General Debate 16 May 2012

May 16th, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. mikenmild (10,720 comments) says:

    I trust you will all have a happy day talking to, and about, philu.

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  2. Keeping Stock (10,100 comments) says:

    I’d actually have a happier day if I didn’t mikenmild. How’s the new job going?

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  3. Don the Kiwi (1,593 comments) says:

    “I’d rather be a hammer than a nail”

    Dear old philu loves being the nail – sort of, y’know, sado-masochistic.

    Destination druggy.

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  4. Keeping Stock (10,100 comments) says:

    Is hope all that the Labour Party has left? You’d have to think so, given Jordan Carter’s blog-post on the Hope Project:

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/05/no-hope-at-all.html

    Google “the hope project” and see what you get; it’s almost as though Labour is begging for people to cough up a dollar a day to support starving, impoverished, malnourished Labour MP’s!

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  5. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    http://whoar.co.nz/2012/at-least-hollande-and-merkel-agree-on-one-thing-%E2%80%93-a-financial-transaction-tax/

    “..Cameron believes a Tobin tax would hurt the City –

    - but France and Germany are under pressure to finance a eurozone boost..”

    (ed:..and what we need here..eh..?..what we call a hone heke tax..

    ..and it will happen…)

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  6. immigant (950 comments) says:

    Did anyone notice how TV3 news tried to vilify Key for daring to speak up about media being adversarial? The saddest part was that in this whole story the media presents itself in such a way, as to make us think that being adversarial to government is what it is there for. Stupid old me thought the media was there to report the facts and the viewer makes up his own mind without partisan comments from presenters and authors.
    First time I saw fear in Key’s eyes in a long time.

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  7. mister nui (975 comments) says:

    So, Claire Trevett from today’s shithouse paper only drinks tap water when she travels overseas I take it:

    * $31.56 at Checkers supermarket, South Africa for bottled water and one bottle of Fat Bastard Chardonnay ($7).

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10806191

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  8. flipper (3,557 comments) says:

    The horrible tabby Herald is at it again:

    * Spending on hotel bills and laundry by Ministers and staff while travelling overseas on official business is considered worthy of a lead “story”
    * Another Dotcom lead fantasy by Fisher – Banks is alledged to have given assurances of suppoirt to Dotcom via the idiot’s “Head of Security”. Isn’t it amazing how Dottie’s emails keep finding their way to Fisher?

    A pity we cannot have some “News” in a newspaper.

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  9. Longknives (4,456 comments) says:

    There is a carpet-cleaning job going if you are interested Philu…..

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10806184

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  10. immigant (950 comments) says:

    The amounts of money quoted in the article about Ministerial expenses are laughable. Only backwater lotto buying rolly smoking hicks would find this newsworthy. Fucking $400 for ministerial laundry and drycleaning when staying overseas, big fucking woop! Stop the press, those rich pricks are loading off the taxpayer. The editor who thiks this is news should be take out teh back of teh office and stoned to death next to the trash compactor.

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  11. flipper (3,557 comments) says:

    Odds and ends……

    1. Melbourne’s “fat tax” on fast food outlets: NZ attempts to enter this area would be yet another example of Local Bodies stricking their noses into matters beyond their brief (Well, beyond what the present central Goverment believes is appropriate.) Stick to roads, rubbish, sewage and water!

    and

    2. Will the NZ Government purchase surplus (ex Iraq/Afghanistan) US surveillance drones (which are now being sold and used by US police, to patrol our economic zone? Now that the Navy is mothballing some patrol boats it would be a cost effective option, would it not? Reports from the US state that the 2nd hand drones are cheaper to purchase and operate than helicopters – and provide “better data”.

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  12. tom hunter (4,413 comments) says:

    Good grief. The Obama administration has begun inserting his name into the biographies of former presidents on the whitehouse.gov site. You can read about it here: We’re at the End of History, and Barack Obama is the Last Man:

    On Feb. 22, 1924 Calvin Coolidge became the first president to make a public radio address to the American people. President Coolidge later helped create the Federal Radio Commission, which has now evolved to become the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). President Obama became the first president to hold virtual gatherings and town halls using Twitter, Facebook, Google+, LinkedIn, etc.

    And so forth for virtually every President. I don’t think I can even call this normal narcissism. What is it? Losing the plot? Staff incompetence? Echo chamber syndrome? A campaign with the wheels falling off?

    Does no one in the Obama administration have any sense of how hideously funny and insane this looks from the outside? It looks like one of Caligula episodes from I, Claudius. Bill Clinton, watching this, must be curled up in the fetal position.

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  13. Pete George (22,839 comments) says:

    The ODT had an undramatic headline and a fairly factual report on the media beatup on the media non-beatup by Key.

    But it shows – Granny Herald – drama queen.

    It’s essential the media help hold government to account. But media need to be held accountable for their innaccuracies to.

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  14. kowtow (7,625 comments) says:

    Obama has Claudius’ stammer too. When the teleprompter ain’t goin’……..er er er

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  15. Falafulu Fisi (2,176 comments) says:

    AUTHORSHIP OF OBAMA’S OWN LOVE LETTERS DISPUTED

    President cocksucker will be vetted thoroughly for this upcoming election, which is something that the media didn’t do properly during the last election. He will be voted out this time.

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  16. Manolo (13,367 comments) says:

    Re; Tom Hunter @8.57am
    We can only hope the Kenyan interloper is defeated and turfed out in November. Otherwise the mighty United States is history.

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  17. thedavincimode (6,532 comments) says:

    Longknives

    I was actually wondering when Redbaiter took up carpet cleaning.

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  18. dime (9,430 comments) says:

    The Herald is a joke.

    Hosking was making fun of their front page this morning.

    He mentioned they were going to tabloid size? Not sure he was joking..

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  19. Elaycee (4,301 comments) says:

    “He mentioned they were going to tabloid size? Not sure he was joking..”

    No joke, dime. The transformation will soon be complete….

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  20. David Garrett (6,422 comments) says:

    Dime: It’s not a joke…I think they have already announced it…the formal transformation from journal of record to a tabloid bearing a once proud name…

    I wonder if “The News of the World” was once, in the mists of time, a proper newspaper? does anyone know?

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  21. David Garrett (6,422 comments) says:

    .meanwhile back in Bowen House…it seems John Banks is at last – about 14 days too late – speaking only “through a spokeswoman”….

    Looks like Fisher has more…drip feeding towards the weekend…

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  22. tom hunter (4,413 comments) says:

    It’s always sad when “The People” are the last ones to figure it out: Has The Greek Bank Run Started?, complete with photos of lines at ATM’s, although that could just be a busy area or some other false photo-tagging in twitter. But the thing is that it could (and actually should) be true when one considers how much money has been extracted by Greek citizens via internet transfers to foreign accounts. That is documented and it has been going on for a year – and it appears to be speeding up:

    “Anxious Greeks have withdrawn as much as 700 million euros ($893 million) from the nation’s banks since the inconclusive May 6 election, President Karolos Papoulias told party leaders yesterday, according to a transcript of the meeting posted on the presidency’s website today.

    Overall Greek bank deposits are at something like 60% of 2008 levels the last time I looked. That’s why those ATM photos could be real, it would be amazing if people were not pulling cash, they’d represent the last-to-know crowd. Sad.

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  23. Elaycee (4,301 comments) says:

    immigant says: “Fucking $400 for ministerial laundry and drycleaning when staying overseas, big fucking woop! ”

    Agree.

    Only a complete moron (or someone who has never travelled on business) would think that laundry and dry cleaning costs totalling $400, would be anything but reasonable.

    But if your usual ‘dress sense’ is to look like a back country hillbilly and to smell like something the cat dragged in, then I suppose it could be considered worthy of column centimetres…. especially in the NZ Hoorald.

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  24. calendar girl (1,174 comments) says:

    The “NZ Herald” form of journalism would find a receptive readership in today’s Greece.

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  25. wreck1080 (3,730 comments) says:

    The euro is in turmoil so you’d think it would be the Euro that declines.

    But, it is the NZD declining instead (although, it is still at extremely high levels).

    Just goes to show, that currency traders cause the opposite of what you’d expect to happen.

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  26. Keeping Stock (10,100 comments) says:

    Correct Elaycee; APN’s regional newspapers are the test bed, and to be fair, the tabloid-sized Wanganui Chronicle isn’t that bad. It’s certainly easier to read when in a small space.

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  27. Paulus (2,501 comments) says:

    News of the World had a circulation of 2,812,000 per publication day.
    Silly little Harold has 180,000 and dropping so why worry.
    It and the SST will be out of business soon enough.
    Printed paper is out other than for toilet use.

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  28. dime (9,430 comments) says:

    Well struth.

    If it works though and their circulation grows or at least remains steady then you cant blame them.

    I prefer tabloid size – just not the garbage printed within them.

    Its a bummer for old people like my dad who read the thing cover to cover too

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  29. graham (2,215 comments) says:

    I don’t usually read the newspaper here, but when in England I enjoy reading a full-size newspaper, and my father-in-law does too. Like your dad, dime, he’ll go through the paper cover to cover.

    Mind you, at 87, he has the time to!

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  30. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Dime: It’s not a joke…I think they have already announced it…the formal transformation from journal of record to a tabloid bearing a once proud name…

    I wonder if “The News of the World” was once, in the mists of time, a proper newspaper? does anyone know?

    Maybe they could rename as the Truth and puts large tits on Page 3.

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  31. dime (9,430 comments) says:

    graham – yeah my dads 83 heh

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  32. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    In the Northern Hemisphere, it’s the anniversary of Palestinians’ Nakba Day, I thought it timely to post the full content of an email I received from the Institute of Palestine Studies: http://www.palestine-studies.org/. It is a potted history, from the Palestinian viewpoint, of the creation of the state of Israel and the dis-creation of what should have been the state of Palestine.

    I don’t usually post long extracts, but in view of the long list of lies promulgated by the racist (mainly Christian) Zionists who infest this and other blogs, overwhelming truth with Israeli propaganda, it’s important for truth to be made readily accessible.

    Quote

    Tuesday, 15 May 2012, is the 64th Anniversary of Palestinian Nakba Day. This date commemorates the end, on 15 May 1948, of the so-called “Mandate” over Palestine “granted” to Britain by the League of Nations (the UN’s predecessor) following the end of World War I

    To commemorate Nakba Day, IPS released an eBook of Nur Masalha’s classic work on the 20th anniversary of its publication this month.

    This eBook is only
    $5.99 via Amazon

    The Mandate system, a form of imposed international trusteeship, was devised by the victorious powers, chiefly Britain and France, to give a veneer of legality to their post-war military occupation and rule over the former Middle Eastern Arab provinces of the defeated Ottoman Empire. Thus, while Britain obtained mandates over Iraq, Palestine, and Trans-Jordan, France obtained mandates over Syria and Lebanon. The main purpose of Britain’s mandate over Palestine was to give effect to a unilateral promise made by its government in 1917 (the Balfour Declaration, after the then British foreign secretary) to the World Zionist Organization (WZO) to establish “a Jewish National Home” in Palestine.

    At the time of the Balfour Declaration, about 90 percent of the population of Palestine was Arab and about 10 percent Jewish. Needless to say the Palestine Arabs were never consulted about either the Balfour Declaration or the British mandate over their country.

    Advancing from British-occupied Egypt, British forces had wrested Jerusalem from the Ottomans in December 1917. The period 1920-1948 saw the relentless growth of the Jewish National Home through massive Jewish immigration from Eastern and Central Europe under Britain’s imperial protection, despite increasingly desperate Palestinian protests and resistance.

    Already by the mid-1940s the Zionist leadership, headed by the redoubtable David Ben-Gurion and drawing upon the support of the American Jewish community, felt strong enough to want Britain out of the way. With the Yishuv (1) highly militarized, it was confident that it could overcome any Arab opposition to turning the Jewish National Home into the Jewish state, which had been the WZO’s objective ever since the first Zionist Congress in 1897. Caught between the two contending parties in a conflict of its own making, Britain finally decided to turn “the problem” over to the UN, successor to the League of Nations.

    In November 1947, thanks to massive US pressure on the UN member states, (1948 was an American Presidential election year), the UNGA recommended the partition of Palestine into a Jewish and an Arab state, with a special international regime (corpus separatum) for Jerusalem and its hinterland.

    The UN partition, presented as a compromise between the two communities was anything but. It gave the Jewish population, which by then had artificially grown into about 30 percent of the population, over half (55 percent) of Palestine where Jews owned less than 8 percent of the land. It condemned hundreds of thousands of Palestinians within the UN-drawn boundaries to live in separation from their compatriots as a minority in the Jewish state-to-be.

    The Jews were overjoyed, but the Palestinians were outraged at this dismemberment of their country and fragmentation of their society – a prolonged nightmare realized. Artfully the Zionist leaders represented their “acceptance” of partition as evidence of their readiness to “compromise” and to comply with the will of the international community.

    Well before November 1947, David Ben-Gurion had already envisaged partition (i.e. a Jewish state in a part of Palestine) not only as an opportunity to “transfer” (i.e. expel) the Palestinians from the state to make way for Jewish immigrants from overseas, but also as a bridgehead to expand the state beyond its borders with the help of these immigrants (2). To achieve his geostrategic objectives, he had devoted the decade before November 1947 to building the military might of the Yishuv via the Haganah (and its striking force the Palmach) as well as to detailed military planning. The November 1947 UNGA partition resolution was the ultimate green-light for Ben-Gurion to go into action.

    Ben-Gurion’s master plan for the military takeover of Palestine and the transfer of Palestinians in the wake of the 1947 UNGA’s resolution was known as “Plan Dalet” (3). British withdrawal from Palestine began soon after the resolution was passed. The vacuum created by this withdrawal was quickly filled by the Haganah, which carefully avoided clashing with the departing British. In early April 1948, Plan Dalet was put into operation. Within six weeks, such were the Zionist victories that Israeli statehood could be declared the day the Mandate officially ended, on 15 May 1948 – symbolically chosen by the Palestinians as Nakba Day.

    By that time the Plan’s devastating impact on the civilian Palestinian population (hundreds of thousands had already abandoned their homes) was well in evidence. Indeed, but for this vast Palestinian exodus into the neighboring Arab countries generated by Plan Dalet (and the atrocities committed by the “dissident” terrorist gangs, Irgun and Stern), it is doubtful that the collective intervention on 15 May of the regular forces of the Arab League member states would have taken place following the departure of the British. But already this intervention was too little and too late.

    As for nascent Israel’s “Davidian” status vis-a vis the Goliath of the “invading” Arab states, Ben Gurion provides eloquent testimony on it in his War Diary. Thus, on 24 May 1948, less than ten days after the Arab armies had entered those parts of Palestine allocated to the Arab state under the partition plan to preempt the advancing Jewish forces, David Ben-Gurion wrote (4):

    Maklef [Carmeli brigade] should receive reinforcements. His job is to occupy South Lebanon after bombing Tyre, Sidon and Beirut from the air. We will also shell Beirut from the sea. Yigal [Alon] should hit Syria [Syrian army] at [Mishmar Haemek] from the East and the North. Our airforce must bomb and destroy Amman. The weak link in the Arab coalition is Lebanon because Muslim authority there is artificial, and easy to undermine. We must establish a Christian state with the Litani River as its southern border (5). We will form an alliance with it.

    Once we destroy the power of the Arab Legion [the army of Trans-Jordan] we will destroy Tran-Jordan and Syria will then fall. If Egypt dares to continue fighting, we will bomb Port Said, Alexandria and Cairo. This is how we shall end this war and wind up our ancestors’ accounts with Egypt, Ashur and Aram….

    -Walid Khalidi
    Institute for Palestine Studies

    Notes:

    (1) The Hebrew name of the Jewish community in Palestine during the British Mandate
    (2) See David Ben-Gurion’s letter to his son Amos, 5 October 1937. [PDF]
    (3) See Walid Khalidi “Plan Dalet Revisited” Journal of Palestine Studies Vol XIII, No. 1, #69 Autumn 1988 pp. 3-70.
    (4) David Ben-Gurion Yoman Hamilhimah Malhimet Hatzm’ut 1947-1949 (War Diary; War of Independence 1947-1949), eds. Gershon Rivlin, Dr. Ilhanan Oren (Propagation of DBG’s Teachings’ Society, Ministry of Defence Press, Tel Aviv, 1984), p. 454 ff.
    (5) This incorporates into Israel the predominantly Shiite region of South Lebanon.

    SEE OUR SPECIAL NAKBA RESOURCES PAGE

    Our Nakba webpage features articles from past issues of our flagship Journal of Palestine Studies, and the maps and carefully constructed chronologies of events from our best-selling books Before Their Diaspora: A Photographic History of the Palestinians 1876–1948 and All That Remains: The Palestinian Villages Occupied and Depopulated by Israel in 1948.

    unquote

    I urge casual readers of this blog to familiarise themselves with the facts and support the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) campaign to bring a peaceful end the century-long oppression and dispossession of the indigenous people of Palestine.

    I make the point that the two state solution is endorsed overwhelmingly by the countries of the world, excluding one, Israel, and is even official US policy, but one which is served in breach. The advantage of the breaching of this policy is that it enables Israel to build and expand yet more settlements, forcing Palestinians into under-resourced bantustans, with which those who remember the apartheid regime of South Africa will be familiar.

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  33. tom hunter (4,413 comments) says:

    The “NZ Herald” form of journalism would find a receptive readership in today’s Greece. the trenches of WWI

    Cue Captain Blackadder:

    Ah, yes, without question my favourite magazine; soft, strong and thoroughly absorbent.

    Those old quotes just never get dated:

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  34. graham (2,215 comments) says:

    On the media … I see Rebekah Brooks is ‘baffled’ by the charges being laid against her, and that she ‘cannot express my anger enough that those closest to me have been dragged into this unfairly.’

    The media, over the last few years, have in my opinion being pushing the boundaries further and further, caring not a jot whether what they do is morally justified, and using the tiredest cliches in the book to justify what they print and broadcast – “the public’s right to know” and “freedom of the press”.

    In my opinion the media is long overdue for being taken to task, and made to think about some of the garbage they produce and the effect it has on the people in question. High time the spotlight and cameras and questions were directed at them for a change.

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  35. Pete George (22,839 comments) says:

    Good advice for Herald reporters:

    @BillyRalston Coleman’s shirts are bit tougher but if he uses deodorant they might last 4-5 days. Then sit beside Herald reporter on plane.

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  36. Elaycee (4,301 comments) says:

    calendar girl suggests: “The “NZ Herald” form of journalism would find a receptive readership in today’s Greece.”

    Don’t you think you’re being a little harsh on the Greek people? :)

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  37. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    http://whoar.co.nz/2012/conservatives-giant-bullies-that-abuse-the-weak/

    “…Mitt Romney says he likes being able to fire people.

    Mitt Romney takes a drive with a terrified family pet strapped to the roof of his car.

    Mitt Romney assaulted a gay student while in prep school.

    Mitt Romney tricked a blind teacher – apparently one he “liked,” – letting the man walk into a glass door.

    He is a bully.

    Mitt Romney is also the presumed presidential nominee for a political party of unapologetic bullies.

    Ergo, he is a near-perfect leader for the Tea Party GOP…”

    (cont..)

    (rightwingers..bullies..?..who’dathunkit..?..eh..?

    ..hard to believe really..eh..?..)

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  38. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Hekia Parata on RNZ this morning spouting lies, damned lies and statistics.

    We are going to lift our standards (already in the top two or three OECD nations) by cutting teaching staff. She says research shows it is the quality of the teaching that counts, not class sizes, yet we know that the research the government is fond of quoting says no such thing.

    Read it for yourself either by purchasing the book http://www.amazon.com/Visible-Learning-Synthesis-Meta-Analyses-Achievement/dp/0415476186/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1337119442&sr=8-3 or borrow it from a library.

    Hattie rates teacher quality higher than class sizes (as regards classroom influence) but says increasing class sizes is always negative for outcomes and is bad policy.

    The dissembling by Parata and the government is immense, from misrepresenting the number of kids who leave school without NCEA 2 (1 in 16, not 1 in 20) to saying a fivefold increase in teaching staff has not resulted in a fivefold increase in results. The latter is just stupid. At a time when developed countries are pouring more and more resources into education, this country has held its own, or improved, even though it is definitely the poor cousin when compared to similar performing countries.

    Wait for DPF to post soon, chortling with delight as his pet lies are now in the headlines.

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  39. calendar girl (1,174 comments) says:

    “Don’t you think you’re being a little harsh on the Greek people?”

    You’re right of course, Elaycee.

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  40. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    dime said:..”..yeah my dads 83 heh..”

    ew..!..so you are an old man preying on those hookers..?

    ..that just compounds their contempt/loathing for/of you..eh..?

    ..an old/flabby business-man ‘trick’…

    ..the ones they laugh at the most…

    ..(are you a masochist..?..to invite such contempt from those you are/pretend to be.. ‘intimate’ with..?..)

    ..and hey..!..even sadder than before..eh..?

    ..what do you think they try to think of to distract themselves as this grotty old man paws at them/slobbers over them..?

    ..eh..?

    ..dime-the-stud is fast morphing into an old man in a tired suit..with a tired body..

    ..eh..?

    ..just a sad joke..

    have a nice day..eh..?

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  41. Elaycee (4,301 comments) says:

    Luc’s latest piece of propaganda starts:

    “I don’t usually post long extracts….. in view of the long list of lies promulgated by the racist (mainly Christian) Zionists who infest this and other blogs……….it’s important for truth to be made readily accessible.”

    Yup, it is important, so here goes: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/155814#.T7LVReiP8fU

    Not unusual that Luc forgets to mention the ongoing terrorist acts being carried out by Hamas.

    Not unusual at all.

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  42. thedavincimode (6,532 comments) says:

    Stupid lying lazy bludger

    If you didn’t spend so much time fossicking around for rubbish to repeat you would know that dime’s father was 52 when he married his (then) 27 yo mother.

    Where did this little rant come from anyway? Not getting any female company at the taxpayer-funded Magpie Manor?

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  43. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    so..unlike his dad..who could seduce the young women…

    ..dime has to buy/hire them..?

    ..every revelation just makes the tale/dime even sadder…

    ..(is he yr buddy there..(not) da vinci..?

    ..are you cock-buddies..?

    ..do you share his prostitutes..?

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  44. slijmbal (1,211 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10806228

    “fight! fight! fight! …..”

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  45. David Garrett (6,422 comments) says:

    Davinci: the thing that has me chortling is the idiot has riled up my friend Wahine…normally the most generous and placid of women….the stupid fellow doesnt realise what he is dealing with….her employer has an acronym he is very familiar with…the source of “the money” for the past 25! And she’s not right happy where her taxes are going!

    Join the …..Phool….

    Apparently the process takes some time, but once they get going….and the great thing is, his every post on here is proof of his voluntary idleness on the taxpayer’s ticket…

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  46. immigant (950 comments) says:

    I propose a new game to play. It is called – “Guess the country by the headline”

    I’ll start us off.

    “Baby found in robbery getaway car”

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  47. kowtow (7,625 comments) says:

    Luc

    Happy nutbar day!

    To summarise:

    The Jews won,get over it.

    Now fuck off.

    Shalom.

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  48. RRM (9,453 comments) says:

    kowtow –

    That attitude – flipped around – would make an interesting banner to put up at the Auschwitz museum wouldn’t it?

    “These Jews lost, get over it. Now fuck off…”

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  49. thedavincimode (6,532 comments) says:

    his every post on here is proof of his voluntary idleness on the taxpayer’s ticket…

    Yes, he wasn’t interested in Mr I Suckit’s offer and he doesn’t appear to have demonstrated any interest in taking advantage of m’baiters exit from the carpet cleaning industry.

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  50. David Garrett (6,422 comments) says:

    immigant: Excellent! Ah….Singapore? No, the “parents” would be imprisoned for that, as well as having the baby taken from them…Japan? No, they take a very dim view of armed robbery there…Australia? A possibility…

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  51. kowtow (7,625 comments) says:

    rrm

    Those extermination death camps prove how necessary a Jewish state is.

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  52. TimG_Oz (917 comments) says:

    On my blog today: A brilliant article in Quadrant, “How Anti-Zionism seduced the intellectual Left”:

    http://timgoz.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/how-anti-zionism-seduced-intellectual.html

    Enjoy!

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  53. dime (9,430 comments) says:

    lmao Phil im starting to think i got under your skin :)

    im 35.

    As for Romney – they cut some dudes hair in high school and the dude turned out to be gay. so in lefty world 50 years later romney is a gay basher. society has changed in 50 years but not romney lol desperate.

    thats like saying “phil used to service men for drug money so he probably still does”.. although the old adage “once a junkie, always a junkie” always holds true. Along with “never trust a junkie”

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  54. Northland Wahine (648 comments) says:

    David… Give the poor kids a break? They couldn’t find a baby sister?! They were being responsible parents! ( and yes, for those too stoned or stupid or both to understand, this is called sarcasm)

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  55. adze (1,864 comments) says:

    Can we please not have another philu day, it’s clear that 1) no matter how many times you demand that he does, he’ll not look for a job, in fact he’s probably just hanging out for the pension; 2) every interaction with him just feeds his raison d’être on this blog.
    Cheers

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  56. James Stephenson (2,029 comments) says:

    I wonder if “The News of the World” was once, in the mists of time, a proper newspaper? does anyone know?

    According to wiki (yeah, I know, but) the NoTW was “the cheapest newspaper of its time” and “quickly established itself as a purveyor of titillation, shock and criminal news” after it foundation in1843.

    Looks like it had a good claim on being the first tabloid.

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  57. dime (9,430 comments) says:

    adze – its painful but the only way to rid ourselves of the half wit is to interact, wait for him to get wound up and then get himself banned :)

    Next time he hits the demerit threshold we will be rid of him for 8 months.

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  58. David Garrett (6,422 comments) says:

    Adze: I feel your pain, really I do… And I know I am going to regret saying this…I just know it…. but for some reason the drug addled loser just pushes buttons (vision of the phool falling off his stool in delight)…as I have said before, it’s like that mossie bite that you just KNOW you shouldnt itch….but you do…

    dime: Asking him questions about the “nipper” (who I am sure just loves being described thus, at age 16) gets him going a treat..Questions like “ever shown the nipper how to prepare a speedball?” or “When did you first give the nipper a ‘shotgun’ of skunk?” and “How come the nipper never comes on here to

    James S: Thanks for that re the NOTW…the interweb is truly a marvellous thing…

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  59. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Is anyone listening and following this man

    http://www.realecontv.com/videos/central-banks/how-the-fed-is-trashing-the-economy.html

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  60. Fletch (6,025 comments) says:

    PhilU –

    The older sister of Mitt Romney’s former high school classmate said she has no knowledge of any bullying incident involving her brother and the GOP presidential candidate. [...]
    “The family of John Lauber is releasing a statement saying the portrayal of John is factually incorrect and we are aggrieved that he would be used to further a political agenda. There will be no more comments from the family,” she said. “If he were still alive today, he would be furious [about the story],” she said with tears in her eyes.

    Also, the Washington Post has had to make a correction.

    The original Washington Post piece stated the following:

    “I always enjoyed his pranks,” said Stu White, a popular friend of Romney’s who went on to a career as a public school teacher and has long been bothered by the Lauber incident. [emphasis added]

    Yet in an interview with ABC News today, White disowned that characterization:

    While the Post reports White as having “long been bothered” by the haircutting incident,” he told ABC News he was not present for the prank, in which Romney is said to have forcefully cut a student’s long hair and was not aware of it until this year when he was contacted by the Washington Post.

    Originally the WP just changed the wording to their story, but didn’t inform the readers that they had changed the story. They now have.

    Here’s what one of Romney’s friends, Gregg Dearth says about him in an article from Auto Mag –

    “With his powerful father, ‘He could have been an arrogant, stuck-up, snotty little brat,’ says Dearth. ‘But he was a great guy — an all-American kid with a great sense of humor, very self-effacing.’ And although it’s been documented that Romney played a teenage prank or two — including once impersonating a police officer in order to scare some female friends — Dearth remembers Mitt as the most straitlaced kid in the neighborhood. ‘Those of us who tested the boundaries in high school still marvel at the self-discipline he displayed,’ Dearth continues. ‘With a father who was then governor, Mitt knew where the line was and never crossed it. I think it was a sign of his deep respect for his dad and the way he was brought up. I often tell people he has more integrity than anyone I know. And I was raised a Unitarian.’”

    More reading –

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/05/11/Washington-Post-Romney-Bullying-Profile-Contradicted-By-Automobile-Magazine

    http://www.policymic.com/articles/8260/in-romney-gay-bully-saga-mainstream-media-makes-something-out-of-nothing

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/05/10/Washington-Post-Hit-Piece-Implodes

    http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/1206_mitt_romney/

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  61. RRM (9,453 comments) says:

    If you don’t condemn the words of drug-addled, child-abusing, welfare-rorting, criminal, druggie pieces of flotsam when you see them, then you’re condoning them.

    Do you want to condone them?

    (And yes; teaching a kid that rorting the benefit and spending the free money on mind-fucking drugs is a viable way of life, is child abuse.)

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  62. adze (1,864 comments) says:

    RRM, agreed in principle, but I think the point has been well and truly made.

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  63. Fletch (6,025 comments) says:

    Tom Hunter, yes I read about that Presidential bio thing this morning. Unbelievable!

    Also an author from Canada Free Press reckons (as far-fetched as it seems) that Obama could intentionally start a race war that leads to riots where a “flase flag event” will be created leading to Obama declaring martial law and having to apologize for the election having to be put off.

    Canada Free Press contributor Doug Hagmann has reported that a longtime friend and Department of Homeland Security official revealed to him “…the uppermost echelon of the DHS is actively preparing for massive social unrest inside the United States,” and not only “…expecting and preparing for it, they are actually facilitating it.”

    According to Hagmann’s DHS source, the Obama Regime—which initiates Department agenda and dominates its thinking—will proceed by implementing “economic chaos, chaos through racial division and chaos through class division, all joined by Barack Hussein Obama and his stable of unelected czars.”

    For three years, the Administration has worked to destroy the private sector and destabilize the value of the dollar. It has injected race and class into every argument, setting the stage for “summer riots” organized by Regime operatives. And when economic calamity and civil unrest are at their zenith, “…a false flag event against Obama or his family, something that will outrage ‘black America’ ” will be crafted, its purpose, to “…evoke the ugliest of reactions and create racial chaos in this country that will make the Watts riots, 1968 and the Rodney King riots pale in comparison.”

    At this juncture, the federal government will be “forced” to take a hand for the well-being of the nation and the American public, of course. Martial law will be declared by an appropriately “reluctant” Barack Obama, who will offer a television persona clearly dis-inclined to the exercise of such staggering authority. Naturally, he will promise the duration of his absolute power to be brief and its use, strictly and fairly measured.

    The 2012 election will–for the purposes of fairness and equity—be indefinitely postponed.
    Although claims in the Canada Free Press article sound very much like the ravings of “tin foil hat”-wearing conspiracy theorists, it should be remembered who the enemy is, the extraordinary sweep and authority they have already attained, and the arrogance and lust for power that drives them.

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/will-obama-attempt-to-declare-martial-law-before-november-election/

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  64. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    right ho fletch…his big sister ‘didn’t know about it’..

    ..so of course it never happened..eh..?

    ..the other witnesses are just making it all up..are they..?

    ..what do their big sisters have to say about it..?

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  65. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..Also an author from Canada Free Press reckons (as far-fetched as it seems) that Obama could intentionally start a race war that leads to riots where he will declare martial law and apologize for the election having to be put off…”

    this is the second time you have tried to peddle this horse-shit…eh..?

    ..it is as deluded/laughable this time as it was last time..

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  66. Manolo (13,367 comments) says:

    The community organiser and defender of the poor: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/05/obama-worth-as-much-as-10-million/1#.T7LrCVL5vWA

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  67. David Garrett (6,422 comments) says:

    Adze: you are right…you are right….we all need therapy…paid for my ourselves of course.

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  68. tom hunter (4,413 comments) says:

    … created leading to Obama declaring martial law and having to apologize for the election having to be put off.

    Although claims in the Canada Free Press article sound very much like the ravings of “tin foil hat”-wearing conspiracy theorists…

    They are Fletch. In fact they’re exactly the same dingbat conspiracy theories that were floating around numerous Lefty blogsites about Bush cancelling the 2008 elections.

    For a start, you’d have to think that the Obama administration was competent enough to pull it off, but they’re more like the “Joker” in The Dark Knight when he said: Do I look like a guy with a plan?.

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  69. All_on_Red (1,359 comments) says:

    Practise safe Fracking

    “A planned shale gas drilling project in New York state has drawn global attention for its aim to make use of a waterless form of hydraulic fracking – a new technique designed to reduce the pollution associated with controversial natural gas drilling processes.
    Propane replaces water and chemicals
    According to an industry report, the project is focused on using a technology that pumps a thick gel made from propane into the ground as opposed to using traditional methods of hydraulic fracking that make use of a mixture of water, sand, and chemicals to extract natural gas reserves from deep shale formations. Unlike traditional technologies, the gel from the new liquefied propane gas (LPG) fracking method reverts to vapor while still underground, and as a result returns to the surface in a recoverable form”

    http://resourceinvestingnews.com/36090-waterless-natural-gas-fracking-method-unveiled.html#ixzz1uzFHYE7M

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  70. Keeping Stock (10,100 comments) says:

    Well said David Garrett (11.28am), although the drug references might be stretching the bounds of propriety just a little.

    Phil, as most good parents would, gets a bit upset when his son is brought into the debate. The irony though is that Phil himself has brought his son into the debate, by stating as he has that he cannot work because he is not prepared for his som to be in any kind of childcare either after school or in the school holidays. This is in spite of the fact that his son is now more than 14 years old, and can legally be left at home on his own.

    Phil may have his foibles, but he is not uncapable of working. After all, he has a Masters degree, and you generally don’t get one of those off the back of a Weetbix packet. With modern technologies, and with his obvious ability to search the internet, there’s no reason why he couldn’t work from home either.

    He’s definitely picked the wrong person in Northland Wahine to get into a scrap with. Your updates on the skirmish will be looked forward to with a degree of anticipation.

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  71. RRM (9,453 comments) says:

    You never know Fletch, Obama might incite all the niggers to rise up so that he can declare martial law and postpone the elections. :-|

    No doubt he has a couple of commie ex-KGB generals helping him along with all this. I bet the aliens from Area 51 are involved somehow also.

    (Jesus H. Christ on a bike, how can you read websites like that and keep a straight face?
    “The Western Center for Journalism – informing and equipping Americans who love freedom”… every headline in the sidebar is “Obama this…” “Obama that…” “When will Obama…” “What if Obama…” “Obama’s lust for power…” M’Baiter has probably got that web page bookmarked under “fave porn fapping sites”)

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  72. Fletch (6,025 comments) says:

    RRM, I don’t actually take notice of what site it is. I usually wake up and check out Zite on my iPod Touch and it brings news stuff up at random. Not like I went looking for it, and I have no idea what else is on the site.

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  73. F E Smith (3,302 comments) says:

    kowtow,

    +1 with your comment.

    Interesting how Luc Hansen is so forward in supporting the genocidal, anti-semitic policies of the Arab terrorists, yet so dismissive of people who have truly suffered at the hands of anti-semites through the centuries. One day perhaps he will get over his racism and get on with living.

    At least, we can hope that he will.

    Luc, this is the 21st century. Nobody outside of the Middle East believes the Protocols to be true any more.

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  74. Zapper (926 comments) says:

    While I don’t give any credence to the Obama false flag story, philu calling it “horseshit” is delicious in its irony.

    This is the guy who thinks Bush pulled off 9/11 and the CIA killed JFK…

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  75. Griff (6,765 comments) says:

    Conservative wing nut USA
    Why the fascination held for the presidential elections in the states I Know for a fact that the yanks elect the leaders they deserve. From the dribbling geriatric d grade actor to the clown who saved the world by inciting a couple of pointless wars that no one will ever win. They all end up being nothing but caricatures for the rest of the world to laugh at. OH bummer has proven to be one of the sanest and least corrupt USA presidents in living memory
    And that is not an endorsement of the man and his politics just a reflection of the standards set by the former presidents of the USA

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  76. David Garrett (6,422 comments) says:

    Zapper: Very good….and the amazing thing is he says both (or all three rather) without any appreciation at all of the utter irony of it all…a “discerning conspiracy theorist” perhaps? “Selectively insane” ?

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  77. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    zapper..one of the last people on the planet to still think oswald acted alone..

    ..and a ‘believer’ of the official 9/11 story/cover-up..

    he also probably still believes eating meat is good for you…

    ..and is wondering why the tooth-fairy dosen’t still visit..

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  78. Zapper (926 comments) says:

    And here he is again…apologies for turning GD into nutjob central.

    I’m one of the people who doesn’t form my opinion based on movies philu.

    David, selectively insane, I like it. And obviously selected based on his warped world view. On the positive side, this means maybe there’s hope for him yet, if he’s able to select his insanity?

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  79. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    (does anyone know anyone suffering from m.s..?

    ..kinda sucks they aren’t allowed what could help relieve their symptoms/their ‘spasticity’….eh..?

    ..almost seems kinda both cruel..and unthinking/mindless..

    ..how can it not..?..)

    http://whoar.co.nz/2012/smoking-medical-marijuana-may-decrease-multiple-sclerosis-symptoms-study-suggests/

    “..Smoking medical marijuana could help relieve some symptoms of multiple sclerosis, a small new study suggests.

    Researchers from the University of California San Diego, found that people with MS who smoked cannabis had decreased pain and muscle tightness – called spasticity.

    However the researchers warned that smoking the cannabis also led to problems with focus and attention…”

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  80. Fletch (6,025 comments) says:

    Why the fascination held for the presidential elections in the states I Know for a fact that the yanks elect the leaders they deserve.

    Griff, because the president of the USA is practically the most powerful leader in the free world.
    It matters; trust me. The way Obama has governed has stuffed up his country and could affect the rest of the world. These things don’t happen in isolation. If you think little old New Zealand is safe here down under, you’re mistaken.

    If America falls, “There won’t be a Shire, Pippin”

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  81. tom hunter (4,413 comments) says:

    Why the fascination held for the presidential elections in the states …

    Well if you’re talking about people who have no idea about the huge role played by the Senate and House in the US government, people who think President=Emperor/God King, then the implied irritation behind the question would make sense. In other words, it’s not that important because that’s not the nature of the beast.

    But this is a political blog, so naturally enough people are interested (not interested enough in my opinion) in the leadership of the world’s only hyperpower, even as those limitations on it are understood.

    But aside from the aspect of political junkies, the question should be turned around: how could anybody think that the government of the world’s most powerful economy, most powerful military, and the generator of almost every significant social trend of the last 50 years at least, was not a worthy object of fascination?

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  82. dime (9,430 comments) says:

    I love the left.

    “bush is an idiot”

    “bush was behind 9/11 and covered it up”.

    so the question is – how could an idiot cover something that big up? clinton couldnt even cover up getting blown in the oval office.

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  83. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    bush is/was more a pawn..

    ..everyone knows cheney was really running everything..

    ..and that on the day..he was the one who sat in his bunker..(official records prove)..stopping any fighters from attacking the planes…

    ..and guiding/shepherding them into new york..

    ..widen yr gazes…eh..?

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  84. RRM (9,453 comments) says:

    The way Obama has governed has stuffed up his country and could affect the rest of the world.

    Really? :-|

    George Dubya was a fiscal disaster, I’m not sure what exactly was Republican about him. In what way is Obama any worse?

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  85. Zapper (926 comments) says:

    Official records also prove the fighters never got a chance to shoot down the planes.

    You should have treated Loose Change as a comedy like those of us with braincells left did.

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  86. kowtow (7,625 comments) says:

    Yes FES it’s very interesting how the left and anti semites are so quick to publicise “nutbar” day,and to tie it in to their other pet hates such as imperialism,colonialism,anti apartheid ,anti Americanism etc.

    and yet today a new disaster is unfolding at the hands of a genocidal Muslim wanted for war crimes. And this goes largely unremarked by the MSM and ignored by the left. Black Christian victims of black/arab Muslims…. ho hum ,move along nothing to see here.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-18059276

    What is it about the religion of peace that they can’t seem to get along with anyone unless they are undisputed master?

    Turkey, genocide and ethnic cleansing
    India…..no no we must have a ‘pure” country, Pakistan. Created in mayhem , murder and mass migration.And still oppressing it’s minorities.
    Israel ,attacked by all it’s neighbours and still threatened with extinction.
    Ethnic cleansing of Jews from every Muslim middle eastern country
    Nigeria,boko haram
    Thailand,seccesion in the south
    Phillipines terror in the south
    Cypress,illegally occupied by a state that the EU elites want to admit
    Egypt,oppression of the Copts.

    So instead of nutbar day perhaps we should have a day of reflection on what Mohammed and his message has brought the world?

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  87. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Ah yes, the usual suspects having a go at me and throwing around false narratives, red herrings, deflections and, of course, personal abuse.

    That’s why I recommend readers to do their own research (you could start with the reading list on my blog on the issue – the authors are mainly Israelis).

    Kowtow displays his ignorance of history.

    The Holocaust was not why Israel was created. The Zionist project was initiated in the late 18th century. The Balfour declaration was issued in 1926. Hitler did not assume power until 1933. The Holocaust, and the complicity of the Allies in the genocide until the end of WWII, certainly added emphasis to the movement to dispossess Palestinians of their land.

    F E Smith is another example of muddled thinking on display.

    The original anti-Semitics were the Europeans, through pogroms and genocide, over centuries. it is simply a lie to suggest that Arabs were in any way involved in this European behaviour. There has never been centuries of Arab repression of Jews that would compare with the actions of Europeans upon their own. It was the Ottoman Empire who gave haven to Jews when they were forced from Spain. And their status under the Ottomans had both advantages and disadvantages, and was little different to the treatment meted out to other non-Muslim ethnicities.

    F E Smith and Kowtow elevate the ambitions of European Jewry as regards Palestine as more important that the actual inhabitants of that land, who were always and are presently denied the right of self-determination, which was the general international decolonisation policy subsequent to WWII.

    There’s the true racism on display here.

    By the way, F E Smith, the protocols were yet another European slur on the fellow citizens, circa 1800. Another red herring.

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  88. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    i have never seen ‘loose change’…

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  89. Fletch (6,025 comments) says:

    philu, and I’m a conspiracy theorist?

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  90. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..Official records also prove the fighters never got a chance to shoot down the planes…”

    no zapper..that is the official-story…

    ..there is a difference..

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  91. Zapper (926 comments) says:

    Of course, if the fighters had been close enough to shoot down the planes, conspiracy theorists could have used that to create a crazy conspiracy theory. Given the extreme sensitivity of the information and the actual act of shooting down a passenger jet, they could have come up with a lot more too. Instead, an event that didn’t happen proves the conspiracy…

    It must be great being insane, any set of facts can be made to look sinister.

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  92. tom hunter (4,413 comments) says:

    George Dubya was a fiscal disaster,

    Yes. And the screams from the Democrats made it seem even worse as they wrung their hands about $400 billion deficits, not to mention the “jobless recovery” of 2002/3 with unemployment at around 5-6% in that time.

    I’m not sure what exactly was Republican about him.

    Me neither: Compassionate Conservatism anybody ($&@*@**@ … wheoooouuuraalll, hoik, spit, wheoooouuuraalll… *#*#*#*).

    In what way is Obama any worse?

    Domestically, he’s done almost the same things as Bush, but bigger and faster, with correspondingly worse results. Just on debt alone, in what universe is $5 trillion borrowed and thrown on the funeral pyre over four years, compared to $4 trillion over eight years, not considered “worse”.

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  93. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    so..zapper..just so we have some sort of benchmark..

    ..oswald acted alone..?

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  94. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Kowtow, you obviously don’t understand the meaning of deflection, or perhaps you do. You certainly understand how to present a false narrative.

    Israel has only been attacked once, in 1972. The Arab armies, mainly irregulars, entered in 1948 to protect Palestinians who had already been driven out of much of the land allocated them by the UN. Beginning in late 1947, the Jews of Palestine attacked and ethnically cleansed large areas of Palestine that had been allocated to the Arab population. The remaining conflicts since that time have all been initiated by Israel. You may consider each to be justified, but that’s not the point in this correction to your narrative.

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  95. Fletch (6,025 comments) says:

    Luc, the Jews have ALWAYS lived there in some form, since Biblical times, going back to the time of King David and even before.
    Check out the maps –

    http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/israel_hist_1973.jpg

    And check this map circa 1926. Check out the lower left map which shows the area during Solomon and David’s times.

    http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/shepherd/ancient_palestine_ref_1926.jpg

    Answer me the question, why should the Jews not have their own homeland? Why not? Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that’s too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today . . .

    Jordan is actually ‘Palestine’, but they won’t take in the “Palestinians”

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  96. dime (9,430 comments) says:

    http://debka.com/article/22003/ – outlining the US strategy for strikes on Iran. Ouch.

    and just for Luc – the Jews will be helping :) hopefully they will just target children

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  97. Zapper (926 comments) says:

    God, here we go. Go and read Gerald Posner’s book, cover to cover, then refute his evidence.

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  98. Zapper (926 comments) says:

    And note the classic nutbar tactic – can’t refute something, so move on to something else.

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  99. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    who the fuck is/what is the significance of gerald posner..?..(in yr view..)

    ..does he ‘prove’ oswald acted alone..?

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  100. Zapper (926 comments) says:

    Have you read his book? If not, are you willing to? If not, why not?

    (That was rhetorical by the way – I know you’re not interested in evidence that doesn’t back up your insanity)

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  101. TimG_Oz (917 comments) says:

    Interesting that Luc uses the term “false narratives” and states that Israel is the only country rejecting the 2 state solution.

    How many peace offerings have there been? In 2000, Arafat was offered everything and still rejected it.

    How long has Mahmoud Abbas been rejecting to even talk to Israel? 3 years! When it was leaked that the Palestinians were actually prepared to negotiate to allow peace with Israel, look at the uproar (Palileaks).

    Of course Hamas rejects the two state solution entirely. Luc does too .. he often talks about that there will be just a single country called Palestine.

    Luc mentions a two state solution and the BDS movement. BDS are very clear that they want the two state solution to be “a Palestine next to a Palestine”.

    In the meantime, we have bipartisan support (left and right, including the Greens!) in Australia and New Zealand. Political and trade groups are busy visiting Israel on Friendship and Trade Missions:

    http://timgoz.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/new-zealand-month-in-israel.html

    Great to see that the false pretentions of BDS is way off the table politically.

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  102. David Garrett (6,422 comments) says:

    You remember when you smoked weed (100 years ago of course) you found one particular phrase or word fascinating, and keep repeating it, and dissolving into gales of helpless totally illogical laughter?

    This may explain why Phool repeats endlessly “so oswald acted alone?” Ha HA HAA HA ha..”Oswald acted alone?” HA HA HA ha hah hah hah “Acted alone?” HA HA HAH HAH HAH haaaaah…..

    [repeat above ad nauseum until it wears off...although I understand for chronic users like him it never "wears off"..stoned becomes the new normal state]

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  103. publicwatchdog (2,106 comments) says:

    Tonight, Wednesday 16 May 2012, at Auckland University Library basement, during my presentation, as part of ACTIVIST WEEK, from 6 – 7pm, I will be giving fellow Public Watchdog Vince Siemer, an opportunity to explain why, for the FOURTH time, he is facing imprisonment although he has not broken any law.

    Vince Siemer breached an unlawful order of Judge Winkelmann, that not only denied the Urewera defendants the right to trial by jury, but suppressed the public’s right to know this.

    Under NZ law – there is no lawful basis for a Judge to suppress a judgment or the reasons for it.

    As a ‘whistle-blower’ exposing NZ judicial corruption, Vince Siemer has been persecuted in a way that defies belief – especially in a country ‘perceived’ to be the ‘least corrupt in the world’.

    http://www.kiwisfirst.co.nz – Vince Siemer’s website, is, in my opinion – the leading website exposing the lack of judicial transparency and accountability and judicial corruption based upon ‘conflicts of interest’.

    Come and hear for yourself this DISGRACEFUL story, which confirms why NZ URGENTLY needs an enforceable Code of Conduct for NZ Judges.

    A petition will be available for people to sign on this matter.

    http://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/from/decisions/judgments

    SIEMER V THE SOLICITOR-GENERAL COA CA607/2011 [11 May 2012]
    IN THE COURT OF APPEAL OF NEW ZEALAND
    CA607/2011
    [2012] NZCA 188
    BETWEEN VINCENT ROSS SIEMER
    Appellant
    AND THE SOLICITOR-GENERAL
    Respondent

    Hearing: 1 February 2012
    Court: O’Regan P, Harrison and Wild JJ
    Counsel: T Ellis and G K Edgeler for Appellant
    M F Laracy and G J Robins for Respondent
    Judgment: 11 May 2012 at 10 am

    JUDGMENT OF THE COURT

    A The appeal is dismissed.

    B The appellant is to present himself at Auckland Remand Prison at 9 am on 25 May 2012 to commence serving his term of six weeks
    imprisonment.

    C There will be no order as to costs.
    _________________________________________________________________

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
    http://www.pennybright4epsom.org.nz
    http://www.stopthesupercity.org.nz

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  104. Nookin (3,035 comments) says:

    On what authority do you say that the Winklemann decision was unlawful? It has been appealed. The appellate courts have ruled it to have been lawful. Are you a higher authority? Who appointed you?

    You complain that the decision overrode the rights of the defendants. You ignore the fact that the defendants supported the suppression order and wanted it to continue. Are not you being a wee bit selective?

    The Supreme Court decision makes it quite clear that your mate deliberately and defiantly defied a court decision with which he did not agree. His actions were predicated on the self perception that he was a higher authority and had the right to ignore judicial decisions with which he did not agree.

    It hasn’t been a good month for him, judicially speaking, has it?

    Now tell me, Penny, don’t you believe in the rule of law?

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  105. KevinH (1,131 comments) says:

    @zapper, @philu
    I have suspected that flight UA93 was shot down, but that is just my own personal speculation.

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  106. Zapper (926 comments) says:

    I wondered in the early days if that would end up coming out as being what happened too, KevinH. It didn’t and the evidence shows it didn’t happen.

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  107. David Garrett (6,422 comments) says:

    KevinH: Now THAT one might have some credence…then a wonderful “heroic passengers overcame hijackers and sacrificed themselves” cover story a la “Wag the Dog” starring Dustin Hoffman…

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  108. cows4me (248 comments) says:

    I see the Chinese government has ordered it’s airlines not to supply the EU with records that would allow carbon taxes to be levied on said airlines. Well done China, these European bullshit artists need to be put in their place. It’s high time these parasites realised the world is sick of their cons, they reap what they sow.

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  109. graham (2,215 comments) says:

    @ KevinH: You are correct, and do you know who shot it down?

    Lee Harvey Oswald.

    Y’see, Oswald didn’t die in 1963. It was a vast conspiracy ™, and Jack Ruby was framed. Oh yes, and it will all come out and be proved in the fullness of time. Oswald was secretly set free by the US Government, who were even at this early stage starting to lay plans for the eventual destruction of the World Trade Centre (I know, it wasn’t opened until 10 years later, but the US Government is brilliant at forward planning, believe me).

    Oswald was set free by the US Government who planned to use his skills in the vast conspiracy that was even then being planned. But, little could they know that Oswald would betray them …

    Folks, there is so much more that I could tell you, but I am afraid that if I say much more, Echelon will be triggered and the men in black will find me. All I will say now is … wait for the film shortly to be released, entitled “Loose Cannon”.

    Do YOU believe? You will …

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  110. graham (2,215 comments) says:

    Oh … and you know how philu said “..everyone knows cheney was really running everything..”

    A clever man, that philu. He sees things that other people do not. Do you realise, for example, that Dick Cheney’s wife, Lynne Cheney, is a descendant of Mormon pioneers? And that as the Secretary of Defense from 1989 to 1993, Cheney deemed it appropriate to cut the budget and downsize the military?

    Need I say any more? I think not.

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  111. graham (2,215 comments) says:

    Folks, you have just 30 minutes left to get to Penny’s presentation at Auckland University Library basement and listen to Vince Siemer explain why he’s right and EVERYBODY ELSE is WRONG.

    Better hurry, all the good seats will be gone.

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  112. Leaping Jimmy (15,947 comments) says:

    Expect this political technology to become more prevalent:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/14/obama-digital-campaigning-dashboard

    Useful idiots unite – PNAC? This is much better:
    http://henryjacksonsociety.org/about-the-society/

    Who is Obama?
    http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/05/obama-our-first-gay-female-black-hispanic-asian-jewish-president/52299/

    Fukushima update:
    http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=641

    Final comment: even though phil is often wrong, even fools are right sometimes. He’s more right on some of the things discussed above than many of you. Many of you don’t seem to have the first clue about what is really happening to this world and why and who is doing it. The sad thing is, you and your kids are the ones who’ll suffer. And all you have to do to avoid this, is open your minds. I mean FFS, as an example: who doesn’t understand the real truth about who Oswald was, today, fifty years after the fact. What is wrong with your head, that you apparently cannot assimilate that simple information from the mountain of data that is freely available as to what really happened to JFK that day? Why can’t you see that Oswald always was a patsy setup specifically for the purpose of taking the blame specifically so he could be silenced days later? Why does that obvious fact make your tummy hurt so you scream “it’s not true” like a little schoolgirl, even today? Of are you just really, really, really thick and your mind is so tiny it simply can’t process the data? Ah, who cares. Good luck in the upcoming multiple crises which are about to befall all of us one after the other over the next few years. I’d tell you what’s coming up, but you wouldn’t believe it, so why bother.

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  113. mikenmild (10,720 comments) says:

    Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. Agent Mulder confirmed this in the X-Files.

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  114. Leaping Jimmy (15,947 comments) says:

    Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

    Of course he did, and he was amazing. He was so amazing none of the FBI sharp-shooters were able to replicate his feat of accuracy and number of shots fired in the time he would have had to have done it in order to achieve what he did, according to the Warren Report, during the replication tests.

    BUT THAT DOESN’T MATTER.

    What matters is. If he didn’t do it acting alone, then thousands of people would have had to have been involved and surely shirley, one of them would have talked by now, therefore he must have done it, by himself, and anyone who says different is a commie.

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  115. Elaycee (4,301 comments) says:

    More bullshit from Luc… this time: “Israel has only been attacked once, in 1972…”

    What about the (almost) daily rocket attacks launched by the Hamas terrorists across the border into the sovereign state of Israel? Do you only forget about that because of your support of the terrorists?

    Pffttt…. your credibility meter is stuck on zero.

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  116. graham (2,215 comments) says:

    mikenmild, you are of course correct. Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, and Mulder confirming this just underscores the fact.

    But the US Government conspiracy™ also happened. Believe me when I say that what you see in “Loose Cannon”™ will change the way you think about this forever. For the past forty years, your eyes have been blinded to the UGC™ (US Government conspiracy™).

    And talking of the X-Files: May I draw your attention to that other excellent piece of investigative journalism, The Lone Gunmen. You will, of course, be familiar with the pilot episode, which depicted a plane being flown into the New York World Trade Center, and was originally aired six months before 9/11.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lone_Gunmen_%28TV_series%29

    The truth is out there, folks. The warning was given, but we were too naive to realise it. Only a few brave, incredibly insightful people understand the truth. That they choose to share their wisdom with us is something for which we all should give thanks most humbly.

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  117. mikenmild (10,720 comments) says:

    You don’t believe Agent Mulder? Shame on you.

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  118. Griff (6,765 comments) says:

    For the car buffs out there Holden is to renew its sale of v8 cars into the states
    This may mean the Aussiev8 will be continued into the future

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  119. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    Since January 2011, approximately 583 rockets and 300 mortar shells fired from Gaza have hit Israeli civilian areas.

    I get the feeling that if Luc could record video of each strike he would. Just to watch over and over and over again. To make his heart sing.

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  120. mikenmild (10,720 comments) says:

    Is there any record of the number of rockets and shells that have been fired into Gaza over the same period?

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  121. Zapper (926 comments) says:

    “Of course he did, and he was amazing. He was so amazing none of the FBI sharp-shooters were able to replicate his feat of accuracy and number of shots fired in the time he would have had to have done it in order to achieve what he did, according to the Warren Report, during the replication tests.”

    Direct quote from a fictitious movie. You’re an idiot.

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  122. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Elaycee

    Nice sidestep. I think you will find the mention of attacks I reponded to referred unequivocally to conflict between Arab states and Israel. All state actors.

    As regards Hamas, you should examine the history of the conflict. Hamas’ military wing was only set up during the First Intifada, after some twenty years of brutal occupation and continued dispossession by Israel. The al Qassam Brigades is a resistance movement, responding to the original aggression of Israel ie the occupation.

    Palestine’s Jews, themselves, resorted to terrorism both to drive out Britain and to dispossess Palestinians from an early stage.

    However, the fact that you had to resort to an appeal to the actions of a small, non-state entity shows the accuracy of my statement.

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  123. Leaping Jimmy (15,947 comments) says:

    Direct quote from a fictitious movie. You’re an idiot.

    Cory, don’t be hysterical. I know it’s hard, try to control yourself.

    What movie, BTW?

    Just making things up?

    Again?

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  124. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    LJ

    My opinion of your opinion re the JFK killing is that it is easy to fit patterns to actions in hindsight (conspiracy theory)and lose sight of the fact that the evidence that Oswald acted alone is overwhelming.

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  125. Leaping Jimmy (15,947 comments) says:

    Is there any record of the number of rockets and shells that have been fired into Gaza over the same period?

    Do you want those from the JewishAmerican media or the objective media?

    JewishAmerican media = 9,287,456,201,651

    Objective = 3

    But we know who to believe, “don’t we.” (We’re not commies. After all.)

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  126. mikenmild (10,720 comments) says:

    Are people who believe in one conspiracy theory psychologically predisposed to believe in others?

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  127. Leaping Jimmy (15,947 comments) says:

    the evidence that Oswald acted alone is overwhelming

    Luc if that’s your real opinion on JFK then my opinion of your perspicacity just went down a several notches.

    Sorry. I don’t care about re-litigating what is already in the public domain but if anyone alive today has not yet assimilated those lessons from history in terms of what happened and what they mean, I have as much confidence in their analysis and insight of present-day events as I have in Simon Dallow’s.

    Over and out mate. Nice knowing you.

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  128. TimG_Oz (917 comments) says:

    This bloke has been photographed under the Hezbollah flag at last nights Nakba Rally in Sydney

    http://timgoz.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/nazi-snapped-at-last-nights-nakba-rally.html

    Of course they aren’t anti-semitic, only anti-zionist. Fun guys, those BDSers.

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  129. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    LJ

    You have promised me that before, mate.

    Remember, reid?

    See if you can keep to your word this time.

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  130. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Demolishing a favorite TimG myth:

    The Camp David myth of a “generous” offer –

    http://electronicintifada.net/content/ungenerous-occupier-israels-camp-david-exposed/7270

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  131. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    for TimG again:

    Of course Hamas rejects the two state solution entirely. Luc does too .. he often talks about that there will be just a single country called Palestine.

    1. Hamas has rescinded that [position, just as it has renounced terrorism as a tactic in the Palestinian struggle. You can search for Charlie Rose’s interview of Khaled Meshal in which the latter lays out his acceptance of a two state solution. In the meantime, Hamas has consistently asked for a long term truce with no predonditions (other than Israel stops attacking)

    2. As regards myself, I support the two state solution as the only pragmatic pathway to settlement, but like all cases of colonialism where the indigenous people remain significant and extant, there is no full and final settlement until all injustices are redressed, in whatever form that takes. In my opinion, and in the absence of a final act of genocide by Israel, the final settlement will see the emergence of one country where power is shared through fully democratic elections.

    And I repeat, the fixation on a relatively minor group in a population of around 5.5 million is deflection from the root causes.

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  132. Steve (North Shore) (4,499 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/6933974/Teleportation-record-broken

    Just imagine Phool’s two brain cells connecting – even over a short distance

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  133. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Final note for TimG:

    The appeal to anti-Semitism is losing its aura, even in the US. Anti-semitism exists, but it does not serve to cover for Israel’s sins against Palestinians.

    Reputable people who oppose Israel’s actions do so from the point of view of justice and human rights, which are equally applicable to Jews. By definition, these people are not anti-Semites and include many prominent Jews amongst their number.

    And when and why did Hezbollah form? After Israel attacked and occupied Lebanon. Why? As a resistance movement, one which actually achieved its aims and has been under constant attack by, and threats of attack from, Israel ever since.

    Hezbollah did not from from anti-Semitic motivations – it was in response to the collective actions of an army of brutal occupiers.

    There is no case for any claim of equivalence between Israel, Palestinians, Hamas, Hezbollah etc. That’s another false narrative.

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  134. graham (2,215 comments) says:

    mikenmild at 7:07: Well, remember that once his eyes were opened to the truth of The Matrix, Neo was also able to believe that he was the sixth iteration of The One.

    So yes, I would say that people who believe in one conspiracy theory are psychologically predisposed to believe in others. I’m sorry, I mean they know what is really happening to this world and why and who is doing it.

    They know that all you have to do to avoid this, is open your minds.

    Free your mind … the truth is out there …

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  135. Zapper (926 comments) says:

    I assume you’ve read Posner’s book LJ? My guess is no given that you like to just cut people off if they disagree with you. No way would you read a book that overwhelmingly demolishes your world view.

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  136. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    Final note for TimG:

    There will be no ‘Final Note’ from Luc until there is a ‘Final Solution’.

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  137. Pete George (22,839 comments) says:

    This morning Eddie thought he finally had Key, accusing him of lying but this time having evidence from The Herald to back his case. There ensued some hopefule foaming.

    Fran O’Sullivan recently dashed their hopes: Eddie – the typo has been corrected – “met” becomes “meet”.

    One ‘e’ can make a big difference.

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  138. nasska (10,674 comments) says:

    Today Luc managed to have a thirty second wank which was a personal best.
    His previous record for wanks in a day was thirty one.

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  139. Puzzled in Ekatahuna (338 comments) says:

    Leaping Jimmy – Why can’t you see that Oswald always was a patsy setup specifically for the purpose of taking the blame specifically so he could be silenced days later? Why does that obvious fact make your tummy hurt so you scream “it’s not true” like a little schoolgirl, even today? Of are you just really, really, really thick and your mind is so tiny it simply can’t process the data?

    Go ahead then, and truly amaze us – without any fucking garbage about “you are undeservingly stupid or too lazy to find out yourselves” -
    who, or what organisation, do you believe to be responsible for Kennedy’s assassination?

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  140. Steve (North Shore) (4,499 comments) says:

    nasska@ 7.55
    Bit early for a joke, 5 more minutes.

    And yes the MSM are shocking

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  141. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    It’s now 20:23 by sheep time! :)

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  142. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    What did you scoff for dinner tonight Magpie?

    Fucken old chicken for me tonight! :)

    It died bravely though!!! :)

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  143. nasska (10,674 comments) says:

    Steve (North Shore)

    At the facility currently offering Luc hospitality the meds trolley is wheeled out at 7.55pm & the nurses put away the patients’ computers til the next day.

    I’d hate another twelve hours to go by before he could read of an acknowledgement of his incredible stamina.

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  144. nasska (10,674 comments) says:

    An Australian man buys several sheep, hoping to breed them for wool. After several weeks, he notices that none of the sheep are getting pregnant, and phones a vet for help. The vet tells him that he should try artificial insemination. The farmer doesn’t have the slightest idea what this means but, not wanting to display his ignorance, only asks the vet how he will know when the sheep are pregnant. The vet tells him that they will stop standing around and instead will lie down and wallow in grass when they are pregnant. The man hangs up and gives it some thought. He comes to the conclusion that artificial insemination means he has to impregnate the sheep himself. So, he loads the sheep into his Land Rover, drives them out into the bush, has sex with them all, brings them back, and goes to bed. Next morning, he wakes and looks out at the sheep. Seeing that they are all still standing around, he deduces that the first try didn’t take, and loads them in the Land Rover again. He drives them out to the bush, bangs each sheep twice for good measure, brings them back, and goes to bed exhausted. Next morning, he wakes to find the sheep still just standing around. Try again, he tells himself, and proceeds to load them up, and drive them out to the bush. He spends all day shagging the sheep and upon returning home, falls listlessly into bed. The next morning, he can’t even raise himself from the bed to look out of the window. He asks his wife to look, and tell him if the sheep are lying in the grass. “No,” she says, “they’re all in the Land Rover and one of them is beeping the horn.”

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  145. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    He obviously used the missionary position nasska.

    Sheep and I (and Jess) prefer the doggy!

    My flock is thriving! :)

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  146. Steve (North Shore) (4,499 comments) says:

    How come you never hear a ‘sheep joke’ from Luc?
    Just saying.
    Luc has no humour, just shit stirs

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  147. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Sheep are kosher Steve? :)

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  148. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Anyway it’s time I went Yvette is not here!!!

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  149. Leaping Jimmy (15,947 comments) says:

    who, or what organisation, do you believe to be responsible for Kennedy’s assassination?

    What a truly stupid question, PiE.

    I can tell you who did it, from the Zeebrugger film and from clips a minute beforehand calling off the bodyguards who had up till then been jogging directly beside the car. When one of the bodyguards is called off (by this boss), he throws out his hands in the “WTF” motion. http://hidhist.wordpress.com/assassination/jfk/john-f-kennedy-assassination-secret-service-stand-down/

    If you have a look at the Zebbrugger film, you can see who the final fatal frontal shot comes from the front, not the back. I don’t know who did it, but the best theory I have heard comes from “The men who killed Kennedy” which alleges it was a shooter on the overhead bridge, right in front and above of the limo. The point is PiA, just because you don’t actually know who actually did it and how, doesn’t mean you don’t know that what the authorities are telling you, isn’t bullshit. You really are stupid, if you think that, and many people do, simply because they cannot believe the govt would lie to them over something like this, which is what of course, per Goebells, the govt relies on. Der.

    BTW, how come the FBI confiscated all the films. The Zebrugger film is the only one which ‘escaped’ and that was only by accident. Most of the time, people with 3-digit IQs would ask themselves, how come the govt confiscated all the other evidence which might have showed what actually happened.

    But even knowing who fired that fatal shot that doesn’t tell you who was responsible for it.

    Although I can give you about 5 reasons as to why they may have wanted to do it.

    But that still doesn’t tell you why they did it or more importantly, why the MSM has failed to look seriously at it, over the entire 50 years since it happened.

    All these questions, are what opened minded people should be answering for themselves. Closed minded people just think, it can’t have been the govt and they can’t have covered it up so what possible innocent explanation is there for all of this peculiar shit, oh fuck it, Here’s Lucy is on again, let’s watch that instead and not think about it anymore. People who don’t get nothing happened are just nuts.

    That’s basically what you guys do, PiA.

    They might have wanted to do it because JFK had recently:
    said he would “scatter the CIA to the four winds”
    said he would withdraw the “[then] advisors” from Vietnam
    signed Executive Order 11110 stripping the Fed of its power to print money
    threatened to tell the American people about the UFO contacts the govt had been having since the 50′s
    Also, JFK was the only President in 200 years without bloodline linkages to European Aristocracy.

    Reasons 1-3 are the most likely.

    Johnson announced “a re-assessment of [JFK's] re-assessment a week or so after and the Vietnam war was on track. How valuable was that? A lot of people who understand the monetary supply think the 11110 reason has legs, but you need to understand how that works.

    Bottom line is, who knows without proof? No-one. Duh.

    This lack of proof does not mean the govt’s explanation is kosher and this is the fallacy that many fools cling to, in whatever hope they have.

    This is what I personally don’t get with people like you. WTF is wrong with your logical faculties that you find it completely and utterly inconceivable that even with the sorts of things at stake as I have outlined, that people still would not kill, for those reasons? Do you have any idea for example, what the power the print money is worth, to those who own the Federal Reserve?

    No?

    Look it up.

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  150. graham (2,215 comments) says:

    Damn … anyone who isn’t talking about sniffing women’s undies is talking about sheep shagging.

    You’re all filthy-minded individuals.

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  151. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    How are you Jimmy?

    I have not forgotten.

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  152. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Or Yvette graham!! :)

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  153. Fletch (6,025 comments) says:

    Demolishing a favorite TimG myth:

    The Camp David myth of a “generous” offer –

    http://electronicintifada.net/content/ungenerous-occupier-israels-camp-david-exposed/7270

    Luc, FFS, the “palestinians” do not have a “historic homeland”.

    Plus, the (then) Saudi Arabian Ambassador to the United States, Prince Bandar bin Sultan was there at the negotiations. He tells Elsa Walsh from the New Yorker exactly what happened. Apparently, Arafat was offered a state with its capital in Jerusalem, control over the Temple Mount, a return of approximately 95 percent of the West Bank and all of the Gaza Strip, and a $30 billion compensation package for the 1948 refugees.

    Bandar…

    urged Arafat to “take this deal.” Could you ever get “a better deal”? he asked. Would you rather negotiate with Sharon? As Arafat vacillated, Bandar issued a stern warning: “I hope you remember, sir, what I told you. If we lose this opportunity, it is going to be a crime.”9

    Download the entire article in PDF form from http://www.saudiembassy.net/files/PDF/03-ST-Bandar-0324-NewYorker.pdf

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  154. nasska (10,674 comments) says:

    Q: What’s the difference between a sheep and a Volvo?

    A: It’s marginally less embarrassing being seen getting out of the back of a sheep

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  155. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    The run on Green banks is well and truly under way:

    Karolos Papoulias, the Greek president, warned party leaders that their continued failure to agree was risking “fatal consequences”. Citing a secret government document, he said Greeks were already pulling £80 million a day out of the country’s banks. Almost €1 billion (£795 million) has been withdrawn since the last elections on May 6.

    Greece is simply ahead of the curve. Plenty of other countries are lining up for 2nd, 3rd and 4th place. Officers of government that borrow their way into office should be held accountable for the blood that will inevitably flow.

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  156. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Quite right nasska.

    All my sheep get to ride in proper Japper wheels.

    Only fucking losers buy Euro rubbish.

    Ask Phill Goof. :)

    http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/new-zealand-selects-nh90-helicopter-0466/

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  157. mikenmild (10,720 comments) says:

    So LJ, no one knows why JFK was killed?

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  158. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    um, that was of course GREEK banks.

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  159. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    What is the Drachma worth then KK?

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  160. Puzzled in Ekatahuna (338 comments) says:

    Jimmy – Interesting answer, apart from the unneeded abuse – although you knew from the framing of my question and your general comments, I expected that.
    Just wondering if you had anything beyond Playboy article October 1964 on the Warren Report

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  161. Scott Chris (5,880 comments) says:

    The run on Green banks is well and truly under way:

    What, you mean like this?

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  162. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Where have you been Scotty?

    We have all missed you! :)

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  163. Zapper (926 comments) says:

    Every single point made by LJ has been debunked. All lies or distortions (note: I saw the movie very young and was like LJ for a few months, then saw the real evidence, not made up or mis represented evidence).

    And who the fuck is Zebrugger?

    What sort of conspiracy allows a film of the event out into the public!

    At least we know now who this nutcase thinks it is. The CIA. Of course. FBI, ONI, Mafia involved too I assume? Oh, and Castro. And the Kremlin.

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  164. mikenmild (10,720 comments) says:

    I think he meant the Zapruder film?

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  165. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    scott chris 9:09 – My son was here… in 2009… running down that #$%^& steep hill. I searched the youtube vids but couldn’t see my lad. I saw him two weeks later and the bruises were still visible. The footage doesn’t do the gradient justice.

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  166. Leaping Jimmy (15,947 comments) says:

    Zapper or should I say Trevor, (from Cory and Trevor – TrailerPark Boys fame, how about addressing what I actually said vs what you hallucinate?

    e.g. Tell me where the 5 possible reasons I just gave you have been “debunked” by anyone tonight here.

    ???

    Der.

    For future reference, just saying it has been “debunked” doesn’t actually make it the case. I know that may be difficult to understand, but it’s true. You might want to bear that in mind. It could be embarassing at some point in your future if you make the same mistake.

    Johnboy @ 8:48, you bet. Maybe golf?

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  167. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    johnboy 9pm – a healthy ewe will probably buy you, oh, a few million dracma based on Greek producitivity. Notes best applied as wallpaper. I still have a few from a 1989 trip to Greece.

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  168. Ryan Sproull (7,030 comments) says:

    Zapper,

    Links to debunking of LJ’s points, please.

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  169. RightNow (6,659 comments) says:

    I find when talking to arts grads it’s always best to ask them to upsize your order.

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  170. TimG_Oz (917 comments) says:

    What Bollocks. An “Electronic Intifada” article on why we can’t have peace with Israel. Given that Arafat himself said the two issues were 1) the right of return of Palestinian refugees and their descendents; and 2) that Israel gives up any religious recognition of the Temple Mount. Even Palileaks showed those were the issues. Come on, I bet you can’t find an independent reference to those claims.

    Hamas claims lots of things, but their charter remains opposed to a state of Israel. In December they renounced terrorism, only to praise it the very next day. Hamas also say that Gaza is no longer occupied. I guess they can say what they like to media. The rockets keep flying regardless.

    Luc fits Natan Sharansky’s 3 D’s definition of Anitsemitism: Delegitimisation, Double Standard and Demonisation. It’s warming to know that the rest of the world sees through this crap, and is working to make peace. The BDS movement is not accepted politically except by the most extremists. In NZ, it might only be the Mana party (although its not a declared policy)

    There’s no point debating with Luc. He’s so close minded. He even calls peace protesters “Zionists” (i.e. mepeace). Usually I don’t bother.

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  171. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..the fact that the evidence that Oswald acted alone is overwhelming…”

    are you having a laff..?

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  172. Zapper (926 comments) says:

    Yeah I knew he meant Zapruder. He can’t even get the name right.

    Go get the book LJ, it’s all debunked. Then come back and apologise.

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  173. Leaping Jimmy (15,947 comments) says:

    Average IQ of countries.

    http://sq.4mg.com/NationIQ.htm

    Lots of controversy.

    Edit: Trevor, why don’t you actually open your mind and look at the evidence with an open not closed mind, then come back and apologise to us, for being such an arrogant little fuck?

    Let’s hope you learn some manners, sometime. Clearly, your mum hasn’t done a good job.

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  174. Zapper (926 comments) says:

    Ryan. Nutjob claimed:

    They might have wanted to do it because JFK had recently:
    said he would “scatter the CIA to the four winds”

    DEBUNKED. http://www.jfk-online.com/jfk100jfkcia.html

    said he would withdraw the “[then] advisors” from Vietnam

    DEBUNKED. http://www.jfk-online.com/jfk100vietnam.html

    signed Executive Order 11110 stripping the Fed of its power to print money
    threatened to tell the American people about the UFO contacts the govt had been having since the 50′s

    Umm. WTF. Maybe he needs to provide links to these claims and explain the relevance.

    Also, JFK was the only President in 200 years without bloodline linkages to European Aristocracy.

    Relevance?

    Bottom line is, who knows without proof? No-one. Duh.

    This is the money quote.

    I would suggest reading this whole site:

    http://www.jfk-online.com/jfk100menu.html

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  175. Zapper (926 comments) says:

    The irony of the nutjob telling someone to open their mind. Brilliant.

    EDIT: Nutjob, perhaps inadvertently, admits above to also believing the US govt is hiding the existence of UFO’s.

    I love it

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  176. adze (1,864 comments) says:

    LJ with New Zealand’s place on that list we should be steaming ahead with our knowledge economy.

    I wouldn’t be happy if I was French :)

    Lots of controversies with IQ generally, really. It’s funny though, whenever you have a self-report of IQ on internet forums no-one is ever under 130 :P

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  177. Griff (6,765 comments) says:

    A lot of the controversial around IQ is generated by the lefty “no one can be different its all meaninglessness labels we can all succeed we are all winners” meme
    I am not saying all with high IQ will be doctors lawyers and all with low IQ will be street sweepers
    It certainly gives you advantages for learning if you have a high IQ

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  178. Leaping Jimmy (15,947 comments) says:

    Zapper thinks in his ignorance if he can find one or several sites that claim to “debunk” then this closes the argument.

    He is of course an idiot.

    What historian looks at only one side of the argument?

    What logician?

    What intelligence analyst?

    What journalist?

    What truth seeker.

    Make your own mind up but FFS, don’t imagine Zapper is interested in both sides. For some reason he seems obsessed by only the one. Why? I have no idea. I don’t really care, quite frankly. I suspect he’s simply a small minded idiot. I doubt he’s a disinformation specialist. That’s giving him far too much credit. But he’s certainly fanatical and passionate. Perhaps he’s a dope fiend – won’t change his mind and can’t change the subject. Seems to be fanatical, anyhoo.

    Notice he skips over the Executive Order 11110, BTW. Many people think that’s the most likely reason JFK was killed. If you don’t know what that was, you should look it up. Lots of serious stuff behind that.

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  179. Zapper (926 comments) says:

    For some reason he seems obsessed by only the one. Why? I have no idea.

    Heh. No response then. No surprise. Also no evidence, but you did make a long post full of more irrelevance. Well done.

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  180. Zapper (926 comments) says:

    Perhaps he’s a dope fiend – won’t change his mind and can’t change the subject. Seems to be fanatical, anyhoo.

    This is just too funny.

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  181. Michael Mckee (1,091 comments) says:

    I like the British, they had it right at the start.
    They went for the two state solution, maybe they were prophetic?
    It is called Jordan.

    So all the Muslims who want to live in an Arab state can move out of Samaria and Judea and live in the Arab state of Jordan.
    Further the UN and others can stop funding the camps to encourage them to move there.
    The UN can disband it’s separate special refugee organisation just for “palestinians”

    See peace situation solved in the Mid East.
    now Murray McCully can stop his stupidity in the op eds and actually back something that would work.
    or it will show up the truth of Middle East peace..

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  182. Manolo (13,367 comments) says:

    The vain peacock he is: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/16/white-house-under-fire-for-adding-obama-policy-plugs-to-past-presidents-bios/

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  183. graham (2,215 comments) says:

    philu @ 10:11 – Having a laff?! Don’t make fun of such serious issues!

    Refer to my 3:00 pm post (before the men in black make DPF take it down, and it is mysteriously ‘lost’ for ever). I am sure that someone of your incredible intellect (with an MBA!) realises the truth behind the US Government conspiracy™. YOU will understand the significance of the pilot episode of “The Lone Gunmen” (and some people laughingly refer to it as “just a TV program”, poor deluded fools).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lone_Gunmen_%28TV_series%29

    The truth is out there, and only a few brave, incredibly insightful people understand it. That these people, such as you, choose to share your wisdom with us is something for which we all should give thanks most humbly.

    In another post you mentioned that “..everyone knows cheney was really running everything..”

    I bow in awe of your insight. Truly, you see things that other people do not. Do these other meer minions realise, for example, that Dick Cheney’s wife, Lynne Cheney, is a descendant of Mormon pioneers?

    Need either of us say any more? I think not.

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