that tale about why Aunty hated the RNZAF? :)

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  36. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    Do you pay for absolutely all your own medical care V2? Do you get any subsidized medical visits? Did you get a subsidized tertiary education? Be careful you might be a pot calling a kettle black.

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  37. Viking2 (11,488 comments) says:

    Give me my taxes back and I will no problem.
    Stop using my earnings to prop up the useless and the moaners. I can do that myself if I want.

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  38. Viking2 (11,488 comments) says:

    Legal row over ACC blog
    KIRSTY JOHNSTON
    Last updated 11:22 15/04/2012

    A senior medical officer in ACC’s sensitive claims unit has made legal threats to a blogger who posted information about his employment history, in the wake of a mass privacy breach.

    Peter Dodwell, the branch medical advisor of the unit that deals with rape and abuse victims, was fired from his previous job in Australia over a privacy issue.

    Both Dodwell and ACC’s senior medical advisor, Peter Jansen, have threatened legal action against blogger Kyle Macdonald, a psychotherapist who regularly speaks out against the corporation

    Oh dear here we go again.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6746061/Legal-row-over-ACC-blog

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  39. Viking2 (11,488 comments) says:

    Johnboy (7,283) Says:
    April 15th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Did any of you ever hear that tale about why Aunty hated the RNZAF? :)

    Nah never did Johnboy. Care to tell? 8)

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  40. Nostalgia-NZ (5,220 comments) says:

    bereal

    I agree with the sentiment.
    I had one coach who was an ex WW2 vet and a previous holder of a nz heavyweight boxing champion title and knew where I played, ask me at the beginning of a new season, and a new team of which he was the coach saying ‘where do you play?’
    ‘Anywhere.’ After which he explained that’s what he liked, and how he didn’t like players telling him where they wanted to play. Sometimes I think that might have resulted in very high marks in tech drawing and engineering later that year. Who knows.

    On Nonu, I’ve got use to him, more so because I think it was his response to all the talk about SBW going to take 2nd 5/8 for the WC that was big part of our winning. He came back from that talk with a vengeance that I think helped gel the team into the WC. But overall, I’m not big on individualism in any form when it comes to team sport, if your thinking about yourself you’re not thinking about the team. Ali Williams was arguably the best lock in 2007 WC, but when I see him smile at a mistake I realise his rugby mind has departed the scene. 10 man rugby would help, but the coach leaving the glamour boys on the sidelines until they complied to the ethic and turn out would get my vote – because there’s nothing like everyone knowing the rules that are all the same for every player.

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  41. Leaping Jimmy (16,509 comments) says:

    Sunday cognitive dissonance: how the media influences your mind – high level overview

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  42. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Seems that they had a “Bring a dog” night at Ohakea V2. A prize was up for grabs to the winner.
    One of the lads latched on to Aunty who thought it was great to be snatched up by a daring aviator.
    Later in the evening she discovered the truth and has hated the Airforce ever since.

    It has never been reported if her erstwhile Beau won the prize! :)

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  43. DJP6-25 (1,388 comments) says:

    nasska 8:04 am. Because most of the ad agency’s customers are fairly timid. Also many people who work for ad agencies aren’t very imaginitive. So, when you see excellence in advertising, it really stands out. Oh, thanks for the link.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  44. DJP6-25 (1,388 comments) says:

    Other_Andy 8:02 am. Thanks for the link. Plenty of flight simmers will be very interested. It sounds like they will be in good condition. As there are 20 of them, and they’re all the same type, they could keep 10, and sell the rest to individuals, and institutions. They’d soon be rolling in the necessary cash.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  45. Leaping Jimmy (16,509 comments) says:

    Good doco on the GFC

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  46. Falafulu Fisi (2,179 comments) says:

    LJ, all origin of financial crisis can be traced back to government interference in the free markets. Most people don’t understand this. Here is an explanation from the point of view of Austrian Economics.

    Root cause of the crisis

    The severity of this shows up in what economists called business cycle and econo-physicists called it (economic/financial fluctuations since periodicity in the markets doesn’t really exist).

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  47. Leaping Jimmy (16,509 comments) says:

    FF, in my reading it was caused by too little regulation. If you let people do whatever they want in the markets, they will lie, cheat and steal. This is what happened.

    And it wasn’t accidental, it was by design, by politicians allowing bankers to do it, in return for massive donations.

    People need prison time for this, I mean finance ministers, prime ministers, CEOs and presidents. They do. This was not an innocent stumbling and bumbling which all just happened by accident.

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  48. Falafulu Fisi (2,179 comments) says:

    LJ, the only lawmaker in the US who understands of why business cycle occurs is Ron Paul, that’s why he’s going after the Fed Reserve. The very existence of the Fed, is the problem. The Fed create money out of thin air, which is allowed by law. In a free markets, that won’t happen and financial institutions won’t trade recklessly as what happened in the recent crisis, because it human nature.

    It is not because of less regulation. It is because of over regulation and government involvement in the economy.

    Here’s something to ponder. Do you really think that with all the heavy regulation imposed in the financial markets because of recent crisis, will prevent future crisis? Think about it. IT WILL NOT STOP FUTURE FINANCIAL CRISES. That’s fact. There have been crises in the last 100 years with every time it has happened, more regulations were imposed. The fact is, it hasn’t stopped crises, has it? What makes anyone thinks that more regulations will stop future crises? Well, the answer if for Govt to get out of the way of free markets.

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  49. Falafulu Fisi (2,179 comments) says:

    Ron Paul and the Austrian Theory of the Business Cycle

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  50. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Just thought I should post this.

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  51. Falafulu Fisi (2,179 comments) says:

    Why the Meltdown Should Have Surprised No One

    Its worth watching.

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  52. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    fisi said:..

    “..There have been crises in the last 100 years with every time it has happened, more regulations were imposed…”

    the fact is that controls on the banksters were imposed ofter the crash in the 30’s…and they stopped any further crashes…

    “.. The fact is, it hasn’t stopped crises, has it? …”

    well it did work until those regulations were removed under clinton…then the banksters were free to again rob &steal…

    “..What makes anyone thinks that more regulations will stop future crises?…”

    ..because the banksters will be brought back under control..

    “.. Well, the answer if for Govt to get out of the way of free markets…”

    so we can have another bubble/crash sequence/cycle…?

    ..why exactly should we let the banksters just do that again..?

    ..do you hope to make out like a bandit in any bubble-building..?

    ..’cos i can’t see any rational reason for yr claims..

    ..leading to the conclusion yr motives must be self-interest..

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  53. Falafulu Fisi (2,179 comments) says:

    Phil, you should read more on economics. Your comment above makes you look uneducated even with your claimed M.A in political studies. Read & watch the videos that I have posted above and stop fucking comment as if you know. I have read tons & tons of peer review papers on economic analysis & theoretical model development. I know what I’m talking about. How about you stick to being a useless cunt.

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  54. Redbaiter (9,098 comments) says:

    Shut the fuck up Phil- the socialism you and the rest of the left believe in is merely mass selfishness.

    You fucking self absorbed commies wrecking our economies and ripping off our grandchildren to pay for your unearned and totally unreal standard of living are nobody to be calling anyone else selfish.

    There is nothing more selfish than the mass self-absorption of socialism.

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  55. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    Most socialists are miserable people leading miserable lives.
    Their aim is to spread it.

    “Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”

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  56. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2012/04/arab-spring-and-bearing-on-pacific.html

    Socialism is cultish thinking. You’d be surprised how easily catching cults are.

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  57. Nostalgia-NZ (5,220 comments) says:

    Falufulu

    I watched all that. When ever I watch Ron Paul links I tend to view the associated links. I can’t see why he infuriates some people. I liked his point that the car makers should be bailed out but with private money where investors will pay the value like with any other investment. I also like his view that the states shouldn’t be empire building because of the destructive financial abyss it creates. I’ve had the view that you don’t assist a country by destroying its infra structure, nor assist your own by needing to rebuild it.

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  58. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    once again..cut the crap red..!

    fact/reality-check:…the biggest welfare-payouts/’rip-offs’ in history have been corporate-welfare payouts to banksters…

    and it wasn’t the workers/working class who destroyed the economy..eh..

    it was yr rightwing banksters..

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  59. Redbaiter (9,098 comments) says:

    You’re a selfish arsehole stealing from the working class Phil.

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  60. Steve (4,564 comments) says:

    There is that noise again, sort of a squark from something left wanting.
    Not there all of the time, just now and then, like a baby wanting a tit to suck and a mother willing to do it.

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  61. Steve (4,564 comments) says:

    There are jobs available, start at 7.30am in the morning if you can be bothered applying. You get a 10 min break at 10am, you get lunch 12.00 to 12.30, then you get 10 min at 3pm, and at 4.30 you can fuck off and get stoned or pissed or whatever.
    But be back next morning to start WORKING at 7.30am

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  62. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    Little Johnny O’Brien, a fine Catholic lad, was out looking for trouble.
    He tripped people on the street, threw bricks through windows, smacked folks on the top of the head and whatnot until a passing cop stopped him.
    “What’s going on here!” bellowed the officer.
    “It’s like this officer,” said Little Johnny. “I am on my way over to the church to go to confession, and I’m a little short of material….”

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  63. Leaping Jimmy (16,509 comments) says:

    The Complete Idiot’s Guide to the New World Order

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRLPG_HplrA&list=FL8DumlUioDrSLTTn6giLmAQ&index=41&feature=plpp_video

    FF, agree with you re: the Fed and also fractional reserve banking. Most people know I’m a long time critic of both. However, unregulated financial markets will not work, not with human nature.

    An unregulated market is predicated on having fully informed rational customers making rational decisions to prevent investing in bad products and these customers do not exist, in a real world market. They never have and they never will. The herd instinct overrides all other calculations and herd happens when greed kicks in just as often as it does when panic kicks in. That’s what screws the unregulated approach.

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  64. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    so..red..if an ad hom is all you have..

    ..you clearly have no issue with the fact it was thieving banksters…and an inept greenspan/bush who crashed the global economy..

    ..(with of course bubble-boy brash our local version of greenspan..)

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  65. Nostalgia-NZ (5,220 comments) says:

    Leaping Jimmy
    8.01

    ‘unregulated financial markets will not work, not with human nature.’

    Well, look what happened with regulated financial markets – an absolute disaster. You’re trying to compare what didn’t work, regulated financial markets, to some advantage. Don’t think so. But that’s only part of the picture, producing ‘new’ money to fund wars and an empire goes to the heart of RP’s message, basic economics out of kilter building pyramids.

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  66. Billjack (12 comments) says:

    Most OECD governments (including New Zealand’s) are still paying at least lip service to the fraud of man-made global warming/climate change, and are spending billions in public money to subsidize worthless emissions trading schemes, forestry plantations, corn ethanol, and less-than-worthless grid-connected wind and solar power.

    These international scoundrels and imbeciles (some of whom, to our shame, are New Zealanders), aided and assisted by the mainstream news media, the left in general and the greens in particular, have wasted at least a trillion dollars worldwide, and counting. In the meantime, millions of children do not even have access to clean drinking water, which they could have for a lot less than a trillion dollars. How these warmists could ever imagine that they have the moral high-ground is truly perplexing.

    Despite more than two decades of relentless propoganda from the warmists and their associated carpetbaggers, CAGW sceptics and realists (mainly amateur or retired scientifically trained people, many of whom are mathmaticians, scientists, engineers or geologists), have managed to soundly defeat the warmists in the scientific debate. When is the last time you heard the specious claim “the debate is over” ? Of course the fact the the “global” temperature as measured by satellites and even by the warmists’ fiddled data sets, has not changed for the last 15 years, while CO2 emissions and concentrations have risen significantly – has been a big help.

    The next stage in this ongoing moral war will be a worldwide popular movement to limit or remove the financial or political incentives for companies and politicians to support the fraud. For example, if you go out of your way not to buy products or services from a company that supports the fraud, tell them so, and many others do the same, the company will eventually stop supporting it. Conversely, if you make an effort to support people or businesses that publicly denounce the CAGW fraud, you will be playing your part in bringing the fraud to an earlier end – for end it will. When our money stops disappearing down the CAGW sewer, we will have achieved something worthwhile.

    “Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning. “
    Sir Winston Churchill, November 1942

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  67. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    @ Leaping Jimmy (10,314) Says:
    April 15th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    You should also read “Manufacturing Consent” by Noam Chomsky.

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  68. Leaping Jimmy (16,509 comments) says:

    You’re trying to compare what didn’t work, regulated financial markets, to some advantage.

    What?

    Nostalgia, the GFC was caused by lack of regulation. It was in fact deliberate de-regulation, as I have detailed in years past. Essentially, the politicians were bribed by the bankers, who then proceeded to go fucking nuts. And the sheep in the market played along like the idiots they always are, as they did with the Dot-bomb and as they did with the 1987 crashes. Fucking doh, to them. That’s what happened.

    So er… not quite sure what your point is there, can you be more explicit? i.e. What do you mean by:

    But that’s only part of the picture, producing ‘new’ money to fund wars and an empire goes to the heart of RP’s message, basic economics out of kilter building pyramids.

    ?

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  69. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Billjack

    You need to divorce quite justified criticisms of ineffectual responses to the imminent crisis climate change threatens from the science.

    You are mistaken that there has been no warming for the last 15 years. The US government agencies monitoring temperature now put 2005 as the warmest year in the instrumental era. You may be relying on the Hadley Centre, but that lacks the coverage of the US agencies.

    Furthermore, headline temperature responds to many forcings that may temporarily overcome the CO2 signal. This is well understood.

    Finally, placing your faith in contrarians, the disaffected, retirees and/or assorted cranks (Anthony Watts, Jo Nova and the Potty Peer spring to mind) who have never published in credible journals on the topic, is simply misguided.

    Try to apply rationality and, especially, use your good judgement to sort the wheat from the chaff.

    Swim with rats in the sewers, and you will become one.

    Good luck.

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  70. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    today in history

    The world’s largest and most luxurious ocean liner, Titanic was traveling from England to New York, carrying everyone from plutocrats to penniless emigrants, when it struck an iceberg at 11.40pm on April 14, 1912.

    At first nobody panicked. The Titanic was equipped with the ultimate in turn-of-the-century design and technology, including sixteen major watertight compartments in her lower section that could easily be sealed off in the event of a punctured hull. Because of her many safety features the consensus among engineers was that the Titanic was an unsinkable ship.

    The engineers were wrong. Consensus is no match for facts and reality.
    It sank less than three hours later, with the loss of more than 1,500 of the 2,208 passengers and crew.

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  71. wiseowl (899 comments) says:

    I see that Gareth Hughes on TV tonight.
    Anyone else like me and think he should just go out and get a real job.

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  72. Viking2 (11,488 comments) says:

    Paula Bennett married

    Paula Bennett used Facebook to announce she got married at Piha yesterday.
    //www.facebook.com/paulabennettmp

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  73. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    it’s a huge universe out there and there are many unanswered questions.

    but one question you may conjure with is why ?

    why, do so many otherwise seemingly intelligent
    people choose, choose to drop down to a level where they put themselves as equal to a piece of shit who mocks them, pulls their chain, scoffs at them , lives off them, laughs at them……manipulates them…holds them in contempt, and openly, shoves it in their face.

    i wont name them all now but, just for the purpose of this exercise,
    what about you, say, for instance Redbaiter @ 7.28 ?

    What is it about you you that makes you dance to the tune that a piece of shit plays ?

    Love to know….

    .

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  74. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    i must be the only one still up
    or maybe the only one so bored they have nothing left to do…..

    Is there anyone who engages with the piece of shit i described above who would like
    to explain why they devalue themselves down to his level…….?

    Why would you do that ?

    If Redbaiter is too tired what about ,say, Monique Watson, why would you rate yourself on
    the same plane as a piece of shit like that ?

    Why ?

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  75. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Hey Monique, no offense intended to you,
    Just wondering.

    Anyway, G’nite,
    good luck to your family.

    Yours too Redbaiter.

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