Trotter on Cunliffe

May 8th, 2012 at 10:30 am by David Farrar

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 I drove home with three conclusions:

One: the deeply cynical and self-destructive folly of Labour’s caucus in refusing to make Cunliffe their leader.

Two: the MP for New Lynn’s singular and radical understanding of the need to steer Labour into the new, fast-flowing tides of historical change.

Three: that if anyone can persuade the quiet suburbs of New Zealand to accept and embrace the need for change; it’s .

If Shearer does not last the distance, the battle between Cunliffe and Robertson will be massive. It will be Auckland v Wellington and more.

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34 Responses to “Trotter on Cunliffe”

  1. Lee01 (2,171 comments) says:

    So long as Labour spends as long as possible tearing itself apart over leadership issues I will be happy.

    “into the new, fast-flowing tides of historical change.”

    Marxist’s are always deluding themselves about being at the apex of history.

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  2. Manolo (13,840 comments) says:

    If Shearer does not last the distance,..

    I predict he will not. Get the pop-corn ready for the upcoming battle among the comrades.

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  3. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    The “fast-flowing tides of historical change?”

    A wonderful metaphor, Chris, to describe Europe going down the gurgler as they try to ‘tax and spend’ their way out of a crisis of out of control govt borrowing and spending.

    There is no question that Cunliffe is preaching the same fast-flowing path to our demise.

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  4. tom hunter (4,899 comments) says:

    Two: the MP for New Lynn’s singular and radical understanding of the need to steer Labour into the new, fast-flowing tides of historical change.

    So Cunliffe’s speech the other week was an example of having a singular and radical understanding of the new world we are in? That would be the speech that re-birthed almost every 19th century Marxist shibboleth about capitalist economies and proclaimed the need for huge new government interventions in the economy and greater spending – just like the Labour government of the 1930’s, because what worked then …..

    Idiot.

    As Holyoake supposedly used to say of some of his opponents in Parliament:I move that the member be granted more time to continue speaking

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  5. tvb (4,432 comments) says:

    Cunliffe will win if it is Auckland vs Wellington. I know people in Wellington think they are the centre of the Universe but Auckland is much much bigger and numbers still count in democratic politics.

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  6. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    Cunliffe’s “experimental” New Lynn website (that doesn’t seem to be experimenting much) features Cunliffe lined up staunchly in a union protest.

    That doesn’t appear to be “new, fast-flowing tides”.

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  7. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    Frankly I believe Cunliffe is the more destructive of the leading forces in the Labour Party. He is almost as bad as if we had Steve Mahary & Trevor Mallard at the helm. Trotter is somewhat skewed in his opinions now & searching out scapegoats for the failure in the last election.

    I also share the opinions of many here that Cunliffe would win if it were a battle between Robertson & Cunliffe. I would prefer to see Robertson at the helm. Unfortunately though I don’t think he would best serve NZ from a foreign policy perspective. I don’t believe many of our trading partners are ready for an openly gay PM (awaiting the inevitable comment regarding Helen Clark’s sexuality).

    With so much of the world voting for “change” in trying economic times it has been very interesting to see NZ supporting our current government. Overwhelmingly when people are dissatisfied with their position they vote for governmental change, even when the new party is more likely to lead them to economic ruin (eg- france, greece).

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  8. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Someone has to do something different. Austerity clearly isn’t working, and the longer we cling to the hope that politics as usual will work, the worse things will get. Do we have to end up like the Greeks voting for Neo Nazis (yesterday one out of every 12 Greek votes went to elect a Neo Nazi).

    It’s pretty clear that we are at one of those times where our economic model has outlived its usefulness (cf. the 1930s or 1970s). So it’s time for people to come up with alternatives. I propose the rest of us give those baby boomer parasites a good economic hiding, but that’s just me.

    If you don’t like Cunliffe’s ideas, then propose your own. Caveat: business as usual is not an option.

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  9. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Austerity clearly isn’t working

    Tom, austerity has barely started. Anywhere. The voters in France and Greece did not vote to end austerity, they voted an alternative to commencing it.

    Our measures here have proven very sensible given global conditions and probably account for continued high levels of support for this govt. We remain on track for a return to surplus in 14/15 as predicted and we have had economic growth in nearly every quarter since Bill English assumed the Financial portfolio.

    The answer is clear: limit govt borrowing, optimse govt spending and focus on efficiency, let people and businesses run their own lives and finances and incentivize work, study & investment

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  10. tom hunter (4,899 comments) says:

    Austerity clearly isn’t working, …

    What austerity?

    Or, as Veronique de Rugy says: Show Me the ‘Savage’ Spending Cuts in Europe, Please

    Similarly here, where Bill is very proud of what he’s managed to eke out over the last four years, but which will likely be no where near-enough of a reduction for the future, especially if a Cunliffe-led government regains power in 2014, or even 2017.

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  11. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    “Tom, austerity has barely started. Anywhere.”

    So that’s the partisan line now, is it? Tell that to the Greeks living on the streets.

    Find someone better than a hack to rely on. That woman is a well-known idiot, notorious for making skewed and ridiculous claims.

    http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/02/jonathan-chait-why-im-so-mean.html

    There are plenty of conservatives with brains you could appeal to. It’s as if a left wing poster was relying on some spit flecked blog loon (like you get at the Standard) rather than, say, Krugman.

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  12. Lee01 (2,171 comments) says:

    “It’s as if a left wing poster was relying on some spit flecked blog loon (like you get at the Standard) rather than, say, Krugman.”

    Krugman is a spit flecked loon.

    “So that’s the partisan line now, is it? Tell that to the Greeks living on the streets.”

    Greece has been an economic basket case for a long time now, and it is largely the fault of the Greek voter.

    “Austerity clearly isn’t working”

    As others have pointed out, austerity has not really begun. This is not a party line, merely a statement of fact. Obama’s Keynesian spend and hope certainly has not worked.

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  13. Fisiani (1,040 comments) says:

    Robertson believes he is entitled to the throne. Arrogance v arrogance. 2013 will be interesting.

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  14. big bruv (13,935 comments) says:

    Trotter is all over the place. Just a few weeks back Trotter said that he thought Helen Kelly would be the best person to lead the Labour party.
    He also said that the best thing for NZ would be to reintroduce compulsory unionism.

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  15. Bevan (3,924 comments) says:

    Caveat: business as usual is not an option.

    And you think more socialism is? Luckily for NZ, the voting public get to see what will happen in France with their desire for handouts, borrowing and socialism upon socialism… By the time NZ gets back to the polls, I predict Frog-land will have crashed and NZ gets a reminder of how dire a vote for the likes of Cunliffe will be.

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  16. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    Trotter is all over the place.

    He has switched a bit lately – to Shearer, and then from Shearer to Cunliffe. It suggests how much uncertainty there is in the Labour camps.

    Trying to get praise for Shearer on The Standard is like getting big bruv to praise religion.

    Caveat: business as usual is not an option.

    That’s all over the place too, not long ago a stimulus was called for, that didn’t stimuklate much (but may have prevented worse), then a switch to austerity which has not had any time to have much effect, and now they are calling for stimulus again?

    I think Labour are drastically misreading the “need to sort our financial shit out” feeling out here.

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  17. Lee01 (2,171 comments) says:

    “I think Labour are drastically misreading the “need to sort our financial shit out” feeling out here.”

    Agreed. They have been doing so since Clark was first thrown out. And they do not seem to understand that National’s welfare policies are very popular with many working class people.

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  18. Paulus (2,633 comments) says:

    Cunliffe cannot beat the Wellington support for Robertson.
    Robertson has already captured the “Leader’s Office” staff and filled it with “like minded accolites”.
    They are supported by the Rainbow Wing of the Labour Party.
    Uphill for Silent “T” remember ABC.

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  19. tom hunter (4,899 comments) says:

    It’s as if a left wing poster was relying on some spit flecked blog loon (like you get at the Standard) rather than, say, Krugman.

    That would be the non-partisan, balanced Krugman who spent years railing about how Bush’s $3-400 billion deficits would break the US economy – whereas four consecutive years of trillion dollar deficits under Obama is okay, if insufficient.

    What were those words again – “hack” and “partisan”?

    Irony is just not something you “get”, is it?

    Here’s the graph again. I’ve linked directly to it because the numbers are more readable than in the original article, and that’s important because …

    Tell that to the Greeks living on the streets.

    … combined with the fact that the Greek government spent €70 billion in 2002 vs. €108 billion in 2011, suggests that increased government spending no longer even helps poor people. The Greeks better get to work crushing those international financiers (the ones in France especially).

    Right after they get their next loan from them.

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  20. KevinH (1,229 comments) says:

    Why doesn’t Trotter quit bullshitting around and come out with the fact that he doesn’t like Shearer and that he is a Cunliffe man/ It’s obvious, because his spin ( Trotter) is crafted with the intention of undermining Shearer.
    My view is that Shearer still has a lot to prove yet, the polls are favouring him presently, much better than the Goff/King leadership achieved, therefore it would be unwise to change when the tide is turning in Labour’s favour.

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  21. Alan Wilkinson (1,878 comments) says:

    With friends like Trotter, who needs enemies?

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  22. s.russell (1,642 comments) says:

    “Austerity clearly isn’t working.”

    I have been on a diet for two hours, and have reached the same conclusion. It clearly isn’t working.

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  23. Lee01 (2,171 comments) says:

    “I have been on a diet for two hours, and have reached the same conclusion. It clearly isn’t working.”

    I love those kinds of diets! :)

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  24. Hugh Allan (2 comments) says:

    Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, with or without the orchestra? Too many lil’ MacBeths running about chasing ambition. What the moderate voter wants is stability, jobs and and a recognizable New Zealand. If Labour can project this triple unity now then PM Key will be sniffing around the World Bank for his tomorrow. Right now I suspect in a private suite at Skycity John, Peter and Kim are checking out the view with or without a cup of tea.

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  25. RandySavage (222 comments) says:

    Like a lot of the established media here in New Zealand this guy has been out to lunch for years
    Who cares what the man thinks. Cunliffe is a muppet

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  26. backster (2,174 comments) says:

    “he battle between Cunliffe and Robertson will be massive. It will be Auckland v Wellington and more.”

    Yep the ‘more’ being a battle between a gaggle of Gays and a gang of self serving Unionists.

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  27. thedavincimode (6,803 comments) says:

    Cunners; truely a man for all seasons.

    First he learned to talk bro on last year’s hustings. Then he not only got hairy chested down on the picket line at POA (good tip there Trotter!) he got all hairy-faced as well!!!

    Plus, it seems that he can cross the political divide if Mr Oil is correct in his assertion a while ago that Cunners resides in the leafy heaven of Herne Bay. Why, that’s virtually next door to New Lynn; a mere 8 to 10 km according to Google Earth, and a modest $2m in terms of average house prices!! Not only a man for all seasons; a man of the people!! Bringing the residents of the millionaire rows and the working class battlers of New Lynn together as one!! Marching foward: “onwards, onwards, brothers and sisters!!”

    And, I nearly forgot; not to mention re-writing economic theory for the last 200 years!!!

    Oh joyous joy. :)

    If only he wasn’t such a dick. Sigh.

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  28. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    who actually gives fuck about the labour party?

    A tubby inexperienced smug gay lawyer and a smug arrogant knob.

    If thats the best they can do John Key’s kids will be in Parliament before labour are.

    DPF get over it, Robertson has no chance, the Wellington luvvies think they know it all and are the centre of the universe but as TVB says above, its numbers

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  29. orewa1 (410 comments) says:

    Cunliffe is sharp, intelligent, and very under-rated. He needs to get rid of his image of being uppish – some of this is deserved but most is the work of a smear campaign by people opposed to him.

    Anyone who fairly analyses his contribution as a Minister would have to acnowledge that he gets things done, even in seriously demanding portfolios.

    Labour should have picked him post-election. There is still time.

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  30. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    orewa

    if his own caucus think he’s a dick head where does that leave you?

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  31. thedavincimode (6,803 comments) says:

    Anyone who fairly analyses his contribution as a Minister would have to acnowledge that he gets things done, even in seriously demanding portfolios.

    Indeed. Like in Hawke’s Bay when he was Health Minister. I’m sure Annettte King would agree with you too.

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  32. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    In many ways it doesn’t really matter who leads the Labour Party (except to the contenders and their camps). Labour will get another go, if not in 2014 then 2017. The old adage is that all political careers end in failure: John Key will be no exception and at that stage whoever is leading Labour will start to look good. It always happens that way.

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  33. big bruv (13,935 comments) says:

    mikenmild

    As much as the man irritates me sometime Labour will only get another go when Key has had enough.

    Like it not the majority of the public love the man, he may not be my cup of tea but he is without doubt the best PM we have had in the last 100 years.

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  34. atihana (4 comments) says:

    After all the stuff ups from capitalist excess and the free market most of which we have forgotten though it only happened in Roger’s and Ruth’s time, Labour needed Cunnliffe. As leader Shearer is the blandest of all political leaders I can remember. I have seen both on parliament’s TV. Cunnliffe at least registers and is articulate in a way that Shearer is not. I suspect also that Cunniliffe is more likely to spell out policy unequivocally instead of Shearer’s flim flam. He will be more than a match for Keys.

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