Danger Will Robinson Danger

June 3rd, 2012 at 12:28 pm by David Farrar

Tony Wall at SST reports:

Bishop has raised the stakes with his followers, exhorting them to leave behind houses, jobs – even family members – to join him at a “City of God” he is building in South Auckland.

At the church’s annual conference in Rotorua on Friday night, Tamaki spent his entire two-hour sermon talking about how God had told him to build the city and why his followers had to lose their “parochialism” towards their home areas, even if it meant leaving behind loved ones.

Cult expert Mark Vrankovich said the speech was designed to “soften up” Tamaki’s followers and the real pressure to move to South Auckland would come with one-on-one sessions with local pastors.

“Saying that the church family is more important than your physical family, that you must go with the spiritual family, is a classic cult idea. This will put great pressure on families and break up families.”

Vrankovich was also concerned that Tamaki appeared to be encouraging people to sell their homes. “They’ll be pressured to give the money from the house sale to the church, and they’ll never see it again. He’s extracting money from people for his dream, and something that he will effectively own. He wants to be mayor or king of this ‘city’ so he’s softening them up to get them to move [to Auckland] so he’s guaranteed not to be losing money on the deal.”

I suspect Tamaki will own all the properties in his “city” and that indeed his followers will be urged to hand over the proceeds from selling their own home in exchange for being allowed to live rent free in their new allocated home. However if you leave the faith or criticise Lord Brian, then I imagine you will get turfed out with nothing. It will give him huge power over his flock.

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49 Responses to “Danger Will Robinson Danger”

  1. labours a joke (442 comments) says:

    look out for van loads of cool-aid supplies..

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  2. fish_boy (152 comments) says:

    You know, the French Jacobins had the perfect solution for bishop Brian as far back as 1789…

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  3. thor42 (971 comments) says:

    Tamaki is very dangerous. IMO, he is a bigot and a complete charlatan.
    Remember that awful anti-gay march by the brainwashed Destiny people down Lambton Quay, chanting “Enough is enough!”?
    This is how the violent, hateful and evil “religion” of Islam started, with conman Mo in the desert brainwashing his gullible followers to follow him.
    I’m not saying that Tamaki’s cult will be as big as Islam (and sure, Mo’s cult is a lot more vicious than the Destiny Church), but the “drop everything and follow me” message is similar.

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  4. Griff (7,698 comments) says:

    lord mayor bishop Tamiki has a shrinking “tax” prayer base.

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  5. pidge (56 comments) says:

    Sounds like he’s been examining the works of L Ron Hubbard. Anyone for clambake?

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  6. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    No danger of gay marriages at the ‘City of God’, I guess.

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  7. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    Clearly this particular sub-line of humans has evolved from sheep instead of apes.

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  8. burt (8,269 comments) says:

    An interesting aspect in this is that we have seen it so many times, it always ends in tears.

    Logically and rationally we all know where this ends yet when one of these charismatic evangelists pops up and gets a bit of money behind him people just follow along. Over and over again this happens across all cultures and crosscutting seemingly indiscriminately across all walks of life.

    There are some pretty basic human logic and rational thinking faults associated with the behaviour.

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  9. simonway (387 comments) says:

    Jonestown down under. Just remember: whatever you do, don’t drink the Raro.

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  10. burt (8,269 comments) says:

    mikenmild

    Ironically the slackening of laws such as gay marriage give these parasites extra power. It’s another hot button to push with the followers.

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  11. peterwn (3,271 comments) says:

    Wonder if rest home legislation would help. People who purchase rest home units now have security of ownership above various others eg mortgagees. Especially as people likely to ‘purchase’ a place in Brian’s village would be either senile or demented (ie rest home material).

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  12. burt (8,269 comments) says:

    peterwn

    The fear of being sodomised in damnation for the rest of eternity might drive some people to act under Tamaki law rather than NZ law.

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  13. pmofnz (22 comments) says:

    Clearly this particular sub-line of humans has evolved from sheep instead of apes

    At least sheep have evolved. Unlike the New Zealand ape rushing headlong down the dead end evolutionary blind alley of allowing homosexuals to marry and raise our children.

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  14. Griff (7,698 comments) says:

    burt
    Why did you mention sodomy?
    cue another 10,000 words about the homosexual lead destruction of humanity.

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  15. geo_kiwi (43 comments) says:

    Won’t this turn into some sort of Commune where people eventually get brainwashed into thinking that they are somehow above the law; where a single leader evolves into some sort of cultist who believes he is a sort of God figure?

    As yet Tamaki has not done anything illegal, though I wonder how many of those black t-shirted school boys who marched in the anti-gay rally in 2004 where they were recorded chanting “Enough is Enough” should have been somewhere else – i.e in school. However, it is obvious Destiny don’t like criticism because a few years ago a couple of disgruntled members started a protest across the road from a Destiny rally and Destiny enforcers tried to shut it down.

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  16. burt (8,269 comments) says:

    pmofnz

    At least sheep have evolved. Unlike the New Zealand ape rushing headlong down the dead end evolutionary blind alley of allowing homosexuals to marry and raise our children.

    So they marry and raise children and that’s an evolutionary blind alley…. heterosexuals marry and raise children and that’s good… The evolutionary blind alley line won’t get far with rational intelligent people so… enjoy the power it has over your followers.

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  17. East Wellington Superhero (1,151 comments) says:

    I find this concerning. His ‘City of God’ is very detached from what Jesus meant, and what, for example, St Augustine wrote about.

    That said, what has Destiny done wrong? I don’t see any evidence of all this bullyboy talk (though am prepared to believe it might occur) and it’s not like Tamaki’s out there being f***ing useless like all the morons our society seems to worship.

    So Destiny marched against the Civil Unions Bill. Well boo hoo. Get over it. And least they weren’t trashing up Queen St like the students the other day.

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  18. Peter (1,712 comments) says:

    ‘Tis a very silly place.

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  19. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    It’s only a model

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  20. East Wellington Superhero (1,151 comments) says:

    Just to be clear, I think there is a possibility for this to go disturbingly wrong and I don’t agree with Tamaki’s plans. However, the analysis that it is being given here is full a rank ‘liberal’ hypocrisy.

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  21. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    This has got me reading up….

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown

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  22. wreck1080 (3,912 comments) says:

    So now he wants his flock to up donations from tens of dollars to hundreds of thousands.

    This guy has simply gone to far now.

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  23. burt (8,269 comments) says:

    wreck1080

    I think time will show that he’s only getting started.

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  24. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    burt & pmofnz, regardless of what you think of gay marriage & adoption, neither of these will have anything to do procreation unless you subscribe to the completely unfounded belief that gay parents raise gay children.

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  25. Gulag1917 (916 comments) says:

    The easy scared trendies who ignore the lessons of history.

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  26. SHG (316 comments) says:

    Matthew 7:25-34:

    25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

    26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

    27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

    28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:

    29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

    30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

    31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

    32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

    33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

    34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

    The Bible specifically and indisputably says: give up everything and the Lord shall provide what you need. “Take no thought for the morrow” – don’t make plans, don’t prepare for things, don’t work, don’t secure shelter, food, or clothing for yourself or your family. Doing that shit is evidence of a lack of faith. The only thing that matters is loving Jebus and his designated representatives right here and right now, call the number on screen with your credit card details.

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  27. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Not one, but ten suckers are born every minute!

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  28. burt (8,269 comments) says:

    WhineOh

    I have no argument with that. Homosexuality has been with our species since it first existed. It’s in hundreds of other species as well. I don’t think for a moment that homosexuality is a genetic trait that can be ‘breed out’ of people or a personality disorder than can be exorcised away by mumbo-jumbo. It is what it is… a person sexual orientation – no more no less. How people get their jollies if of no concern to me as long as it’s consensual between ‘adults’.

    I have no idea what pmofnz thinks though. Just like I no idea what the dumb ass slogan ‘enough is enough’ chanters believe. But one thing is sure – intolerance for people ‘not like us’ is always a strong feature in any cult or fundamentalist religious group.

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  29. BillODrees (94 comments) says:

    By inviting a large group of prople to “invest” money he is subject the various laws, no what blarney he wraps around the scheme. A prospectus is now required. The FMA should be “alongside” BB now rather than letting him throw his followers into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.(Matthew 13:42).

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  30. Gulag1917 (916 comments) says:

    One interpretation of Scripture and an over simplified version at that.

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  31. Leaping Jimmy (16,452 comments) says:

    A prospectus is now required.

    OK Bill but what if the prospectus spells out outrageous terms and conditions and the punter signs up for them anyway, that’s not illegal, is it?

    No this is quite extraordinary behaviour alright but this isn’t the first extraordinary thing he’s done so who knows. Let’s just wait and see. It certainly doesn’t seem like a very good deal does it. I mean what if you don’t want to live with your church-mates 24/7/365 yet you want to continue to be a member of Destiny? How does that work? Is it like being a day boy at a boarding school?

    I’ve never had the same issues others have with Tamaki. I’ve seen the hand of God moving in his results and it’s not bad. I’ve never had a problem with for example his street parades with the T-shirts that everyone got excited about, I mean so what. I just look to his results and his congregations are all well dressed well behaved self disciplined educated serious and sober Christians and that works for me. However of course I also see the cultish aspects. My jury’s still out on yes or no but this move seems rather along those lines doesn’t it. But as far as I’m concerned he’s only raised my Destiny Def-Con level by a notch but it’s still on AA+ Long Term Stable rating.

    However one cannot discount it may in ten or so years somehow turn into some sort of survivalist seige so I’ve setup Janet Reno and the ATF’s 0900 number on my quick dial, just in case.

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  32. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    As someone who started to become sucked into a strong spiritual leader many many moons ago; the more people vilify the ‘Bishop’ or criticise the flock, the more they will feel justified and are indeed the righteous standing up against the forces of hell.

    The only way to get through to them is contact and interaction with the outside world, most will eventually see through the sham (takes time but most will). But here is the danger, they will be more cut off in Gods little commune.

    This could end very badly.

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  33. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    Since this is essentially an ecclesiastical matter I feel out of my depth in any attempt I might make to address the Bishop’s folly. Fortunately after regurgitating about 10,000 comments made by God’s Little Helpers over the past couple of months an obvious solution has come to hand.

    Down on your knees & pray!

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  34. mara (784 comments) says:

    The wannabe infidel/beheading types in NZ worry me more. Tamaki’s lot seem harmless to others.

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  35. hemihua (31 comments) says:

    Most people who claim to hear voices in their heads would be put on medication. Funny how it’s OK when the voice’s name is ‘God’…

    That aside, wouldn’t Mr Tamaki have to own all the property himself so he can dictate who lives in his empire?

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  36. big bruv (13,888 comments) says:

    I know a chap who is a member of this cult. While not being a close personal friend of mine I know him well enough to speak about the Destiny Cult.

    Sadly this chap will not hear one bad word about Brian Tamaki, even though the Church contacted him last year to say that they thought he was “holding out on them” and wanted proof that his earnings had decreased because of the global economic crisis.

    He told me a few weeks back that he and his family were going to move to this new paradise, his house is on the market and he “cannot wait” to live the Destiny lifestyle 24/7.

    I fear it will all end badly for him.

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  37. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    It’s not often I agree with Big Bruv.

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  38. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..I’ve never had a problem with for example his street parades with the T-shirts that everyone got excited about, I mean so what…”

    that’s ‘cos he gay-bashes..and you are a gay-basher…

    that you are ‘with’ him just confirms yr moonbat-status…

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  39. Gulag1917 (916 comments) says:

    The speculations, anybody could think you guys are more apocalyptic than the Book of Revelation .

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  40. RandySavage (222 comments) says:

    forget the rena oil slick this one will be far worse

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  41. Cactus Kate (551 comments) says:

    Brian should be allowed to run Housing NZ.

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  42. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    ….. but perhaps he would be more comfortable running CYFs . . . .

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  43. noskire (842 comments) says:

    Oh ye of little faith http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTzXJMU1sLc

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  44. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    Next up – the Brian Tamaki charter school, to indoctronate the young.
    And of the course because it fits governments idiological position, they will be quite happy to fork over the dollars for it.

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  45. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    At the risk of Godwinning, because he was in fact talking about Hitler, a quote from the great Huey Long comes to mind: “Anybody that lets his public policies be mixed up with religious prejudice is a plain goddamned fool”.

    Any adult of sound mind (though that may be an oxymoron in this instance) who follows the goddamned fool into the promissory (note) land deserves all that is coming to them; or rather, all that is about to be taken from them.

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  46. RossM (45 comments) says:

    Wonderful honours! H1 will have to sit next to the Duke at ONZ dinners – she must be spitting tacks, and Cullen and Deane (rememer when Telecom shares were over $6) both recognised for screwing up their respective bits of the economy.

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  47. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    thor42 (170) Says:

    June 3rd, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    ..is very dangerous. IMO, he is a bigot and a complete charlatan.

    Why bring Winston into this?

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  48. Put it away (2,878 comments) says:

    Vrankovich and his cultwatch can’t normally be taken seriously because they’re a fundamentalist outfit who define cult as anyone with doctrinal differences to their own brand of fundamentalism. Tamaki was originally declared a cult for “denying the resurrection”. In this case though, they happen to have picked an actual cult, in the normal sense of the word.

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  49. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    I’ve been a paid up member of a cult. In my past life as a fat drunk, I approached AA for some help. That was fantabulous and I met some lovely people, as you do, in any movement. I didn’t “relate” so I didn’t stay. Along the way I met a very sinister women in a branch of Overeaters Anonymous which is spinoff of AA. OA was established in NZ in Christchurch by a women called Leonie Thompson who happens to me the mum of singer Wendy Thompson.
    She controlled the minds of about 50 women who ate exactly what she dictated they should eat all year round, in both Wellington and Christchurch. She would let people know if they had a “spiritual recovery”.
    Being the bad bitch that I am I never had a “spiritual recovery”. However I remember being devastated by this when in her thrall. Another woman told me I was like a dog off a leash.”
    I heard five separate reports of suicides over the five years that I knew these people with the only linking factor being membership of this particular group of Overeaters Anonymous.It became obvious to me that cults are more common that we know. I know regard the extreme left as “cultish”.
    Your’s truly, a plump occasional pisshead (I downgraded you see ;)
    http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2012/06/brian-tamaki-just-plain-crazy.html

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