Turner guilty

May 22nd, 2012 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

’s father hopes , the “evil” man found guilty of murdering the New Zealand teen, will suffer every day in prison.

Overnight, a British jury returned their verdict – the obsessed 20-year-old strangled Emily, 17, in his bedroom at the family home in Queenswood Avenue, Bournemouth, on May 7 last year.

Turner mouthed the word “f***” after the jury foreman gave the verdict following nine hours of deliberations, British paper the Mirror News reported. He will tomorrow learn the minimum length of his life sentence.

May he never be released. Turner reminded me strongly of Clayton Weatherston – a strongly narcissistic individual who saw women as possessions.

Turner’s parents, Leigh, 54, and Anita Turner, 51, were also found guilty of perverting the course of justice after trying to cover up the crime, the Bournemouth Echo reported.

Turner and his parents denied the allegations in a four-week long trial, although Turner had already pleaded guilty to a charge of perverting the course of justice.

His parents were bailed for sentence at a date to be fixed but were told they were likely to face jail. The pair were convicted by a majority of 10 to 2 of perverting.

While parents are not responsible for the sins of their children, in this case I think they do bear some responsibility (beyond covering it up). The fact they covered up the crime suggests they lacked any moral compass, and failed to impart it to their son.

Friends said the pair had a volatile relationship, with Turner telling his girlfriend he was going to kill her on multiple occasions. Turner admitted to saying that 10 to 15 times, but told the court he didn’t mean it “literally”.

If your partner threatens to kill you even once – then time to bail out.

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38 Responses to “Turner guilty”

  1. metcalph (1,430 comments) says:

    Google searchs Tuern should have tried “How to create a story the Jury will believe”

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  2. wreck1080 (3,923 comments) says:

    Evil comes to mind.

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  3. Linda Reid (415 comments) says:

    If your partner tries to physically restrain you or hits you – get out and don’t go back.
    If your partner belittles you or verbally attacks you – get out and don’t go back.

    At best, life’s too short to put up with jerks. At worst – it’s the start of the end of your life.

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  4. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    If your partner threatens to kill you even once – then time to bail out.

    For sure, hard to understand anyone not baling out – except that someone who might threaten to kill is as likley to threaten to harm or kill if you leave. Very difficult situation of a vulnerable person.

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  5. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    If your partner tries to physically restrain you or hits you – get out and don’t go back.
    If your partner belittles you or verbally attacks you – get out and don’t go back.

    I’d suggest there can be exceptions to this.

    For example – depending on definition of restrain or hit. My wife has hit me, but totally without malice, and I certainly didn’t feel at any risk.

    And belittling and verbal attacks are a minefield of degree and interpretation.

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  6. Linda Reid (415 comments) says:

    Pete, that’s why you have to get out at the first sign. The very first sign. Before it escalates.

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  7. Linda Reid (415 comments) says:

    Pete – it’s easy to tell if it’s with or without malice.

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  8. tvb (4,430 comments) says:

    The face of pure evil. His parents created a monster and it is just they should bear some criminal responsibility as well. That kid is my concept of what evil could be.

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  9. MT_Tinman (3,204 comments) says:

    Linda Reid (324) Says:
    May 22nd, 2012 at 12:11 pm
    …..
    If your partner belittles you or verbally attacks you – get out and don’t go back.

    Based on that at least 50% of the couples I’ve had in my taxi should suddenly be short of a man – this sort of thing being the standard discussion device of damned near every female I’ve ever met whenever they don’t get their way.

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  10. MT_Tinman (3,204 comments) says:

    Back on topic this Turner creep came across in slime reports as one very nasty PoS.

    How his parents, acquaintances and Longley’s friends and family allowed the relationship to continue is beyond me.

    Again according to the slime reports, Longley was always going to end up very badly hurt (physically) if not dead by the hand of the scumbag.

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  11. Paulus (2,632 comments) says:

    I suspect that Turner “Cock of the Roost” will get more than he expects in jail.
    It will not be pleasant.

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  12. Luke H (73 comments) says:

    Disappointing that this case got so much media coverage. Another example of MWWS.

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  13. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    Agreed MT.

    If the rules given by Linda above were followed by men, there wouldn’t be many couples left.

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  14. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I hadn’t heard of MWWS before. Thanks for that Luke.

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  15. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    Thank god for that – I am getting horribly tired of hearing the sorry storry of this lot everyday on evey news bulletin. Who cares???

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  16. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    This case is also interesting as a comparison of how murder is treated in the UK vs. here in NZ. I am advised for example that the minimum non parole period for a “common or garden” murder is 15 years vs. 10 here. Other than the terrible sadness that the victim was a bright young girl (sorry, 17 is not woman) with her life ahead of her, this is actually a fairly run of the mill case that would pull only the ten year minimum here. (Members of the criminal bar, please feel free to correct me)

    The second interesting thing is that sentencing will happen tomorrow – and apparently even a one day delay between conviction and sentence is unusual. Here it is weeks or months between conviction and sentence – presumably the poms don’t have pre sentence reports, or perhaps they do them in advance in case there is a conviction?

    It would also be interesting to know what the rules are regarding parole in the UK. Here a minimum non parole period is just that, and while offenders won’t usually be released on their first or second application after that period expires, is it quite rare for a murderer to spend 15 years inside.

    Comment from those who have some working knowledge of the UK system would be most welcome (at least by me).

    It is worth remembering that no matter how long this asshole stays inside, Emily’s parents have received a true “whole of life sentence” from which they will only be paroled by death.

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  17. gump (1,650 comments) says:

    DPF said:

    While parents are not responsible for the sins of their children, in this case I think they do bear some responsibility (beyond covering it up). The fact they covered up the crime suggests they lacked any moral compass, and failed to impart it to their son.

    —————————

    Perhaps his parents were afraid of him? If the media reports are accurate then it seems that everybody else was.

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  18. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    The UK has that 15-year term but judges can set longer periods, up to ‘whole life’. This case seems a fairly ordinary (dare we say) murder, so I suppose 15 years would be likely.

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  19. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    Mikey: Yes, that’s my view too. And I hasten to add that that doesn’t mean I lack compassion or great sympathy (and as the father of a beatiful daughter, empathy) for the parents. But at the end of the day this is a “domestic” murder of the kind that is still the most common. It doesnt make any difference that the victim was a beautifual young girl at the beginning of her adult life.

    We now have – at least in theory – “whole life” sentences for the worst cases of murder too. They were included in the Sentencing and Parole Reform Bill, but somewhat lost in all the furore around “three strikes”. Whole life sentences have been applied in the UK – Fred West and Dr Harold Shipton being well known recipients. One wonders if we will ever see a New Zealand Judge imposing it.

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  20. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I would have thought that the ability to set very long terms was not a recent innovation. There isn’t any legislative restriction on a very long minimum period of imprisonment, is there? I suppose that that if a judge were to impose a 50- or 60-year minimum non-parole period that it would be reduced on appeal.

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  21. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Oh, I see it now David:
    ‘If the court that sentences an offender convicted of murder to imprisonment for life is satisfied that no minimum term of imprisonment would be sufficient to satisfy 1 or more of the purposes stated in subsection (2), the court may order that the offender serve the sentence without parole’
    I just hope that section is never invoked, ie, that we have some kind of sane mass-murderer (if there can be such a thing) or a large-scale terrorist attack.

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  22. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    He has already been complaining about the lack of luxuries in prison..What a dropkick.
    Another difference in the court system DG is that the jury was allowed to ask him questions.

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  23. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    I don’t think it is appropriate in these circumstances to say who cares..obviously her friends and family care..No one would want to be in this kind of horrific , public situation but it happens to people probably when they are least expecting it. Her parents may not have even met this monster given that they both live in NZ.

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  24. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    i think this means that the minimum he can get is 14 years before being elegible for parole.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_in_English_law#Sentencing

    Thing is, scrotes like this are likely to react the same way years into the future if they are
    rejected again.

    Funny how this type of, big I am, full of themselves scrote have such fragile egos that they kill
    to avenge the pain rejection causes them.

    Note that this psyco has two favourite words, I, and Me.

    Quote, “Mum, this bitch has ruined my life.”

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  25. tvb (4,430 comments) says:

    The kid is just a 20 year old and that will mitigate a very lengthy sentence, however tempting it would be to utterly destroy him. Though he has destroyed a beautiful girl’s life and given her loving family a life sentence of hurt. His lack of remorse makes him a danger to society but let us see how he goes 15 years into his sentence, the kid might change completely given his age.

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  26. landoftime (35 comments) says:

    David – I agree that if your partner threatens to kill you even once, then you need to get out. I don’t think anyone would argue with that. But I would also like to point out that ending a violent relationship is often the most dangerous time for a woman. There are lots of examples:
    Sophie Elliott had broken up with Clayton Weatherston, Carmen Thomas was separated from Brad Callaghan. Correct me if I’m mistaken, but Helen Meads had informed her husband that she was leaving him when he murdered her. Joeline Edmonds was also murdered by her ex-partner – who broke into house was she was sleeping.
    Many people ask – ‘if he hits her, why doesn’t she just leave?’ The answer is a lot of the time – it’s too dangerous to leave. These (usually) male partners have threatened to kill their spouse if they leave. Often they are scared to stay but terrified to go. And given the above examples, their fears are not unfounded.
    So as a community we need to do what we can and we all have a role. If you hear something violent going on in the house next door – ring the cops right away. If you suspect somebody in your family is in an abusive relationship – ask them if they would like your help. You can ring women’s refuge yourself and get some advice on how you can support them.
    Above all, try and bring up your kids to be good human beings – if you need an incentive, put yourself in Turner’s parents shoes – they must be so ashamed to have literally created a monster.

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  27. landoftime (35 comments) says:

    I don’t think this is a case of MWWS as described by Luke. Domestic violence exists across all cultures, ethnicities, social classes and ages and this has been reflected in New Zealand media coverage.

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  28. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    landoftime at 6:41 pm – excellent comment.

    Most parents do their best and don’t need an incentive beyond wanting to do the best they can for their children.

    Having said that, Turner’s parents tried to protect him after he’d murdered, that’s a situation where tough tough love would be needed. Covering for him effectively condoned his action, that lack of knowing decent boundaries may be an indicator to why their son ended up doing something so bad.

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  29. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    given the level of male concern I’d say it’s more a case of MWWILPS (P=’protect’)

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  30. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    tvb: He is not a “kid”. Many of us have acted as autonomous adults long before 20. The greatest generation, of whom there are now very few left, who defended Britain against fascism, were the same age as this guy, often younger. Twenty year olds routinely flew four engined bombers to Germany and back, night after night.

    There is a possibility that at the age of 35 Turner will be a decent human being, but the odds are against it. If someone is a homicidal asshole at age 20, the likelihood is they will remain a homicidal asshole until age wearies them. Whether they are able to act on those urges again is the question. Sadly, at 35 this guy is likely to simply be an older wiser asshole not far past the peak of his physical power.

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  31. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Fortunately there are not too many cases of repeat offending by murderers who have served lengthy sentences.

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  32. AJC (16 comments) says:

    This guy Turner is an evil SOB.

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  33. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    More than there used to be when we executed the bastards milkey!

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  34. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    Mikey: Just when I thought you were gettin sensible…have a guess how many killers (either manslaughters or murderers) have come out of jail here and killed again? Take a stab…(sorry..)

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  35. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    Google wont help you Mikey…when I last checked, which was a couple of years ago when I was still in parliament, there were more than twenty of them….the most recent was the asshole who murdered Austin Hemmings, the good samaritan who went to the aid of a woman on the street in Auckland and got stabbed to death for his trouble….

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  36. calendar girl (1,242 comments) says:

    I’m disappointed that NZ’s MSM have given this trial and its outcome such wall-to-wall coverage. It has little connection with this country, other than an accident of geography that the victim was born and grew up here. But she had become a UK resident some years back.

    Let’s be frank: our MSM featured this trial in detail purely for the purpose of sensationalism. That’s the shallowness of standard to which our media have reduced so-called “news” delivered to their NZ readers, viewers and listeners. It helped their cause, naturally, that the victim happened to have been a young, good-looking blond – indeed, without that particular set of ingredients, the story may not have warranted more than a paragraph or two.

    NZers’ irrational and excessive interest in this story merely fuels a further lowering of our already-trash media standards and discrimination. I’m surprised that DPF felt inclined to exacerbate that situation by featuring the Turner – Longley case in his post above. But I respect the fact that he can use his own blog as he pleases.

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  37. tvb (4,430 comments) says:

    David, he is a kid and a pretty dreadful one at that. At 35 he may not present a risk to society and could be considered for parole. Lets see how he goes. On present form I am not that optimistic but people change especially after age 30.

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  38. shady (246 comments) says:

    Calendar Girl – she grew up in NZ from a young age – and went to Hauraki School (primary), Westlake Girls High and Takapuna Grammar. She went back to the UK to stay with her grandparents in 2010 when she was 16 and was murdered at 17 – a few months later. From what I’ve heard both in the media and here on the Shore, she was mixing with the “wrong” crowd and went to the UK to stay with her grandparents and have a fresh start.

    I’ve been watching the case with interest – both from a parent of daughters of a similar age growing up on the Shore, being a parent and seeing to what extent a parent will go to to protect their child from consequences of their actions. Also the UK court system with regard to procedure and sentencing in comparison to ours.

    Trashy media and discrimination – agree with you there. Sick of reading so called news skewed by lefty lazy journalists.

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