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Did anyone notice how TV3 news tried to vilify Key for daring to speak up about media being adversarial? The saddest part was that in this whole story the media presents itself in such a way, as to make us think that being adversarial to government is what it is there for. Stupid old me thought the media was there to report the facts and the viewer makes up his own mind without partisan comments from presenters and authors.
First time I saw fear in Key’s eyes in a long time.
* Spending on hotel bills and laundry by Ministers and staff while travelling overseas on official business is considered worthy of a lead “story”
* Another Dotcom lead fantasy by Fisher – Banks is alledged to have given assurances of suppoirt to Dotcom via the idiot’s “Head of Security”. Isn’t it amazing how Dottie’s emails keep finding their way to Fisher?
The amounts of money quoted in the article about Ministerial expenses are laughable. Only backwater lotto buying rolly smoking hicks would find this newsworthy. Fucking $400 for ministerial laundry and drycleaning when staying overseas, big fucking woop! Stop the press, those rich pricks are loading off the taxpayer. The editor who thiks this is news should be take out teh back of teh office and stoned to death next to the trash compactor.
1. Melbourne’s “fat tax” on fast food outlets: NZ attempts to enter this area would be yet another example of Local Bodies stricking their noses into matters beyond their brief (Well, beyond what the present central Goverment believes is appropriate.) Stick to roads, rubbish, sewage and water!
2. Will the NZ Government purchase surplus (ex Iraq/Afghanistan) US surveillance drones (which are now being sold and used by US police, to patrol our economic zone? Now that the Navy is mothballing some patrol boats it would be a cost effective option, would it not? Reports from the US state that the 2nd hand drones are cheaper to purchase and operate than helicopters – and provide “better data”.
On Feb. 22, 1924 Calvin Coolidge became the first president to make a public radio address to the American people. President Coolidge later helped create the Federal Radio Commission, which has now evolved to become the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). President Obama became the first president to hold virtual gatherings and town halls using Twitter, Facebook, Google+, LinkedIn, etc.
And so forth for virtually every President. I don’t think I can even call this normal narcissism. What is it? Losing the plot? Staff incompetence? Echo chamber syndrome? A campaign with the wheels falling off?
Does no one in the Obama administration have any sense of how hideously funny and insane this looks from the outside? It looks like one of Caligula episodes from I, Claudius. Bill Clinton, watching this, must be curled up in the fetal position.
It’s always sad when “The People” are the last ones to figure it out: Has The Greek Bank Run Started?, complete with photos of lines at ATM’s, although that could just be a busy area or some other false photo-tagging in twitter. But the thing is that it could (and actually should) be true when one considers how much money has been extracted by Greek citizens via internet transfers to foreign accounts. That is documented and it has been going on for a year – and it appears to be speeding up:
“Anxious Greeks have withdrawn as much as 700 million euros ($893 million) from the nation’s banks since the inconclusive May 6 election, President Karolos Papoulias told party leaders yesterday, according to a transcript of the meeting posted on the presidency’s website today.
Overall Greek bank deposits are at something like 60% of 2008 levels the last time I looked. That’s why those ATM photos could be real, it would be amazing if people were not pulling cash, they’d represent the last-to-know crowd. Sad.
immigant says: “Fucking $400 for ministerial laundry and drycleaning when staying overseas, big fucking woop! ”
Only a complete moron (or someone who has never travelled on business) would think that laundry and dry cleaning costs totalling $400, would be anything but reasonable.
But if your usual ‘dress sense’ is to look like a back country hillbilly and to smell like something the cat dragged in, then I suppose it could be considered worthy of column centimetres…. especially in the NZ Hoorald.
News of the World had a circulation of 2,812,000 per publication day.
Silly little Harold has 180,000 and dropping so why worry.
It and the SST will be out of business soon enough.
Printed paper is out other than for toilet use.
In the Northern Hemisphere, it’s the anniversary of Palestinians’ Nakba Day, I thought it timely to post the full content of an email I received from the Institute of Palestine Studies: http://www.palestine-studies.org/. It is a potted history, from the Palestinian viewpoint, of the creation of the state of Israel and the dis-creation of what should have been the state of Palestine.
I don’t usually post long extracts, but in view of the long list of lies promulgated by the racist (mainly Christian) Zionists who infest this and other blogs, overwhelming truth with Israeli propaganda, it’s important for truth to be made readily accessible.
Tuesday, 15 May 2012, is the 64th Anniversary of Palestinian Nakba Day. This date commemorates the end, on 15 May 1948, of the so-called “Mandate” over Palestine “granted” to Britain by the League of Nations (the UN’s predecessor) following the end of World War I
To commemorate Nakba Day, IPS released an eBook of Nur Masalha’s classic work on the 20th anniversary of its publication this month.
This eBook is only
$5.99 via Amazon
The Mandate system, a form of imposed international trusteeship, was devised by the victorious powers, chiefly Britain and France, to give a veneer of legality to their post-war military occupation and rule over the former Middle Eastern Arab provinces of the defeated Ottoman Empire. Thus, while Britain obtained mandates over Iraq, Palestine, and Trans-Jordan, France obtained mandates over Syria and Lebanon. The main purpose of Britain’s mandate over Palestine was to give effect to a unilateral promise made by its government in 1917 (the Balfour Declaration, after the then British foreign secretary) to the World Zionist Organization (WZO) to establish “a Jewish National Home” in Palestine.
At the time of the Balfour Declaration, about 90 percent of the population of Palestine was Arab and about 10 percent Jewish. Needless to say the Palestine Arabs were never consulted about either the Balfour Declaration or the British mandate over their country.
Advancing from British-occupied Egypt, British forces had wrested Jerusalem from the Ottomans in December 1917. The period 1920-1948 saw the relentless growth of the Jewish National Home through massive Jewish immigration from Eastern and Central Europe under Britain’s imperial protection, despite increasingly desperate Palestinian protests and resistance.
Already by the mid-1940s the Zionist leadership, headed by the redoubtable David Ben-Gurion and drawing upon the support of the American Jewish community, felt strong enough to want Britain out of the way. With the Yishuv (1) highly militarized, it was confident that it could overcome any Arab opposition to turning the Jewish National Home into the Jewish state, which had been the WZO’s objective ever since the first Zionist Congress in 1897. Caught between the two contending parties in a conflict of its own making, Britain finally decided to turn “the problem” over to the UN, successor to the League of Nations.
In November 1947, thanks to massive US pressure on the UN member states, (1948 was an American Presidential election year), the UNGA recommended the partition of Palestine into a Jewish and an Arab state, with a special international regime (corpus separatum) for Jerusalem and its hinterland.
The UN partition, presented as a compromise between the two communities was anything but. It gave the Jewish population, which by then had artificially grown into about 30 percent of the population, over half (55 percent) of Palestine where Jews owned less than 8 percent of the land. It condemned hundreds of thousands of Palestinians within the UN-drawn boundaries to live in separation from their compatriots as a minority in the Jewish state-to-be.
The Jews were overjoyed, but the Palestinians were outraged at this dismemberment of their country and fragmentation of their society – a prolonged nightmare realized. Artfully the Zionist leaders represented their “acceptance” of partition as evidence of their readiness to “compromise” and to comply with the will of the international community.
Well before November 1947, David Ben-Gurion had already envisaged partition (i.e. a Jewish state in a part of Palestine) not only as an opportunity to “transfer” (i.e. expel) the Palestinians from the state to make way for Jewish immigrants from overseas, but also as a bridgehead to expand the state beyond its borders with the help of these immigrants (2). To achieve his geostrategic objectives, he had devoted the decade before November 1947 to building the military might of the Yishuv via the Haganah (and its striking force the Palmach) as well as to detailed military planning. The November 1947 UNGA partition resolution was the ultimate green-light for Ben-Gurion to go into action.
Ben-Gurion’s master plan for the military takeover of Palestine and the transfer of Palestinians in the wake of the 1947 UNGA’s resolution was known as “Plan Dalet” (3). British withdrawal from Palestine began soon after the resolution was passed. The vacuum created by this withdrawal was quickly filled by the Haganah, which carefully avoided clashing with the departing British. In early April 1948, Plan Dalet was put into operation. Within six weeks, such were the Zionist victories that Israeli statehood could be declared the day the Mandate officially ended, on 15 May 1948 – symbolically chosen by the Palestinians as Nakba Day.
By that time the Plan’s devastating impact on the civilian Palestinian population (hundreds of thousands had already abandoned their homes) was well in evidence. Indeed, but for this vast Palestinian exodus into the neighboring Arab countries generated by Plan Dalet (and the atrocities committed by the “dissident” terrorist gangs, Irgun and Stern), it is doubtful that the collective intervention on 15 May of the regular forces of the Arab League member states would have taken place following the departure of the British. But already this intervention was too little and too late.
As for nascent Israel’s “Davidian” status vis-a vis the Goliath of the “invading” Arab states, Ben Gurion provides eloquent testimony on it in his War Diary. Thus, on 24 May 1948, less than ten days after the Arab armies had entered those parts of Palestine allocated to the Arab state under the partition plan to preempt the advancing Jewish forces, David Ben-Gurion wrote (4):
Maklef [Carmeli brigade] should receive reinforcements. His job is to occupy South Lebanon after bombing Tyre, Sidon and Beirut from the air. We will also shell Beirut from the sea. Yigal [Alon] should hit Syria [Syrian army] at [Mishmar Haemek] from the East and the North. Our airforce must bomb and destroy Amman. The weak link in the Arab coalition is Lebanon because Muslim authority there is artificial, and easy to undermine. We must establish a Christian state with the Litani River as its southern border (5). We will form an alliance with it.
Once we destroy the power of the Arab Legion [the army of Trans-Jordan] we will destroy Tran-Jordan and Syria will then fall. If Egypt dares to continue fighting, we will bomb Port Said, Alexandria and Cairo. This is how we shall end this war and wind up our ancestors’ accounts with Egypt, Ashur and Aram….
Institute for Palestine Studies
(1) The Hebrew name of the Jewish community in Palestine during the British Mandate
(2) See David Ben-Gurion’s letter to his son Amos, 5 October 1937. [PDF]
(3) See Walid Khalidi “Plan Dalet Revisited” Journal of Palestine Studies Vol XIII, No. 1, #69 Autumn 1988 pp. 3-70.
(4) David Ben-Gurion Yoman Hamilhimah Malhimet Hatzm’ut 1947-1949 (War Diary; War of Independence 1947-1949), eds. Gershon Rivlin, Dr. Ilhanan Oren (Propagation of DBG’s Teachings’ Society, Ministry of Defence Press, Tel Aviv, 1984), p. 454 ff.
(5) This incorporates into Israel the predominantly Shiite region of South Lebanon.
SEE OUR SPECIAL NAKBA RESOURCES PAGE
Our Nakba webpage features articles from past issues of our flagship Journal of Palestine Studies, and the maps and carefully constructed chronologies of events from our best-selling books Before Their Diaspora: A Photographic History of the Palestinians 1876–1948 and All That Remains: The Palestinian Villages Occupied and Depopulated by Israel in 1948.
I urge casual readers of this blog to familiarise themselves with the facts and support the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) campaign to bring a peaceful end the century-long oppression and dispossession of the indigenous people of Palestine.
I make the point that the two state solution is endorsed overwhelmingly by the countries of the world, excluding one, Israel, and is even official US policy, but one which is served in breach. The advantage of the breaching of this policy is that it enables Israel to build and expand yet more settlements, forcing Palestinians into under-resourced bantustans, with which those who remember the apartheid regime of South Africa will be familiar.
On the media … I see Rebekah Brooks is ‘baffled’ by the charges being laid against her, and that she ‘cannot express my anger enough that those closest to me have been dragged into this unfairly.’
The media, over the last few years, have in my opinion being pushing the boundaries further and further, caring not a jot whether what they do is morally justified, and using the tiredest cliches in the book to justify what they print and broadcast – “the public’s right to know” and “freedom of the press”.
In my opinion the media is long overdue for being taken to task, and made to think about some of the garbage they produce and the effect it has on the people in question. High time the spotlight and cameras and questions were directed at them for a change.
Hekia Parata on RNZ this morning spouting lies, damned lies and statistics.
We are going to lift our standards (already in the top two or three OECD nations) by cutting teaching staff. She says research shows it is the quality of the teaching that counts, not class sizes, yet we know that the research the government is fond of quoting says no such thing.
Hattie rates teacher quality higher than class sizes (as regards classroom influence) but says increasing class sizes is always negative for outcomes and is bad policy.
The dissembling by Parata and the government is immense, from misrepresenting the number of kids who leave school without NCEA 2 (1 in 16, not 1 in 20) to saying a fivefold increase in teaching staff has not resulted in a fivefold increase in results. The latter is just stupid. At a time when developed countries are pouring more and more resources into education, this country has held its own, or improved, even though it is definitely the poor cousin when compared to similar performing countries.
Wait for DPF to post soon, chortling with delight as his pet lies are now in the headlines.
“I don’t usually post long extracts….. in view of the long list of lies promulgated by the racist (mainly Christian) Zionists who infest this and other blogs……….it’s important for truth to be made readily accessible.”
Davinci: the thing that has me chortling is the idiot has riled up my friend Wahine…normally the most generous and placid of women….the stupid fellow doesnt realise what he is dealing with….her employer has an acronym he is very familiar with…the source of “the money” for the past 25! And she’s not right happy where her taxes are going!
Join the …..Phool….
Apparently the process takes some time, but once they get going….and the great thing is, his every post on here is proof of his voluntary idleness on the taxpayer’s ticket…
immigant: Excellent! Ah….Singapore? No, the “parents” would be imprisoned for that, as well as having the baby taken from them…Japan? No, they take a very dim view of armed robbery there…Australia? A possibility…
lmao Phil im starting to think i got under your skin
As for Romney – they cut some dudes hair in high school and the dude turned out to be gay. so in lefty world 50 years later romney is a gay basher. society has changed in 50 years but not romney lol desperate.
thats like saying “phil used to service men for drug money so he probably still does”.. although the old adage “once a junkie, always a junkie” always holds true. Along with “never trust a junkie”
Can we please not have another philu day, it’s clear that 1) no matter how many times you demand that he does, he’ll not look for a job, in fact he’s probably just hanging out for the pension; 2) every interaction with him just feeds his raison d’être on this blog.
I wonder if “The News of the World” was once, in the mists of time, a proper newspaper? does anyone know?
According to wiki (yeah, I know, but) the NoTW was “the cheapest newspaper of its time” and “quickly established itself as a purveyor of titillation, shock and criminal news” after it foundation in1843.
Looks like it had a good claim on being the first tabloid.
Adze: I feel your pain, really I do… And I know I am going to regret saying this…I just know it…. but for some reason the drug addled loser just pushes buttons (vision of the phool falling off his stool in delight)…as I have said before, it’s like that mossie bite that you just KNOW you shouldnt itch….but you do…
dime: Asking him questions about the “nipper” (who I am sure just loves being described thus, at age 16) gets him going a treat..Questions like “ever shown the nipper how to prepare a speedball?” or “When did you first give the nipper a ‘shotgun’ of skunk?” and “How come the nipper never comes on here to
James S: Thanks for that re the NOTW…the interweb is truly a marvellous thing…
The older sister of Mitt Romney’s former high school classmate said she has no knowledge of any bullying incident involving her brother and the GOP presidential candidate. [...]
“The family of John Lauber is releasing a statement saying the portrayal of John is factually incorrect and we are aggrieved that he would be used to further a political agenda. There will be no more comments from the family,” she said. “If he were still alive today, he would be furious [about the story],” she said with tears in her eyes.
Also, the Washington Post has had to make a correction.
The original Washington Post piece stated the following:
“I always enjoyed his pranks,” said Stu White, a popular friend of Romney’s who went on to a career as a public school teacher and has long been bothered by the Lauber incident. [emphasis added]
Yet in an interview with ABC News today, White disowned that characterization:
While the Post reports White as having “long been bothered” by the haircutting incident,” he told ABC News he was not present for the prank, in which Romney is said to have forcefully cut a student’s long hair and was not aware of it until this year when he was contacted by the Washington Post.
Originally the WP just changed the wording to their story, but didn’t inform the readers that they had changed the story. They now have.
Here’s what one of Romney’s friends, Gregg Dearth says about him in an article from Auto Mag –
“With his powerful father, ‘He could have been an arrogant, stuck-up, snotty little brat,’ says Dearth. ‘But he was a great guy — an all-American kid with a great sense of humor, very self-effacing.’ And although it’s been documented that Romney played a teenage prank or two — including once impersonating a police officer in order to scare some female friends — Dearth remembers Mitt as the most straitlaced kid in the neighborhood. ‘Those of us who tested the boundaries in high school still marvel at the self-discipline he displayed,’ Dearth continues. ‘With a father who was then governor, Mitt knew where the line was and never crossed it. I think it was a sign of his deep respect for his dad and the way he was brought up. I often tell people he has more integrity than anyone I know. And I was raised a Unitarian.’”
Tom Hunter, yes I read about that Presidential bio thing this morning. Unbelievable!
Also an author from Canada Free Press reckons (as far-fetched as it seems) that Obama could intentionally start a race war that leads to riots where a “flase flag event” will be created leading to Obama declaring martial law and having to apologize for the election having to be put off.
Canada Free Press contributor Doug Hagmann has reported that a longtime friend and Department of Homeland Security official revealed to him “…the uppermost echelon of the DHS is actively preparing for massive social unrest inside the United States,” and not only “…expecting and preparing for it, they are actually facilitating it.”
According to Hagmann’s DHS source, the Obama Regime—which initiates Department agenda and dominates its thinking—will proceed by implementing “economic chaos, chaos through racial division and chaos through class division, all joined by Barack Hussein Obama and his stable of unelected czars.”
For three years, the Administration has worked to destroy the private sector and destabilize the value of the dollar. It has injected race and class into every argument, setting the stage for “summer riots” organized by Regime operatives. And when economic calamity and civil unrest are at their zenith, “…a false flag event against Obama or his family, something that will outrage ‘black America’ ” will be crafted, its purpose, to “…evoke the ugliest of reactions and create racial chaos in this country that will make the Watts riots, 1968 and the Rodney King riots pale in comparison.”
At this juncture, the federal government will be “forced” to take a hand for the well-being of the nation and the American public, of course. Martial law will be declared by an appropriately “reluctant” Barack Obama, who will offer a television persona clearly dis-inclined to the exercise of such staggering authority. Naturally, he will promise the duration of his absolute power to be brief and its use, strictly and fairly measured.
The 2012 election will–for the purposes of fairness and equity—be indefinitely postponed.
Although claims in the Canada Free Press article sound very much like the ravings of “tin foil hat”-wearing conspiracy theorists, it should be remembered who the enemy is, the extraordinary sweep and authority they have already attained, and the arrogance and lust for power that drives them.
“..Also an author from Canada Free Press reckons (as far-fetched as it seems) that Obama could intentionally start a race war that leads to riots where he will declare martial law and apologize for the election having to be put off…”
this is the second time you have tried to peddle this horse-shit…eh..?
..it is as deluded/laughable this time as it was last time..
… created leading to Obama declaring martial law and having to apologize for the election having to be put off.
Although claims in the Canada Free Press article sound very much like the ravings of “tin foil hat”-wearing conspiracy theorists…
They are Fletch. In fact they’re exactly the same dingbat conspiracy theories that were floating around numerous Lefty blogsites about Bush cancelling the 2008 elections.
For a start, you’d have to think that the Obama administration was competent enough to pull it off, but they’re more like the “Joker” in The Dark Knight when he said: Do I look like a guy with a plan?.
“A planned shale gas drilling project in New York state has drawn global attention for its aim to make use of a waterless form of hydraulic fracking – a new technique designed to reduce the pollution associated with controversial natural gas drilling processes.
Propane replaces water and chemicals
According to an industry report, the project is focused on using a technology that pumps a thick gel made from propane into the ground as opposed to using traditional methods of hydraulic fracking that make use of a mixture of water, sand, and chemicals to extract natural gas reserves from deep shale formations. Unlike traditional technologies, the gel from the new liquefied propane gas (LPG) fracking method reverts to vapor while still underground, and as a result returns to the surface in a recoverable form”
Well said David Garrett (11.28am), although the drug references might be stretching the bounds of propriety just a little.
Phil, as most good parents would, gets a bit upset when his son is brought into the debate. The irony though is that Phil himself has brought his son into the debate, by stating as he has that he cannot work because he is not prepared for his som to be in any kind of childcare either after school or in the school holidays. This is in spite of the fact that his son is now more than 14 years old, and can legally be left at home on his own.
Phil may have his foibles, but he is not uncapable of working. After all, he has a Masters degree, and you generally don’t get one of those off the back of a Weetbix packet. With modern technologies, and with his obvious ability to search the internet, there’s no reason why he couldn’t work from home either.
He’s definitely picked the wrong person in Northland Wahine to get into a scrap with. Your updates on the skirmish will be looked forward to with a degree of anticipation.
You never know Fletch, Obama might incite all the niggers to rise up so that he can declare martial law and postpone the elections.
No doubt he has a couple of commie ex-KGB generals helping him along with all this. I bet the aliens from Area 51 are involved somehow also.
(Jesus H. Christ on a bike, how can you read websites like that and keep a straight face? “The Western Center for Journalism – informing and equipping Americans who love freedom”… every headline in the sidebar is “Obama this…” “Obama that…” “When will Obama…” “What if Obama…” “Obama’s lust for power…” M’Baiter has probably got that web page bookmarked under “fave porn fapping sites”)
RRM, I don’t actually take notice of what site it is. I usually wake up and check out Zite on my iPod Touch and it brings news stuff up at random. Not like I went looking for it, and I have no idea what else is on the site.
Interesting how Luc Hansen is so forward in supporting the genocidal, anti-semitic policies of the Arab terrorists, yet so dismissive of people who have truly suffered at the hands of anti-semites through the centuries. One day perhaps he will get over his racism and get on with living.
At least, we can hope that he will.
Luc, this is the 21st century. Nobody outside of the Middle East believes the Protocols to be true any more.
Conservative wing nut USA
Why the fascination held for the presidential elections in the states I Know for a fact that the yanks elect the leaders they deserve. From the dribbling geriatric d grade actor to the clown who saved the world by inciting a couple of pointless wars that no one will ever win. They all end up being nothing but caricatures for the rest of the world to laugh at. OH bummer has proven to be one of the sanest and least corrupt USA presidents in living memory
And that is not an endorsement of the man and his politics just a reflection of the standards set by the former presidents of the USA
Zapper: Very good….and the amazing thing is he says both (or all three rather) without any appreciation at all of the utter irony of it all…a “discerning conspiracy theorist” perhaps? “Selectively insane” ?
Why the fascination held for the presidential elections in the states I Know for a fact that the yanks elect the leaders they deserve.
Griff, because the president of the USA is practically the most powerful leader in the free world.
It matters; trust me. The way Obama has governed has stuffed up his country and could affect the rest of the world. These things don’t happen in isolation. If you think little old New Zealand is safe here down under, you’re mistaken.
If America falls, “There won’t be a Shire, Pippin”
Why the fascination held for the presidential elections in the states …
Well if you’re talking about people who have no idea about the huge role played by the Senate and House in the US government, people who think President=Emperor/God King, then the implied irritation behind the question would make sense. In other words, it’s not that important because that’s not the nature of the beast.
But this is a political blog, so naturally enough people are interested (not interested enough in my opinion) in the leadership of the world’s only hyperpower, even as those limitations on it are understood.
But aside from the aspect of political junkies, the question should be turned around: how could anybody think that the government of the world’s most powerful economy, most powerful military, and the generator of almost every significant social trend of the last 50 years at least, was not a worthy object of fascination?
Yes FES it’s very interesting how the left and anti semites are so quick to publicise “nutbar” day,and to tie it in to their other pet hates such as imperialism,colonialism,anti apartheid ,anti Americanism etc.
and yet today a new disaster is unfolding at the hands of a genocidal Muslim wanted for war crimes. And this goes largely unremarked by the MSM and ignored by the left. Black Christian victims of black/arab Muslims…. ho hum ,move along nothing to see here.
What is it about the religion of peace that they can’t seem to get along with anyone unless they are undisputed master?
Turkey, genocide and ethnic cleansing
India…..no no we must have a ‘pure” country, Pakistan. Created in mayhem , murder and mass migration.And still oppressing it’s minorities.
Israel ,attacked by all it’s neighbours and still threatened with extinction.
Ethnic cleansing of Jews from every Muslim middle eastern country
Thailand,seccesion in the south
Phillipines terror in the south
Cypress,illegally occupied by a state that the EU elites want to admit
Egypt,oppression of the Copts.
So instead of nutbar day perhaps we should have a day of reflection on what Mohammed and his message has brought the world?
Ah yes, the usual suspects having a go at me and throwing around false narratives, red herrings, deflections and, of course, personal abuse.
That’s why I recommend readers to do their own research (you could start with the reading list on my blog on the issue – the authors are mainly Israelis).
Kowtow displays his ignorance of history.
The Holocaust was not why Israel was created. The Zionist project was initiated in the late 18th century. The Balfour declaration was issued in 1926. Hitler did not assume power until 1933. The Holocaust, and the complicity of the Allies in the genocide until the end of WWII, certainly added emphasis to the movement to dispossess Palestinians of their land.
F E Smith is another example of muddled thinking on display.
The original anti-Semitics were the Europeans, through pogroms and genocide, over centuries. it is simply a lie to suggest that Arabs were in any way involved in this European behaviour. There has never been centuries of Arab repression of Jews that would compare with the actions of Europeans upon their own. It was the Ottoman Empire who gave haven to Jews when they were forced from Spain. And their status under the Ottomans had both advantages and disadvantages, and was little different to the treatment meted out to other non-Muslim ethnicities.
F E Smith and Kowtow elevate the ambitions of European Jewry as regards Palestine as more important that the actual inhabitants of that land, who were always and are presently denied the right of self-determination, which was the general international decolonisation policy subsequent to WWII.
There’s the true racism on display here.
By the way, F E Smith, the protocols were yet another European slur on the fellow citizens, circa 1800. Another red herring.
Of course, if the fighters had been close enough to shoot down the planes, conspiracy theorists could have used that to create a crazy conspiracy theory. Given the extreme sensitivity of the information and the actual act of shooting down a passenger jet, they could have come up with a lot more too. Instead, an event that didn’t happen proves the conspiracy…
It must be great being insane, any set of facts can be made to look sinister.
Yes. And the screams from the Democrats made it seem even worse as they wrung their hands about $400 billion deficits, not to mention the “jobless recovery” of 2002/3 with unemployment at around 5-6% in that time.
I’m not sure what exactly was Republican about him.
Domestically, he’s done almost the same things as Bush, but bigger and faster, with correspondingly worse results. Just on debt alone, in what universe is $5 trillion borrowed and thrown on the funeral pyre over four years, compared to $4 trillion over eight years, not considered “worse”.
Kowtow, you obviously don’t understand the meaning of deflection, or perhaps you do. You certainly understand how to present a false narrative.
Israel has only been attacked once, in 1972. The Arab armies, mainly irregulars, entered in 1948 to protect Palestinians who had already been driven out of much of the land allocated them by the UN. Beginning in late 1947, the Jews of Palestine attacked and ethnically cleansed large areas of Palestine that had been allocated to the Arab population. The remaining conflicts since that time have all been initiated by Israel. You may consider each to be justified, but that’s not the point in this correction to your narrative.
Answer me the question, why should the Jews not have their own homeland? Why not? Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that’s too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today . . .
Jordan is actually ‘Palestine’, but they won’t take in the “Palestinians”
Interesting that Luc uses the term “false narratives” and states that Israel is the only country rejecting the 2 state solution.
How many peace offerings have there been? In 2000, Arafat was offered everything and still rejected it.
How long has Mahmoud Abbas been rejecting to even talk to Israel? 3 years! When it was leaked that the Palestinians were actually prepared to negotiate to allow peace with Israel, look at the uproar (Palileaks).
Of course Hamas rejects the two state solution entirely. Luc does too .. he often talks about that there will be just a single country called Palestine.
Luc mentions a two state solution and the BDS movement. BDS are very clear that they want the two state solution to be “a Palestine next to a Palestine”.
In the meantime, we have bipartisan support (left and right, including the Greens!) in Australia and New Zealand. Political and trade groups are busy visiting Israel on Friendship and Trade Missions:
You remember when you smoked weed (100 years ago of course) you found one particular phrase or word fascinating, and keep repeating it, and dissolving into gales of helpless totally illogical laughter?
This may explain why Phool repeats endlessly “so oswald acted alone?” Ha HA HAA HA ha..”Oswald acted alone?” HA HA HA ha hah hah hah “Acted alone?” HA HA HAH HAH HAH haaaaah…..
[repeat above ad nauseum until it wears off...although I understand for chronic users like him it never "wears off"..stoned becomes the new normal state]
Tonight, Wednesday 16 May 2012, at Auckland University Library basement, during my presentation, as part of ACTIVIST WEEK, from 6 – 7pm, I will be giving fellow Public Watchdog Vince Siemer, an opportunity to explain why, for the FOURTH time, he is facing imprisonment although he has not broken any law.
Vince Siemer breached an unlawful order of Judge Winkelmann, that not only denied the Urewera defendants the right to trial by jury, but suppressed the public’s right to know this.
Under NZ law – there is no lawful basis for a Judge to suppress a judgment or the reasons for it.
As a ‘whistle-blower’ exposing NZ judicial corruption, Vince Siemer has been persecuted in a way that defies belief – especially in a country ‘perceived’ to be the ‘least corrupt in the world’.
http://www.kiwisfirst.co.nz – Vince Siemer’s website, is, in my opinion – the leading website exposing the lack of judicial transparency and accountability and judicial corruption based upon ‘conflicts of interest’.
Come and hear for yourself this DISGRACEFUL story, which confirms why NZ URGENTLY needs an enforceable Code of Conduct for NZ Judges.
A petition will be available for people to sign on this matter.
On what authority do you say that the Winklemann decision was unlawful? It has been appealed. The appellate courts have ruled it to have been lawful. Are you a higher authority? Who appointed you?
You complain that the decision overrode the rights of the defendants. You ignore the fact that the defendants supported the suppression order and wanted it to continue. Are not you being a wee bit selective?
The Supreme Court decision makes it quite clear that your mate deliberately and defiantly defied a court decision with which he did not agree. His actions were predicated on the self perception that he was a higher authority and had the right to ignore judicial decisions with which he did not agree.
It hasn’t been a good month for him, judicially speaking, has it?
Now tell me, Penny, don’t you believe in the rule of law?
I see the Chinese government has ordered it’s airlines not to supply the EU with records that would allow carbon taxes to be levied on said airlines. Well done China, these European bullshit artists need to be put in their place. It’s high time these parasites realised the world is sick of their cons, they reap what they sow.
@ KevinH: You are correct, and do you know who shot it down?
Lee Harvey Oswald.
Y’see, Oswald didn’t die in 1963. It was a vast conspiracy ™, and Jack Ruby was framed. Oh yes, and it will all come out and be proved in the fullness of time. Oswald was secretly set free by the US Government, who were even at this early stage starting to lay plans for the eventual destruction of the World Trade Centre (I know, it wasn’t opened until 10 years later, but the US Government is brilliant at forward planning, believe me).
Oswald was set free by the US Government who planned to use his skills in the vast conspiracy that was even then being planned. But, little could they know that Oswald would betray them …
Folks, there is so much more that I could tell you, but I am afraid that if I say much more, Echelon will be triggered and the men in black will find me. All I will say now is … wait for the film shortly to be released, entitled “Loose Cannon”.
Oh … and you know how philu said “..everyone knows cheney was really running everything..”
A clever man, that philu. He sees things that other people do not. Do you realise, for example, that Dick Cheney’s wife, Lynne Cheney, is a descendant of Mormon pioneers? And that as the Secretary of Defense from 1989 to 1993, Cheney deemed it appropriate to cut the budget and downsize the military?
Final comment: even though phil is often wrong, even fools are right sometimes. He’s more right on some of the things discussed above than many of you. Many of you don’t seem to have the first clue about what is really happening to this world and why and who is doing it. The sad thing is, you and your kids are the ones who’ll suffer. And all you have to do to avoid this, is open your minds. I mean FFS, as an example: who doesn’t understand the real truth about who Oswald was, today, fifty years after the fact. What is wrong with your head, that you apparently cannot assimilate that simple information from the mountain of data that is freely available as to what really happened to JFK that day? Why can’t you see that Oswald always was a patsy setup specifically for the purpose of taking the blame specifically so he could be silenced days later? Why does that obvious fact make your tummy hurt so you scream “it’s not true” like a little schoolgirl, even today? Of are you just really, really, really thick and your mind is so tiny it simply can’t process the data? Ah, who cares. Good luck in the upcoming multiple crises which are about to befall all of us one after the other over the next few years. I’d tell you what’s coming up, but you wouldn’t believe it, so why bother.
Of course he did, and he was amazing. He was so amazing none of the FBI sharp-shooters were able to replicate his feat of accuracy and number of shots fired in the time he would have had to have done it in order to achieve what he did, according to the Warren Report, during the replication tests.
BUT THAT DOESN’T MATTER.
What matters is. If he didn’t do it acting alone, then thousands of people would have had to have been involved and surely shirley, one of them would have talked by now, therefore he must have done it, by himself, and anyone who says different is a commie.
More bullshit from Luc… this time: “Israel has only been attacked once, in 1972…”
What about the (almost) daily rocket attacks launched by the Hamas terrorists across the border into the sovereign state of Israel? Do you only forget about that because of your support of the terrorists?
mikenmild, you are of course correct. Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, and Mulder confirming this just underscores the fact.
But the US Government conspiracy™ also happened. Believe me when I say that what you see in “Loose Cannon”™ will change the way you think about this forever. For the past forty years, your eyes have been blinded to the UGC™ (US Government conspiracy™).
And talking of the X-Files: May I draw your attention to that other excellent piece of investigative journalism, The Lone Gunmen. You will, of course, be familiar with the pilot episode, which depicted a plane being flown into the New York World Trade Center, and was originally aired six months before 9/11.
The truth is out there, folks. The warning was given, but we were too naive to realise it. Only a few brave, incredibly insightful people understand the truth. That they choose to share their wisdom with us is something for which we all should give thanks most humbly.
“Of course he did, and he was amazing. He was so amazing none of the FBI sharp-shooters were able to replicate his feat of accuracy and number of shots fired in the time he would have had to have done it in order to achieve what he did, according to the Warren Report, during the replication tests.”
Direct quote from a fictitious movie. You’re an idiot.
Nice sidestep. I think you will find the mention of attacks I reponded to referred unequivocally to conflict between Arab states and Israel. All state actors.
As regards Hamas, you should examine the history of the conflict. Hamas’ military wing was only set up during the First Intifada, after some twenty years of brutal occupation and continued dispossession by Israel. The al Qassam Brigades is a resistance movement, responding to the original aggression of Israel ie the occupation.
Palestine’s Jews, themselves, resorted to terrorism both to drive out Britain and to dispossess Palestinians from an early stage.
However, the fact that you had to resort to an appeal to the actions of a small, non-state entity shows the accuracy of my statement.
My opinion of your opinion re the JFK killing is that it is easy to fit patterns to actions in hindsight (conspiracy theory)and lose sight of the fact that the evidence that Oswald acted alone is overwhelming.
the evidence that Oswald acted alone is overwhelming
Luc if that’s your real opinion on JFK then my opinion of your perspicacity just went down a several notches.
Sorry. I don’t care about re-litigating what is already in the public domain but if anyone alive today has not yet assimilated those lessons from history in terms of what happened and what they mean, I have as much confidence in their analysis and insight of present-day events as I have in Simon Dallow’s.
Of course Hamas rejects the two state solution entirely. Luc does too .. he often talks about that there will be just a single country called Palestine.
1. Hamas has rescinded that [position, just as it has renounced terrorism as a tactic in the Palestinian struggle. You can search for Charlie Rose’s interview of Khaled Meshal in which the latter lays out his acceptance of a two state solution. In the meantime, Hamas has consistently asked for a long term truce with no predonditions (other than Israel stops attacking)
2. As regards myself, I support the two state solution as the only pragmatic pathway to settlement, but like all cases of colonialism where the indigenous people remain significant and extant, there is no full and final settlement until all injustices are redressed, in whatever form that takes. In my opinion, and in the absence of a final act of genocide by Israel, the final settlement will see the emergence of one country where power is shared through fully democratic elections.
And I repeat, the fixation on a relatively minor group in a population of around 5.5 million is deflection from the root causes.
The appeal to anti-Semitism is losing its aura, even in the US. Anti-semitism exists, but it does not serve to cover for Israel’s sins against Palestinians.
Reputable people who oppose Israel’s actions do so from the point of view of justice and human rights, which are equally applicable to Jews. By definition, these people are not anti-Semites and include many prominent Jews amongst their number.
And when and why did Hezbollah form? After Israel attacked and occupied Lebanon. Why? As a resistance movement, one which actually achieved its aims and has been under constant attack by, and threats of attack from, Israel ever since.
Hezbollah did not from from anti-Semitic motivations – it was in response to the collective actions of an army of brutal occupiers.
There is no case for any claim of equivalence between Israel, Palestinians, Hamas, Hezbollah etc. That’s another false narrative.
mikenmild at 7:07: Well, remember that once his eyes were opened to the truth of The Matrix, Neo was also able to believe that he was the sixth iteration of The One.
So yes, I would say that people who believe in one conspiracy theory are psychologically predisposed to believe in others. I’m sorry, I mean they know what is really happening to this world and why and who is doing it.
They know that all you have to do to avoid this, is open your minds.
Leaping Jimmy – Why can’t you see that Oswald always was a patsy setup specifically for the purpose of taking the blame specifically so he could be silenced days later? Why does that obvious fact make your tummy hurt so you scream “it’s not true” like a little schoolgirl, even today? Of are you just really, really, really thick and your mind is so tiny it simply can’t process the data?
Go ahead then, and truly amaze us – without any fucking garbage about “you are undeservingly stupid or too lazy to find out yourselves” –
who, or what organisation, do you believe to be responsible for Kennedy’s assassination?
An Australian man buys several sheep, hoping to breed them for wool. After several weeks, he notices that none of the sheep are getting pregnant, and phones a vet for help. The vet tells him that he should try artificial insemination. The farmer doesn’t have the slightest idea what this means but, not wanting to display his ignorance, only asks the vet how he will know when the sheep are pregnant. The vet tells him that they will stop standing around and instead will lie down and wallow in grass when they are pregnant. The man hangs up and gives it some thought. He comes to the conclusion that artificial insemination means he has to impregnate the sheep himself. So, he loads the sheep into his Land Rover, drives them out into the bush, has sex with them all, brings them back, and goes to bed. Next morning, he wakes and looks out at the sheep. Seeing that they are all still standing around, he deduces that the first try didn’t take, and loads them in the Land Rover again. He drives them out to the bush, bangs each sheep twice for good measure, brings them back, and goes to bed exhausted. Next morning, he wakes to find the sheep still just standing around. Try again, he tells himself, and proceeds to load them up, and drive them out to the bush. He spends all day shagging the sheep and upon returning home, falls listlessly into bed. The next morning, he can’t even raise himself from the bed to look out of the window. He asks his wife to look, and tell him if the sheep are lying in the grass. “No,” she says, “they’re all in the Land Rover and one of them is beeping the horn.”
If you have a look at the Zebbrugger film, you can see who the final fatal frontal shot comes from the front, not the back. I don’t know who did it, but the best theory I have heard comes from “The men who killed Kennedy” which alleges it was a shooter on the overhead bridge, right in front and above of the limo. The point is PiA, just because you don’t actually know who actually did it and how, doesn’t mean you don’t know that what the authorities are telling you, isn’t bullshit. You really are stupid, if you think that, and many people do, simply because they cannot believe the govt would lie to them over something like this, which is what of course, per Goebells, the govt relies on. Der.
BTW, how come the FBI confiscated all the films. The Zebrugger film is the only one which ‘escaped’ and that was only by accident. Most of the time, people with 3-digit IQs would ask themselves, how come the govt confiscated all the other evidence which might have showed what actually happened.
But even knowing who fired that fatal shot that doesn’t tell you who was responsible for it.
Although I can give you about 5 reasons as to why they may have wanted to do it.
But that still doesn’t tell you why they did it or more importantly, why the MSM has failed to look seriously at it, over the entire 50 years since it happened.
All these questions, are what opened minded people should be answering for themselves. Closed minded people just think, it can’t have been the govt and they can’t have covered it up so what possible innocent explanation is there for all of this peculiar shit, oh fuck it, Here’s Lucy is on again, let’s watch that instead and not think about it anymore. People who don’t get nothing happened are just nuts.
That’s basically what you guys do, PiA.
They might have wanted to do it because JFK had recently:
said he would “scatter the CIA to the four winds”
said he would withdraw the “[then] advisors” from Vietnam
signed Executive Order 11110 stripping the Fed of its power to print money
threatened to tell the American people about the UFO contacts the govt had been having since the 50’s
Also, JFK was the only President in 200 years without bloodline linkages to European Aristocracy.
Reasons 1-3 are the most likely.
Johnson announced “a re-assessment of [JFK's] re-assessment a week or so after and the Vietnam war was on track. How valuable was that? A lot of people who understand the monetary supply think the 11110 reason has legs, but you need to understand how that works.
Bottom line is, who knows without proof? No-one. Duh.
This lack of proof does not mean the govt’s explanation is kosher and this is the fallacy that many fools cling to, in whatever hope they have.
This is what I personally don’t get with people like you. WTF is wrong with your logical faculties that you find it completely and utterly inconceivable that even with the sorts of things at stake as I have outlined, that people still would not kill, for those reasons? Do you have any idea for example, what the power the print money is worth, to those who own the Federal Reserve?
Luc, FFS, the “palestinians” do not have a “historic homeland”.
Plus, the (then) Saudi Arabian Ambassador to the United States, Prince Bandar bin Sultan was there at the negotiations. He tells Elsa Walsh from the New Yorker exactly what happened. Apparently, Arafat was offered a state with its capital in Jerusalem, control over the Temple Mount, a return of approximately 95 percent of the West Bank and all of the Gaza Strip, and a $30 billion compensation package for the 1948 refugees.
urged Arafat to “take this deal.” Could you ever get “a better deal”? he asked. Would you rather negotiate with Sharon? As Arafat vacillated, Bandar issued a stern warning: “I hope you remember, sir, what I told you. If we lose this opportunity, it is going to be a crime.”9
Karolos Papoulias, the Greek president, warned party leaders that their continued failure to agree was risking “fatal consequences”. Citing a secret government document, he said Greeks were already pulling £80 million a day out of the country’s banks. Almost €1 billion (£795 million) has been withdrawn since the last elections on May 6.
Greece is simply ahead of the curve. Plenty of other countries are lining up for 2nd, 3rd and 4th place. Officers of government that borrow their way into office should be held accountable for the blood that will inevitably flow.
Jimmy – Interesting answer, apart from the unneeded abuse – although you knew from the framing of my question and your general comments, I expected that.
Just wondering if you had anything beyond Playboy article October 1964 on the Warren Report
Every single point made by LJ has been debunked. All lies or distortions (note: I saw the movie very young and was like LJ for a few months, then saw the real evidence, not made up or mis represented evidence).
And who the fuck is Zebrugger?
What sort of conspiracy allows a film of the event out into the public!
At least we know now who this nutcase thinks it is. The CIA. Of course. FBI, ONI, Mafia involved too I assume? Oh, and Castro. And the Kremlin.
scott chris 9:09 – My son was here… in 2009… running down that #$%^& steep hill. I searched the youtube vids but couldn’t see my lad. I saw him two weeks later and the bruises were still visible. The footage doesn’t do the gradient justice.
Zapper or should I say Trevor, (from Cory and Trevor – TrailerPark Boys fame, how about addressing what I actually said vs what you hallucinate?
e.g. Tell me where the 5 possible reasons I just gave you have been “debunked” by anyone tonight here.
For future reference, just saying it has been “debunked” doesn’t actually make it the case. I know that may be difficult to understand, but it’s true. You might want to bear that in mind. It could be embarassing at some point in your future if you make the same mistake.
What Bollocks. An “Electronic Intifada” article on why we can’t have peace with Israel. Given that Arafat himself said the two issues were 1) the right of return of Palestinian refugees and their descendents; and 2) that Israel gives up any religious recognition of the Temple Mount. Even Palileaks showed those were the issues. Come on, I bet you can’t find an independent reference to those claims.
Hamas claims lots of things, but their charter remains opposed to a state of Israel. In December they renounced terrorism, only to praise it the very next day. Hamas also say that Gaza is no longer occupied. I guess they can say what they like to media. The rockets keep flying regardless.
Luc fits Natan Sharansky’s 3 D’s definition of Anitsemitism: Delegitimisation, Double Standard and Demonisation. It’s warming to know that the rest of the world sees through this crap, and is working to make peace. The BDS movement is not accepted politically except by the most extremists. In NZ, it might only be the Mana party (although its not a declared policy)
There’s no point debating with Luc. He’s so close minded. He even calls peace protesters “Zionists” (i.e. mepeace). Usually I don’t bother.
A lot of the controversial around IQ is generated by the lefty “no one can be different its all meaninglessness labels we can all succeed we are all winners” meme
I am not saying all with high IQ will be doctors lawyers and all with low IQ will be street sweepers
It certainly gives you advantages for learning if you have a high IQ
Zapper thinks in his ignorance if he can find one or several sites that claim to “debunk” then this closes the argument.
He is of course an idiot.
What historian looks at only one side of the argument?
What intelligence analyst?
What truth seeker.
Make your own mind up but FFS, don’t imagine Zapper is interested in both sides. For some reason he seems obsessed by only the one. Why? I have no idea. I don’t really care, quite frankly. I suspect he’s simply a small minded idiot. I doubt he’s a disinformation specialist. That’s giving him far too much credit. But he’s certainly fanatical and passionate. Perhaps he’s a dope fiend – won’t change his mind and can’t change the subject. Seems to be fanatical, anyhoo.
Notice he skips over the Executive Order 11110, BTW. Many people think that’s the most likely reason JFK was killed. If you don’t know what that was, you should look it up. Lots of serious stuff behind that.
I like the British, they had it right at the start.
They went for the two state solution, maybe they were prophetic?
It is called Jordan.
So all the Muslims who want to live in an Arab state can move out of Samaria and Judea and live in the Arab state of Jordan.
Further the UN and others can stop funding the camps to encourage them to move there.
The UN can disband it’s separate special refugee organisation just for “palestinians”
See peace situation solved in the Mid East.
now Murray McCully can stop his stupidity in the op eds and actually back something that would work.
or it will show up the truth of Middle East peace..
philu @ 10:11 – Having a laff?! Don’t make fun of such serious issues!
Refer to my 3:00 pm post (before the men in black make DPF take it down, and it is mysteriously ‘lost’ for ever). I am sure that someone of your incredible intellect (with an MBA!) realises the truth behind the US Government conspiracy™. YOU will understand the significance of the pilot episode of “The Lone Gunmen” (and some people laughingly refer to it as “just a TV program”, poor deluded fools).
The truth is out there, and only a few brave, incredibly insightful people understand it. That these people, such as you, choose to share your wisdom with us is something for which we all should give thanks most humbly.
In another post you mentioned that “..everyone knows cheney was really running everything..”
I bow in awe of your insight. Truly, you see things that other people do not. Do these other meer minions realise, for example, that Dick Cheney’s wife, Lynne Cheney, is a descendant of Mormon pioneers?