Scott (949) Says:
May 12th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

Actually Dick it was Barack Obama.

You are quite wrong about Jesus. He was the fellow who said if your eye causes you to sin then rip it out. He was the guy who cleared the temple of buyers and sellers twice,once with a whip. And he was the guy who told his best friend not to stand in front of him because he was not fit to do so.

So Jesus is not a fellow to be messed with,then or now.

But look homosexuality is wrong by revelation and reason. It is important to stand up and be counted about what is wrong. Paedophilia is wrong-I think we can all agree on that? Now it is right to condemn paedophilia and those people who commit the crimes are rightly judged.

So is homosexuality wrong. We are not sinning by pointing out to this nation it is going on a wrong path.

And it is good that you are thinking about Jesus. At least that is a start.

Oh yeah, sure… Like sometimes I’ll be walking along the street and see a homeless guy and think about how fragile life is and how dependent we are on material things and then when I get home at night I look up at the stars and wonder if there’s something out there, whether our thoughts and conscience are the result of a greater creator, whether all this could have happened by chance, whether I may be wrong about atheism… But then I just need to hop on to Kiwiblog and read your posts and be reminded that Christians and Christianity is a joke.

Quite right. But he did condemn sin.

He was the guy who cleared the temple of buyers and sellers twice,once with a whip.

This is because at the time Solomon’s temple required Roman sestertii donation and the money changers were charging exhorbitant exchange rates thus creating a barrier to the poor from worshipping to G-D.

Same-sex marriage is a symptom of cultural decay.

This is what people cannot seem to face. In the name of “pweventing discwimination” we’re throwing out the main element of our social stability. This is not the first tenet which has been thrown out: it started with divorce and continues to this day. The common element is feminism.

Cultural decay is the objective and it is clear and present today. If you took a snapshot of late 1950′s western society and compared it to today, you would find no comparison. And if anyone mature understands the social mores of the 50′s, with the hero generation, what the hell is wrong with that? What we see today is no accident but most people get lost in the details (e.g. gay marriage) and fail to see the bigger picture (i.e. social restructuring along enervating lines).

Spare us this baloney about equal rights, tolerance and “homophobia”. As Jeffrey T. Kuhner writes, “This is nonsense. Most Americans are neither intolerant nor bigoted. Rather, they understand that marriage is the basic institution of society. For thousands of years in the West, it has had a privileged role. Marriage solidifies the bonds between a man and a woman, laying the foundation for raising children in stable families. It is the glue that binds a functioning, viable social order. Marriage is the natural unit that enables society to perpetuate itself from one generation to the next. This is not hate; it’s common sense.”

He continues, “Every major religious faith – Christianity, Islam, Orthodox Judaism – teaches that homosexuality is an abomination. Homosexual behavior, especially sodomy, is unnatural and immoral. It is absurd, bordering on social madness, to elevate gay and lesbian relationships to the sanctified status of marriage – a form of moral anarchy characterized by radical individualism, hedonism and sexual liberation. Same-sex marriage is a symptom of cultural decay.

I am addressing the idea we should not judge. So should we leave the shaping of our culture to the atheist?
No the idea of not judging is sure look at our own actions and attitudes first. But we must exercise judgement every day. As you yourself are doing in the other thread on this topic. Now I’ll argue my way and you argue yours.

But you need to give me a break. I am arguing for Biblical Christianity in the same way you are arguing on the other thread.

He was talking to believers.

He was the guy who cleared the temple of buyers and sellers twice,once with a whip.

Directed at hypocritical believers.

And he was the guy who told his best friend not to stand in front of him because he was not fit to do so.

He was addressing a self righteous attitude of a believer.

You should stick to your own house before you start telling the rest of the world how to live.

Your corruption of the character of Christ is disturbing.

You are quite wrong about Jesus. He was the fellow who said if your eye causes you to sin then rip it out. He was the guy who cleared the temple of buyers and sellers twice,once with a whip. And he was the guy who told his best friend not to stand in front of him because he was not fit to do so.

So Jesus is not a fellow to be messed with,then or now.

But look homosexuality is wrong by revelation and reason. It is important to stand up and be counted about what is wrong. Paedophilia is wrong-I think we can all agree on that? Now it is right to condemn paedophilia and those people who commit the crimes are rightly judged.

So is homosexuality wrong. We are not sinning by pointing out to this nation it is going on a wrong path.

And it is good that you are thinking about Jesus. At least that is a start.

Scott (946) Says:
May 12th, 2012 at 10:50 am

It is not bigotry to oppose what is wrong Dick. The Christians and other right minded folks are standing up for marriage,family ,children and what is good in our civilisation.

Well the truth is Scott you and the other Christians who share your view are exactly what is not good in our civilisation. Just because you say something is right or wrong does not make it right or wrong and you aren’t able to see the plank in your own eye everytime you cast judgment on others, which if you truly believed in God, you would know that Jesus said it’s not your place to be condemning others. You are the one who is very unChristian and wrong-minded despite all your grandstanding like a Pharisee.

“We don’t have to debate about what we should think about homosexual activity. It’s written in the Bible as only a union of one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage.”

Dun dun dun…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard

You on the other hand are standing up for sodomy and perversion. And the destruction of marriage which is a universal institution and from the beginning of time has always been the joining of one man and one woman in matrimony.

If only you are able to look at the things you write from an outsider’s perspective, you’re no more credible than a Greek mythologist or Buddhist trying to tell people that the world was created by some gods or Lord who decreed that each man shall have sex with many wives or have no wives since the beginning of time the Titans created the world blah blah blah etc.

To stick it to the Christians, just like they did in California.

There is a big friggin reason support for the homosexual lobby dried up in that state.

Aspects of the homosexual lobby are at least as bad as the worst fundamentalist Christians.

You on the other hand are standing up for sodomy and perversion. And the destruction of marriage which is a universal institution and from the beginning of time has always been the joining of one man and one woman in matrimony.

markra (103) Says:
May 11th, 2012 at 11:05 pm

OOps forgot to mention, that Gays and Lesbians should not expect a Church or anyone to marry them if that person or group doesn’t want to.

Remember Freedom runs both ways. Don’t force your views of Gay marriage on those who don’t approve of Gay Marriage either.

What the fuck makes you think homosexuals would want to get married in Churches – the institutions which have shown them nothing but bigotry all their lives?

The only gay people I can picture wanting to get married in Churches are gay Christians who are still dumb enough to believe in God. At the end of the day it’s a good thing that the Church would seek to alienate them even more and hopefully by doing so will lead them away from Christianity and into the logical, rational choice of atheism.

Remember Freedom runs both ways. Don’t force your views of Gay marriage on those who don’t approve of Gay Marriage either.

This Blog is a waste of space.

Who gives a shit. Let the Homos, root and rim each other to their hearts content.

Who cares?

As long as they don’t make homo sexuality compulsory and they shouldn’t be able to ram it down my throat.

Keep their parades and that to themselves.

Someone elses sexuality has nothing to do with me and I get sick of Fags and Lesbians trying to ram it down my throat. (gay parades and mardi grass and their deviant Aids Foundation)
Let them marry, who really gives a toss.

I get sick and tired of the big deal made out of this very small part of society. There are far more important things to discuss.

Don’t worry it’s not a disease that you will catch.

To you religious zealouts out there, keep your judgements to yourself. If you are true to what you believe in you will know that your god will sort that out on judgement day. Don’t judge and you won’t be.

Do you have maps?

Some of my properties may be affected.

Not that I’m worried of course!

I just want to alert the tenants you understand!

I don’t think it will be that bad. But I think a stand off will occur. A real stand off I mean, not just a slap fight between conservatives and Labour that occurred at the time of civil unions.

Granting a group of people a civil mechanism they want, that Parliament had popular support to do (until NZ had enough and got rid of them in 2008), is different from actively encroaching on the rights of another group.

There will be a face-off, but the state will lose. It will just be interesting to watch.

People forget that Bolger was a believing Catholic, and the current Deputy PM is a believing Catholic, and there are more people going to church on Sunday than Helen Clark, John Campbell and David Farrar would have you believe. And, from my experience, there are a lot of Catholics in the National Party. They may not all stand shoulder to shoulder with the Pope, but they won’t stand for their freedoms being taken from them.