Louis Crimp
May 19th, 2012 at 11:00 am by David FarrarOh dear, where do I start. A revealing interview by David Fisher:
Mr Crimp, a multimillionaire businessman, said he was inspired by Dr Brash’s controversial 2004 Orewa speech and supported Act when the former National Party leader took over as Act’s leader last year.
“I supported Act because I thought Brash would go along the way for Maoris to be treated like equal New Zealanders … they don’t get any more than a normal New Zealander and we’re all the same.
So far so good. A perfectly normal view.
I know white New Zealanders want the Maoris to be treated like ordinary New Zealanders.”
Then it starts to go down hill. Referring to “white” New Zealanders and also referring to “the Maoris” as if they are a separate species.
Mr Crimp said Act should have taken a harder line on Maori during the election even if it led to public outcry. “All the white New Zealanders I’ve spoken to don’t like the Maoris, the way they are full of crime and welfare.”
Oh my God. Mr Crimp is from Invercargill, but that doesn’t excuse such bigotry.
Asked if his political views could be labelled racist, he said: “I don’t give a stuff what I’m called. You have to look at the facts and figures. This is the problem with New Zealanders. Most of them dislike the Maoris intensely – I won’t say hate – but they don’t like to say so.”
Thankfully Mr Crimp is wrong. Most New Zealanders dislike racists intensely, not “the Maoris”.
He said there was such nervousness among those he expressed his views to that he would ask if they had Maori blood.
Oh God. How very sad.
Tags: Louis Crimp
May 19th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Bigotry isn’t in short supply unfortunately. This guy is doing no-one any favours.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 11:17 am
I bet Act wish this donation was anonymous.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 11:24 am
“Thankfully Mr Crimp is wrong. Most New Zealanders dislike racists intensely, not “the Maoris”
I think you are wrong on this one. Most NZ…I dont say all , but a bloody large number would agree with what this man is saying.
Why are people labelled racist for just speaking out on overtly racist policies that are against New Zealanders? Maori are the ones who continually blow on about ” our people this ” and our people that ” They are the ones who are dividing NZ.
I take my hat off to the man.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 11:26 am
…and sure…maybe he should remove the word ” white “…but how else do you refer to a kiwi when making the point ?
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Great to see a guy not intimidated by the PC Nazis and telling it like it is.
Reminds me of NZ before the fascist liberals/ progressives/ Marxists became culturally dominant.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 11:36 am
BTW Mr. Farrar, since when have you ever been so ready to label John Key’s good partners in The Maori Party racist for the smears they have made against “white” Europeans.
Pandering to racists by the John Key National government is the real problem here, far more damaging to NZ than what Louis Crimp is saying.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 11:37 am
I agree with LAJ.
Vote:For my part, I don’t “hate” Maori but I am utterly weary – sick and tired – of the divisive BS spouted by the likes of Hone Harawira and the rest of his clan.
Utterly sick of “Waitangi Day” too. I suspect that a massive number of New Zealanders feel likewise. There is a difference between feeling worn-out and knackered about “Maori issues”, and actually hating Maori.
( I will admit, however, to hating Hone Harawira and his clan. They are moaning stirrers and do NOTHING for Maori. )
I have no problem at all with the good assets bases that tribes like Ngai Tahu and Tuwharetoa have got as a result of settlements.
May 19th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Agree with RB. Key has followed on from klarkula brown nosing the maori vote at the expense of race relations in NZ. No wonder good people like Mr Crimp speak out.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 11:43 am
..and while Im at it…John Ansell , another good man shot down in flames by the hand wringers and panderers.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 11:53 am
“Oh my God. Mr Crimp is from Invercargill, but that doesn’t excuse such bigotry.”
Heh, was that intentional?
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
“Oh dear ,where do I start…..”
That says it all really. This country is drowning in PC “beltway” isolationism.
Crimp speaks the truth that the MSM,academia,all state institutions,and the major political parties refuse to address.
Brash said it at Orewa and polls showed 80% of the country agreed. Then the media etc got to work on him and laughed at his view of “mainstream” New Zeaalnd and ensured he became unelectable.The National Party has gone the same way….policy to abolish the apartheid seats my arse.
We don’t have an independant media and we certainly don’t have representative government.
We need binding referenda.A true voice for the people of New Zealand. Our MPs and political parties don’t represent us.
Every thing Crimp said I for one agree with and I know an awful lot of people who think the same but who are literally afraid to say it publiclly………oh dear what a sad state of affairs in our “advanced democracy”.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Wow. I read this article this morning and am kinda glad – just like the hate speech that Don Brash spread in Orewa a few years back – when ppl with such polarising opinions rear their heads, we all get an opportunity to take part in a really difficult conversation.
Being of Maori AND Pakeha descent, I am extremely proud of both and consider myself to be 100% of each. I find it so so sad when ppl try to cut giant pieces of themselves out and then justify their personal shame by raging at the very manifestation of their own lack of self-worth.
NZ will get there. We just need to wait for old buggers like Don, John and Louis to eventually run out of steam… it’s kinda telling that Don didn’t last 5mins in the ACT seat and John is about to go down the gurgler… seems the country has already spoken.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
It’s one thing to hate an attitude or behaviour that appears prevalent within a group, another to hate the group itself.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
As usual DPF you are ready to “bash” the south when you are talking about Lew Crimp.
Vote:I don’t share Crimp’s views but I can tell you that away from your trendy liberal Wellington haunts,Circa Theatre,Downstage,Te Papa and your elite coffee bars, things and attitudies are much more Crimp’s way than yours. People have had a gutsful of pc a la race relations.
That’s why so many people dislike Wellingtonions, including the Hurricanes!!!!
I listened to the Rural National Programme this morning from 7.00-8.00 and they had a master carver kaumatua from the Coromandel speaking. Great, except he talked to the listening audience in Maori for five minutes. Then he answered questions in Engtlish As though saying “Up yours” to the 99% who speak English.
Sometimes I wonder whether you want to identify with the weak handed effete liberals.Conservative – hardly.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
The media made a big deal of Colin Craig having prayer meetings at work, but how often do government departments and schools have to participate in Maori religious ceremonies. Trying to get out of these things (as I had to do for my son at school) has to be done quietly and discretely, lest anyone decide that you are a racist. But who knows what gods they invoke in the Maori language? There is a State religion in NZ and it’s not Christianity.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Crimp speaks the truth that the MSM,academia,all state institutions,and the major political parties refuse to address.
No, he doesn’t.
Crimp is a racist and fact is, most NZers are not racist.
It is true that the MSM, academia, all state institutions and the major political parties refuse to address the pervasive and poisonous political correctness that poisons our society today and which Maori, amongst other groups like the unemployed, often take advantage of. Yes that is true and yes that exists and is perpetuated by all of those aforesaid parties refusing to acknowledge that it even exists in the hope that the weak-minded fools incapable of thinking for themselves will allow things like those groups, to do their thinking for them.
And it is true that there are a hell of a lot of NZers who DO recognise this and who DO wish at least one of those groups, in particular the politicians, would drop the pretense and recognise, gee, there is an elephant in the room after all, look, it’s right over there. See? There it is. Yes. A hell of a lot of NZers wish someone, FFS, would say that.
But this has nothing to do with what Crimp is saying. Crimp is saying, Maori are responsible for all of that. He is also, by not talking about other groups who do it like the unemployed, implying that Maori are the only ones responsible for all of that. None of this is correct, not by a long shot.
Those above who conflate this wide-spread sentitment of abhorrence of the politically correct psychobabble bullshit, as Ross Meurant famously put it, with what Crimp is saying, are pretty, pretty, pretty mistaken, in fairly fundamental ways, if they think this really is how the rest of the country thinks.
DPF is correct, Crimp is a racist.
Sadly and slightly ironically, what will happen now, is that all of the aforesaid groups will use their P.C. tactics to re-direct the public’s anger away from Crimp and toward ACT, and the MSM for example will tomorrow, Sunday, be full of pretend self-righteous outrage at how awful ACT is for entertaining such a creature within their midst and it just goes to show what an awful man Brash really is. All of which of course is completely false. Brash is and always has been a man of huge integrity, his Orewa speech was not about discrimination, it was about libertarian principles of equal treatment under the law. Just as ACT’s response here is about its libertarian principle of freedom of opinion. But none of this will matter tomorrow, when all the P.C. creatures get together to cackle over this “outrageous” display of outright racist hatred against the poor innocent Maowi.
Fuck it’s so predictable it would be funny, if it wasn’t for the fact many thousands possibly millions of profound idiots in this country will actually believe everything the P.C. idiots say about it and that once again, the reputation of a man of integrity, Brash, gets dragged through the gutter.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Ha!, what a confused bunch you all are.
This is the problem with the right in NZ, they can’t pick a hardened racist when it bites them on the bum, and when they can, they spout off stock standard mantra from the liberal elite handbook.
Lost in the moral vacuum I guess.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Of course Crimp is wrong – isn’t he ?
Vote:At least he has enough guts to say what he thinks and whilst some may disagree others may think he has a point or two, and the freedom to make them.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Lucia
Spot on there about the Maori prayer thing.
It seems no school or local body can open anything without the now mandatory Maori “blessing”.
It never fails to astound me at the screaming silence such state sponsored religiosity is met with from the usual vociferously anti Christian bigots. And who pays for the indiginists to turn out at dawn for these ceremonies? No one asks or seems to care.
Labour MPS are against prayer in parliament. Not one Green swore on the Bible at opening . But they seem to fall over themselves for the Maori religion,strange that.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Crimp really should pay his bills before he hands $125K out to a dead dog…
Vote:http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/6950115/Quake-report-too-expensive
May 19th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
I think DPF was suggesting that Mr. Crimp’s views (and he is entitled to his views, and has got them from a lifetime of media watching), do not reflect reality. Aside from the unfortunate choices of labels for the various groups he has observed in the media he is well within his right as a tax payer to question how that money is spent.
The difficulty we have is in a socialist country, we are expected to happily shoulder the burden of our comrades who through no fault of their own are less fortunate in our community. We do this because if roles were reversed they would do the same for us. If we fall on hard times in the future we may be in need of such support, and they will be there for us. It is based on good faith that the golden rule (do unto others…) applies universally.
The problem comes when we do not have a homogeneous society and see people of different cultures and values (lets talk about these rather than mere genetics, of which we are 99.99% the same) receiving benefits and not in good faith showing any intention of reciprocity. This builds in a grudge factor, because it appears that those doing the receiving are breaking the social contract with those doing the giving, and the arbiter of that contract (the Government) has taken sides with those who break the contract. And because that arbiter has the power to lock you up if you refuse to “give” via your taxes the grudge turns to vexation. The arbiter has taken sides because they maintain power and position if they pander to those doing the receiving.
Mr Crimp has chosen his words poorly, leaving him exposed to the charge of “racism” (recall, correlation does not equal causation), however his frustration is very real, and I would say, legitimate.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Haha @Neil – I too, hate the Hurricanes!! please tho, if I could suggest another way of looking at the kaumatua’s appraoch to using his bi-lingual skill set?
It’s called manners e hoa (my friend), manners and a quiet determination to not let his culture die. This country has TWO official languages and it is the old mans legal RIGHT (not privilege as some might call it) to use whichever of those languages he pleases.
In order to make his korero (his conversation) accessible to not just the Reo speakers but also the majority of the country – he chose to answer his patai (questions) in English – thereby allowing those who don’t speak the Reo to gather context on the discussion.
It’s a bit sad that you think an old man, proud of who he is and skilled in an art form that is prized not just in this country but internationally (and also brings enormous cultural mana to ALL of us) – a man whom has been INVITED to speak on air is then thought of as being divisive and arrogant when trying to be nothing more than inclusive.
Meanwhile, to adze – I concur. Ppl need to separate out whether they’re socio-political anaylsts or racists. The two are quite different in my experience.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Ummmmm, guys. The whole ‘Maori’ prayer thing? Lol, I think you’ll find that most Maori prayers these days are actually Christian in content. Clue: if the prayer ends in; Amine – it’s a Christian blessing.
Everyone can stand down – you are not all being indoctrinated by stealth into some pagan faith base
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Leaping Jimmy – and the MSM for example will tomorrow, Sunday, be full of pretend self-righteous outrage at how awful ACT is for entertaining such a creature within their midst and it just goes to show what an awful man Brash really is.
Why wait until tomorrow –
Dr Sharples said Mr Crimp was “out on his own … this guy – where does he get off?”
He said he had worked well with Act Party MPs.
“If Mr Crimp told the Act Party that’s the reason he’s giving them the money, they should have turned him down.”
Act’s president, Chris Simmons, said he disagreed with Mr Crimp on some areas but respected his right to have a view.
He said he saw Maori culture as “part of our culture”.
“One of the beauties of the Act Party is we believe everyone should have their say.
“That’s his view.”
Mr Simmons said the party would take Mr Crimp’s money again.
Mr Banks, Act’s sole MP, did not respond to calls.
Shortly after Mr Crimp’s donation, a squabble erupted inside the Act Party over its election advertising plans.
Advertising guru John Ansell quit the party after adverts he designed asking Kiwis if they were “Fed up with the Maorification of Everything” were cancelled.
– although tomorrow they may have found where John Banks is hiding
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Act will say they are not a racist or a bigotry party.. Yeah Right. I have always maintained all not most NZers are in one way or another.. It’s just that with Act members its blatantly obvious towards Maori. Act’s political support reflects its not exstream in NZ as I would suggest it is the same for those within Maoridom towards europeans. The media highlight and magnify small pockets of our society that do not reflect national opinion.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
this all just confirms the south island is full of racist/bigoted white-flighters..
..i have long advocated we sell the place..
..(with the proceeds divided equally for all..)
.with the condition that north islanders have visitation/living/setting up business there..rights..
..in perpetuity..
..what’s not to love about all that..?
..let them all sit there..freezing their sorry arses off…
…in their white-paradise..
(an abiding sth island memory:..sitting in a vehicle in the main street of invercargill..
..with two bogan/inbred white trash teenagers sitting on a bus-stop seat..within earshot..
..talking about life in general..and ‘murries’ in particular…
..ignorance/pure-racism that was eye-watering..)
..fuck them..!..the place is only warm enough to visit for about six weeks of the year…(if you are lucky..)
..sell it..!
(yours in non-solidarity..from the balmy climes of the only real modern city in new zealand..)
phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
As if ACT did not have enough problems already. I am strongly opposed to race based seats but I am as strongly opposed racist – white or brown. Colin Craig has proved that money on its own cannot but votes. I think Mr Crimp’s racists comments will cost more votes than his donation will got.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
racist/inbred sth island white-trash..
..are the effluvia of the anglo saxon culture..
phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
“I think Mr Crimp’s racist comments will cost more votes than his donation….”
How? When I last looked ACT were polling at 0%. Hard to go much lower.
The reality is that Crimp is a publicity-seeking nutter. He is right that many Kiwis are exasperated or angry at the special treatment being lavished on Maori, but totally wrong to say these people “dislike Maori intensely.” That is utter rubbish.
Sad for ACT that such support as they still have comes from extremists like this.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
but with act flat-lining on 0% for successive polls…
..we are really just picking over the corpse..
..phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
After a 1965 world tour that included Invercargill, Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards reputedly called the city ‘the arsehole of the world’. The Mayor of Invercargill said they were pleased to have them passing through.
You, Phil, with your “abiding sth island memory:..sitting in a vehicle in the main street of invercargill..” would surely have been further pleasure to them … when your moved on.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
So racial stereotypes are not OK but it’s OK to stereotype people from Invercargill. Go fuck yourself and your double standards DPF.
[DPF: Yes it is fine to stereotype people based on where they live.]
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
It sounds like Mr Crimp doesn’t actually know any Maori, so all he knows of Maori is what he’s seen in the news – beneficiaries and criminals. But in the real world, there are all these boring, ordinary Maori with jobs and families and mortgages and all the other unremarkable stuff that people have in their lives. All the Maori I’ve known over the years – both socially and in the workplace – have been as ordinary as my Pakeha friends, with no thrilling life of crime or benefits.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
“..would surely have been further pleasure to them … when your (sic) moved on…”
they didn’t even notice me..
..they were remarkably unaware individuals..and that failing extended to their immediate surroundings..
phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Heh, was it the ACT types who wanted to cleanse NZ of darkies ?
Of course if they asked for volunteers none would be that keen.
Dick Prebble come on Invercargill is the arsehole of the world, just look at the amount of shit you have with scum like Crimp.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
ACT are no more racist than any other party…and less so than most. They want one standard of citizenship for all and equal rights before the law….yeah…so “racist.”
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Goodness gracious me.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Sad thing is that if wankers like Chuck and co went where they belonged and that isn’t ACT, then ACT would not have inhertied Banks and would have used Ansells work and would have cleaned up.
The we would have got rid of the sanctimonous shit like this.
There seems to be little recognition of the Maori blood, sweat and tears” that made Affco into a successful business.
These words, from Waikato-Tainui executive board chair Tom Roa, formed part of the heavyweight’s first public move in the standoff between the Meat Workers Union and owners of the Affco empire, the Talley family.
From my knowledge of that industry Maori were over paid for most of what they did. Many were involved in large scale theft from the works, many made it their pastime to behave in a manner that was not in the interests of either the plant they worked in, the customers who the plants supplied, the suppliers nor themselves and now apparently they “shed blood sweat and tears for AFFCO. ”
Well I guess that one stupid ignorantly wrong version of history. soon it will be written into the treaty as gospel.
What absolute tripe.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/6950264/Tainui-leader-urges-Talleys-to-end-strife
This fellow is not a leader, he is a space filler making noise. Somewhat like unionists do whilst getting paid. If thoise people want work and wagews then they should do what the sensible have done and work as required by the company. If they don’t want that then fuck off to Aussie. we don’t need them.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
The problem with these people who supposedly “tell it like it is” is that their reality they have constructed is so misconstrued that what they claim is happening is as far away from the truth as possible. For a start his definition of “New Zealander” clearly means white, christian, and certainly nobody with “hardly any clothes on, waving spears and poking their tongues out, all painted up.” I don’t want to get in to one of the tedious they-were-here-first arguments, but I will say they have an equal right to the claim New Zealander as any Pakeha does, or any race for that matter. The term New Zealander, the way I see it, is entirely subjective now. If you feel like a New Zealander, you are, regardless of skin colour. And that is in no way a bad thing.
Vote:“Every opportunity the Maoris get they have to do this war dance, whether it is for a funeral or something happy or a wedding. They feel they have to take all their clothes off, stick tongues out and wave spears. That’s not New Zealand.”
The reality is that that has been done in New Zealand for far longer than any Anglo-Saxon traditions. Just because they are now a minority of the population (which is really the fault of immigration from overseas, due to introduced disease, war, and historical abuses of the treaty) does not dilute the fact whatsoever. Ultimately his words are born out of self-interest and fear of a perceived threat to what he sees as his way of life, and certainly not out of concern for New Zealand as a whole, or the best interests of Maori.
Poverty and crime are issues that take a generation to solve even with direct government intervention. Unfortunately I think a lot of people are impatient, and expect to see a problem that has been brewing for 150 years to be solved quickly with a bit of government spending. It takes long term vision, patience, and a focus on targeting the next generation, as it won’t be until they’ve matured that we’ll reap the benefits of any affirmative action done now. It certainly does not take prejudice, impatience and ignorance.
As for the cries of political correctness gone mad, Stewart Lee made a great point about it.
“And if there is some fallout from this [political correctness], which means that someone in an office might get in trouble one day for saying something that someone was a bit unsure about because they couldn’t decide whether it was sexist or homophobic or racist, it’s a small price to pay for the massive benefits and improvements in the quality of life for millions of people that political correctness has made.”
May 19th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
A lot of the people in here Louis Crimp would call his base. I just call them base.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
* yawn *…you’re such a cocksmoker phil..
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Crimp should have focused his comments on the government level of racist affirmative action for Maoris. Then he should have proceeded to criticize Key’s disgusting pandering to the racist Maori Party – it’s not like DPF will ever do it!
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
“Sad thing is that if wankers like Chuck and co went where they belonged and that isn’t ACT”
Why do you not use your real name you cowardly scum bag?
Who do you think was behind Banks replacing Rodney you know all fuck wit?
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Political parties need money to function – that’s a simple reality. One of the most amusing misconceptions about ACT is that it is or was drowning in money; that John B or whoever was in charge of fundraising at the time just had to pick up the phone to one of scores of “rich pricks” backing ACT and $100,000 would come flying in. If only.
This reminds me a bit of Bob Jones very publicly making a donation years ago to the Womens Refuge or Rape Crisis or one of those organisations. It was televised – possibly at his insistence. The women accepting the cheque looked less keen than the Israeli Prime Minister shaking Yasser Arafat’s hand at Bill Clinton’s urging. But they took the money; they needed it.
And for the record, if there were any hard line racists in the ACT heirarchy I never noticed them, and I would have. My estranged wife always complained about my hyper-sensitivity to racial slurs or attitudes towards her.
As for “political correctness”, it is simply a manifestation of totalitarianism. I truly believe it is fair to compare it to Nazism – Adolf told his flock how to think too.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Aucklandnative (12.56)
“I think you’ll find that most Maori prayers these days are actually Christian in content. Clue: if the prayer ends in; Amine – it’s a Christian blessing.”
So what? It’s still a religious imposition.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
As for “political correctness”, it is simply a manifestation of totalitarianism. I truly believe it is fair to compare it to Nazism – Adolf told his flock how to think too.
Of course it is Dave.
Which makes it all the more remarkable that all the institutions that practice it and promote it would throw their hands up in Quelle Horreur at the very thought it has such an origin. But it does.
Which shows there is a huge number of people in those institutions who are profoundly and I mean profoundly, really totally fucking stupid plus it shows there is a much smaller number of people in those very same institutions who are actually profoundly really totally evil, as well.
Those institutions of course being: MSM, academia, all state institutions and the major political parties.
BTW, it’s less facist and more communist, so really, it’s the commies who use it most, so not Germany, but Soviet Russia is the most accurate statement of origin, although Goebbels was all over it as well, of course. Naturally.
“Frankfurt School and Cultural Marxism” is a good keyword to google for those who don’t understand their history as it applies here, today.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Irrelevant. Plenty of identically bigoted commenters here, and they aren’t all from Invercargill. There’s a subset of squitty-eyed pea-brained overinflated redneck crap threaded throughout the entire country, as your commenters demonstrate.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Judging by this quaint old loony’s comments, ACT’s current poll rating is rather higher than the party deserves. Goodby and good riddance.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
it is easy to get a bad photo isn’t it farrar, you are a pc parody of yourself already.
Vote:Crimp repeats what thousands of we rednecks think.
you make me sick Farrar,
and if you are the arbiter of social acceptance , you fat bastard farrar, then Nat is dead
go on Farrar, if its ok for you to downgrade people then its ok for us fat
May 19th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
I dislike what Mr Crimp said simply because he includes me in his views.
Mr Crimp, however is entitled to those views and, in a “free” society, entitled to express them.
For the record I don’t like some Maoris, much as I dislike the many bed-wetter-type racists who have commented so far on here – nonMaori to a man/woman obviously.
Funniest by far though is when the journo quotes the leader of the apartheid party (Sharples) criticising Mr Crimp’s racist views. That is pure comedy at it’s best!
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
I remember that speech that Don Brash gave at Orewa. I believe it was titled ‘One law for all’. In the largest poll I saw, of around 40,000 people (which is rather large for NZ), he had the support of 90%. It was that speech that brought National back from the dead after their poor showing at the 2002 election. Key and co. seem to have forgotten about that with their pandering to the professional Maori.
I believe it is pretty hard for most non-Maori kiwis to be racist about Maori because if you are anything like me you will have friends, workmates and family who are Maori. What so many of us are sick of is the pandering to what was a not very nice culture, the bullshit Treaty claims that only ever benefit a few, and the never ending ‘poor me’ crap that Maori use as an excuse for not pulling their weight.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
So in one breath DPF you agree with Crimp re maoris …’being treated like equal New Zealanders’ and yet you support the race based, biased approach taken by National in elevating this race to an unequal position that is beyond the pale.
The damage has been done by National and if they don’t stop the race , pandering this country is destined for a shocking time in the not too distant future.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
john.bt: Can’t disagree with much of that…
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
and the never ending ‘poor me’ crap that Maori use as an excuse for not pulling their weight.
@ john.bt
I would agree with it with one change
and the never ending ‘poor me’ crap that SOME Maori use as an excuse for not pulling their weight.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
“..what’s not to love about all that..?
..let them all sit there..freezing their sorry arses off…
…in their white-paradise..”
Phil, why are you so racist?
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
DPF it was great to see you accept the fact you regard southerners as racial when you said its ok to stereotype people based on where they live.
Vote:What a lot of cr.. !!!! It might be in your own mind. Perhaps my private attitude to so called liberal Wellingtonians and Aucklanders is correct
I suppose you will accept that Bill English comes from the south and is deputy prime minister. I know he lives in Wellington for the sake of his family and family life.
As for Philu, he is another flat earther, supporting a party with no profile in the South at all.
Its great to see some people taking the …. out of southerners !!!!! Real authorities on the south just like me in the North Island !!!!!!!
May 19th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
“Mr Crimp is from Invercargill”
Typical ‘liberal’ double standard comment.
DPF may know that there are actually quite a few Maori in Invercargill/Riverton/Bluff. I’d also wager that the average white middle-class Khandallah Wellingtonian is more prejudiced that the average white Southlander.
But that’s the beauty of living in Wellington… you never think about anywhere else.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
philu, got a job yet?
I think it is you who most closley resembles the effluvia of society, must be a shame to look at that in the mirror every morning.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
In my opinion most people are racist to a greater or lesser degree. Maybe racism is built into the human psyche? When cavemen had to protect their own clan and kill the other.
The bulk of racism is muttered quietly between close family and friends. The facts are certainly that maori are overrepresented in negative statistics. So, you think maori, you think jail, crime, drug use, gangs, and bludging.It’s constantly stated as so in the media.
And, is it really ‘racist’ to say ‘maori are lazy’. They do receive a lot of social welfare, and won’t get off their butts to do the hard jobs.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
“The facts are certainly that maori are overrepresented in negative statistics. ”
The same is true about homosexuals. I wonder what happen if Mr Crimp mentioned that or could he possibly be one?
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Of course you can stereotype people based on where they choose to live. People almost always make a conscious choice to live somewhere where they feel that they fit in, and that their values system is reflected by those around them. stereotyping someone’s personality based on what colour skin they were born with is a bit different.
As someone who is a bit of an authority on the South, I can say that there is more of a tendency towards casual racism down that way. Can’t decide if it’s because of the rural hick influence, or just the scarcity of everyday interaction with actual Maori people meaning that you lot think all Maoris are either bene bludgers or like Harawira.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
“It was an embarrassment at the Rugby World Cup, [Maori] coming to shore in canoes, with hardly any clothes on, waving spears and poking their tongues out, all painted up.”
I entirely agree. If that’s what you call “culture” then you can shove it.
NZ can do far better than this stone age cannabilistic rubbish.
Best consigned to the dustbins of history rather than exhibited to the world as any kind of example of what civilized people might do in NZ.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
@salt
Vote:What a parody, who are these “actual Maori people” you describe?
May 19th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Do you doubt their existence V?
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
NZ can do far better than this stone age cannabilistic rubbish.
I missed the cannabilistic bits, I would have thought that would have got more publicity.
RB must want to go back to a diffferent stone age, his good old days must have been different ones.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Redbaiter must be a prime candidate for a stroke or heart attack. Being perpetually outraged about everything all the time can’t be good for one’s health.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
@salt
Vote:Of course not, but why the need to use the phrase “actual Maori”. How would one know if you are speaking with an “actual Maori” as opposed to someone with Maori heritage or of Maori descent?
Please enlighten us …
May 19th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
What is wrong with using the term “white”? It is not offensive as David Farrar suggets in his post. I am white and proud of it.
Mr Crimp has some extreme views and I don’t agree that most people dislike Maoris, in fact to do so is racist. it is also racist to believe that a race of people should be treated differently to another simply because they are Maori. So that is why I support one law for all.
Vote:ACT (unlike the National Party) believes in equality of opportunity regardless of race. No special treatment for Maori. To believe in anything else is racist.
I think Fisher and the Herald are trying to discredit ACT and somehow think the extreme views of one of its supporters will do that. It shouldn’t because every Party will have such supporters, imagine what some of the more extreme Mana Party supporters want.
May 19th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Dr Sharples said Mr Crimp was “out on his own … this guy – where does he get off?”
Yes he is out on his own. Unlike Pita Sharples who presumably is not out on his own, but represents a widespread view that the non-brown are the “enemy”:
“Why are we fighting whakapapa against whakapapa? There’s so much enemy that isn’t brown.” P Sharples, March 2009
Read more: http://www.3news.co.nz/Key-comfortable-with-Sharples-gang-meeting-/tabid/419/articleID/125944/Default.aspx#ixzz1vIAc8ea9
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
“..Phil, why are you so racist?..”
i’m really fucken racist about racists..
..eh..?
phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
No Phil, about white people. Assuming they are all racist is racist itself. And also assumes that you are racist.
Something tells me this is a bit too much for your small brain.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
i didn’t say ‘all white people are racists’..
..what i did say is that white-trash racism is alive and thriving in the south island..
..from that centre of/for white-flight nelson at the top..
..to the home of crimp at the bottom..
…with the centre of white-power..christchurch..in the middle..
..(and of course so many of them running animal concentration camps/being animal-slavers..)
..of course scattered in this sea of racism are the usual exceptions to the rule..
..i don’t know how they can tolerate being surrounded by such easy/off-hand race-hate..
..i would be snarling at everyone uttering that bile..
..best i stay here…(in one of the most multi-cultural suburbs in the city/country of the future..)
..(btw..i have as much disdain for the white ghettos in auckland..and go nowhere near them
..see..you can choose yr world up here..
..down there it is just thrust upon you)
phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
If you replace white with Maori in that response, do you think it’s racist?
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Pete George: “I missed the cannabilistic bits, I would have thought that would have got more publicity.”
Maybe it’s a typo for cannabistic.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
@v Oh I see. I used that phrase in the context of the rest of the sentence – ie, to refer to real people who are Maori, rather than just ideas of what maori are like. But yeah it was a poor choice of description.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
I believe we will see some real problems with our so-called ‘race-relations’ when Chris (what conflict of interest?) Finlayson starts giving away thousands of kilometres of our beaches to his Professional Hori bros. I wonder what will happen when I will have to pay to go on a beach but my grandchildren won’t .
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Zapper, what you don’t understand is that it’s not racist when a nice person like philu says it.
Only when anybody else does.
… eh? …
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
rg: Well said. Mr Fisher is on an almost personal crusade to destory ACT…mind you they are doing a pretty good job of that all on their own right now…Give the man his due though, he knows where to find the muck….
john.bt: None of these silly small “l” liberals have the faintest clue what a terrible piece of legislation that was….it is going to be a disaster
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
There was always going to be calls of racist, from the most racist is our society Maori.
Vote:Being of Maori decent, I agree with his comments, to many are criminals and too many are beneficiaries.
Maori rate at the top of all the bad statistics. Racists like Pita Sharples, who is one of the countries highest paid beneficiaries, should STFU unless they have something sensible to say, like own the problem rather than make sad arse generational excuses.
Anyway I’m off overseas for a holiday; don’t like spending my hard earned overtaxed dollar in NZ. Especially, when I can get better value overseas.
May 19th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Very true Graham. I grew up in Christchurch and I really don’t know where this racist idea comes from. Sure there are some bad eggs, but in general it is no different to any other part of NZ. Except the rugby team wins a lot of trophies.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Radio New Zealand at 5 o’clock led the news with this story.
Next item was 79% of Nelson voters rejected Maori wards . The mayor who supported maori wards was disappointed. The result is binding hahhahahaaha.
Nelson mayor wants voters to be educated on how important the issue is.”We know best……..” bloody typical.
I reckon that 80% would be repeated across the country on this maorification of New Zealand culture ,society and politics.As mentioned earlier the Orewa speech was well supported evrey where other than the media,pollies ,commentariat….
Go for it Notional. Put your money where your mouth is and let’s have true representative democracy in New Zealand.Referenda on important social and financial issues.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
i didn’t say ‘all white people are racists’..
..what i did say is that white-trash racism is alive and thriving in the south island..
And I guess your ranting means brown trash racism is alive and thriving in the North Island?
Do you know how you can pick a North Island Maori in the South Island Phil?, their shitty attitude to white folks down here. Usually once they lower their guard a bit they realize that white folk in the South Island are actually on the whole pretty friendly, but unfortunately, not many lower their guard.
I think your “Island” has enough problems of it’s own, perhaps you could focus on those instead of dismissing the entire South Island due to the comments of one f@ckwit.
Oh, and if you keep it up we’re going to turn off your f@cking power.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
“..:Oh, and if you keep it up we’re going to turn off your f@cking power…”
yeah..?..
..and we’ll stop subsidising you to run animal concentration camps/killing-fields/be animal-slavers…
..and fucking the rivers/land/environment while you are at it..
..eh…?
phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
I formally declare war on the North Island!
And you bastards can’t fight back because aunty Helen sold the air force and we’re really good at shooting stuff from the beach!!
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Geez phil, no wonder no-one engages you. You get shown up as you have on this thread and you ignore it, meanwhile turning to personal abuse (I’m well aware you get abused also, but you’re far from lily white).
And seriously, you think you subsidise anyone? How do you do that?
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Phil the pill whore. This must be the only site that hasn’t banned your sorry arse.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
“..white folks down here..”
..yee-haw..!
phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
I know someone who says the legal age of consent should be 12 who votes for the Greens, and another person who calls asian people ching-chongs, to their face, and he votes Labour.
If the Left really want to go down this track, I would suggest someone who owns a polling company use a small share of his vast resources to poll the political leanings of the NZ prison population.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Funny thing is, in this company, it is actually PC to be racist.
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
So DPF is saying that to be racist is to be normal. Still so far so good?
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
“and we’ll stop subsidising you… ” Whaaat?
“…we’ll stop…”
What do you mean by ‘we’ ???
It is more than a tad hypocritical for a long term, non productive, self confessed dope headed beneficiary to proffer suggestions how taxpayer money is spent (or not spent).. // .. eh?
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Lucy Hansen the Jew hater commenting on race………hahahahahaha
Vote:May 19th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Chris Laidlaw tomorrow: notice how obsequious and palavery these liberals get with Maori. “___ is a mighty figure in kohanga reo”. If it was a non Maori the introduction would be spoken in a level tone without hiting the high notes….. if that aint racist…..”
Vote:=======================
No ur not racist Phil; ur a racial masochist (and suffer from narcissistic personality disorder).
May 20th, 2012 at 1:30 am
Louis Crimp has a few screws loose. The cold on the south is having an effect on his remaining brain cells. The silly clown is simply after some publicity. Good on him for that but surely he could have come up with something more clever to get attention.
He’s gotta have testicles the size of jellybeans. See how tough or big his nads are if he was to make the same comments in Otara. Nek minit…..
Vote:May 20th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Don’t listen to Laidlaw on Sundays. He is a wingeing left winger, or his writer is.
Vote:He only picks follow up excerpts that agree with his left wing views.
As a failed Labour MP, and other things, he is not worth the time – cannot see why RNZ keep him on, must have friends in high places.
May 20th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
JUST BECAUSE HIS SHIT DONT STANK AND ALL THE REST OF YOU WHO THINK HE’S THE MAN! MONEY TALKS BITCHES!! OF COURSE THESE IDIOTS WILL TAKE YA MONEY AND LOVE YOU FOR IT. WHO DOES HE THINK HE IS?? BUT DONT WORRY WE AINT GOING NO WHERE AND WE AINT GONNA CHANGE FOR NOBODY!
Vote:May 20th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
I bet Louis Crimp can’t dance like these guys! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nwm6frRyfE
Vote:May 21st, 2012 at 10:18 am
Louis Crimp is a very sick man with a major illness. When the time finally comes there will be few people in Invercargill mourning.
Vote:May 21st, 2012 at 8:40 pm
WTF?
Vote:May 24th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
What did Louis Crimp say that was racist? Its alright for some maoris to say what they want think about “white” people but when its the other way around they make a huge deal about it. Philu would have to be one of the biggest racists i have ever come across!!! He says that the South Island is full of “racist/inbred/white trash” people and that Christchurch is the centre of white power. I live in Christchurch and it is an awesome city full of many different races, and everyone seems to get along fine.
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