Kiwi young women most promiscuous

May 9th, 2012 at 10:06 am by David Farrar

Radio NZ reports:

Conservative Party leader says taxpayers should not be picking up the tab for what he says are the most promiscuous young women in the world to get free contraceptives.

I’m not sure if that statistic is correct, but if so can I just say how happy I am to be a Kiwi :-)

“Why should, say, a 70-year-old who’s had one partner all their life be paying for a young woman to sleep around.

Well as far as I know women don’t get paid to have sex, well unless they are a professional. Most women have sex because they enjoy it.

They only get “paid” if they get pregnant and have a baby. means that generally will not happen, so I would have thought Colin would be all in favour.

“We are the country with the most promiscuous young women in the world. This does nothing to help us at all.”

This is like saying we are the country with the best oysters in the world, and something must be done :-)

I do like how Colin rails against “promiscuous young women” and says nothing about men. It does take two to tango. I really thought we were past the age of casting them as the evil Eve type seductress.

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82 Responses to “Kiwi young women most promiscuous”

  1. RRM (10,099 comments) says:

    A very wise person once said to me:

    There is no-one so scathing of women in general, as a man unsure of his own virility.

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  2. Redbaiter (10,421 comments) says:

    David Farrar, like most liberals, unwilling to admit that something is seriously amiss in NZ society and it is mostly his ideas that are the cause.

    (Craig must have the National Party worried for their flunkies to be attacking him so often.)

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  3. smttc (767 comments) says:

    I seem to recall there was a survey last year which concluded young people in NZ were the most promiscuous in the World.

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  4. mikenmild (12,390 comments) says:

    Colin Craig seems to be channeling those unhinged US conservatives who were railing against health plans that included contraception.

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  5. immigant (950 comments) says:

    I think, the whole problem is that in NZ the father takes no responsibility.

    The way it should work is:

    You get pregnant, you need to declare who the father is. If you do not do this you get no financial support.
    Once the father is established the government starts smashing him in the wallet for alimony. And the Unfortunate single mother gets her “entitlement” from the taxpayer.

    I think that would change the whole landscape of teen pregnancy.

    Also this free contraception idea, I just don’t get it. Contraception was always free. When we were students we used to go to the family planning clinic and just get a prescription for 100 condoms. We had no food but bags and bags of condoms.

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  6. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    I’m guessing that Colin Craig, former accountant and married, is a little frustrated that he isn’t single.

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  7. RRM (10,099 comments) says:

    (Craig must have the National Party worried for their flunkies to be attacking him so often.)

    Yes because Colin Craig is such a force to be reckoned with in NZ politics.

    :-D :LOL:

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  8. Viking2 (11,678 comments) says:

    Oh so we have overtaken the Swedes and the Fins have we. Well that could be because Grandma Turia says that Maori’s have to breed to build their iwi and hapu up.

    Contraceptive plan criticised

    The initiative drew fire from National’s ally – Maori Party co-leader Tariana Turia, who is also the associate social development minister. She said it was insulting to tell somebody how many children they should have.

    “I’ve always supported the growing of our population, the growing of our hapu and iwi and so I’m certainly not one who’s ever believed that we should be controlling people’s fertility.”

    Politically sanctioned baby breeding.

    So Turia’s mob can breed like guinea pigs and rabbits and that’s ok. No wonder Maori have problems.
    Seems imminently sensible to me that we allow the girls the choice of rooting without getting pregnant. Indeed it should be almost compulsory, but no we cannot and should not go down that track, but we can sanction the offenders with penalties for behaving badly. Limit the money, etc etc.

    Given that a big chunk of our population is also Pacifica who have the same propensity to procreate then why are we surprised.

    Another reason not to vote for Craig and his looneys, control freaks and all.

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  9. kowtow (8,939 comments) says:

    And so it begins.

    Banksy looks dodgy.The Conservatives could keep National in.TV3 did a big story on Craig at the weekend,no shortage of silly religious references etc.
    kiwiblog joining the fray.

    Message?

    Let’s ensure the Conservatives remain unelectable.

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  10. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    “You get pregnant, you need to declare who the father is. If you do not do this you get no financial support.”

    Agree 100%. And the father has to pay accordingly.

    ‘User pays’ in action…

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  11. Dick Prebble (60 comments) says:

    I’m not sure if that statistic is correct, but if so can I just say how happy I am to be a Kiwi.

    I’m not sure if you’re aware Farrar but just because a woman is promiscuous does not mean she spreads her promiscuity out equally amongst all men. If anything, all that statistic means is that they’re having more sex with the jocks. If you happen to weigh more than 100kgs your chances of getting laid decrease significantly regardless of a woman’s level of promiscuity.

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  12. mikenmild (12,390 comments) says:

    Thanks Dick, I didn’t know that. I’d better lose 10kgs in a hurry!

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  13. 103PapPap (129 comments) says:

    It’s probably worthwhile to read this article ‘http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6884359/Cracking-it-on-welfare-in-Huntly’ because it shows how teenagers (at least Huntly teenagers) really think about this subject.

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  14. Archer (222 comments) says:

    To be fair DPF, it appears Radio NZ have omitted the comments Craig made about fathers from their article. They are contained in the Herald’s article.

    “[Craig] said it was often the women left “holding the baby”, and men were being less responsible than women.

    “When we are talking about responsibility, I think the ones who are ducking responsibility the most here are the fathers.”

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  15. Brian Smaller (3,966 comments) says:

    Yes it takes two to make a baby, but only one of them can get pregnant. This is 2012 – the women are supposed to be controlling their own their reproductive systems. On the flip side, men who father children need to support them.

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  16. Alan Wilkinson (1,935 comments) says:

    I’m happy to pick up the tab for the free contraceptives so long as Colin picks up the welfare tab for those who don’t take it.

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  17. Cunningham (846 comments) says:

    He does have a point and I agree the man must hold as much responsability. However if this even stops one women from accidently getting pregnant and becoming a lifelong drag on our welfare system then it is a success.

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  18. rolla_fxgt (311 comments) says:

    I think its hilarious that the media (especially tv3) are promoting Colin Criag so much lately, all it serves to do is make the sane amongst us realise what a religious/moral crusader nut job he really is. It only serves to make him more unelectable, and move soft voters to National, rather than someone like Craig.

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  19. Ryan Sproull (7,360 comments) says:

    I seem to recall there was a survey last year which concluded young people in NZ were the most promiscuous in the World.

    Yes, Craig is referring to a survey by condom manufacturer Durex. Not sure of the methodology.

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  20. East Wellington Superhero (1,139 comments) says:

    Gee, the right of centre liberal knives didn’t take long to sharpen. (Not that I’ll be voting for Colin Craig)

    And typical DPF, when emotion gets in the way he loses his focus…

    “I do like how Colin rails against “promiscuous young women” and says nothing about men. It does take two to tango. I really thought we were past the age of casting them as the evil Eve type seductress.”

    Well actually, Craig said THE OPPOSITE of what Farrar is asserting in the NZ Herald coverage of this story:
    “He said it was often the women left “holding the baby”, and men were being less responsible than women. When we are talking about responsibility, I think the ones who are ducking responsibility the most here are the fathers.”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10804591

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  21. kowtow (8,939 comments) says:

    So pebble dick thinks the Scots get the most .In that case I’m off to change my name to Hamish Mac Sporran.

    “Fat Bastards don’t get laid”…….. judging from the appearance of the fat slags pushing prams around these days I can’t imagine that they’re too choosey or maybe the Jocks are just blind drunk when they jump on them.

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  22. hmmokrightitis (1,596 comments) says:

    God Dick you talk some shit…

    “If you happen to weigh more than 100kgs your chances of getting laid decrease significantly regardless of a woman’s level of promiscuity.”

    I havent been under 100kgs for more than 20 years. I am a seriously large unit, tall with it, but run ultra’s. Prior to getting married, never had any issues whatsoever getting more than my fair share. Stay fit, get laid – Im nearly 50. :)

    When you assume, you make and ass of you and me. When you generalise, you just highlight what a complete dipshit you are.

    @Brian Smaller: well said that man.

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  23. alex (304 comments) says:

    Everyone saying that National is scared of the Conservatives is wrong. National needs the Conservatives to make them look normal and well adjusted, nothing like an electable but fringe party on your flank to make you look centrist.

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  24. BeaB (2,164 comments) says:

    Just about all contraceptive measures, including surgery for men (should be much more widepread in my opinion), are rightly available free or through WINZ assistance. This just extends the subsidy to long-term contraceptives – which are effective and convenient as well as being reversible. But too expensive for the women who probably most need them. Good for Paula (and she doesn’t deserve that nasty misogynistic cartoon in the Herald this morning).

    It amazes me to see Labour and Greens women tying themselves in knots trying to oppose what should be a basic tenet of their values – a woman’s control over her body and reproduction. That ever-expanding Greens woman sounded more like Colin Craig than a defender of women’s rights. This is one issue they should have had the grace and sense to support.

    And contraception has nothing to do with moral judgements. Leave those to the churches and other pontifcators.

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  25. big bruv (14,218 comments) says:

    Colin Craig is comedy gold, a little bit like having our very own Rick Santorum or Sarah (I can see Russia from my house) Palin.

    This bible bashing idiot is quickly managing to alienate anybody (well those with at least half a brain who do not want to be forced to live their life as set down in the work of fiction that is the bible) who may have considered voting for him.

    I hope he keeps it up, I can just about live with the Nat’s selling their soul to do a deal with Dunne and while I am no fan of the Apartheid party being in government with the Nat’s it is still preferable to the left being in power.

    However, I draw the line at people like Colin Craig, if it means being in opposition then I would take that over being told how to live my life by a religious fanatic.

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  26. mikenmild (12,390 comments) says:

    Wow, I agree with big bruv (on Colin Craig).

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  27. kowtow (8,939 comments) says:

    rolla fgt

    tv3 are not promoting Craig, they’re doing a hatchet job. In one of the introductions to the story the repeater ,I think it was Mcroberts used a monty pythons line about the “naughty boy” a life of brian reference.Hardly professional behaviour.But what can anyone expect from the “news” or MSM these days.

    Just another part of the lefty media , anti Christian,anti right conspiracy.

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  28. East Wellington Superhero (1,139 comments) says:

    @ big bruv

    Is he actually a “bible-basher” and “religious fanatic”? I’ve seen no comments by him as such to suggest this.

    I note that he said he didn’t want to legislate morality.

    However, I’m happy to be corrected.

    I note that it tends to be Labour and the il-liberals always telling everyone what we ought to think.

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  29. Paulus (2,711 comments) says:

    But Helen Clark taught us that “Women Can Do Anything”,

    But she did everybody.

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  30. smttc (767 comments) says:

    kowtow, absolutely right. Having tried to do a hatchet job on the free contraception for young women on the dpt on Campbell Live last night, I am pretty sure I saw a look of surprise on Campbell’s face when he had to reveal that the TV3 poll showed 82% audience support for the policy.

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  31. RRM (10,099 comments) says:

    judging from the appearance of the fat slags pushing prams around these days I can’t imagine that they’re too choosey or maybe the Jocks are just blind drunk when they jump on them.

    :-o Nice.

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  32. wikiriwhis business (4,200 comments) says:

    ‘Colin Craig seems to be channeling those unhinged US conservatives who were railing against health plans that included contraception.”

    There’s always an agenda. Politics is never original and very scripted.

    Kiwi women are totally full of neuroses and nowhere near as open and communicative as Oz women

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  33. East Wellington Superhero (1,139 comments) says:

    @ wikiriwhis business

    “Kiwi women are totally full of neuroses and nowhere near as open and communicative as Oz women”

    Indeed. Or American women.

    Ironically, for all the blather about how brainwashed/prudish/un-liberated that conservative or American or religious women are, I’ve found that it tends to be ‘liberated’ kiwi girls that most lack confidence.

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  34. barry (1,191 comments) says:

    reported in the Herald this am: Colin Craig says:

    “…”When we are talking about responsibility, I think the ones who are ducking responsibility the most here are the fathers.”…”

    You are wrong DPF – he DID say something about males.

    And I think hes saying exactly the right things – his appeal will increase as time goes on.

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  35. Cunningham (846 comments) says:

    barry it is all good and well saying that but people aren’t going to stop breeding for money just because Colin Craig said so. Yes it would be nice to live in a world where people took more responsability but it just isn’t going to happen. I think people will see CC as completely unrealistic and out of touch if he continues to say these sort of things. We need things that work not BS statements like this which will change nothing.

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  36. barry (1,191 comments) says:

    Cunningham – thats wasnt the point.

    DPF says above: ” I do like how Colin rails against “promiscuous young women” and says nothing about men. It does take two to tango. I really thought we were past the age of casting them as the evil Eve type seductress. ”

    bit Craig did says something about mens irresponsibility. Thats all I was saying.

    Frankly Id be much harder on single parents. No benefit unless their family (and extended if necessary) pays higher taxes. If they dotn have a job- then it comes out of their benefits. It migh sound tough – but tough love actually works. The peer pressure they would put on the parebnts would solve all the probles of people not taking their responsibility.
    And if the family cant pay – then the state has first go at the beneficiaries estate when they die.

    At the moment all these people think they have a RIGHT to taxpayer money.

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  37. Cunningham (846 comments) says:

    barry, I would like them to put in tougher rules as well but there is no party which can ever do something like that unless we go bankrupt as a country. I mean just look at the overreaction to this. Can you imagine what would happen if they implemented the idea you stated? I actually agree with what you are saying but it will never happen.

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  38. labours a joke (442 comments) says:

    heres that link ‘ bout Huntly

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6884359/Cracking-it-on-welfare-in-Huntly

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  39. Pete George (23,805 comments) says:

    The Dominion editorial on this sums up what I think will be an easy majority view on it.

    Editorial: Contraceptive plan makes sense

    Every year, thousands of working Kiwi couples reluctantly delay having children or accept the heartbreaking reality that they cannot add to their existing families because of their financial situation. It is simply not fair to expect them to support beneficiaries who continue to have children in the knowledge others will provide for them.

    Social Development Minister Paula Bennett’s plan to fund free, long-term reversible contraception for female beneficiaries who wish to use it is not, as some have tried to paint it, a punitive or coercive measure. Rather, it encourages good family planning by removing a financial barrier that might otherwise prevent access to effective and convenient methods such as implants and IUDs.

    The howls of outrage from the usual suspects, who have branded the move barbaric, elitist and an unjustified intrusion by the state, do not bear scrutiny. Auckland Action Against Poverty spokeswoman Sue Bradford’s insistence, for example, that women “have the right to control their own reproduction” overlooks the fact that nobody is telling them they do not.

    Ms Bradford is also ignoring the important reality that women have a responsibility to ensure they can provide for the children they already have before having more. Those who rely on a benefit clearly do not meet that test, and taxpayers have a right to expect them to make the same choices and take the same precautions as working families that would dearly love to have more children, but cannot afford to.

    Greens co-leader Metiria Turei’s claim, meanwhile, that the move amounts to the state telling beneficiaries what contraception they should use is simply silly. The Government is not telling anyone what to do, merely making resources available to allow female beneficiaries who are in a relationship or sexually active to make choices that might not otherwise be open to them.

    For too long, governments have ducked the issue of women who continue to have children while on a benefit, despite the evidence that overwhelmingly shows that those born into welfare-dependent homes have far worse health, educational and social outcomes than those born into families with parents who work.

    The fact that 29 per cent of women on a benefit have had a child while on the benefit is therefore something that should be of deep concern to all New Zealanders.

    And as they say, “as long as the service remains completely voluntary – and it is difficult to see how it could not be, and remain within the law – there is no rational reason to oppose it.”

    But that doesn’t stop the irrational few having a voice.

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  40. Martin Gibson (248 comments) says:

    DPF, I think you have confused female promiscuity with a love of sex.
    There’s nothing like an absent father to get a girl dropping her pants for a large number of men in the hope of finding the male love and approval she never got as a child, which makes NZ’s promiscuity pretty sad rather than cause for celebration — although I did celebrate it like a little piggy before I was married.
    These under-fathered women are ending up with a string of failed relationships followed by solo parenthood followed by loneliness raising more girls with absent father issues.
    The elite-sponsored second-wave feminists who bear responsibility for this are a seething pit of daddy issues:

    Author of The War Against Women Marilyn French: “My father didn’t ever exist as a presence in my life…. He didn’t care about us.”

    Gloria Steinem:”My father was living in California. He didn’t ring up but I would get letters from him and saw him maybe once or twice a year.”

    Germaine Greer: “My father had decided pretty early on that life at home was pretty unbearable…it gave my mother an opportunity to tyrannize the children and enlist their aid to disenfranchise my father completely.”

    (From Susan Mitchell. Icons, Saints and Divas: Intimate Conversations with Women who Changed the World, New York: Harper Collins, 1997.)

    Save the world from feminism (and promiscuity, although it hurts to say it!) by being a great father (patriarch) to your daughters, and let’s can the Ministry of Women’s Affairs before it’s too late.

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  41. rolla_fxgt (311 comments) says:

    @kowtow, yes I know some religious nutters may see it as a hatchet job, but for the rest of us, the “promotion”/shinning light into dark corners, is great, it shows up craig as what he is.

    Perhaps my use of the word promotion confused you, it was semi meant as sarcasm.

    Anyone who promotes Craig and the Conservaties as a sensible stable political force/option, needs a bit of help.
    NZ is not the back blocks of America, and we don’t need religious promotion from politicians anymore, if indeed we ever did.

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  42. rosscalverley (83 comments) says:

    http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/10/13/1191696214489.html

    The MSM you are talking about, is this the same Mainstream media that thinks Mitchell and Bridges are the same person?

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  43. Redbaiter (10,421 comments) says:

    “Wow, I agree with big bruv (on Colin Craig).” a well known commie contributor declares.

    Of course you do.

    BB is typical of the cross wired ideological traitors who have over the last few decades converted the National Party into a cluster of liberal dropkicks barely distinguishable from Labour, and thereby given the Marxists an almost unassailable beachhead within our society and political system.

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  44. BlueSilver (26 comments) says:

    While I’d love for there to be a new stable centre right coalition partner for National, the Conservatives are not it (or should not be it). I cannot see the good people of Epsom holding their nose and voting for Craig in the unlikely event of an Epsom by-election (or in 2014) and more of this sort of press exposing the unwelcome religious and moralistic thinking that underpins the Conservative Party will ensure it.

    There’s plenty of time between now and 2014 for an economic centre-right, socially liberal, party to rise from the ACT ashes. In the meantime National should hold its nerve and not give credibility to these nutters.

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  45. LabourDoesntWork (292 comments) says:

    The busybody do-gooders are those who promise to relieve everyone’s problems by throwing other people’s money around. There’s no substitute for personal responsibility and facing the consequences of your own actions; but, that throws the magical solutions of the leftwing intellectual class out the window.

    Those who advocate greater personal responsibility are demonised because the truth of that message relegates the do-gooders to irrelevancy. There’s no patting yourself on the back for solving someone else’s problems when they’re facing the possible consequences of their own actions and acting accordingly.

    If they choose not to, then welcome to the real world. But subsidising those consequences further with financial offset only encourages more of the same negative social outcomes. After decades of this altruistic crap, the evidence is in: it subsidises, therefore encourages, the very problems we wring our hands about in the first place. So: do the do-gooders really care about those people and their plight, or is it just another excuse for yet another government benefit just so they can pat themselves on the back again for supporting it?

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  46. RRM (10,099 comments) says:

    …ideological traitors.. …unassailable beachheads…

    It sounds like somebody’s getting ready to go all Anders Breivik here…

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  47. big bruv (14,218 comments) says:

    Oh well, I must be right if Redbaiter does not agree with me.

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  48. Pete George (23,805 comments) says:

    There’s plenty of time between now and 2014 for an economic centre-right, socially liberal, party to rise from the ACT ashes.

    That will only happen if people make it happen. Even around the political blogs there’s been a heap of talk but very little action.

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  49. Aredhel777 (292 comments) says:

    My God, I love Redbaiter. He always used to wind up Poneke (if you lot remember him) so I thought he must be doing something right.

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  50. KevinH (1,257 comments) says:

    Colin Graig has just alienated the female vote with his unfortunate and politically naive statement that kiwi girls are “the most promiscius young women in the world.”
    Female fertility is a sensitive subject to women, a subject that has to be handled delicately, calling New Zealand women sluts is about the worst thing a kiwi male can do and one of the worst steps a fledgling politician could take.
    Colin Graig’s political career is now finished before he has begun.

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  51. Aredhel777 (292 comments) says:

    “Female fertility is a sensitive subject to women, a subject that has to be handled delicately, calling New Zealand women sluts is about the worst thing a kiwi male can do and one of the worst steps a fledgling politician could take.
    Colin Graig’s political career is now finished before he has begun.”

    Well it is true that in Kiwi society the idea that sex is something to reserve for marriage has completely gone down the toilet (moreso than in places like the United States.) When I was in high school girls as young as 14 were getting pregnant.

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  52. dime (10,213 comments) says:

    “If you happen to weigh more than 100kgs your chances of getting laid decrease significantly regardless of a woman’s level of promiscuity.”

    depends how youre built dude.

    Richie Mccaw isnt going without..

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  53. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    There are some sad souls here (MM and Dick Prebble) that would know a fuck if it was winking at them , you can just tell

    100kgs blah blah blah………………………………

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  54. LabourDoesntWork (292 comments) says:

    Short answer to this is: Women who can’t afford contraception can least afford to have that contraception fail or afford any of the other possible consequences of being sexually active. (Besides, if they can’t afford contraception they either must be starving or just haven’t heard of Family Planning.) Free contraception is just another way of funding more negative social outcomes not less, which the political class can then use to justify expanded welfarism.

    Planned Parenthood USA (and FPA in NZ) have known this for decades: the more free condoms you hand out to high schoolers, the more condoms will fail; thus, the more abortions you will be able to perform. Which equals more funding for Planned Parenthood. Or: more welfare spending by government and hand-wringing by their do-gooder enablers.

    KevinH:
    I have some respect for the sluts who at least admit to being sluts. Unlike those women who are sluts and act huffy at the truth being pointed out to them.

    Feminists seem to like having their cake and eating it: remember the “Slut parade”? So they *are* sluts by their own admission. And these are women who claim to speak on behalf of ALL women. Well, they said it. Women – feminism – independance – paying for your own personal choices. Got it. They can pay for their own contraceptives, then.

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  55. s.russell (1,649 comments) says:

    No sensible person will vote for Craig’s Conservatives. But that still leaves about 75% of the population to target [lol].
    Some posters have called for a new liberal centre right party as a partner for National. Dumb! National does not need a clone of itself t need a clone of itself as a partner. Such would oils only take votes from National with no net gain. What National needs is a party that will take votes from NZ First and get the religious types to the polling booth and generally get votes National cannot get itself.
    That means it must stand for lots.of things National does not like. The key is that such a party has to have enough rationality and integrity that it can be a constructive partner, unlike Winston. Craig is not as nutty as the liberal MSM likes to portrayed.him, and accepts that he cannot have everything he wantss if he gets a share of power.
    I will never vote for him myself. But he may be exactly what National needs.

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  56. George Patton (352 comments) says:

    Recycling Sir Robert Jones’ quote on Graham Capill:

    “Colin Craig is a condom on the penis of progress.”

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  57. Angus (536 comments) says:

    Maybe Mr Craig reads Kiwiblog.

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/03/nz_leads_the_world.html

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  58. Fiacre (2 comments) says:

    Interesting links to criticisms of the Durex Survey methodology;

    http://www.drpetra.co.uk/blog/concerns-about-the-durex-global-sex-survey/

    …and in particular, the 2010 survey Colin Craig is quoting from:

    http://www.drpetra.co.uk/blog/%e2%80%98rigged-for-her-displeasure%e2%80%99-%e2%80%93-problems-with-durex%e2%80%99s-uk-sex-survey-2010/

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  59. smttc (767 comments) says:

    What I do not understand about Craig’s comments is why he seems to think female promiscuity is a reason not to implement a policy which gives women on the dpb an option for free contraception.

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  60. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    smttc

    Craig is obviously a man of principle lol. He doesn’t want taxpayers to fund contraception…but apparently it’s ok if taxpayers pay for single parents to raise kids. He’d make a lousy accountant.

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  61. Longknives (4,956 comments) says:

    Dick Prebble- I’m also in the (100kg +) ‘Hundy’s club’ and can safely bet I’m physically fitter and have had more luck with the ladies than you … You sir, are an ass.

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  62. BlairM (2,340 comments) says:

    I am struggling to find anything wrong with anything Mr Craig said. It’s a mirror copy of the argument Republicans have been using to oppose a Democratic initiative to force insurers to provide women with free contraception in the United States, and I agree with what he says about it.

    Anybody who supports freedom, choice and individual responsibility should be opposed to, as Mr Craig put it – 70 year old women who don’t use contraception paying for 20 year old women who do. We should be a user pays society where the government does not steal your tax money to fund the choices of others. I don’t understand why so many people who are supposedly classical liberal are prepared to put the boot in when he is actually articulating classical liberalism!

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  63. Dick Prebble (60 comments) says:

    kowtow (1,758) Says:
    May 9th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    So pebble dick thinks the Scots get the most .In that case I’m off to change my name to Hamish Mac Sporran.

    “Fat Bastards don’t get laid”…….. judging from the appearance of the fat slags pushing prams around these days I can’t imagine that they’re too choosey or maybe the Jocks are just blind drunk when they jump on them.

    hmmokrightitis (383) Says:
    May 9th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    God Dick you talk some shit…

    “If you happen to weigh more than 100kgs your chances of getting laid decrease significantly regardless of a woman’s level of promiscuity.”

    I havent been under 100kgs for more than 20 years. I am a seriously large unit, tall with it, but run ultra’s. Prior to getting married, never had any issues whatsoever getting more than my fair share. Stay fit, get laid – Im nearly 50. :)

    When you assume, you make and ass of you and me. When you generalise, you just highlight what a complete dipshit you are.

    @Brian Smaller: well said that man.

    Pauleastbay (2,145) Says:
    May 9th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    There are some sad souls here (MM and Dick Prebble) that would know a fuck if it was winking at them , you can just tell

    100kgs blah blah blah………………………………

    Longknives (887) Says:
    May 9th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    Dick Prebble- I’m also in the (100kg +) ‘Hundy’s club’ and can safely bet I’m physically fitter and have had more luck with the ladies than you … You sir, are an ass.

    Obviously a lot of highly sensitive/insecure people on this forum.

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  64. nasska (12,101 comments) says:

    BlairM

    Quite possibly because although taking the religious/conservative nutbar line of opposing free contraception he hasn’t the stones to articulate the other part of the equation. The country can’t afford to pay the DPB to career breeders now so perhaps he could tell us who or what will pay for the extra kids born into welfare dependent, one parent “families”.

    Will God provide or will the taxpayer? Perhaps they’ll survive on the gruel grudgingly given through church sponsored soup kitchens.

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  65. Redbaiter (10,421 comments) says:

    “I don’t understand why so many people who are supposedly classical liberal are prepared to put the boot in when he is actually articulating classical liberalism!”

    You should.

    They’re all (well, most anyway) about as politically ignorant as you would expect to find in what is basically a one party state.

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  66. Letterman (178 comments) says:

    The Prime Minister may need to retract somewhat: http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/22444/Kiwi-women-most-promiscuous-in-the-world

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  67. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    i wd like to put my hand up as a previously promiscuous male…

    ..and i have met very few women who are more promiscuous than the average male..

    ..craig is a throwback…

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  68. wiseowl (978 comments) says:

    Lefty media are trying to kill off Conservatives as they realise they are tapping into the right veins of kiwis.

    At least TV3’s coverage of Colin Craig was more balanced and I bet the majority of New Zealanders were nodding their heads in agreement with his comments.

    He is actually articulating the views of most National supporters.

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  69. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    i wd like to put my hand up as a previously promiscuous male…

    We know. We’re paying for it.

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  70. adze (2,130 comments) says:

    :)

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  71. Steve (North Shore) (4,537 comments) says:

    Dick Prebble (10.35) is proof that Auckland needs a 15 story whorehouse.
    Even the fat guys, and the small dick guys need to get laid. Which one are you Dick Prebble?
    What’s that? You don’t do those things? You stay at home and masturbate? Want a condom so you don’t get yourself pregnant?

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  72. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    “..We know..”

    no.. i was monogomous by then…

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  73. Letterman (178 comments) says:

    More evidence that Mr Key’s dismissal of Mr Craigs claims may have been somewhat premature (no pun intended) – check out page 260 (Graph):

    http://psych.mcmaster.ca/dalywilson/commentary_schmitt.pdf

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  74. Letterman (178 comments) says:

    Page 260 (Scattergraph):

    http://psych.mcmaster.ca/dalywilson/commentary_schmitt.pdf

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  75. orewa1 (410 comments) says:

    Key should be promoting the “world’s most promiscuous women” line – isn’t he Minister of Tourism?

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  76. KH (695 comments) says:

    It’s just not true that kiwi girls are the most easy.
    The real easy one’s are in Australia.
    This must be true.
    The TV programme ‘The GC’ just told us so.
    Can this explain the emigration figures?

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  77. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    “i wd like to put my hand up as a previously promiscuous male…”

    ……….well you only named one hand philu – how could that be considered promiscuous?

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  78. nasska (12,101 comments) says:

    Patrick Starr

    Apparently the give away is the toilet roll holder and moisturiser dispenser attached to his headboard.

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  79. UpandComer (537 comments) says:

    pish, Craig is a creepy looking dork who girls have never liked so it figures.

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  80. Fiacre (2 comments) says:

    “Letterman (153) Says:
    May 9th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
    Page 260 (Scattergraph):

    http://psych.mcmaster.ca/dalywilson/commentary_schmitt.pdf

    Table 3 & scattergraph show ‘overall national level of sociosexuality’ (sociosexuality = ‘promiscuity’) and doesn’t appear to have separate gender data. Also, NZ sample size 256 students (male = 104, female = 152); I tend to not take very seriously sociological studies that use students as representative of an entire country.

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  81. Rodzigzag (1 comment) says:

    My name is Rod I am Brazilian and I have 33 years old . I’ve been living in NZ for last 8 years i had a kiwi partner for 5 years I travel around the world a bit and I live in Italia when I was 20 , I can tell with no doubt you you guys really dont give a fuck !
    Kiwi woman it is the most easy , sluts you can get , I do have a lot kiwi female friends some with partners and I totally don’t get how a woman with a minimum of education background can behave like that . Now whats been happening they discovered Brazil as shop cocks ! It is true for past year 4 of good friends travel to Brazil to have sexual turism and some of this cases end up bring young brazilian guys back to country , the worse thing is : Isn’t to actually to have a stead relationship , is just to fact to have a kind of trophy which as you guys know doesn’t last longer .I was one myself and one last things I remember was : I you not so exotic anymore ! I am still enjoy my time in Aoteroa but for sure I will take this kiwi experience with me and I leave .

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  82. catmatt (2 comments) says:

    Actually Finland and Ireland rake higher for promiscuous women… However understand… NZ women tend to be as sexually active as men and in some instances more… Abortion has a very high cost in NZ, talking over $ 1k per abortion… I believe condoms should be provided free of charge as these are the cheapest method and reduce STI’s, not 100% but they are better to use than medical birth control where no protection is used to reduce the risk of either party(ies) from STI’s… The root of this promiscuous problem probably comes from lack of love and also lack of self worth and affection. NZ is not an affectionate culture and lacks in expressing feelings or care- it is a stoic culture. Overall people need less sex who receive unconditional love or support from their friends and family. Since this is lacking in NZ culture (not saying other cultures or families lack) women will seek this love and attention through having sex as women need more emotional attention and support than men. Also alcohol use is a big problem among the NZ population as a whole but also among the female population who drink and get drunk then have unprotected sex. Medical birth control can fail with heavy alcohol use. SEX WORK is also decriminalized in NZ so women can charge to have sex.. if a condom breaks then… I do not believe it is the tax payers duty to pay for women’s abortions but on the other hand, the tax payers will have to pay for each child born in the long run. Abortion costs are too high in NZ and the UK and US offer them for much less cost so they are affordable… NHS in UK pays for women’s abortions but they still have a high teenage pregnancy rate in UK so I am not sure if this is the answer. Many things need to be considered before eliminating abortion access to women free of charge… As I said the cost of an abortion in NZ is higher than most Western countries and the lack of emotional expression or support within the culture is another factor that may drive women to seek alcohol and sex to find meaning in their lives, causing them to be more at risk of an unwanted pregnancy.

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