The hatred and bile from Labour

June 21st, 2012 at 6:03 pm by David Farrar

From general debate yesterday:

: I gave her the benefit of the doubt because I am a generous chap. I am a generous chap. Some would say naive, and others might say innocent. Well, I have learnt my lesson, because what has become patently obvious is not only that this Minister has no interest in cleaning it up—she wants to see the board gone—but also that this is part of a nasty, ugly, dirty, filthy game being played out inside the National Party, with ACC and its board as collateral damage. That is what is going on.

I regarded the Minister originally as responsible, but not to blame. I have changed my mind. She is responsible and she is to blame. She is not fixing the problem. She is not fixing the problem; she is making it worse. It is time for her to do the right thing.

It was bad enough that there was a privacy breach to begin with. It was bad enough that ACC did not seem to respond effectively, and it is bad enough that since the privacy breach there have been even more privacy breaches. But none of this compares to the prevarication, the evasion, and the dissembling that has gone on in this House with the Minister failing and refusing to front up, and no wonder. It is quite clear that her conduct is not the conduct of a reasonable and responsible Minister. Her conduct is the conduct of a sociopath, Ms Tolley. Maurice Williamson understands that, because he has worked with too many of them for too long. He knows sociopathic conduct when he sees it.

David Shearer is a decent man. I am sure he does not condone his spokespersons calling Ministers of the Crown sociopaths. Hopefully someone in Labour will have a quiet word to Mr Little, and tell him to pull his head in.

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58 Responses to “The hatred and bile from Labour”

  1. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    ANDREW LITTLE: I gave her the benefit of the doubt because I am a generous chap. I am a generous chap. Some would say naive, and others might say innocent. Well, ………………………………………………………

    I and several other would say you are a humourless wanker Andrew ,with the personality of a head cold.

    Three more years easy National, Labour believe that there is a mandate for this type of behaviour but there’s not – not even life time labour voters have anytime for this shit.

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  2. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    “Hopefully someone in Labour will have a quiet word to Mr Little, and tell him to pull his head in.”

    Umm … this is the same Labour that featured Michael Cullen calling John Key a “scumbag”, a “rich prick”, a “working-class scab”, and called Don McKinnon a “born to rule prick”?

    Yeah, thought so.

    Don’t hold your breath.

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  3. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    I cannot improve on what Paul has already covered.

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  4. Keeping Stock (10,290 comments) says:

    I get the impression that the man who was once touted as a potential leader of the Labour Party suffers from a condition known as Little Man Syndrome.

    Shearer is unlikely to muzzle him though; every time Little speaks, his future on Labour’s back bench gets brighter by the word.

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  5. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    Labour may have trouble with leadership succession but when Mallard hangs up his mouth & retires Little is a shoo in to fill his boots.

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  6. Leaping Jimmy (16,290 comments) says:

    David Shearer is a decent man.

    This attitude which we have seen thousands of times from all Liarbore politicians: “cancerous and corrosive” being merely one of the more memorable, has nothing whatsoever to do with how any particular individual thinks, be they benevolent as Shearer may be or malevolent as Clark surely is.

    It has everything repeat everything to do with the left’s poisonous self-righteousness. The left, as anyone who has observed them for a good amount of time can clearly see, thinks for a fact, they are the only repeat only ones with pure motives. The left cannot and do not perceive that anyone with pure motives would not think like them ergo, anyone and everyone who disagrees is impure. This IS their attitude. THIS is their attitude. This is THEIR attitude. This is their ATTITUDE. I repeat: THIS IS THEIR ATTITUDE. Period. Full stop. No question. No equivocation.

    Of course such an attitude is childishly arrogant. Nevertheless its there in every single utterance that escapes a leftist’s mouth. It must be part of the entrance exam.

    I wouldn’t care except for the fact of its poisonous effect on those 90% of people whose minds are too politically naive to discern the fallacy. Many of those minds simply absorb the falsehood without question. I still wouldn’t care if it was really true. If it really was the case that we conservatives really were a pack of selfish sociopaths, I wouldn’t give a fuck. But that’s not the case, is it. But make no mistake, this attitude of theirs is an inherent part of being a lefty, it has nothing to do with any individual, at all.

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  7. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    If it’s getting a little hot in the kitchen, Collins should call it quits. She has consistently failed to front up or explain her conduct, and is more concerned about protecting her non-existent reputation.

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  8. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    There’s definitely a culture within part of Labour that’s decidedly rancid. I still respect David Shearer and hope he can get on top of it, but it won’t be easy, there are bad streaks from top to bottom.

    I’ve had a fair bit of abuse directed at me here on KB over the years, especially earlier, but the more you get to know people and they get to know you it mostly diminishes. Notably there’s no sign it is National nastiness, it usually comes from the more unleft extremes.

    In contrast, on The Standard the worst nastiness seems to come from those with a known affiliation with Labour – and it’s as bad now as it has ever been from some. A few are little more than abusive stalkers much of the time.

    There’s also a bit from Green associates.

    I think I was a fairly typical floating voter, the group that often makes the difference between one side or another winning an election. They have a very flawed strategy if they think abuse will get them back in power.

    Shearer still has a big job ahead of him.

    Maybe a bit ironic, but the only time I’ve corresponded with Andrew Little it was cordial, no problem.

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  9. lilman (953 comments) says:

    Met little at a meeting ,never spoke but watched him with interest.
    What I got from watching himwas a sad little man,truly agressive to any decent and quite nasty at times.
    Almost a sense of entitilment and an air of He knew better than other simply by life experience.
    Didnt vote for him because he looked like a pollitition but without the seat in government.
    In short, a real tosser.

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  10. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    how is paying staff bounties to kick people off acc…and financially penalising them if they don’t..?

    ..how is this not the actions of one who just does not care about those who are suffering…?

    ..about those she is meant to be caring for..

    ..i think most new zealanders are gagging in revulsion at this latest revelation…this latest showing of the cruel face of national..

    ..and meanwhile the poverty grows…and the richest get richer…

    ..and surely that ‘just not caring’ is the mark of the sociopath..?

    ..and not just of this minister…

    ..but of this whole government..?

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  11. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    Sociopaths “never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.” Hmmm that might explain Collins’ lawsuit. It might also explain why various ACC board members have been hung out to dry…they are apparently responsible for the fiasco at ACC but Collins considers herself to be beyond reproach.

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  12. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    The was a story on Campbell Live tonight about a victim’s family claiming ACC. Their father had died in an accident – attacked and killed by a swarm of wasps. But ACC determined the man died of natural causes! Collins must be very proud of her department.

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  13. PinkGina (91 comments) says:

    Little is an idiot

    Little has no personality

    There is no humour in Little’s persona

    Little will fail as a politician

    Little is little, too little

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  14. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..If it really was the case that we conservatives really were a pack of selfish sociopaths, I wouldn’t give a fuck..”

    there speaks another ‘selfish sociopath’…

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  15. Tauhei Notts (1,692 comments) says:

    Killed by a swarm of wasps.
    Just like being bitten by a katipo spider and dying.
    Shit happens.
    Any man with any respect for his family will have life insurance. The deceased in this case apparently did not have life insurance. By going on Tv his family have shown why the deceased had no respect for them.
    Quad Erat Demonstrandum

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  16. RightNow (6,986 comments) says:

    A malignant tumour that isn’t completely removed will spread until it kills the host.
    Mallard, Goff, King, Cunliffe and Hodgson should have been excised with Clark and Cullen. It’s spread too far now for the party to survive.

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  17. Chuck Bird (4,847 comments) says:

    Tauhei Notts, you want to criticize a person who you know nothing about who has died in an accident in the manner you do I think that is pretty nasty. Andrew Little may be nasty but at least he does not hide behind a pseudonym

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  18. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    Hows the job hunt going phool?

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  19. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    It is truly amazing that no one took offence to those outrageous statements. I can only put that down to a saint-like tolerance on the part of the National Party.

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  20. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    mikenmild

    How true. Had the roles been reversed & a Labour minister had been insulted by National bankbencher there would probably been an assault in the lobby.

    Just like the time Mallard tried to deck poor old Tau.

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  21. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    ‘poor old Tau’ – LOL

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  22. Tristan (63 comments) says:

    So little calls Collins conduct sociopathic (small but important difference) and in return is called a humourless wanker, sad, nasty and idiot a suffer of short man syndrome his party called liar labour and rancid, his politics childish and arrogant. The best place to find hatred and bile is right here

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  23. JohnM (7 comments) says:

    DPF you’re straying far below your best work when you put on this innocent, offended, sensitive schtick about the oppos saying mean things to your crew. No need to get faux-indignant about people disrespectin “Ministers of the Crown”. They’re all politicians and grown ups who can take and give a bit of name calling in the debating chamber. No need to rark up the pack here.

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  24. Kimble (4,432 comments) says:

    Her conduct is the conduct of a sociopath…

    Tristan, your comment is the comment of a moron.
    Tristan, you’re a moron.

    If your comment is one of a moron, then thats just a weak way of saying you’re a moron.

    The only reason Little said it like that was so that sycophants like you would give him the benefit of the doubt and defend what is a nasty, pointless attack.

    Little might as well have inclined his head and slowly gazed from his low left to his high right, taken in a deep breath, pushed out his belly, put his thumbs in his suspenders while straightening and announcing in a southern drawl, “wellllll…. now, i’m not saying that my opponent is a sociopath, but…”

    This is the sort of stuff that makes Labour unelectable. Who the hell do they think they are attracting with this crap?

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  25. Tauhei Notts (1,692 comments) says:

    Chuck Bird at 8.16 p.m.
    A man died in an unfortunate way, by being stung by many wasps.
    In no way whatsoever did I criticise the deceased.
    Chuck, I would be pleased if you could be so kind as to read my post again.
    The only people I criticised, if criticism is the correct phrase, are the people who went on the TV3 show hosted by that puffed up puff ball. Indeed, I believe I commented upon them, rather than criticising them.
    Chuck, you have had many intelligent comments on this blog. But this time you have erred. Because of your past comments I have responded to you. I would never ever accord the likes of Philu that courtesy.

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  26. wat dabney (3,724 comments) says:

    Tristan,

    I think the difference is that, unlike the sad inadequate that is Little, we are not attempting to control everyone else’s lives and plunder the workers for the benefit of our unionised mates.

    So, yes, the odious little shit deserves everything he gets.

    And I’m not even saying he was wrong about Collins: most politicians are sociopathic:

    “Serial killers and politicians share traits”
    http://www.examiner.com/article/serial-killers-and-politicians-share-traits

    This is just one reason for a minimal state: the people who typically seek control of it are at most just one step down from evil. Just look at the most excessive types of statists, such as the Greens. These people are desperate to control others and the very last sort of person who should be in any position of authority. As Lincoln said: ‘Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power.’

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  27. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    There’s the old saying that if you want to meet a psychopath, start by talking with your boss.

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  28. Kimble (4,432 comments) says:

    ..i think most new zealanders are gagging in revulsion at this latest revelation…this latest showing of the cruel face of national..

    In reality… nobody really gives a shit.

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  29. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Tristan

    If you have ever endured sitting beside Little at dinner like I have you would know catagorically that he is a humourless wanker.

    No bile no hatred,, just the truth.

    I save my hatred for those that have taken troughing to the olympics, Clark, Cullen Peters Anderton et al-
    Little is just an insigificant union hack who is way way past his level of ability

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  30. big bruv (13,718 comments) says:

    “there speaks another ‘selfish sociopath’…”

    Ha ha, these pearls of wisdom come from the parasite who has not contributed one red cent to the NZ economy.

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  31. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..In reality… nobody really gives a shit…”

    i know you and your sort don’t..

    ..but anyone who is human does ‘give a shit’..

    but you just go on thinking that…

    ..yr hubris is staining the page..

    ..and you will have many long years in opposition to rethink all that..eh.,?

    ..enjoy that upcoming decade for you..eh..?

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  32. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Union hacks out in the wild eh Mike

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  33. big bruv (13,718 comments) says:

    “There’s the old saying that if you want to meet a psychopath, start by talking with your boss.”

    Is that right Mike?

    I will take your word for it given you have spent a lot of time talking to Andrew Little and Matt (I don’t pay tax) McCarten.

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  34. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Can’t say I know any politicians well enough, but there are plenty of psychopaths in the public service, I can assure you.

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  35. Tristan (63 comments) says:

    I point out that maybe calling out little for nastiness by being equally nasty might defeate the point and I get called a sociopath … /facepalm

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  36. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    I don’t belive MM works much BB, Phil is not the only one who seems to be able to spend all day here doing fuck all

    Oh dear Tristan, you obviously don’t know what nasty is , you deluded youngster

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  37. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    She’s not a sociopath.

    She’s much more likely to be this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_dominance_orientation

    If she doesn’t want people to more or less call her a b—h, then she should stop going out of her way to appear like one.

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  38. big bruv (13,718 comments) says:

    Mike

    If those public servants work in ACC and they are forcing bludgers back into work then I applaud them.

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  39. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I did a lot at work today actually PEB. I was proud of my effort.

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  40. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    BB
    No, bullying and manipulating subordinates is the usual stock in trade.

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  41. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    I was proud of my effort……… written on the wall at the sheltered work shop, jesus

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  42. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    It was a very satisfying day down at mill, helping my fellow citizens.

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  43. Yvette (2,776 comments) says:

    Little is just further defining what he can talk about when he gets to court.

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  44. big bruv (13,718 comments) says:

    I wonder what Phool might be able to tell us about his day?

    Three or four hours spent baking?
    Three or four hours spent driving a bus under another name?
    Three or four hours spent sleeping?

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  45. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    I think Littles’ statement here is just too exquisitely emotional for words.

    To be accused of being sociopathic by someone who clearly has Multiple Personality Disorder, (what exactly is his role?) and possibly Unipolar tendencies (a tendency toward the introvertedly melancholic, with passive aggressive undertones) is priceless.

    I’m impressed, but suggest he might have skipped quickly to the ‘S’ in his ‘Psychology for duffers’ (3rd ed.), otherwise he might have stumbled on ‘Narcissistic Personality Disorder’ and had a relapse.

    I’m joking, of course.

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  46. RRM (9,826 comments) says:

    I do like the bit BEFORE what DPF highlighted though:

    It was bad enough that there was a privacy breach to begin with. It was bad enough that ACC did not seem to respond effectively, and it is bad enough that since the privacy breach there have been even more privacy breaches. But none of this compares to the prevarication, the evasion, and the dissembling that has gone on in this House with the Minister failing and refusing to front up, and no wonder. It is quite clear that her conduct is not the conduct of a reasonable and responsible Minister.

    He paints an all-too-believable picture of the haughty, do-as-I-say, born-to-rule attitude I’ve come to expect from National Party women…

    I think they are positioning Little to be the new Mallard, rather than the new leader.

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  47. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    What’s worse; being called a sociopath, acting like a sociopath, or being a sociopath? Hint: only one of these is likely to be ruled out of order in Parliament.

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  48. fish_boy (152 comments) says:

    Today on Kiwiblog: Pauleastbay used his 389,547th comment to cite mikenmild’s 287,985 comment as evidence that the latter has failed to meet some arbitrary productivity target.

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  49. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    That was yesterday – do try to keep up. Today is another all-out effort from the public servants to improve our lives.

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  50. kaykaybee (152 comments) says:

    I’ve seen some atrocious outbursts from politicians over the years, but this takes the cake.

    Little is acting out in an increasingly unhinged manner.

    No decent Labourphile can support this ranting and vitriol on any level surely.

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  51. hmmokrightitis (1,586 comments) says:

    So many feeble little left men who find a strong woman threatening. Hilarious.

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  52. Chuck Bird (4,847 comments) says:

    “In no way whatsoever did I criticise the deceased.”
    This is what you said.

    “Shit happens.
    Any man with any respect for his family will have life insurance. The deceased in this case apparently did not have life insurance. By going on Tv his family have shown why the deceased had no respect for them.
    Quad Erat Demonstrandum”

    I would say that the majority of married people – men and women do not carry life insurance. Many cannot afford. Saying the deceased had no respect for his family certainly sounds like very strong criticism of someone unable to defend themselves. NZ is a small country and it is quite possible the family will read or hear of your comment.

    I am no fan of ACC. I would like to see it scraped except for work related accidents as it used to be. However, ACC is similar to a form of compulsory insurance and they are not allowed an alternative insurance cover. In such circumstances people have right to expect their claims to be paid. If I had had a claim for medical or property insurance disallowed and I found out staff offered a bonus for claim not allowed I would be complaining to the insurance watchdog.

    I did read you post again. I also had a look at the item online as I do not usually watch John Campbell. I do think it rather callous of you to criticize the dead in circumstances like this. The guy as far as I know was not a vicious criminal. I hope the fact that the family was Maori was not a factor in your comment. I certainly have a lot of sympathy for the family.

    I doubt if you would make such a comment using your own name as you probably know some of your friends and family would agree with me that you comments are rather callous.

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  53. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    What’s over the top is DPF’s increasing tendency for hysterical headlines and statements. For example, the accusations of lies bandied about by our host when the substantive issue is more a matter of different facts being highlighted to reach differing conclusions to those of the national party contractor than the refuge of simpletons, “lies.”

    I suspect DPF’s histrionic factor has increased exponentially because National is feeling the heat more than a little as it actually tries to get through policies that enact the members core beliefs and then watches the focus groups get indigestion! Hence the need to back off and/or water down what it really wants.

    So DPF watching is going to get increasingly interesting over the next 2 years or so!

    As for parliamentarians behaving badly (or not, depending on one’s point of view), what’s new?

    And if there is one lady who can look after herself, surely it’s Crusher Collins!

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  54. Paulus (2,607 comments) says:

    Andrew – keep it up – you are the best advertisement for Labour.

    Sadly Shearer has no control of Little, as he has power to control the money supply to Labour.

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  55. black paul (120 comments) says:

    Perhaps Mr Farrar would find Mr Little’s statements less offensive if he put them on billboards.

    He could have pictures of famous sociopaths saying things like “I approve of Collins behaviour” and promote them on national tv.

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  56. Mark (496 comments) says:

    Andrew Little is a small man, with no brain. Loser.

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  57. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    I think your’ statement here is just too exquisitely emotional for words.

    To be accused of being sociopathic by someone who clearly has Multiple Personality Disorder, (what exactly is his role?) and possibly Unipolar tendencies (a tendency toward the introvertedly melancholic, with passive aggressive undertones) is priceless.

    I’m impressed, but suggest you might have skipped quickly to the ‘S’ in his ‘Psychology for duffers’ (3rd ed.), otherwise you might have stumbled on ‘Narcissistic Personality Disorder’ and had a relapse.

    I’m joking, of course.

    just testing this as a general all-purpose ad hominem put-down – Do I win $10.00?

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  58. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Luc
    I agree with your 9.24. DPF’s posts are getting less substantial and more vitriolic. He seems to be posting more of others’ stuff than ever, with a few little comments to proke the usual attack dogs.

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