Something for the PSA to really worry about

May 17th, 2012 at 2:00 pm by David Farrar

The Daily Telegraph reports:

Under-performing civil servants will be identified and fired under plans to rank all government officials in order of ability, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.

Now that would be a fun league table to compile!

Sweeping plans to overhaul the civil service are expected to be published within the next month. They are bound to infuriate public sector unions who yesterday staged another day of industrial action.

According to the Cabinet Office, there are currently 434,000 civil servants, the lowest number since the Second World War, as a result of an efficiency drive by the Coalition.

At the time of the last general election, in May 2010, the civil service numbered more than 500,000.

NZ had around 39,000 public servants and it is now around 36,000. A fairly modest 7% reduction compared to the 12% or so in the UK.

However interesting to note the UK has one civil servant per 143 people, and NZ is one per 119 people.

 

 

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24 Responses to “Something for the PSA to really worry about”

  1. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    However interesting to note the UK has one civil servant per 143 people, and NZ is one per 119 people.

    Wouldn’t you expect some economies of scale? England is a huge country compared to NZ.

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  2. Daigotsu (458 comments) says:

    @RRM:

    England = / = The UK

    Although by all means, head into a pub in Caerdydd and start talking about how much you like it in England and see how far that gets you…

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  3. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    Good on you Daigotsu.

    You’ve hit the important issue so squarely on the head.

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  4. lastmanstanding (1,297 comments) says:

    36000 is still far too many. All I want the Gimint to do is deliver the mail defend the shores and get the hell outta my life.

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  5. anonymouse (716 comments) says:

    The UK’s civil servant count is actually much higher, it is just that they are classified as local government staff.

    A large number of (at least English) local councils are in charge of Education and Social Services in their regions, while there is central government funding for these provisions, the actual boots on the ground and the administration is done at the Council level,

    Thus, when compared to NZ, our numbers look high on a per capita comparison, but it really an apple and oranges comparison.

    On a standardised basis (The ILO’s labour stats database http://laborsta.ilo.org/) the UK has about 80% more civil servants per head than NZ.

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  6. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    would be nice to be under 30,000

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  7. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    As anonymouse said – the UK has civil servants for Africa (probably quite literally), far more per capita than here. But then you knew that didnt you DPF. Lies, damned lies etc etc…if it reinforces your view. Dont you normally deride that economy with the truth in others?

    McCully going to roll over in bed again and ask for another attack column in the Listener?

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  8. publicwatchdog (2,597 comments) says:

    Replacing the ‘bureacracy’ with the ‘contractocracy’ has benefited WHO exactly?

    How many CONSULTANTS and PRIVATE CONTRACTORS are now carrying out services which used to be provided ‘in-house’ by directly employed ‘public servants’?

    Where is the ‘cost-benefit’ analysis which PROVES that the ‘CONTRACTOCRACY’ has benefited the public majority as opposed to those who got the contracts?

    HOW were those contracts awarded?

    Where are the ‘Registers of Interests’ which help confirm that there have been no untoward ‘conflicts of interests’ between those who awarded the contracts and those who obtained the contracts?

    Check out the ACTION PLAN to help prevent ‘white collar’ crime, corruption and ‘corporate welfare’ on

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’.

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  9. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    Why does it suddenly smell of batshit round here?

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  10. publicwatchdog (2,597 comments) says:

    You perhaps have your nose too close to your bottom hmmokrightitis (398) ?

    ;)

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’.
    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  11. nasska (11,527 comments) says:

    hmmokrightitis

    Could be that the mad Water Woman has shifted into campaign mode.

    It will get worse!

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  12. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    No, youve not been licking my arse mad woman, I would have noticed.

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  13. Grendel (1,002 comments) says:

    why is it that those with no interests are so interested in other peoples interests?

    i mean penny batshit insane did not care one bit about other peoples property when she was planning on stealing council resources during the occupy crap, so why care about how other people treat it.

    and you daft bint i think you will find that those of us who want less public servants dont want the numbers fudged by not counting contractors. we want less, total!

    btw contractocracy? brilliant word, utterly devoid of any meaning except in the escher painting that is your mind but funny none the less.

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  14. peterwn (3,273 comments) says:

    A confusing issue is how one defines a ‘civil servant’. Those who work in ‘core’ departments are ‘civil servants’. There are then who work for Parliament and ‘close in’ agencies such as MI5 or SIS who are not (AFAIK) ‘true’ civil servants (eg Peter Wright of ‘Spycatcher’ fame was not a ‘true’ civil servant and accordingly denied a pension). Armed Forces, Police, teachers, hospital workers are not regarded as civil servants despite being effectively on the Government payroll. In NZ post office and railways staff were not ‘core’ civil servants despite having pay and conditions equivalent to the ‘core’ public service.

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  15. nasska (11,527 comments) says:

    peterwn

    If you really wish to split hairs then “civil” as an adjective is used in its literal sense to describe ordinary citizens as opposed to those engaged in the military, the judiciary & the church. As far as the Kiwi man on the street is concerned a civil servant is an overpaid, arrogant, clock watching jobsworth whose raison d’etre is to hinder & frustrate the day to day life of those forced to remunerate the parasite.

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  16. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    Hmmm, nasska, lets test that theory shall we?

    Me: Left private sector, with last role paying me $380K per annum. Wanted more time in the same city my wife and kids live in. Now earn $130K working for local government, and have – in the 12 months Ive been doing that – removed close to $500K in overhead from that organisation.

    Like most generalisations, its wrong. And yes, Im on leave today. Fucktard. Just becuase you believe it, does not make it true. I know, Mummy lied, go figure.

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  17. nasska (11,527 comments) says:

    hmmokrightitis

    Let me see if I’ve got this right. You (one person) leaves the private sector for a position in Local Government paying a third of the money. While I can appreciate that your personal circumstances may have made the shift worthwhile you are using your instance (singular) to prove that my assessment of civil servants (a multitude) is grossly wrong.

    In general terms I see nothing wrong with my original statement. If anything it is flattery.

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  18. Mike Readman (363 comments) says:

    Sounds good, but if you’ve read Nineteen Eighty-Four which was written by a former British Civil Servant, you’d realise that in the government black is white. Therefore, they’ll probably end up sacking all the top performers, leaving nothing but the lazy ones.

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  19. UpandComer (537 comments) says:

    Lol this will be interesting. I wonder what they will measure performance on? It would be a shame if they got the matrix wrong and sacked the wrong people. Still god knows they need it over there.

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  20. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    nasska,

    I cited one example that proved your (wholly) gross generalisation wrong. In general terms as a response? In specific terms youre talking shit :)

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  21. cows4me (248 comments) says:

    Oh my God , how can we not have a nice civilised socialist society without the hired guns employed by government. Sorry I have meet some really nice CS’s but most live in a world where been individualistic and self reliant is as close to treason as one can get. Yes we need civil servants but some CS have become a law unto themselves. Their time is coming to an end, they should screw the fuck out of everyone while they can.

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  22. nasska (11,527 comments) says:

    hmmokrightitis

    Yes, I can see where I went wrong. When I made my comment I failed to indicate how I came to that conclusion.

    In fact I used an average which allowed that some civil servants were very overpaid, arrogant, clock watching jobsworths whose raison d’etre is to hinder & frustrate the day to day life of those forced to remunerate the parasites. Obviously some (perhaps including your good self) are only slightly overpaid, arrogant, clock watching jobsworths whose raison d’etre is to hinder & frustrate the day to day life of those forced to remunerate the parasites.

    Mea culpa…..I will qualify my future assessments.

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  23. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Just keep happy with your stereotypes then.

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  24. nasska (11,527 comments) says:

    mikenmild

    I would count amongst the most happy stereotypists you could hope to meet!

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