Well done Rodney

June 18th, 2012 at 3:00 pm by David Farrar

Rodney Hide’s column at the HoS is on racial preferences or quotas at medical school. His conclusion was:

But race, colour, creed shouldn’t worry us. We shouldn’t care if doctors are yellow, white or brown. All we should care about is that they are good at the job. And that should be the university’s sole concern. It is wrong that the university discriminates on skin colour. It is wrong that it is attempting a correct colour mix. The university should treat all applicants equally: that means being blind to race.

That wasn’t what got my attention though. It was this comment on the Herald website:

Debate on this article is now closed due to an increasing number of unpublishable comments.

I’ve never seen that on the Herald before. Well done Rodney, you’ve managed to turn the Herald into a blog

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59 Responses to “Well done Rodney”

rg (162) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
It is a shame that equality under the law regardless of race is only supported by the ACT Party. All the other Parties in parliament including National support racism.
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Manolo (9,857) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
As said before: stay well clear of some “doctors”.
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Pete George (17,595) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
We shouldn’t care if doctors are yellow, white or brown. All we should care about is that they are good at the job. And that should be the university’s sole concern.

But it’s not as simple as that. Med school students used to be chosen on academic merits only, now they also consider personal skills as well. The target demographics need to be taken into account.

A couple of visits ago I had a Nepalese locum, I thought he was very good. It doesn’t bother me what they look like or where they come from, but competence and communication are important.

But if we had a bunch of top doctors – academically and technically – that no one liked or trusted they wouldn’t be effective. Empathy with various demographics is important.
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kowtow (4,386) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
slightly off topic but related.
In relation to the racist decision to give the Otago setlers Museum a new Maori name I wrote to the paper including the line “this is no longer a democracy,it’s a bro-ocracy”.
That line was “abridged”,they wouldn’t publish it!
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graham (1,897) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
How long before Hone weighs in?

In 5..4..3..2..1..
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James Stephenson (1,462) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
But if we had a bunch of top doctors – academically and technically – that no one liked or trusted they wouldn’t be effective. Empathy with various demographics is important.

Bollocks. You’re either a good doctor, or you’re not. Nobody’s saying that pure academic brilliance is the only thing that matters in a med student, but playing about with entrance requirements just to get the skin colour balance right is fucked up.
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dime (6,165) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
“Empathy with various demographics is important.”

so a white dude cant have empathy with a Samoan patient?

you seem to be ok with a foreign doctor. are you saying non-whites arent smart enough to be ok with a doctor thats not their own nationality??

as for “now they consider personal skills as well” translation – they make sure their english is up to scratch. as they should.
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Manolo (9,857) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
P.G, that’s a very lame argument. Your hightened political correctness is leading you stray.
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princetipytoe (47) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
It was a pity about the scandals in his politics with dishonest people that dragged him into the gutter; however he got back on the tools holding his head high and now leaping ahead with public acceptance.
One would have to admire his guts.
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wf (150) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Many years ago I worked in a hospital with a graduate of the special entry class. It was scary, and we nurses didn’t like working with him because of what he DIDN’T know, and didn’t know he didn’t. Fortunately (and much to our relief) he went off to work in a local health clinic where his cultural knowledge would be appreciated, as soon as his 6 month placement was finished.

I don’t care about skin colour or accent, but I DO care about competence. And bedside manner.
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dubya (112) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
I had this argument with someone studying health policy recently; they tried to tell me that Maori people respond better to Maori doctors. Given the bulk of the racism I see in Auckland comes from Maori and is directed towards Asian people, I can’t see any sense in furthering the arrogant prejudices held by Maori. I’ve had many excellent doctors, my GPs have been Sri Lankan, West Indian, and most recently, Croatian.

Efficiency over empathy any day. They’re not hairdressers.
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wreck1080 (2,835) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
I flatted with a maori trainee doctor, and she said her passing threshold was lower than her non-maori classmates. I think she got good grades anyway, this is just something she mentioned.

Personally, I don’t care if a doctor is hindu/muslim / christian or whatever. I just want them to have excellent clinical and diagnositic skills.

This crap about cultural stuff is ridiculous. If that were the case, maoris may enjoy witch doctors throwing bones in the air to determine whether a spirit or something is causing the illness.
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dime (6,165) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
“P.G, that’s a very lame argument. Your hightened political correctness is leading you stray.”

Its funny watching him try so hard to be like his hero. Peter “Mr Sensible” George.

Epic fail.
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Longknives (2,469) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
“Empathy with various demographics is important.”

So what about ‘Empathy with my Demographic’ Pete?
Is it acceptable for me to loudly demand in the A&E that I be treated only by a Doctor of European descent??

That seems to be what you are suggesting…
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BeaB (1,606) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Race-based selection is rubbish on so many levels, considering our shared DNA. And culture doesn’t mean a thing when someone’s got your insides opened up. However, I doubt I’d go to a devout Muslim for anything gynaecological. Or anything, really.

I swapped from a laid-back Maori male dentist to a hyper-diligent Indian female one. Guess who studied harder, got higher grades and was the far superior dentist. I don’t want anyone treating me who slid in on a quota.

Surely we should be teaching kids to work hard to reach the entry standards, not looking for ways to rig the system for chosen groups.
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Sofia (552) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
It is a shame that equality under the law regardless of race is only supported by the ACT Party.

I give it about 10 before the penny drops.
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Ross12 (404) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
I’ve been impressed by the columns Rodney Hide has been writing. I don’t always agree with him but I like the level / detail of his arguments and the topics he choses to discuss. We need more debates at this level
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Mr_Blobby (91) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Sadly and probably for the best the Herald will never be a good Blog. Shutting down because on un publishable comments is common I have seen it several time. Strangely only when the un publishable comments are about Maori.
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2boyz (182) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
years ago (maybe 20) a sister of a great friend attempted to enter Medical school as a Pakeha, grades weren’t quite good enough. Did some checking and found a tiny bit of Maori Ancestry lurking. Reapplied as a Maori and bingo ‘welcome to medical school’. Turned out to be a great doctor, I guess she used the system to her advantage. This has been going on for many years.
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tas (294) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
It seems the main argument for racial entry requirements is that patients are racist (i.e. Maori patients want Maori doctors—though I’m not convinced that that is true) and that our medical system should cater to their racism.

Lowering the bar for various races makes racism worse. It gives me a reason to avoid Maori doctors: I don’t know if they are up to the same standard as the non-Maori doctors.
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EverlastingFire (288) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
All racial quotas do is make me avoid the ‘privileged’ race.
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RRM (7,207) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
They should make it HARDER for Maori to enrol in degree programmes at university.

[Because when you graduate, everyone knows your Mum and your Aunty Kuia are gonna stand up in the second row of the gallery and do a 10-minute karakia, while everyone else just waits, because your achievements are that much more special than everyone elses'!]
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kowtow (4,386) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Otago Uni allows Maori law stsudents who don’t make the cut for second year have their ethnicity taken into account to go through.
Universities are fast becoming social experiments and no longer places of higher learning.
I’d bet the big spending overseas students get a quiet lift up too.

http://www.otago.ac.nz/courses/qualifications/llb.html
See 1 g
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simonway (295) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
“We shouldn’t care if doctors are yellow, white or brown. All we should care about is that they are good at the job.”

What if Maori doctors work better than Pakeha doctors among Maori communities.
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SGA (198) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
@RRM – [Because when you graduate, everyone knows your Mum and your Aunty Kuia are gonna stand up in the second row of the gallery and do a 10-minute karakia, while everyone else just waits, because your achievements are that much more special than everyone elses'!]

LOL (literally) – one I was at a few years ago, there were 3-4 karakia, and each group seemed determined to outdo the previous one.
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Longknives (2,469) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
“Because when you graduate, everyone knows your Mum and your Aunty Kuia are gonna stand up in the second row of the gallery and do a 10-minute karakia”

Reminds me of the Commonwealth Games a few years ago- When a New Zealand swimmer got third, prompting a ‘rousing and impromptu’ (aren’t they ALWAYS ‘impromptu’?) haka during the medals ceremony. I recall the poor Scottish swimmer who won had their National Anthem completely drowned out by the embarrassing spectacle of a group of pasty New Zealanders chanting, poking their tongues out, and making googly eyed gestures and general twats of themselves..
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RRM (7,207) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Piki ake Tawhaki i te ara kuiti
I whakatauria ai te ara o Rangi,
Te ara o Tu-kaiteuru.
Ka kakea te ara wha-iti,
Ka kakea te ara wha-rahi,
Ko te ara i whakatauria ai
To tupuna a Te Ao-nunui,
A Te Ao-roroa,
A Te Ao-whititera.
Tena ka eke
Kei to Ihi,
Kei to Mana,
Kei nga mano o runga,
Kei o Ariki,
Kei o Tapairu,
Kei o Pukenga,
Kei o Wananga,
Kei o Tauira.
Raranga, raranga täku takapau,
Ka pukea e te wai,
Hei moenga mo aku rei.
Ko Rupe, ko Manumea,
Ka pukea: ê! ê!
Mo aku rei tokorua ka pukea.
Ka pukea au e te wai,
Ka pukea, ê! ê! {p. 110}
Ko koro taku tane ka pukea.
Piki ake hoki au ki runga nei:
Te Matitikura, ê! ê!
Ki a Toroa irunga,
Te Matitikura, ê! ê!
Kia whakawhanaua aku tama
Ko an anake ra.
Tu te turuturu no Hine-rauwharangi;
Tu te turuturu no Hine-te-iwaiwa.
Tu i tou tia me ko Ihuwareware;
Tu i ton kona me ko Ihuatamai.
Kaua rangia an e Rupe.
Kei tauatia, ko an te inati,
Ko Hine-te-iwaiwa.
Tuku iho irunga i tou huru,
I tou upoko,
I on tara-pakihiwi,
I tou uma,
I to ate,
I ou turipona,
I ou waewae.
E tuku ra ki waho.
Tuku ewe,
Tuku take,
Tuku parapara.
Naumai ki waho.

Nga puna irunga te homai,
Te ringia ki te matamata
O nga u o tenei wahine;
Te kopata i te rangi te homai
Hei whakato mo nga u
O tenei wahine:
M te matamata o nga u
O tenei wahine:
Nga u atarere reremai
Ki te matamata o nga u
O tenei wahine:
Nga u atarere tukua mai.
Tenei hoki te tamaiti te tangi nei,
Te aue nei i te po nui,
I te po roa.
Ko Tu-te-awhiawhi,
Ko Tu-te-pupuke,
Naumai ki ahau,
Ki tenei tauira.

Tena te ara, ko te ara o Tawhaki,
I piki ai ki te rangi,
I kake ai ki tou tini,
Ki tou mano:
I whano ai koe,
I taemai ai to wairua ora
Ki ton kaupapa.
Tenei hoki ahau
Te mihi atu nei,
Te tangi atu nei
Ki to wairua mate.
Puta purehurehu mai
To putanga mai ki ahau,
Ki to kaupapa,
I piri mai ai koe,
I tangi mai ai koe.
Tena te tiri,
Ko te tiri a o tupuna,
Ko te tiri a nga Pukenga,
A nga Wananga,
Aku, a tenei tauira.
Ka kakea te ara wha-iti,
Ka kakea te ara wha-rahi,
Ko te ara i whakatauria ai
To tupuna a Te Ao-nunui,
A Te Ao-roroa,
A Te Ao-whititera.
Tena ka eke
Kei to Ihi,
Kei to Mana,
Kei nga mano o runga,
Kei o Ariki,
Kei o Tapairu,
Kei o Pukenga,
Kei o Wananga,
Kei o Tauira.
Raranga, raranga täku takapau,
Ka pukea e te wai,
Hei moenga mo aku rei.
Ko Rupe, ko Manumea,
Ka pukea: ê! ê!
Mo aku rei tokorua ka pukea.
Ka pukea au e te wai,
Ka pukea, ê! ê! {p. 110}
Ko koro taku tane ka pukea.
Piki ake hoki au ki runga nei:
Te Matitikura, ê! ê!
Ki a Toroa irunga,
Te Matitikura, ê! ê!
Kia whakawhanaua aku tama
Ko an anake ra.
Tu te turuturu no Hine-rauwharangi;
Tu te turuturu no Hine-te-iwaiwa.
Tu i tou tia me ko Ihuwareware;
Tu i ton kona me ko Ihuatamai.
Kaua rangia an e Rupe.
Kei tauatia, ko an te inati,
Ko Hine-te-iwaiwa.
Tuku iho irunga i tou huru,
I tou upoko,
I on tara-pakihiwi,
I tou uma,
I to ate,
I ou turipona,
I ou waewae.
E tuku ra ki waho.
Tuku ewe,
Tuku take,
Tuku parapara.
Naumai ki waho.

Nga puna irunga te homai,
Te ringia ki te matamata
O nga u o tenei wahine;
Te kopata i te rangi te homai
Hei whakato mo nga u
O tenei wahine:
M te matamata o nga u
O tenei wahine:
Nga u atarere reremai
Ki te matamata o nga u
O tenei wahine:
Nga u atarere tukua mai.
Tenei hoki te tamaiti te tangi nei,
Te aue nei i te po nui,
I te po roa.
Ko Tu-te-awhiawhi,
Ko Tu-te-pupuke,
Naumai ki ahau,
Ki tenei tauira.

Tena te ara, ko te ara o Tawhaki,
I piki ai ki te rangi,
I kake ai ki tou tini,
Ki tou mano:
I whano ai koe,
I taemai ai to wairua ora
Ki ton kaupapa.
Tenei hoki ahau
Te mihi atu nei,
Te tangi atu nei
Ki to wairua mate.
Puta purehurehu mai
To putanga mai ki ahau,
Ki to kaupapa,
I piri mai ai koe,
I tangi mai ai koe.
Tena te tiri,
Ko te tiri a o tupuna,
Ko te tiri a nga Pukenga,
A nga Wananga,
Aku, a tenei tauira.

etc…

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philu (13,393) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
“..Debate on this article is now closed due to an increasing number of unpublishable comments..”

did the kiwiblog commentariat take a coach-trip to the herald..?

knives..i’m looking at you..!

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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RRM (7,207) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Tena ka eke
Kei to Ihi,
Kei to Mana,
Kei nga mano o runga,
Kei o Ariki,
Kei o Tapairu,
Kei o Pukenga,
Kei o Wananga,
Kei o Tauira.
Raranga, raranga täku takapau,
Ka pukea e te wai,
Hei moenga mo aku rei.
Ko Rupe, ko Manumea,
Ka pukea: ê! ê!
Mo aku rei tokorua ka pukea.
Ka pukea au e te wai,
Ka pukea, ê! ê! {p. 110}
Ko koro taku tane ka pukea.
Piki ake hoki au ki runga nei:
Te Matitikura, ê! ê!
Ki a Toroa irunga,
Te Matitikura, ê! ê!
Kia whakawhanaua aku tama
Ko an anake ra.
Tu te turuturu no Hine-rauwharangi;
Tu te turuturu no Hine-te-iwaiwa.
Tu i tou tia me ko Ihuwareware;
Tu i ton kona me ko Ihuatamai.
Kaua rangia an e Rupe.
Kei tauatia, ko an te inati,
Ko Hine-te-iwaiwa.
Tuku iho irunga i tou huru,
I tou upoko,
I on tara-pakihiwi,
I tou uma,
I to ate,
I ou turipona,
I ou waewae.
E tuku ra ki waho.
Tuku ewe,
Tuku take,
Tuku parapara.
Naumai ki waho.

Nga puna irunga te homai,
Te ringia ki te matamata
O nga u o tenei wahine;
Te kopata i te rangi te homai
Hei whakato mo nga u
O tenei wahine:
M te matamata o nga u
O tenei wahine:
Nga u atarere reremai
Ki te matamata o nga u
O tenei wahine:
Nga u atarere tukua mai.
Tenei hoki te tamaiti te tangi nei,
Te aue nei i te po nui,
I te po roa.
Ko Tu-te-awhiawhi,
Ko Tu-te-pupuke,
Naumai ki ahau,
Ki tenei tauira.

Tena te ara, ko te ara o Tawhaki,
I piki ai ki te rangi,
I kake ai ki tou tini,
Ki tou mano:
I whano ai koe,
I taemai ai to wairua ora
Ki ton kaupapa.
Tenei hoki ahau
Te mihi atu nei,
Te tangi atu nei
Ki to wairua mate.
Puta purehurehu mai
To putanga mai ki ahau,
Ki to kaupapa,
I piri mai ai koe,
I tangi mai ai koe.
Tena te tiri,
Ko te tiri a o tupuna,
Ko te tiri a nga Pukenga,
A nga Wananga,
Aku, a tenei tauira.
Ka kakea te ara wha-iti,
Ka kakea te ara wha-rahi,
Ko te ara i whakatauria ai
To tupuna a Te Ao-nunui,
A Te Ao-roroa,
A Te Ao-whititera.
Tena ka eke
Kei to Ihi,
Kei to Mana,
Kei nga mano o runga,
Kei o Ariki,
Kei o Tapairu,
Kei o Pukenga,
Kei o Wananga,
Kei o Tauira.
Raranga, raranga täku takapau,
Ka pukea e te wai,
Hei moenga mo aku rei.
Ko Rupe, ko Manumea,
Ka pukea: ê! ê!
Mo aku rei tokorua ka pukea.
Ka pukea au e te wai,
Ka pukea, ê! ê! {p. 110}
Ko koro taku tane ka pukea.
Piki ake hoki au ki runga nei:
Te Matitikura, ê! ê!
Ki a Toroa irunga,
Te Matitikura, ê! ê!
Kia whakawhanaua aku tama
Ko an anake ra.
Tu te turuturu no Hine-rauwharangi;
Tu te turuturu no Hine-te-iwaiwa.
Tu i tou tia me ko Ihuwareware;
Tu i ton kona me ko Ihuatamai.
Kaua rangia an e Rupe.
Kei tauatia, ko an te inati,
Ko Hine-te-iwaiwa.
Tuku iho irunga i tou huru,
I tou upoko,
I on tara-pakihiwi,
I tou uma,
I to ate,
I ou turipona,
I ou waewae.
E tuku ra ki waho.
Tuku ewe,
Tuku take,
Tuku parapara.
Naumai ki waho.

Nga puna irunga te homai,
Te ringia ki te matamata
O nga u o tenei wahine;
Te kopata i te rangi te homai
Hei whakato mo nga u
O tenei wahine:
M te matamata o nga u
O tenei wahine:
Nga u atarere reremai
Ki te matamata o nga u
O tenei wahine:
Nga u atarere tukua mai.
Tenei hoki te tamaiti te tangi nei,
Te aue nei i te po nui,
I te po roa.
Ko Tu-te-awhiawhi,
Ko Tu-te-pupuke,
Naumai ki ahau,
Ki tenei tauira.

Tena te ara, ko te ara o Tawhaki,
I piki ai ki te rangi,
I kake ai ki tou tini,
Ki tou mano:
I whano ai koe,
I taemai ai to wairua ora
Ki ton kaupapa.
Tenei hoki ahau
Te mihi atu nei,
Te tangi atu nei
Ki to wairua mate.
Puta purehurehu mai
To putanga mai ki ahau,
Ki to kaupapa,
I piri mai ai koe,
I tangi mai ai koe.

Sorry did you want to say something Phil?
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Mr_Blobby (91) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Simonway what a racist piece of shit. Maori make up less than 15% of the population, a minority, why should they get special treatment, ahead of any other minority. Most of that 15%, me included don’t look Maori and are ashamed to be associated with anything Maori. Especially with there multitude of social problems from beating there kids senseless, cluttering up our prisons and social services, to not being able to feed themselves properly. You sound like the 2% of the population, who vote Maori and Mana, that feel you are special and need to be spoon feed by the rest of us. Personally I prefer to stand on my own 2 feet, and get there on my own merit.
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Mr_Blobby (91) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
RRM do I need to tell you what to do with your bullshit made up language. If my Great Grandfather heard modern Maori, he would probably say “What language are you speaking fool.”The reality is that more people around the world speak klingon(another made up language) than Maori. People learnt it because they wanted to, no need for hundreds of millions in Government funding.
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RRM (7,207) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Tu te turuturu no Hine-rauwharangi;
Tu te turuturu no Hine-te-iwaiwa.
Tu i tou tia me ko Ihuwareware;
Tu i ton kona me ko Ihuatamai.
Kaua rangia an e Rupe.
Kei tauatia, ko an te inati,
Ko Hine-te-iwaiwa.
Tuku iho irunga i tou huru,
I tou upoko,
I on tara-pakihiwi,
I tou uma,
I to ate,
I ou turipona,
I ou waewae.
E tuku ra ki waho.
Tuku ewe,
Tuku take,
Tuku parapara.
Naumai ki waho.

Nga puna irunga te homai,
Te ringia ki te matamata
O nga u o tenei wahine;
Te kopata i te rangi te homai
Hei whakato mo nga u
O tenei wahine:
M te matamata o nga u
O tenei wahine:
Nga u atarere reremai
Ki te matamata o nga u
O tenei wahine:
Nga u atarere tukua mai.
Tenei hoki te tamaiti te tangi nei,
Te aue nei i te po nui,
I te po roa.
Ko Tu-te-awhiawhi,
Ko Tu-te-pupuke,
Naumai ki ahau,
Ki tenei tauira.

Tena te ara, ko te ara o Tawhaki,
I piki ai ki te rangi,
I kake ai ki tou tini,
Ki tou mano:
I whano ai koe,
I taemai ai to wairua ora
Ki ton kaupapa.
Tenei hoki ahau
Te mihi atu nei,
Te tangi atu nei
Ki to wairua mate.
Puta purehurehu mai
To putanga mai ki ahau,
Ki to kaupapa,
I piri mai ai koe,
I tangi mai ai koe.
Tena te tiri,
Ko te tiri a o tupuna,
Ko te tiri a nga Pukenga,
A nga Wananga,
Aku, a tenei tauira.
Ka kakea te ara wha-iti,
Ka kakea te ara wha-rahi,
Ko te ara i whakatauria ai
To tupuna a Te Ao-nunui,
A Te Ao-roroa,
A Te Ao-whititera.
Tena ka eke
Kei to Ihi,
Kei to Mana,
Kei nga mano o runga,
Kei o Ariki,
Kei o Tapairu,
Kei o Pukenga,
Kei o Wananga,
Kei o Tauira.
Raranga, raranga täku takapau,
Ka pukea e te wai,
Hei moenga mo aku rei.
Ko Rupe, ko Manumea,
Ka pukea: ê! ê!
Mo aku rei tokorua ka pukea.
Ka pukea au e te wai,
Ka pukea, ê! ê! {p. 110}
Ko koro taku tane ka pukea.
Piki ake hoki au ki runga nei:
Te Matitikura, ê! ê!
Ki a Toroa irunga,
Te Matitikura, ê! ê!
Kia whakawhanaua aku tama
Ko an anake ra.
Tu te turuturu no Hine-rauwharangi;
Tu te turuturu no Hine-te-iwaiwa.
Tu i tou tia me ko Ihuwareware;
Tu i ton kona me ko Ihuatamai.
Kaua rangia an e Rupe.
Kei tauatia, ko an te inati,
Ko Hine-te-iwaiwa.
Tuku iho irunga i tou huru,
I tou upoko,
I on tara-pakihiwi,
I tou uma,
I to ate,
I ou turipona,
I ou waewae.
E tuku ra ki waho.
Tuku ewe,
Tuku take,
Tuku parapara.
Naumai ki waho.

Nga puna irunga te homai,
Te ringia ki te matamata
O nga u o tenei wahine;
Te kopata i te rangi te homai
Hei whakato mo nga u
O tenei wahine:
M te matamata o nga u
O tenei wahine:
Nga u atarere reremai
Ki te matamata o nga u
O tenei wahine:
Nga u atarere tukua mai.
Tenei hoki te tamaiti te tangi nei,
Te aue nei i te po nui,
I te po roa.
Ko Tu-te-awhiawhi,
Ko Tu-te-pupuke,
Naumai ki ahau,
Ki tenei tauira.

Tena te ara, ko te ara o Tawhaki,
I piki ai ki te rangi,
I kake ai ki tou tini,
Ki tou mano:
I whano ai koe,
I taemai ai to wairua ora
Ki ton kaupapa.

It goes on a bit, doesn’t it? Don’t worry I’m almost done…
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mikenmild (6,603) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
For all the talk of ‘racism’ here, I see that no one has yet called out BeaB for her astonishing statement that she wouldn’t go to a Muslim doctor.
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Adolf Fiinkensein (2,445) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
It helps to have high cheekbones and a stolen recipe or two.
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nasska (6,344) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
mikenmild

If it was a male Muslim doctor she would probably have to point to the site of the problem using a doll or have the doctor examine her image in a mirror.

After all, Allah the great & merciful would likely smite him for infringements of the Quran.
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Than (139) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
To be pedantic mikenmild, not going to a Muslim doctor is not racism, it is religious discrimination. Muslims can be of any race/ethnicity.

But religious discrimination in medical professions can be completely rational, particularly for women. If a doctor’s religion limits what medical services they can offer patients (abortion being the obvious example; refusing to discuss contraceptive options could be another) then the patient who wanted those services would be quite right to find a doctor not of that religion.
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Colville (740) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
while I agree that there may be something in having a chinese doc to take a young chinese lady thru her pregnancy results/smear whatever as a guy I dont really give a rats arse if my Quack is wearing a turban or not when he needs to pull on the latex and tell me to bend over.
however I believe market conditions will deal with those issues rather than quota at university (quota will always lag by 10 years) if market is ripe for more Doctors of a specific ethnicity then a few texts back home from the taxi drivers will sort it out.
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landoftime (33) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
I would love it if there was no need for positive discrimination. I would love to live in a country where the playing field is level. But the reality is that it is not. We do not all have equal access to opportunities. So we need to put policies in place to level the playing field.

If I am born into a middle class household with two working educated parents then I’m going to have a better start in life than the girl a few suburbs away who is from a welfare dependent family. Of course, statistics will show that being born Maori automatically puts you at a disadvantage in most cases. By having a different set of requirements for entry into med school, we give the girl from the welfare dependent family a chance. She still has to get her degree. She still has to pass her exams. But at least, she has the chance to try.

Besides, do you really want to live in a country where all doctors are white? Or do you want a choice? I want a choice. I want a doctor that meets my needs. I want the opportunity to switch doctors and have a different customer experience. It’s about supply and demand – there is a demand for a cultural mix of doctors and thus the market needs to supply them. People want to choose to go to a Korean speaking doctor or a Mandarin speaking doctor and that is their right. It’s about giving people choices. Frankly, I thought that it would be right wing people that would value this the most.
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burt (5,928) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
landoftime

So we need to put policies in place to level the playing field.

Right… I’ve never seen an Indian All Black yet people from India form a significant proportion of our population. I think we need an Indian quota for rugby. Perhgaps we could just have an asian quota and see how that works out between the various nationalities of “asian”.
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burt (5,928) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
landoftime

How do you have such a complete mental meltdown that you can say ~~positive~~ racial discrimination is about supply and demand ?
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John Ansell (857) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
I see on the news tonight the Police indulging in similar racism by encouraging an Asian policing unit.

If Asians make up 9% of the population, how come they only make up 2% of cops, they asked.

Because they prefer to study hard and become doctors, I answered.

Both attempts at social engineering are equally sinister.

Why should the state prevent qualified Asians becoming doctors so underqualified Maori can get into Med School.

That’s racism, pure and simple.

And the bar-lowering rationale is even more insulting: that it’s vital that doctors should be able to show empathy as well as academic ability – as though Asians are personality-free swots.

By the same token, why should Asians get easier entry into the Police to balance the overabundance of Europeans.

Will they be lowering the height limit to would-be Asian cadets?

All racial quotas stink, pure and simple.
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nasska (6,344) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
landoftime

If having a smorgasbord of doctors representing global ethnicities features highly in the list of things you value in the practise of medicine may I wish you perfect health….. you may need it.

I want the best. Competency trumps everything.
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scrubone (2,303) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
I’ve never seen that on the Herald before.

I have. Can’t remember which one it was – may have been the column where some uptight woman suggested that women not breast feed because they couldn’t afford boob jobs.
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wiseowl (260) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
LoT what a dreamer.
Another one of those who is the problem with this country.

JA. My response to that item re asian police was the same. What a load of cobblers!

If you want quotas in anything piss off to some other country.
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burt (5,928) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
John Ansell

If Asians make up 9% of the population, …

Then we must have 1-2 Asians take the field every time the All Blacks play. It’s only fair….. So we need to put policies in place to level the playing field. ….

Racism is racism – no matter how we dress up the intent to make it palatable to the half thinkers.
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Battier (9) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
kowtow (1,947) Says:
June 18th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Otago Uni allows Maori law stsudents who don’t make the cut for second year have their ethnicity taken into account to go through.
Universities are fast becoming social experiments and no longer places of higher learning.
I’d bet the big spending overseas students get a quiet lift up too.

http://www.otago.ac.nz/courses/qualifications/llb.html
See 1 g

There is a very good reason for wanting (needing) Maori representation in our legal systems kowtow – for one, if you have actually done law and learnt any jurisprudence, you would understand why having a homogenous white/middle-upperclass/male dominated judiciary for pretty much all of our legal history is not necessarily the most desirable situation. The judiciary, lawyers and hence law schools need to be able to reflect society’s broad range of values and hence culturally diverse make up. (And no I am not Maori)
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ephemera (563) Says:
June 19th, 2012 at 4:51 am
@John Ansell

How do you suggest the Police step up to the complex challenges of serving Auckland’s Chinese community, specifically the shenanigans which remain otherwise impenetrable to non-asian officers?
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Mr Nobody NZ (382) Says:
June 19th, 2012 at 8:29 am
Hi John,

I didn’t see last nights report however the has been an Asian taskforce in Auckland for some years now, however previously what the Police department has done is simply targeted recruitment to this community vs altering their recruitment policies/standards for them to join.

This hasn’t prevented any other groups from joining or a “less” qualified/able officer ending up within their ranks. Likewise they have run targeted campaigns towards Woman and Pasifika.
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grumpyoldhori (2,342) Says:
June 19th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Nope, make it one standard for all, the hori quota was set up to assist those from poorer families make it to medical school.
And what do we find, Hine Elder getting in because she is a hori.

Nope, just dump it and go back to what it was when that Surgeon who became a politician was working through medical school.
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Luc Hansen (4,573) Says:
June 19th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Rodney Hide is a sad man peddling a sad ideology. But as Don Brash discovered at Orewa, this particular kind of sophistry has a willing audience in this country – and in any post-colonial country where the indigenous people were either largely exterminated or deliberately marginalised.

And could one be forgiven for wondering whether John Ansell is busy designing and producing a range of brown shirts? That would make a change from his posters.
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KevinH (943) Says:
June 19th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Rodney Hide was successful in extinquishing Maori property rights in his amendment to the Foreshore and Seabed Law, he campaigned on the ridiculous “one law for all platform” but however ensured that property rights for non maori were protected. I agree with Luc Hansen, people such as Rodney Hide, John Ansell, and Don Brash use sophistry to capitalise on prejudice.
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wikiriwhis business (1,301) Says:
June 19th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
rodney Hide is an absolute traitor to this country.

He got water meters in after changing the law that stopped them.
The kapiti district is justifiying water meters (after saying they wouldn’t introduce them in 2010) by saying privatisation of water is illegal. it will just take one more traitor to change the law.

I want to ask Winston if he voted against taking away the treason laws in 1989 because this is why we have asset sales and looming privatisation.

Nice posting RRM
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kowtow (4,386) Says:
June 19th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
battier
I don’t give a shit how many lawyers or judges are non Anglo or whatever.

I give a shit that when some one doesn’t get the marks set for all candidates, that they can run back to some professor and say ,look “I’m from a protected /legislated whatever,you must put me through”.

For every one of those put through some one else gets cut.That someone did the work and by an objective standard made it, on the strength of their ability and input.That is discrimination. Not on the basis of skin ,hair or eye colour…..let’s see that’s been done before hasn’t it and where did that get us?
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Northland Wahine (486) Says:
June 19th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
There is a certain level of competency for a reason… If the level can be lowered for one, it can be lowered for all. And then wait for the barrage of complaints when we have a flood of incompetent lawyers, judges, drs… Etc.

Maori should be made to rise to the same level as their non Maori counterparts. And then continue to lift the bar for all.
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John Ansell (857) Says:
June 19th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Ephemera: I agree that if there is a specific need to penetrate a specific community (like Chinese triads), then specific extra recruiting of police from that racial group is justified.

If that is what the police are doing, then fine.

But lowering the bar for Asian police recruits purely to correct a racial imbalance would be just as wrong as lowering the bar for Maori medical students, thereby preventing some higher qualified Asian students from achieving their ambition to become doctors.
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wat dabney (2,690) Says:
June 19th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
“Rodney Hide is a sad man peddling a sad ideology.”

Freedom is a sad ideology?

That’s all you need to know about Luc.

“rodney Hide is an absolute traitor to this country. He got water meters in after changing the law that stopped them.”

That’s surely the funniest line of the week.
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mikenmild (6,603) Says:
June 19th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Are the Police lowering recruiting standards for some? Anyone got a link to that story?
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Battier (9) Says:
June 19th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
kowtow- that is because you don’t understand the legal system, and the importance of diversity within it. You can complain all you want and I understand your side of the argument, but unfortunately taking your approach doesn’t solve any problems and just creates more. The quota system isn’t supposed to be a gratuitous reward- it is there for a socially important reason.

And anyone who can work hard and deserves to be in Otago Law will get in – the cut off isn’t exactly hard to reach for any honest worker who is willing to put in the time, which seems to be what you desire. Get over it and do what you have to do to get in.
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Battier (9) Says:
June 19th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
And simply saying something is discriminatory means nothing – the correct query would be to ask whether discrimination is justified in any given situation. Maori Trusts offering scholarships for students of Maori descent is obviously discriminatory, but one could hardly argue it isn’t a justified and legitimate discrimination.
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