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	<title>Comments on: How about a permanent ankle bracelet?</title>
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		<title>By: kune</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/05/how_about_a_permanent_ankle_bracelet.html/comment-page-1#comment-978333</link>
		<dc:creator>kune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 03:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This guy is from a background of neglect, abuse and violence and in order to get attention he does this over and over. Yes he is an alcoholic and when he learns to get rid of his ghosts from the past and take responsibility for his actions and admits he is an alcoholic only then will life change for him.
Otherwise nothing will change and he will remain an accident waiting to happen every time he gets released from prison.
A continuous threat to society.
An infinite home detention would be a better answer, instead of costing taxpayers money get him working to support himself in a programme where he will get monitored 24/7 along with the other criminals who are able to accommodate these criterias.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This guy is from a background of neglect, abuse and violence and in order to get attention he does this over and over. Yes he is an alcoholic and when he learns to get rid of his ghosts from the past and take responsibility for his actions and admits he is an alcoholic only then will life change for him.<br />
Otherwise nothing will change and he will remain an accident waiting to happen every time he gets released from prison.<br />
A continuous threat to society.<br />
An infinite home detention would be a better answer, instead of costing taxpayers money get him working to support himself in a programme where he will get monitored 24/7 along with the other criminals who are able to accommodate these criterias.</p>
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		<title>By: nasska</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/05/how_about_a_permanent_ankle_bracelet.html/comment-page-1#comment-977403</link>
		<dc:creator>nasska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 06:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a recovering alcoholic I can testify that it would be a very keen drinker who would risk suffering the effects of combining &#039;Antabuse&#039; &amp; alcohol twice.  I went down many paths before I managed to knock the grog on the head &amp; one of these was &#039;Disulfiram&#039; prescribed by my doctor.  After taking the pill daily for about six weeks I managed to kid myself that I had the situation under control &amp; it would be okay to limit myself to a couple of beers after work.  To this end I stopped taking the pill &amp; after three days thought we&#039;d be okay.

Wrong!!  Not long after knocking the scab off my second quart bottle I developed a headache such that I&#039;ve never experienced before.  About the same time I became nauseous &amp; spent the next hour or so vomiting until I was dry retching.

As I was a true pisshead I gave up taking the pills instead of learning from the cockup.

Martin Gibson has it pretty much right.....unless someone really wants to give up alcohol it&#039;s highly likely that any treatment will succeed.  He is also correct that the health system is not geared to intervene when the patient finally comes to his/her senses.  Before treatment is available the self will has often collapsed.

It is also fair to say that preventing drink driving amongst hardcore recidivist alkies will always be an uphill battle.  By the time an alcoholic having a session on the piss has to go home or buy more supplies their judgement has completely gone out the window.  They are incapable of making a rational judgement call on their ability to drive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a recovering alcoholic I can testify that it would be a very keen drinker who would risk suffering the effects of combining &#8216;Antabuse&#8217; &amp; alcohol twice.  I went down many paths before I managed to knock the grog on the head &amp; one of these was &#8216;Disulfiram&#8217; prescribed by my doctor.  After taking the pill daily for about six weeks I managed to kid myself that I had the situation under control &amp; it would be okay to limit myself to a couple of beers after work.  To this end I stopped taking the pill &amp; after three days thought we&#8217;d be okay.</p>
<p>Wrong!!  Not long after knocking the scab off my second quart bottle I developed a headache such that I&#8217;ve never experienced before.  About the same time I became nauseous &amp; spent the next hour or so vomiting until I was dry retching.</p>
<p>As I was a true pisshead I gave up taking the pills instead of learning from the cockup.</p>
<p>Martin Gibson has it pretty much right&#8230;..unless someone really wants to give up alcohol it&#8217;s highly likely that any treatment will succeed.  He is also correct that the health system is not geared to intervene when the patient finally comes to his/her senses.  Before treatment is available the self will has often collapsed.</p>
<p>It is also fair to say that preventing drink driving amongst hardcore recidivist alkies will always be an uphill battle.  By the time an alcoholic having a session on the piss has to go home or buy more supplies their judgement has completely gone out the window.  They are incapable of making a rational judgement call on their ability to drive.</p>
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		<title>By: Longknives</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/05/how_about_a_permanent_ankle_bracelet.html/comment-page-1#comment-977382</link>
		<dc:creator>Longknives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 05:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[01:36

I dont think she is his mum!!!! 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yvyXxBOgVg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>01:36</p>
<p>I dont think she is his mum!!!! </p>
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		<title>By: Northland Wahine</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/05/how_about_a_permanent_ankle_bracelet.html/comment-page-1#comment-977370</link>
		<dc:creator>Northland Wahine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 05:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Celia imrie played Kate mcleod ... Clanswoman... So you maybe right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Celia imrie played Kate mcleod &#8230; Clanswoman&#8230; So you maybe right?</p>
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		<title>By: Longknives</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/05/how_about_a_permanent_ankle_bracelet.html/comment-page-1#comment-977356</link>
		<dc:creator>Longknives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 05:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Northland Wahine- Hmmm.. I am pretty sure he had a girlfriend in his home village who turned on him when he survived his wounds.... Heather came along a little later in the film.
1986 was a long time ago! Still got the soundtrack though....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Northland Wahine- Hmmm.. I am pretty sure he had a girlfriend in his home village who turned on him when he survived his wounds&#8230;. Heather came along a little later in the film.<br />
1986 was a long time ago! Still got the soundtrack though&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: slijmbal</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/05/how_about_a_permanent_ankle_bracelet.html/comment-page-1#comment-977348</link>
		<dc:creator>slijmbal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 04:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On antabuse they can even install them in implants - Georgie Best tried it and it didn&#039;t work

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2003/jul/17/thisweekssciencequestions

From reading around the amount of alcohol required to hit 2.5 times the legal limit would probably have him puking his guts up - so it would be partially effective]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On antabuse they can even install them in implants &#8211; Georgie Best tried it and it didn&#8217;t work</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2003/jul/17/thisweekssciencequestions" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2003/jul/17/thisweekssciencequestions</a></p>
<p>From reading around the amount of alcohol required to hit 2.5 times the legal limit would probably have him puking his guts up &#8211; so it would be partially effective</p>
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		<title>By: Northland Wahine</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/05/how_about_a_permanent_ankle_bracelet.html/comment-page-1#comment-977344</link>
		<dc:creator>Northland Wahine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 04:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Knives... Wasn&#039;t that his mother? He met his woman once he became immortal...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knives&#8230; Wasn&#8217;t that his mother? He met his woman once he became immortal&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Longknives</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/05/how_about_a_permanent_ankle_bracelet.html/comment-page-1#comment-977343</link>
		<dc:creator>Longknives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 04:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Martin Gibson- Wasn&#039;t that screeching hag Connor&#039;s girlfriend at the start of that classic film?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin Gibson- Wasn&#8217;t that screeching hag Connor&#8217;s girlfriend at the start of that classic film?</p>
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		<title>By: RRM</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/05/how_about_a_permanent_ankle_bracelet.html/comment-page-1#comment-977156</link>
		<dc:creator>RRM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 23:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve got a couple of old 13&quot; steel wheels off a Triumph 2000 that would make good permanent ankle bracelets for this chap...?

Might have to flare out the centre holes a bit to get them on over his feet. Then weld them back up to prevent him slipping out of them..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a couple of old 13&#8243; steel wheels off a Triumph 2000 that would make good permanent ankle bracelets for this chap&#8230;?</p>
<p>Might have to flare out the centre holes a bit to get them on over his feet. Then weld them back up to prevent him slipping out of them..</p>
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		<title>By: meh</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/05/how_about_a_permanent_ankle_bracelet.html/comment-page-1#comment-977153</link>
		<dc:creator>meh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 23:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hmmokrightitis (441)
May 31st, 2012 at 9:29 am

Still not workable, he&#039;s been disqualified indefinitely so he shouldn&#039;t even own a car at all!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmokrightitis (441)<br />
May 31st, 2012 at 9:29 am</p>
<p>Still not workable, he&#8217;s been disqualified indefinitely so he shouldn&#8217;t even own a car at all!</p>
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		<title>By: Will de Cleene</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/05/how_about_a_permanent_ankle_bracelet.html/comment-page-1#comment-977142</link>
		<dc:creator>Will de Cleene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 23:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He could be the subject of an NZ on Air funded documentary series. I know of a Dutch-based production company that puts out derogatory pap like that and dresses it as NZ culture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He could be the subject of an NZ on Air funded documentary series. I know of a Dutch-based production company that puts out derogatory pap like that and dresses it as NZ culture.</p>
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		<title>By: KevinH</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/05/how_about_a_permanent_ankle_bracelet.html/comment-page-1#comment-977138</link>
		<dc:creator>KevinH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 23:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Prison is the only solution to this mans recidivism, eventually he will get it. For his next offence a lengthy spell of 5-7 years will do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prison is the only solution to this mans recidivism, eventually he will get it. For his next offence a lengthy spell of 5-7 years will do.</p>
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		<title>By: special k</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/05/how_about_a_permanent_ankle_bracelet.html/comment-page-1#comment-977136</link>
		<dc:creator>special k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 23:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Go after the people that are providing guys like this with a vehicle:

1) Disqualified drivers have to choose either to sell their car or have it impounded for the duration of their sentence.  No one can own a car without a current driver&#039;s license.
2) When lending or selling a vehicle the owner must check that the person they are lending it to has a current license
3) Failure to do 2) will lead to the vehicle&#039;s seller/owner being charged as accessory to whatever crime the driver is subsequently charged with]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go after the people that are providing guys like this with a vehicle:</p>
<p>1) Disqualified drivers have to choose either to sell their car or have it impounded for the duration of their sentence.  No one can own a car without a current driver&#8217;s license.<br />
2) When lending or selling a vehicle the owner must check that the person they are lending it to has a current license<br />
3) Failure to do 2) will lead to the vehicle&#8217;s seller/owner being charged as accessory to whatever crime the driver is subsequently charged with</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Gibson</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/05/how_about_a_permanent_ankle_bracelet.html/comment-page-1#comment-977125</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 22:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[gazzmaniac: &quot;What if he’s really good at driving while drunk, considering that he’s had lots of practise? Then it wouldn’t be a matter of time.&quot;

Could be something in this. Perhaps part of the driving test could be doing laps of a track, drinking a can and a shot on each lap up til the cornering and reactions get too slow.

Officer: &quot;Well you are blowing 720, but I see you&#039;re licenced to 900 under 55km/h. Well done, have a good evening.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gazzmaniac: &#8220;What if he’s really good at driving while drunk, considering that he’s had lots of practise? Then it wouldn’t be a matter of time.&#8221;</p>
<p>Could be something in this. Perhaps part of the driving test could be doing laps of a track, drinking a can and a shot on each lap up til the cornering and reactions get too slow.</p>
<p>Officer: &#8220;Well you are blowing 720, but I see you&#8217;re licenced to 900 under 55km/h. Well done, have a good evening.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: gazzmaniac</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/05/how_about_a_permanent_ankle_bracelet.html/comment-page-1#comment-977102</link>
		<dc:creator>gazzmaniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 22:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;It is a minor miracle Laing has not killed someone yet, but it is only a matter of time.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What if he&#039;s really good at driving while drunk, considering that he&#039;s had lots of practise?  Then it wouldn&#039;t be a matter of time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It is a minor miracle Laing has not killed someone yet, but it is only a matter of time.</p></blockquote>
<p>What if he&#8217;s really good at driving while drunk, considering that he&#8217;s had lots of practise?  Then it wouldn&#8217;t be a matter of time.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Gibson</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/05/how_about_a_permanent_ankle_bracelet.html/comment-page-1#comment-977097</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 22:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kowtow: this is how I visualise you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6hnFhr8PK4

Could also be this chap&#039;s answer: &quot;Can you walk?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kowtow: this is how I visualise you:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6hnFhr8PK4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6hnFhr8PK4</a></p>
<p>Could also be this chap&#8217;s answer: &#8220;Can you walk?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Johnstone</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/05/how_about_a_permanent_ankle_bracelet.html/comment-page-1#comment-977094</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Johnstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 22:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re mostly missing the point there is no criminal sanction that can deter an addict from being an addict. you could have execution by slow disemboweling as the sanction, it wouldn&#039;t deter.

You can&#039;t expect him to act in a rational fashion, there is no risk / reward calculation. Addicts minds don&#039;t work that way. 

A life ban from all bars within 100kms of his home might be a good start, with serious sanctions for the bar owners if they don&#039;t comply. It will not stop him from drinking of course, but it might just make him do it at home.

Of course, the simplest, safest and cheapest solution is to give him an tax payer funded account at his local tax firm and to pay for his cabs. It might cost us a few hundred dollars a month. It may safe lives and it&#039;d certainly be cash positive in terms of police and legal expenses. Will not happen because people aren&#039;t really interested in solving the problem, they just have a visceral desire to punish him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re mostly missing the point there is no criminal sanction that can deter an addict from being an addict. you could have execution by slow disemboweling as the sanction, it wouldn&#8217;t deter.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t expect him to act in a rational fashion, there is no risk / reward calculation. Addicts minds don&#8217;t work that way. </p>
<p>A life ban from all bars within 100kms of his home might be a good start, with serious sanctions for the bar owners if they don&#8217;t comply. It will not stop him from drinking of course, but it might just make him do it at home.</p>
<p>Of course, the simplest, safest and cheapest solution is to give him an tax payer funded account at his local tax firm and to pay for his cabs. It might cost us a few hundred dollars a month. It may safe lives and it&#8217;d certainly be cash positive in terms of police and legal expenses. Will not happen because people aren&#8217;t really interested in solving the problem, they just have a visceral desire to punish him.</p>
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		<title>By: Fridge</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/05/how_about_a_permanent_ankle_bracelet.html/comment-page-1#comment-977091</link>
		<dc:creator>Fridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 22:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://statements.cabinet.qld.gov.au/MMS/StatementDisplaySingle.aspx?id=68854 What would be ideal is a user (offender) pays policy like the use of alcohol interlockers. Used in Queensland: &#039;New laws will see repeat drink drivers and those with excessive blood alcohol levels pay for the installation of alcohol interlockers in their vehicles to keep them off the road.&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://statements.cabinet.qld.gov.au/MMS/StatementDisplaySingle.aspx?id=68854" rel="nofollow">http://statements.cabinet.qld.gov.au/MMS/StatementDisplaySingle.aspx?id=68854</a> What would be ideal is a user (offender) pays policy like the use of alcohol interlockers. Used in Queensland: &#8216;New laws will see repeat drink drivers and those with excessive blood alcohol levels pay for the installation of alcohol interlockers in their vehicles to keep them off the road.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: GPT1</title>
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		<dc:creator>GPT1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 22:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[EBA first and second is three months maximum, thereafter it is 2 years.  In general that is, in my opinion, an appropriate deterrent sentence but there is a point where 2 years becomes to short.  I would suggest that this guy is well and truly past it.  I do wonder whether there should be a third step of, say, 5 years for 10th and subsequent - at that point deterrent sentences clearly have not worked and it&#039;s a case of protecting the public for as long as realistically possible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EBA first and second is three months maximum, thereafter it is 2 years.  In general that is, in my opinion, an appropriate deterrent sentence but there is a point where 2 years becomes to short.  I would suggest that this guy is well and truly past it.  I do wonder whether there should be a third step of, say, 5 years for 10th and subsequent &#8211; at that point deterrent sentences clearly have not worked and it&#8217;s a case of protecting the public for as long as realistically possible.</p>
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		<title>By: graham</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/05/how_about_a_permanent_ankle_bracelet.html/comment-page-1#comment-977080</link>
		<dc:creator>graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 21:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And there&#039;s your problem unfortunately, Northland Wahine.

If this idiot, at 44, hasn&#039;t grown up and started taking responsibility, I think it&#039;s fair to say he never will. (Hell there&#039;s a certain person we all know who&#039;s over 60, and still won&#039;t take responsibility). So expecting him to take the pill willingly is not gonna happen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And there&#8217;s your problem unfortunately, Northland Wahine.</p>
<p>If this idiot, at 44, hasn&#8217;t grown up and started taking responsibility, I think it&#8217;s fair to say he never will. (Hell there&#8217;s a certain person we all know who&#8217;s over 60, and still won&#8217;t take responsibility). So expecting him to take the pill willingly is not gonna happen.</p>
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