Does organic food turn people into jerks?

May 23rd, 2012 at 3:00 pm by David Farrar

Today Health at MSNBC reports:

Renate Raymond has encountered her fair share of snobs, but a recent trip to a Seattle market left her feeling like she’d stumbled onto the set of “Portlandia.

“I stopped at a market to get a fruit platter for a movie night with friends but I couldn’t find one so I asked the produce guy,” says the 40-year-old arts administrator from Seattle. “And he was like, ‘If you want fruit platters, go to Safeway. We’re organic.’ I finally bought a small cake and some strawberries and then at the check stand, the guy was like ‘You didn’t bring your own bag? I need to charge you if you didn’t bring your own bag.’ It was like a ‘Portlandia skit.’ They were so snotty and arrogant.”

Is there a reason for this?

As it turns out, new research has determined that a judgmental attitude may just go hand in hand with exposure to organic foods. In fact, a new study published this week in the journal of Social Psychological and Personality Science, has found that organic food may just make people act a bit like jerks.

“There’s a line of research showing that when people can pat themselves on the back for their moral behavior, they can become self-righteous,” says author Kendall Eskine, assistant professor of  the department of psychological sciences at Loyola University in New Orleans. “I’ve noticed a lot of organic foods are marketed with moral terminology, like Honest Tea, and wondered if you exposed people to organic food, if it would make them pat themselves on the back for their moral and environmental choices. I wondered if  they would be more altruistic or not.”

Sounds a reasonable theory.

To find out, Eskine and his team divided 60 people into three groups. One group was shown pictures of clearly labeled organic food, like apples and spinach. Another group was shown comfort foods such as brownies and cookies. And a third group — the controls — were shown non-organic, non-comfort foods like rice, mustard and oatmeal. After viewing the pictures, each person was then asked to read a series of vignettes describing moral transgressions.

“One vignette was about second cousins having sex,” says Eskine. “Another was about a lawyer on the prowl in an ER trying to get people to sue for their injuries. Then the groups made moral judgments on a scale from one to seven.”

In another phase of the study, the three groups were asked to volunteer for a (fictitious) study, with each person writing down the amount of time — from zero to 30 minutes — that they would be willing to volunteer.

The results did not bode well for the organic folks.

“We found that the organic people judged much harder compared to the control or comfort food groups,” says Eskine. “On a scale of 1 to 7, the organic people were like 5.5 while the controls were about a 5 and the comfort food people were like a 4.89.”

When it came to helping out a needy stranger, the organic people also proved to be more selfish, volunteering only 13 minutes as compared to 19 minutes (for controls) and 24 minutes (for comfort food folks).

“There’s something about being exposed to organic food that made them feel better about themselves,” says Eskine. “And that made them kind of jerks a little bit, I guess.”

So scientifically proven – eating organic food makes you more of a jerk :-)

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67 Responses to “Does organic food turn people into jerks?”

  1. Mark (425 comments) says:

    I have always thought lefties are always so self-righteous, so does this apply right across the board.

    I bet if you went to an organic foodstore and sampled thier poltical views the majority would be left-wing supporters.

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  2. Nick R (522 comments) says:

    Brilliant! Please let this be true…

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  3. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    “So scientifically proven – eating organic food makes you more of a jerk ”

    Certainly seems to be the case with a few of the morons around here… eh? :D

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  4. Graeme Edgeler (2,972 comments) says:

    So scientifically proven – eating organic food makes you more of a jerk

    No. What was ‘proved’ was that being *shown pictures* of food labelled as organic may make you more of a jerk. Surely someone can design a better trial than this?!

    edit: what’s the error for a sample of 20?

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  5. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    whew..!..lucky i can’t afford organic..!

    ..that was a close one..!

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  6. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    “..Please let this be true…..”

    so much of what passes for rightwing thinking is encapsulated in that phrase/plea..

    ..eh..?

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  7. simonway (387 comments) says:

    You didn’t bring your own bag? I need to charge you if you didn’t bring your own bag.

    How is that “snotty and arrogant”? No free bags, big deal. Pak’n’Save doesn’t have free bags. When the self-checkout machine adds 10c when I scan a plastic bag, is it being “snotty” to me?

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  8. adze (2,130 comments) says:

    Simonway, do you get a querulous “you didn’t bring your own bag?” at PaknSave?

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  9. hmmokrightitis (1,596 comments) says:

    “lucky i can’t afford organic”

    Wow so much of the left wing sense of entitlement is encapsulated in that phrase…

    “lucky that the taxpayer will provide me with any money at all, given my criminal history and publicly affirmed history of illegal drug abuse”

    Fixed that for ya :)

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  10. dubya (245 comments) says:

    I had a job shifting heavy vege crates in an organic food store when I was a teenager – I think they employed me because all the other staff were inevitably moaning middle class women with various self-diagnosed afflications, who couldn’t bring themselves to lift more than a small packet of overpriced organic corn chips.

    I can assure you that yes, organic food eaters are amoing the biggest jerks you will ever meet. And, yes, Mark – they are closed minded left wingers through and through. Big fans of Homeopathy, Rudolf Steiner philosophy and ‘Biodynamics’, in particular, which is an especially strange pseudoscience related to astrology. Oh and don’t even get me started on Eurythmy. Dancing about in brightly coloured robes with copper rods and orbs is not normal.

    I ended up being fired, via a post-it note in the wages book when a particularly unintelligent male-hating manager took a dislike to me. I took them to the ERA (also full of lefties, but nonetheless I won a small settlement). Among their bizarre defences for the blatant HR/employment law breaches re: my dismissal was “We do things differently in the organic community”. According to them, it was all a big misunderstanding on my behalf.

    So yes- organics people are jerks. Quite smelly, too.

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  11. adze (2,130 comments) says:

    Lol’ed @ “quite smelly too”

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  12. slijmbal (1,236 comments) says:

    @Graeme

    “edit: what’s the error for a sample of 20?”

    It’s more a sample of 60 even though they ran 3 separate tests (I simplify a bit) but your point is still valid it’s the square root of 60 approximately and so ~ 12% without consulting a calculator – so within the margin of error for everything.

    Still funny if not able to provide any real scientific value

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  13. tom hunter (5,127 comments) says:

    I’m reminded of an incident a few years ago that happened while I was on the way to see my sister. She’s a smoker despite efforts of friends and family to get her to give it up, so she asked me to stop and get a packet of tobacco (she’s a roll-your-own girl like my Dad). I stopped into a small cafe/store out in the country and asked if they sold these packets, to which the response was:
    No Mate. We’re clean and green here!

    I paused for a second, caught between bursting out laughing or saying “Well fuck you too, darling!. Instead I just smiled and walked out.

    I drive past the store on a regular basis and have never gone back in. But I know of one local dairy farmer who goes for a weekly latte just so he can taunt them with the fact that they’re accepting “dirty money”: his favourite expression is Every time a latte is poured a kokopu enters heaven.

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  14. immigant (950 comments) says:

    I used to date this bird that was all organic, had to break it off because I coudl hear her grating her teeth every time I bought non organic chicken or regular dishwashing liquid instead of the bidegradable one made from baby tears and hemp grown by virgins.

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  15. mikenmild (12,289 comments) says:

    I could probably accept a premise that self-important jerks are disproportionately attracted to organic foods, but I’m struggling to take seriously a study that purports to find that looking at pictures of organic foods make one a person nastier.

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  16. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,703 comments) says:

    Second only to Global Warming, the organic food movement is the greatest hoax ever inflicted on Western Man. Why FFS now they’re flogging over-priced ‘organic salt.’ Maybe I’ll go and get some organic copper sulphate and organic potassium chloride and some organic superphosphate to put onto my organically limed paddocks.

    What a load of bullshit it is. How to sell shithouse second grade or reject fruit and vegies for more than the price of first grade produce.

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  17. dubya (245 comments) says:

    The chicken and the egg theory; what came first; the organic food or the attitude?

    From my observations, probably the attitude. Sadly it seemed to be bred from one generation to the next.

    This Harry Enfield clip explains them quite well! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trB5CSDmf1E

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  18. Daigotsu (470 comments) says:

    “I ended up being fired, via a post-it note in the wages book when a particularly unintelligent male-hating manager took a dislike to me. I took them to the ERA (also full of lefties, but nonetheless I won a small settlement). Among their bizarre defences for the blatant HR/employment law breaches re: my dismissal was “We do things differently in the organic community”.”

    You got the fucking lefties to rip each other’s throats out and walked away with money. I fucking love it.

    Sadly these days the ERA would probably say organic food = mandatory.

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  19. simonway (387 comments) says:

    Simonway, do you get a querulous “you didn’t bring your own bag?” at PaknSave?

    If the person at the market didn’t ask, how else would they know whether the author had a bag or not?

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  20. annie (539 comments) says:

    I’d love this to be true, but REALLY?

    Another study of 60 pampered American first-year psychology students, universalised.

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  21. annie (539 comments) says:

    I’m not sure I’d trust the judgement or research methodology of someone too idle to cut up half a dozen pieces of fruit for themselves, either.

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  22. dubya (245 comments) says:

    Posh Nosh is always good for a food-snobbery laugh too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHl1kHI1BXw

    “Organic Unsalted Organic Butter”!

    Minty Marchmont does give a rather good family planning tip in the clip though:

    “If you can’t afford sixteen pounds eighty for a kilogram of Chipolatas, you shouldn’t really be starting a family”.

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  23. anonymouse (703 comments) says:

    Seattle organic snobs sound just as bad a coffee snobs

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  24. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    The self righteous attitude stretches to some of a religious bent

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  25. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    or the ideological-snobs…the libertarians…

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  26. dubya (245 comments) says:

    Or the ideological slobs… the lifestyle beneficiaries…

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  27. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    that einfeld clip is funny…

    ..kinda like shopping at ‘harvest’ in grey lynn..

    “..yes..!..our soymilk is so much more expensive than at the supermarket just 50 metres down the road..so what..?..you have to be a rich prick to be here in the first place..’

    (and i am sure the founder of that shop was having a laff..

    ..and referring to how he/she was going to ‘harvest’ the wallets/purses/pockets of customers..

    ..and so it came to pass..)

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  28. Lloyd (125 comments) says:

    I made the mistake – but only once – after being diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes, of going into Piko, the organic place started by Rod Donald and various other Christchurch Greenies. I was seeking a useful alternative sweetner to the others around, and had read that they stocked one. My mistake was compounded by asking for assistance, outlining why I sought such a thing.
    In a swirl of hemp hems and fuzzy female upper lips, I was besieged by a dozen or so Piko customers, each trying to outdo themselves in proferring a cure for what ailed me (the main diagnosis seemed to be that I was suffering from being heterosexual, middle class, male, meat eating and that I rode a large motorcycle).
    Every crackpot dipshit theory from planet alignments to rebirthing and colon therapy came at me in a vocal salvo, like stupid suggestions from Trevor Mallard on a house sitting day.
    I backed away from the harpies, and turned to the assistant behind the counter. ” I asked, only slightly acting worried: “Can you sell me what I came in for?” Her reply: “You’ve been offered at least three things that would be a cure, and you are STILL after sweetner? No, you should go to the supermarket.”
    I left.
    This article. It. Just. Seems. Right.

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  29. pidge (56 comments) says:

    Case in point – Greenpeace, the Green Party…

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  30. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    “..In a swirl of hemp hems and fuzzy female upper lips – I was besieged by a dozen or so Piko customers..”

    whipping up a bit of an urban-myth souffle there..eh lloyd..?

    ..’a dozen’..y’say..?..

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  31. jaba (2,146 comments) says:

    and all this time I thought bOb Guyton was just an uptight sort .. I must say though, he is a jerk

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  32. adze (2,130 comments) says:

    adze: “Simonway, do you get a querulous “you didn’t bring your own bag?” at PaknSave?”

    If the person at the market didn’t ask, how else would they know whether the author had a bag or not?

    At PaknSave, I don’t think I’ve ever been explicitly asked at all. If you don’t put one of those green 20c bags with your purchase they just move everything to the back for you to deal with.
    In any case, the tone of the question was clearly judgemental.

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  33. Shunda barunda (2,986 comments) says:

    It’s kind of like how owning a V8 (usually Falcon or Commodore) makes you an intolerable prick.

    Owning a BMW also has a similar, (though rather more severe) effect.

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  34. Jimbob (641 comments) says:

    I was reading a piece on diets that I googled the other day, and the author kept refering to the fact that people are continuosly replacing their cells every day The body is completely replaced with new cells by about 3-6 months. So really we are all only about 6 months old at any time. He was making this point to inform his readers that you should be eating a balanced diet so as to replace all of your cells with the right food. ie carbage in, carbage out. Which means you really need plenty of protein in you diet to replace all the protein you lose.
    I think that sums up the problem that organic/greenies people have. Organic people tend to be vegans, the cells in their brains are not replaced properly and they gradually turn into intolerant socialists.

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  35. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    I have a good way to deflate the ego of tossers in ausie v8s
    just put out your hand and yell taxi

    Several persons of low income that I am acquainted with blow their disposable income on bottled water and organic food
    The water one is the funnest they insist that it tastes better
    Pure water has no taste :lol:

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  36. wiseowl (973 comments) says:

    Adolf is right.Another big con job.

    A recent study in the states found that all the substances in fruit and veges that may be carcinogenic are found as naturally occurring so all the palava about not spraying etc is all crap.

    Enjoy life.Everything in moderation.

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  37. Psycho Milt (2,423 comments) says:

    The irony of a Kiwiblog thread discussing whether a particular group of people consists of obnoxious jerks makes this thread a delight.

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  38. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    And there was a study recently proving that the rich really are pricks, too.

    All of which proves only that there are studies, studies and damned pollsters!

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  39. Shunda barunda (2,986 comments) says:

    All of which proves only that there are studies, studies and damned pollsters!

    I had seriously considered starting a blog called “studies show” to showcase the stupidity of “the experts”.

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  40. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    expert
    ex= has been
    spurt= drip under pressure

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  41. WineOh (636 comments) says:

    I recently commented on a friend’s posting about organic veges having much more nutrient content than conventional veges. The source was apparently a university study some years back in the USA. I remarked that this surprised me as all the info I had seen had discounted there being any substantive nutritional or safety differences between organic & non-organic produce. I then produced an article from the same university saying that for years a particular study had been misued to try to skew benefits of organic produce, and that the data did not support it at all. I followed it up with a link to the UK food standards government agency that stated that most scientific evidence did not support organic food being better.

    The response? Some tripe about conspiracy theory, and wanting to know the truth not from studies or government info that didn’t have the influence of mega-evil-corporations. [sigh]

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  42. Manolo (14,159 comments) says:

    Will the crim bake “organic”?

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  43. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    dunno..ask him..

    hey garrett..!..man-so-low wants to know if you ‘bake organic’..(whatever that means..)

    phillip utr@whoar.co.nz

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  44. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    Milt

    That was a goody. :)

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  45. william blake (109 comments) says:

    …and eating crap makes you corrupt?

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  46. Brian Smaller (3,965 comments) says:

    I hate Urban Greens – they are the living example of an oxymoron. They should be out growing their own veges on a block in the country. But that would take work, which most greenies I have ever met seem to shy away from. I am, meanwhile, making some corned beef from my own organically raised steer (Bubba only ate vegetable matter) and a huge pot of pumpkin and squash soup – all the main ingredients were grown in our garden. My advice to greenies is to live it – don’t talk it.

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  47. tigger (4 comments) says:

    I actually live next door to the shop in question in Seattle. A few thoughts:-

    * Its actually a damn good shop. They have the best quality fruit and veggie section of any shop in Seattle. The organic section is only about a quarter of the shop. Their actual focus is on whole foods (i.e. not completely processed). We go there regularly to get food that’s not crammed full of high fructose corn syrup (welcome to America!) or baking ingredients. Trying to make a cake from the Edmonds cookbook is nearly impossible here because you can’t find the basic ingredients. Everyone here buys a cake premix.

    * The staff are all most likely green voters and fit a stereotype of 20 or 30 something, white, elderly European car drivers. Unlike your typical checkout operators, they believe in the cause…

    * The customers are your typical cross section of Seattle, not just the hippies. Think polite Californians. I think the person referred to in the article is most likely an East coast import who has moved here for an IT job.

    * They actually ask “What bags would you like – paper or plastic?” unless its clear that you have brought your own. It must be a mantra they train them with, so the reporting is likely to not be literal.

    * You can see the Safeway supermarket from the doorway – there is a bit of rivalry between the two shops. Safeway are the masters of prepackaging. The whole foods market is not – it would be like expecting your local greengrocers to have a fruit platter already prepared for you to buy.

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  48. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    do you run a part of the animal concentration camp/animal slavery industry…?..do you there..smaller..?

    if so…um..!..eh..?

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  49. graham (2,348 comments) says:

    @ Brian Smaller, 8:46 am: I love the emails we get from our home-kill butcher. The latest one, encouraging us to advise them well in advance what sorts of cuts we require, said something like “It’s great if you can send through your requirements weeks in advance. Okay, it may seem a bit strange looking at Larry the Lamb while he’s eating his lunch and thinking whether to go for half or whole leg …” :)

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  50. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    gloated like a true slave-owner/expoiter there graham..

    and don’t forget..!

    always have lots and lots of melted cheese on top..eh..?. ..

    and we’ll just let natural selection take its’ course..

    ..eh..?

    what you enslave/exploit will kill you…

    ..ironic..eh..?

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  51. adze (2,130 comments) says:

    What’s with the regular references to melted cheese…?

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  52. graham (2,348 comments) says:

    Huh? “… a true slave-owner/expoiter there graham..” What are you on about?

    And, melted cheese on a lamb chop? Ew.

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  53. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    ‘a lamb chop’..ew..!

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  54. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    adze..it is a pointed counter/riposte to those who sneer at my vegan diet..

    ..and here is why you shouldn’t have melted cheese on anything..

    http://whoar.co.nz/?s=cancer+dairy

    basically..’cos it’ll kill ya..eh..?

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  55. graham (2,348 comments) says:

    No, lamb chop mmm. Especially with mint sauce. Lamb roast, yummm. Lamb shank, damn I’m getting hungry …

    Anyway, that aside, let’s agree to disagree over diet and taste. What do you mean with the statement “… a true slave-owner/expoiter there graham..”?

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  56. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    “..diet and taste…”

    it is not just a matter of ‘diet and taste;..

    ..it is a matter of life and death..

    ..both for the animals you enslave/brutalise/dismember/eat..

    ..and for you..

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  57. graham (2,348 comments) says:

    But that aside, philu – what do you mean with the statement “… a true slave-owner/expoiter there graham..”?

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  58. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    if you can’t work that out..from what i have said..

    ..i can’t be bothered telling you..

    phillip ure@whoar.o.nz

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  59. Brian Smaller (3,965 comments) says:

    @Graham – I see you are interacting with Phil Ure. He usually resorts to making peurile jokes about people’s names. I RIP’d him years ago using Firefox and unless I am using Windows Explorer, I never see his posts. He equates your ownership of animals for food with exploitation and slavery – hence you are a slave owner. Of course he doesn’t see the irony in his feeding his dogs a vegan diet, effectively exploiting them to satisfy his own belief system. I would wager that if I threw them a piece of steak his dogs would go nuts over it.

    As to working out what to do with animals – I am killing two sheep this weekend for the freezer. One for us and the other for dog tucker.

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  60. graham (2,348 comments) says:

    philu:

    All my sheep live a perfectly natural, healthy life. They live on a five acre block in company with other sheep, have absolute freedom to roam, are out in the sun and the elements, breathing fresh country air, and with a million-dollar view from the top of the hill (if sheep care for such things). They eat grass and clover which has minimal fertiliser added as necessary, and have their diet topped up with sheep nuts which they love – one of the sheep will rush up to my wife when she sees her with the sheep nuts and try to hog them all to herself, not letting the other sheep get in.

    Fresh country air, fantastic views, great food supplemented by treats – I would say that my sheep live a healthier life than you do.

    Their life is idyllic. They are protected from dogs and other predators. They are safe and secure.

    When the time comes for the lambs to be slaughtered, it goes without saying that this is done humanely. The lambs are taken to a separate paddock, away from the other sheep, where they are slaughtered instantly. They are placed under absolutely no stress, and never know what happens to them.

    So no, philu, I can’t work out what you mean by ““… a true slave-owner/expoiter there graham..”.

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  61. Brian Smaller (3,965 comments) says:

    @Graham – you are wasting your time typing that mate. To a vegan you will always be a murderer – never mind that they ingest animals constantly. They just can’t see them because they are too small – tiny weeny bugs that liv eon everything we eat.

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  62. Psycho Milt (2,423 comments) says:

    Now Brian, those animals don’t matter because if they were big enough for you to see them they certainly wouldn’t be cute.

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  63. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    aah..!..graham trying for ‘the good slave owner’ label…

    ..it was total horseshit when used to justify human slaves…

    ..and you are no different…

    ‘humanely-slaughtered’..

    oxymoron of the day..?

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  64. graham (2,348 comments) says:

    My word, you’re daft, philu. Calling sheep slaves? You are really clutching at straws there.

    My sheep are no more slaves than your pets are. In fact, your cats and your dog are more enslaved to you than my sheep are to me. Do you allow your pets to wander around freely over 5 acres of pristine countryside? Betcha don’t. Do they rely on you to feed them, as opposed to my sheep which are free to eat whenever they wish? Bet you’ve got them enslaved in that respect too, hmmm? If they’re bad, you could withhold food and starve them – don’t bother saying you never would, I know your sort. Does your dog have another dog to run and romp with ALL THE TIME, as my sheep have each other? Is your dog reliant on you to take him for walks, as opposed to my sheep who wander freely over 5 acres of pristine countryside?

    Face it, philu – you’re the one enslaving and mistreating your animals, not me. My sheep have a far better life than your pets do. My sheep wander about in a natural environment, whereas your pets are locked up.

    And yes, they are humanely slaughtered, unless you disagree with the RSPCA.

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  65. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    “..Calling sheep slaves?..”

    they are animal-slaves…you think you ‘own’ them…you sell/slaughter/eat/profit from them…

    ..how is that not slavery..?

    “..My sheep are no more slaves than your pets are…”

    i don’t sell or slaughter or eat the animals we care for…

    “..you could withhold food and starve them – don’t bother saying you never would, I know your sort..”

    fuck..you are an idiot/fool..

    “..Does your dog have another dog to run and romp with ALL THE TIME..”

    two dogs and a cat share our lives..they all really like each other/sleep with each other..etc..

    ..and i repeat..i won’t be walking up to them one day..and killing them..and then either selling and eating their dead bodies..eh..?

    ..that is really what is the difference..

    ..and this is baby sheep/lambs you do this to..eh..?

    ..do you ‘fatten-them’ up for the slaughterhouse..?

    ..is that how you get yr ‘earn’..?..you animal-slaver..

    ..and you cite the spca..?

    ..hilarious..!..

    ..this is the organisation owned by the vivisectionist-industry..

    ..the organisation that sits on the board that ‘approves’ the vivisectionist-experiments on three quarters of a million animals a year…

    ..when i see that guy cuddling a puppy/kitten for the media..i wanta gag…

    ..so..yes..the spca approving your oxymoronic ‘humane slaughter’ means exactly sweet fuck all..

    ..you are a cruel inhumane/unthinking person who profits from yr enslaving of/cruelties to defenceless/rightsless animal-slaves…

    ..quite a long way from yr bucolic self-regarding…

    ..eh..?

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  66. graham (2,348 comments) says:

    You’re so funny, philu – thinking sheep are slaves. Dear me …

    Anyway, back to the original point. All my sheep live a perfectly natural, healthy, wonderful life. They live on a five acre block in company with other sheep, have absolute freedom to roam, are out in the sun and the elements, breathing fresh country air, and with a million-dollar view from the top of the hill (if sheep care for such things). They eat grass and clover which has minimal fertiliser added as necessary, and have their diet topped up with sheep nuts which they love.

    As I said, fresh country air, fantastic views, great food supplemented by treats – no question about it, my sheep live a healthier life than you do. Their life is idyllic. They are protected from dogs and other predators. They are safe and secure, and FREE for their whole lives.

    Your pets, on the other hand, are cooped up indoors. You lock them up inside. You control them, for without you to feed them they will starve. Oh, you may take the dog for walks, but he is dependent on you. If you insist on talking about slavery, then THAT, philu, is slavery – holding the power of life and death over someone; locking them up; controlling their food rations.

    You want to talk about slavery, philu? Who locks their pets up, while my sheep roam free? Whose pets are dependent on him for their food, while my sheep have five acres of grass and clover at their disposal? YOU are the ‘master’ to whom the ‘slaves’ must bow and cower if they wish to be fed, philu – not me.

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  67. graham (2,348 comments) says:

    (PS: for all normal people, let me make it clear that I don’t believe this rubbish about pets being slaves – the above is not intended to condemn anybody else, unless you agree with philu, in which case feel free to take offence :) But if he wants to blather on about such rubbish, then I will point out his utter hypocrisy in claiming that my sheep are ‘slaves’ when obviously his pets live in atrocious conditions compared to my sheep, by his own warped ‘reasoning’.)

    (philu obviously has the problem that he does not interact face-to-face with people during the course of the day. Therefore he believes what he reads on the Internet, and has no idea of what is right and proper in today’s society).

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