The Jubilee Honours

June 4th, 2012 at 9:38 am by David Farrar

The full list is at DPMC.

There are four appointments to the Order of New Zealand:

  • Dame Margaret Bazley
  • Dame Malvina Major
  • Sir Peter Jackson
  • Prince Philip

The first three all recognise people who have excelled in their field of endeavour. The last I guess is a present for the Queen on her diamond jubilee. I understand the rationale but don’t agree with it. The Order of New Zealand should be for New Zealanders or at least people who have done something significant for New Zealand.

Then seven Dame or Knight Commanders:

  • Michael Cullen, services to the State
  • Rod Deane, services to business and the community
  • John Kirwan, services to mental health and rugby
  • Mabel Mariu, services to Maori and the community
  • Pieter Stewart, services to fashion and the community
  • Beverley Wakem, services to the State
  • Maarten Wevers, services to the State

Congrats to all those honoured. When I read the list on Friday, via the No Right Turn blog, I exclaimed with delight at John Kirwan getting a knighthood. His leadership in the area of mental health has been inspirational, and made a real difference to many New Zealanders.

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75 Responses to “The Jubilee Honours”

  1. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Your rationale for opposing the appointment of Prince Philip is predicated on an assumption that the consort of our head of state has made no contribution to New Zealand.

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  2. burt (8,201 comments) says:

    Michael Cullen, services to the State

    Any prick can over tax the country into recession…. the Queen’s either been given very bad advice or she’s lost it !

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  3. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    The Queen does not personally select the recipients – these honours are effectively chosen by the government of the day.

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  4. Farmerpete (47 comments) says:

    Mixed feelings about honors in general and some just rankle like Cullen, Graham Henry (far too arrogant and condescending for my liking) etc, but I am totally delighted about John Kirwan’s knighthood.

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  5. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Honours for Margaret Bazely whilst her involvement in the deep sleep programe is kept tidily in the corner.

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  6. metcalph (1,426 comments) says:

    So is Mike Cullen a Sir now? How does Helen Clark feel about that?

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  7. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I would hate to see honours opposed simply because of antagonism towards the politics of the recipients. Whether you value their contribution or not, most politicians sincerely want the best for the country and devote enormous amounts of time and energy to their roles.

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  8. kowtow (8,184 comments) says:

    Depression. If doing exercise gets one over it then it’s not a problem. It’s a self indulgence. PC bullshit.

    Michael Cullen, clearly the political elites from each side continue the game of mutual back scratching.

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  9. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    metcalph
    I should imagine Helen Clark ONZ is comfortable with other receiving honours as well!

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  10. Pete George (23,434 comments) says:

    Prince Philip deserves a New Zealand honour for doing what? He’s even less visible here than than the Queen.

    This is a remarkable “honour”, it makes a farce of the whole thing – which has a fair bit of farce anyway. Yeah, recognising some acheivements are ok, but too much pandering to ponce seekers.

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  11. metcalph (1,426 comments) says:

    Mike

    Helen Clark abolished the Sirs and Dames when she was PM. She tried to persuade Margaret Shields not to become a Dame when the honorifics were re-introduced. Now her closest colleague is becoming a Sir? That’s going to leave a mark.

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  12. metcalph (1,426 comments) says:

    Prince Philip deserves a New Zealand honour for doing what?

    Long service as Field Marshal of the New Zealand Army?

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  13. burt (8,201 comments) says:

    metcalph

    That’s going to leave a mark.

    That mark won’t be as big as the stain her government left behind…. Field, now Jones to follow…..

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  14. elscorcho (154 comments) says:

    I’m relatively pleased.
    I love the thought of JK getting a gong for his work in depression.

    However, I’m against Rod Deane getting a gong. Rod is a capitalist. He’s a razor gang leader. His sole purpose was the expansion of stakeholder value. In my view, a knighthood should be about service to the community, not something you’re already getting very well paid for (he’s basically getting double-paid).

    I was also against Jackson getting a gong when he got one. He’s a freaking MOVIE DIRECTOR!! That’s it. He hasn’t redefined the genre, he hasn’t contributed mightily to the development of New Zealand. He also ripped off the Tolkien estate (consider how rich that fat bastard is compared to JRRT who basically died in poverty).

    Knighthoods are an essential element in our society, but I fail to see how capitalists deserve them for doing what capitalists do.

    We need more knighthoods from the Army, Navy, Air Force, Police, Ambulance Service, Fire Service etc. Fewer from business.

    [DPF: As well as his contribution to business, Deane served for many years as Patron or President of IHC]

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  15. burt (8,201 comments) says:

    Knighthoods are an essential element in our society, but I fail to see how capitalists deserve them for doing what capitalists do.

    But socialists… they can tax low-middle earners into poverty and ruin the economy and that’s just fine – give them a gong for following a failed ideology and unleashing ruin on their own followers.

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  16. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    metcalph
    He is also Admiral of the Fleet of the Royal New Zealand Navy and Marshal of the Royal New Zealand Air Force, so when you add those together it is 180 years as senior officer in all three of New Zealand’s armed services!

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  17. sinned (19 comments) says:

    I am very pleased to see Roderick Deane receiving this recognition for his contribution to business and ultimately New Zealand.

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  18. Ross12 (1,388 comments) says:

    I don’t see why Public Servants should get awards given they are just doing the job they are employed to do like anyone else. Quite different if it is for something they do outside their place of work.

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  19. calendar girl (1,214 comments) says:

    Michael Cullen was Deputy Prime Minister in the Labour Government that abolished knighthoods. Now, having been offered and accepted a knighthood himself, he says “Bluntly, I wasn’t the most enthusiastic supporter of what we did.” Hypocrite.

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  20. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Ross12
    How is that different to other honours for those employed in paid occupations, like Sir Peter Jackson, etc?

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  21. elscorcho (154 comments) says:

    How is Michael Cullen a hypocrite? He probably disagreed with the decision at the time, but as is right, he bowed his heads to the collective wishes of Cabinet.
    *at the time*

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  22. elscorcho (154 comments) says:

    “I don’t see why Public Servants should get awards given they are just doing the job they are employed to do like anyone else. Quite different if it is for something they do outside their place of work.”

    Because in a corporate environment, one’s rewards are entirely linked to one’s value-generation; sell more earn more. As such remuneration is entirely proportional.

    In the public sector, the social value created by one’s work far outweighs the remuneration received; consider, from an actuarial perspective for example, the social value created by one Police negotiator saving one life.

    So we can consider X = social value created, Z = remuneration received, and X-Z as the “titles gap” that can be filled with knighthoods.

    Google “dollar a year men” from the Eisenhower days

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  23. davidp (3,576 comments) says:

    metcalph>Long service as Field Marshal of the New Zealand Army?

    You beat me to it. I find heaping extra honours and titles on to royalty to be a bit Idi Amin-ish. Especially when the titles are as ridiculous as Field Marshal of the NZ Army.

    Still, Philip will be proud of his ONZ and probably store it in a drawer next to his other honours, like his Afghani Member First Class of the Order of the Supreme Sun; his Luxembourg Knight of the Order of the Gold Lion of the House of Nassau; his Bolivian Grand Cross of the Order of the Condor of the Andes; or his Maldives Member Second Class of the Order of the Distinguished Leader. And I only hope that NZ never has to go to war against Trinidad and Tobago, since it would be hard for our Field Marshall to have to fight himself as their Colonel.

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  24. simonway (381 comments) says:

    Any prick can over tax the country into recession

    Michael Cullen and “high” taxes in New Zealand caused the GFC? Fancy that.

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  25. Zapper (1,015 comments) says:

    Yes, greedy fat people who create thousands of jobs and pay all the tax the socialists steal from them should not be recognised. They should thank the country for letting them keep any of their hard earned. Working 70+ hour weeks to create economic growth, pffft, they were probably lucky or stood on people like philu to get there. They’re lucky they’re not in jail!

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  26. Pete George (23,434 comments) says:

    I thought the Order of New Zealand was supposed to be our own non-monarch-from-the-other-side-of-the-world honour. It couldn’t have been devalued much more than inflicting the Prince of royals on it.

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  27. dime (9,789 comments) says:

    Cullen? One of the nastiest little fucks this country has seen. Not impressed.

    Happy for jk though

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  28. burt (8,201 comments) says:

    simonway

    Michael Cullen and “high” taxes in New Zealand caused the GFC? Fancy that.

    Like most lefty apologists you seem to have forgotten that NZ was in recession late 2007/early 2008 before the GFC. It’s OK we expect you lefties to forget how shocking your parties policies were – it’s the only reason you keep voting for the failed ideology.

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  29. Mark (1,471 comments) says:

    Burt that is an ungracious brainfart. Cullen made a pretty good effort to balance the socialist ambitions of the Clark government with some prudential financial control, ran a budget surplus and sure it included higher taxes for the well off 45c in the dollar paid by the well off in Australia may add some perspective.

    There are many things he did that I disagreed with in terms of financial management for NZ but it does not mean he put in a good deal of work for the country and does not deserve the honour.

    Get off your ideological pony for a bit.

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  30. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Pete
    You seemed to have missed the word ‘royal’ in our royal honours system. All of these honours are from the hands of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, Queen of New Zealand.

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  31. wat dabney (3,708 comments) says:

    Whether you value their contribution or not, most politicians sincerely want the best for the country and devote enormous amounts of time and energy to their roles.

    The problem is that their idea of “the best for the country” is a socialist/fascist state where we are all their serfs who should consider ourselves lucky for the allowance of our own earnings we are graciously permitted to keep as pocket money.

    These people do not “serve their country.” They are power-loving control freaks who plunder the workers to reward their special-interest state-sector backers.

    Fuck Cullen and fuck the rest of them. They should be strung up.

    elscorcho,

    You write complete nonsense, of course.

    In a corporate environment one’s rewards are rarely linked to the value one generates for the organisation. Only at the top echelons with performance-related bonuses is this remotely true.

    For the rest of us (non-unionised), we are all paid the market rates. That’s it. And it should be the same for those in the state sector.

    However, it has been argued that certain state-sector high-flyers (the mandarins) accept lower pay than they would receive in the private sector, because they reliably expect to receive a gong later on. This is obviously good value for the taxpayers. Let them have their stupid trinkets.

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  32. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    In my time , Deane was known as Dr Death..for good reason. His involvement with IHC was entirely selfish..because of his daughter. No one knows about Mrs Bazleys background then?

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  33. PaulL (5,943 comments) says:

    Every group in society has the bit they do for pay, and the bit they do over and above. Gongs should be about the over and above bit.

    Kirwan was well paid as an All Black. Not paid at all, or very little, for his depression campaigning.
    Deane was well paid as a corporate man, but not at all for his work for IHC.
    The public servants are generally paid to be public servants (including, for those at the senior levels, a very generous retirement package in lieu of high wages). But some of them go above and beyond in that job.
    Politicians, well, they kind of get them as part of the perks of the job.

    So, to my mind, the least deserving of these gongs are:
    – Politicians, they’re mostly just doing the job they’re elected for, and they already get recognition for being a Minister or whatever – they don’t really need a gong
    – Public servants – they’re generally receiving them for work that’s closer to their day to day job (usually for being senior in their job)

    People who do things in their own time, on a voluntary basis, and that make a big difference, they deserve these.

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  34. burt (8,201 comments) says:

    Mark

    The concept of fiscal drag clearly eludes you. Also good that you note that high earners were paying more tax in Australia under a ‘tory’ government than they were here under a socialist regime. Also interesting was that lower earners paid less tax in Australia under a ‘tory’ government than we were here under Cullen’s socialism.

    Tell me again how a socialist taxes lower earners more than, and higher earners less than, a neighbouring ‘tory’ government and is called a success ?

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  35. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    I agree with the comments that we shouldn’t let our personal political views get in the way. I personally would never have nominated Michael Cullen, but there are clearly those who think differently. It would be somewhat churlish of a govt to refuse honours to members of opposition parties.

    On Prince Philip, I would also note that he founded, and is patron of, the Duke of Edinburgh’s Awards. That programme has very positive impacts on Young New Zealanders and our communities. It is a long standing programme and he is no less deserving than those who might be recognized for their histories in community service. (Also, as Queen Elizabeth is the Queen of New Zealand, that makes him the consort to the New Zealand Queen. His qualification as a New Zealander would seem reasonable.)

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  36. jaba (2,120 comments) says:

    Michael Cullen .. is that a joke?

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  37. jaba (2,120 comments) says:

    I mean .. I’m sure he sai a year or so ago he was against knighthoods .. ffs

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  38. wat dabney (3,708 comments) says:

    burt,

    You need to be careful when you say the rich were paying more tax etc. It has been shown repeatedly that reducing marginal tax rates actually increases the tax take. So higher marginal rates in Australia could in fact mean they were paying less than NZ where rates were lower.

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  39. burt (8,201 comments) says:

    wat dabney

    No argument with that. My argument is that Cullen didn’t do what he said he would do – tax the top 5% a few cents more to fix health and education. He locked his ideology of ‘rich’ ( $60K ) in for 9 years and by the end of that time 75% of high school teachers (because of wage inflation over 9 years) were rich… yeah.. gee they enjoyed being rich and paying the top 5% tax rate I’m sure.

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  40. wat dabney (3,708 comments) says:

    Yes, “rich” starts at, what, 250,000? 500,000? Yet here’s Cullen plundering the workers for his bloated state.

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  41. burt (8,201 comments) says:

    Mark

    On fiscal drag… I did some calculations here but the crux of it is;

    Under Cullen’s tax regime a person earning $37K in 1999 would have sucked up a whopping 2.6% tax hike under Labour. Fiscal drag wasn’t only on the top earners Mark.

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  42. UpandComer (528 comments) says:

    Lol Kowtow.

    You are so hard man. What a hard man.

    Just walk it off man, walk that shit right off.

    Depression is a myth, obviously, all these people who are shut down and suffering tremendously due to biological, hereditary and environmental reasons are actually just soft cocks, seeking attention by locking themselves away from their lives and society, and not understanding that all you have to do it just exercise.

    No one with Depression has genuine reasons for it, if they did, they’d know they have it, which means they’d use the exercise cure, and then they wouldn’t have it!

    All those post natally depressed mums just need to do some deadlifts aye Kowtow you hard man.

    John Kirwan is all bullshit and a softcock, obviously, that PC idiot, I mean what is more PC then being an ex all-black who admits to depression, a mental problem that does not exist?

    Lol you’re such a dooshy tool Kowtow.

    Have some compassion and perspective, ultimately people do have to get away from those thought patterns, so not ‘indulge’ in them, but they crop in the first place often without logic, because it is a biological thing, like have a broken leg.

    Doosh.

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  43. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,743 comments) says:

    Well I disagree with Michael Cullen getting a gong. No surpirse though with John Key continuing to fund Cullen’s lifestyle with taxpayer funds through whatever state entity he works for these days.

    Why doesn’t John Key just go ahead and build a gold statue on the Wellington waterfront to his beloved hero, Michael Cullen?

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  44. elscorcho (154 comments) says:

    “In a corporate environment one’s rewards are rarely linked to the value one generates for the organisation. Only at the top echelons with performance-related bonuses is this remotely true.:

    -> What? If you are sizing positions in your company and you aren’t calculating (a) value added and (b) remuneration relative to that added value, then you have failed Capitalism 101.

    Even a socialist like me knows that when you are creating jobs within your company, you have to model the benefits likely to accrue… it’s not difficult (and I’m amazed a rightist like you doesn’t realise that)

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  45. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Eff off this spineless government capable of granting a knighthood to someone who wrecked the NZ economy and squandered the public purse.
    The political mafia en Wellington (led this time by Key & co) at its worst.

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  46. burt (8,201 comments) says:

    What Manolo said.

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  47. Paulus (2,602 comments) says:

    One word describes the pommy from Finchley in North London –

    Michael Cullen

    Hyppocrite.

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  48. Ross12 (1,388 comments) says:

    mikenmild — “How is that different to other honours for those employed in paid occupations, like Sir Peter Jackson, etc?”

    I would apply my comment to those in industry/corporate world also. As others have said an honour should only go to those that have “gone well beyond’ what you would expect from their “paid job”. In the case of Sir Peter Jackson then I think he has done this in that he has built an “industry” in Wellington ( along with others) and now it is not only the film / creative industries that benefit but also the tourism industry.
    In general I think the higher honours should be fewer and given out more sparingly. I don’t see any reason why we shouldn’t have times ( ie. either Queen’s Birthday or New Year )when there are , for example, no Knights or Dames for that particular day.

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  49. PaulL (5,943 comments) says:

    Actually, high earners in Australia don’t seem to pay more tax. They have a higher headline rate, but a lot of deductions. Australians in general pay a lower percentage of their income in tax than NZers (as seen by tax as a proportion of GDP), despite the higher headline rates.

    The reality is that, as in NZ, the rich pay very little tax, those with high taxable income pay a lot of tax. There is little correlation between these two groups – people with high taxable income tend to be professional/white collar people working for a salary, and whom therefore cannot structure their affairs to avoid tax. The rich tend to have inherited or accumulated wealth, little taxable income, and very tax efficient structuring of their affairs. As for anywhere else in the world, the truly rich pay around 15% income tax, that seems to be the amount they think is fair, so they structure their affairs to pay that amount.

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  50. Lindsay Addie (1,401 comments) says:

    The Cullen knighthood.

    Is this a case of being awarded the title of Sir because most things he touched ended up in the doggy-doos?

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  51. Australis (100 comments) says:

    It’s a bit rich to invite Elizabeth Windsor to be Queen of New Zealand, and then complain that her husband should be excluded from any New Zealand list. Constitutionally speaking, she (and her family) have greater claims to be New Zealanders than do Wellington-based bloggers.

    It is especially rich when we have asked Philip’s wife to sponsor that list every year for 60 years – and this year’s list has a few special additions to honour her outstanding service.

    If you know of a more successful system of government than constitutional monarchy, then advocate for change. But don’t be churlish about recognising extraordinary service by the current incumbents.

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  52. Keeping Stock (10,266 comments) says:

    Paul L said

    Kirwan was well paid as an All Black.

    Actually PaulL; he wasn’t. Kirwan played his last test for the All Blacks in 1994, a year before the game went fully professional. By that time he was off to the DB Bitter Auckland Warriors to play for cash.

    But you’ll note that his knighthood is not for services to sport; it’s for services to health. As a sufferer of depression who has benefitted from his campaign on depression, especially targetted at New Zealand males, I am delighted that he has been honoured.

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  53. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    Beverley Wakem – this may be one that goes under the radar but I would say well deserved. A very good speaker.

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  54. wat dabney (3,708 comments) says:

    elscorcho,

    Even a socialist like me knows that when you are creating jobs within your company, you have to model the benefits likely to accrue… it’s not difficult (and I’m amazed a rightist like you doesn’t realise that)

    You claimed that “in a corporate environment, one’s rewards are entirely linked to one’s value-generation; sell more earn more. As such remuneration is entirely proportional.”

    This is simply untrue. Do you think the man who invented Chicken McNuggets received all the benefits, or even a percentage? Nigger please:

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  55. PaulL (5,943 comments) says:

    “Nigger please”. Is that a usage I’m unaware of, or a typo? Trying to work out what that means, and I’m struggling, but I know that word does pop up in all sorts of colloquial usage.

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  56. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    That would be Margaret Bazley who did the Sergeant Shultz ” I knew nothing” FFS

    Happy for Kirwan, his ads have had an amazing effect and he wasn’t a bad footy player either

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  57. chiz (1,132 comments) says:

    Kowtow:Depression. If doing exercise gets one over it then it’s not a problem. It’s a self indulgence. PC bullshit.

    How tolerant of you. Depression is genetic in many cases (including JK) and so is bipolar disorder.

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  58. calendar girl (1,214 comments) says:

    Who to believe?

    Sir Michael Cullen in the Otago Daily Times:” “Bluntly, I wasn’t the most enthusiastic supporter of what we did.”

    Sir Michael Cullen in Stuff: “I was never a great fan of what we did.” (much the same as the ODT)

    Sir Michael Cullen in the Otago Daily Times: “Sir Michael said he had largely agreed with Labour’s decision to abolish titles …”

    The NZ Herald in its editorial: “Sir Michael has revealed to the Herald that he was a dissenting voice in the Labour Government’s decision to abolish knighthoods.”

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  59. orewa1 (410 comments) says:

    Elscorcho 10.33am – “In the public sector, the social value created by one’s work far outweighs the remuneration received;”

    Bunkum! Sweeping generalisation at best, bollocks at worst.

    Check the numbers. Wellington remuneration has increased way higher than other cities over recent years. In the private sector you are measured, respected and remunerated by the amount of money you produce for your shareholders. In the public sector it is the amount of other people’s money you spend.

    And tell me how you compare Marten Weevers, penpusher and policy wonk, with a police officer on the front line?

    For the record – Sir Michael Cullen – good – one of the best Finance Ministers of our time. Sir JK good – coming out as a depression sufferer from a position of being a sports legend takes real balls – he has probably saved lives by bringing the subject out in the open. Deane – good work with the arts I am sure, but his work with Telecom bordered on selling out New Zealand and he used his standing to sell political bullshit – I guess it would be churlish to give him negative points to offset his valuable IHC work. Weevers – remind me who he is/was again.

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  60. wat dabney (3,708 comments) says:

    For the record – Sir Michael Cullen – good – one of the best Finance Ministers of our time.

    Like Clark and all her ministers, “Dame” Cullen had the good fortune to have an easy job thanks to the earlier market reforms. Anybody – and I mean anybody – could have done the job.

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  61. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    I have been searching for something on deep sleep therapy but can’t find much..There is the Chelmsford scandal in Aussie where 26 people died in the 60s and 70s. Here in NZ , we had our own deep sleep scandal..Bazley was a psychiatric nurse. Funny how I can’t find anything on our scandal. Does anyone else know more about it? You would probably need to be older to remember it.

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  62. kowtow (8,184 comments) says:

    Here’s a great article on depression and other social ills. One or two of you might want to take some downers so you don’t get too excited by it.

    http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_4_oh_to_be.html

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  63. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    And would views on depression be relevant to John Kirwan’s knighthood in some way?

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  64. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    > Honours for Margaret Bazely whilst her involvement in the deep sleep programe is kept tidily in the corner.

    What involvement?

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  65. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Which one of the National Party apologists and sycophants around here is prepared to support Cullen’s knighthood?
    Speak up, people.

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  66. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    ross69
    Her involvement as a psychiatric nurse. In the huge report done recently , deep sleep gets the most glancing mention. The hospitals where it took place are not even named…. This is a very glaring and I would say deliberate omission. I don’t know exactly which ones but think Cherry farm [Dunedin ] and Sunnyside [Chch] were certainties. Bazley lived in CHCH with her then notoriously criminal husband.

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  67. BlairM (2,314 comments) says:

    Kirwan was well paid as an All Black. Not paid at all, or very little, for his depression campaigning.

    Kirwan was not paid at all as an All Black, as he was playing in the last days of the amateur era.

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  68. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    ross69
    The report I referred to earlier is called Te Aiotanga…..NZ psychiatric forum..I think this report came out in about 2,009..lots about ECT , drugs etc and not even the hospitals involved in Deep sleep getting a mention!! ..Older CHCh people may be most likely to know about it.

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  69. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    ….with her then notoriously criminal husband.

    but she always seems to have forgotten about that bit

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  70. chiz (1,132 comments) says:

    Kowtow:Here’s a great article on depression and other social ills

    Silly article. I’m not sure what its relevance is to people with Depression or Bipolar disorder if their condition has a genetic origin.

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  71. RRM (9,776 comments) says:

    Sir Burt and Dame Manolo – for their services as angry, impotent little haters on the internet.

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  72. WebWrat (516 comments) says:

    My old man worked his passage to England in 1936 and joined the RAF. After the war started he did TWO tours (81 raids) flying Wellington bombers on night raids over Germany. After his TWO tours (DFC & Bar) he came home and became a founding member of RNZAF 40 Squadron flying resupply to Pacific Islands in UNARMED Lodestars and C-47′s. When that tour was over he went back to England, turned down promotion as CO 75 Squadron and joined a Mosquito squadron in which he flew on low level raids over France and Europe until the end of the war. Pop was never offered a knighthood and I daresay he wouldn’t have wanted one. His only concern that I know of since I got to know him was for all his young mates that died in their efforts to beat the NAZIS.

    To see that commo CUNT Cullen get a knighthood for his efforts to undo all that my father and his mates fought for should be an offense to all Kiwis. It sure is to me!!

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  73. Mark (1,471 comments) says:

    BlairM (1,673) Says:
    June 4th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
    Kirwan was well paid as an All Black. Not paid at all, or very little, for his depression campaigning.

    Kirwan was not paid at all as an All Black, as he was playing in the last days of the amateur era

    I am not a great fan of knighting sportsmen but in this case the work done by John Kirwin in the promoting awareness of mental health issues especially depression has simply been outstanding and I cannot think of a more deserving recipient. It matters not whether he was a paid or unpaid All Black as I doubt that his status as an All Black was the major contributor to this award.

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  74. Mark (1,471 comments) says:

    WbWrat: 81 raids is three tours for Bomber Command Vets 30 for the first and 20 for each subsequent tour

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  75. RRM (9,776 comments) says:

    To see that commo CUNT Cullen get a knighthood for his efforts to undo all that my father and his mates fought for

    Webwrat –

    I had no idea Cullen was deporting Jews and gassing them. Shocking!

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