Winston says no to super age increase

June 16th, 2012 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

Maintaining the age of eligibility for at 65 would be a bottom line for New Zealand First in any coalition negotiations after the 2014 election, says leader Winston Peters.

His stance could be an obstacle to coalition talks with Labour if NZ First is the kingmaker after 2014 – Labour has made raising the pension age to 67 a centrepiece of its policies and has sought to embarrass Prime Minister John Key on the issue.

Mr Key has been under pressure for refusing to contemplate raising the age of eligibility for super from 65 to 67.

NZ First meets for its annual conference in Palmerston North this weekend – its first since the resurgent party made it back into Parliament last year with eight MPs. It is looking for more next election and could be a strong contender for coalition talks in 2014.

Asked whether NZ First’s position that the super age should remain at 65 was likely to be an issue in such talks, Mr Peters said: “Of course it’s a bottom line.”

It is highly unlikely that Labour could form a Government without Winston, so their policy to increase the age (actually a policy to means test 65 and 66 year olds) looks dead on arrival.

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28 Responses to “Winston says no to super age increase”

  1. Viking2 (10,712 comments) says:

    Populism. Looks like Key has a new friend. :lol:

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  2. Keeping Stock (9,788 comments) says:

    Ah yes; but when Winston Peters stands aside at the next election and suddenly Shane Jones sits atop the NZ First Party List, will all bets be off?

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  3. wikiriwhis business (3,286 comments) says:

    http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8484522/key-does-not-rule-out-deal-with-nz-first

    This govt has no scruples. JK said no way to NZFirst. The polls are changing his mind. No integrity at all

    JK is a whore

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  4. orewa1 (425 comments) says:

    Silly. Ask most older folk which they would prefer – a higher rate offset by a higher entitlement age, or status quo – and they will just about all go for change.

    Its one of the few aress where Brash has offered a sensible suggestion – choose your own age to start collecting, but the younger it kicks in, the less per week you get for the rest of your life.

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  5. Brad (75 comments) says:

    Being a little premature aren’t we Davey. Oh but of course, it fits perfectly into your scaremongering to frighten the public into a third term of a National government

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  6. Martin Gibson (206 comments) says:

    Look let’s face it; super is going to be there until we Gen X’s are due to retire and then the age of elegibility will be never.
    The Baby Boomers enjoyed free tertiary education then scrapped student allowances, gave us student loans which we delayed having families to pay off, then they made them interest free so Hulun could get back in.
    We have to pay for the horseshit ETS once it stops being put off, we have to pay for Treaty settlements, Baby Boomer retirements . . . you name it.
    We know we’re going to get screwed, just stop with this pantomime of expecting us to look surprised while you’re doing it. We’re used to it by now even if we don’t like it, and we just want to be honest about how much shit this country’s in after a generation of self-indulgent individualism and most of us would like to get on with fixing it up.
    Peter Dunne had it right here — leave it up to individuals to choose and let’s get on with the more important things.

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  7. Redbaiter (6,478 comments) says:

    Age is really not the problem.

    The problem is a combination of too much debt and not enough productivity.

    There is fuck all being produced in this country, not even enough to keep the living standards of the workers at the level they expect. Working NZ is funded by debt. How then can the living standards of non workers expect to improve. They won’t.

    The sad truth that lying politicians will not tell you is that there is no escape from a savage and vicious collapse in the living standards of NZers. There is nothing they or anyone else can do to stop it in the short term. The die was cast long ago when we allowed politicians to borrow to make themselves look like good fiscal managers. Like they were improving our living standards.

    They weren’t doing that. They were pumping borrowed money into the economy to make it look good. To keep the living standards of all the non productive workers high.

    Not only in NZ. They did it in almost all western countries. So now we have a mountain of debt and no way of paying it back. Only a complete fucking dickwad (meaning your average NZ voter) would think that politicians can save them from what is coming. Lying vote buying politicians are the cause of what is about to befall us.

    We need cash. We need productivity. Neither of these items are available. Therefore, collapse is the only possible outcome.

    Prepare for it, and when it happens, thank your socialist politicians (Labour and National) and the fucking idiots who bought their lies and voted for them.

    Learn from this, and never ever allow government to grow so big and have so much influence economically ever again.

    Everything government touches turns to shit. That’s why it must be kept small and must be prevented from doing big things. Like running economies.

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  8. tvb (3,939 comments) says:

    So Labour’s policy with Winston will be no change during the 2014-17 Parliament.

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  9. Viking2 (10,712 comments) says:

    Ah, It hurts BUT, I agree with Redbaiter. 18 more years of bear markets in front of us. The only solution Get offa ya arse and produce world tradeable goods and services. Or emmigrate to Aussie if you must.

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  10. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,668 comments) says:

    David, what are you smoking?

    “….so their policy to increase the age (actually a policy to means test 65 and 66 year olds) looks dead on arrival……”

    This is precisely the compromise which Peters will accept. He was talking about the age of eligibility not means testing and Labour will give him super at age 65.

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  11. Redbaiter (6,478 comments) says:

    Say a foreign company has $100 million to invest in NZ.

    Do you (readers) realise that at least half of that (probably more) is siphoned off in to unproductive areas of the economy with the (failing) objective of keeping socialism afloat? Of keeping non workable crippling socialist economic policies in place?

    Do you understand what a crippling burden this is to people who actually want to produce?

    And the worst thing is, that $50 million that is so corruptly taken, is used to cripple the very same company who provided it, because it it used to fund scores of government departments and their acolytes in the private sector who actually make their living from hampering productivity.

    So the company is left with $50 million from its original $100 million, so as well as being short of cash, it is also hobbled and stymied in every way possible from doing what it wants to do with the money that remains.

    Its never going to work, and voters need to wake up and stop voting for the politicians who have brought this state of affairs upon us. They won’t though, not until we’re all fucked financially, and even then they’ll probably blame everyone but themselves.

    What a fucking basket case country.

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  12. Mark (1,301 comments) says:

    So now there a two people in the country who dont accept raising the retirement age is the right thing to do. Winston and John make a good pair, both populist politicians supporting unsustainable policies.

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  13. cows4me (248 comments) says:

    Yeah Red is right but still there must be ways to produce increasing income and greater cash flows. Of course it will not happen, socialism is deeply ingrained in NZ society and there is sweet fuck all to encourage real wealth growth as their is a plethora of parasites ready to relieve you from your wealth at every turn. There are to many living off the to few in this joint. We need a sea-change, we need less government, we need less regulation, we need to pull the plug on the various gravy trains that plague the nation, the RMA needs kicking to grub, introduce a new tax regime ( flat tax ), dump bullshit offices like the fucking children’s commissioner, the racist relations fucktards, the wimmins commission etc etc. There are heaps we could do to improve our lot but this will only happen if the whole system totally collapses.

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  14. Redbaiter (6,478 comments) says:

    Cows4me I would say that for every productive person in NZ trying to do something, there are at least five non-productive people trying to hamper him.

    And these are the same five fuckwits who demand social services and superannuation.

    Coming from what??

    They’re too fucking ill educated to even do the simple maths.

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  15. DJP6-25 (1,229 comments) says:

    You’ve hit the nail on the head Redbaiter.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  16. Martin Gibson (206 comments) says:

    I pretty much agree with Redbaiter and C4M on this one, but I am a bit more optimistic.

    If we can refocus on Maslow’s heirachy of needs at a local level to avoid money getting hoovered out of the productive economy, sucked down to Wellington, then filtered through the bureaucratic swamp then dripping into Independent Liquor, Restaurant Brands MacD’s etc via hopelessly disorganised people who are often fucked from the moment they are conceived . . . we might be able to make things better.

    The thing everyone missed in the contraception debate, including me at the time, was that the best reason for some people to be on long term contraception is so they don’t have fetal alcohol babies who are usually the ones who end up in 50 foster homes then jail sucking up the money we should be spending on RnD and hurting people along the way. It’s stressful having kids, but having one of these kids is a nightmare, especially for people who can’t look after themselves.

    Sorry to get off track, but if we did that you could have your super at 65, hell maybe even I could.

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  17. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    It’s that fucking Cullen fund that needs to be wound up. It’s totally hopeless business sense – mattress stuffing cash that won’t beat inflation or keep up with the demands on the health system. Wore, it’s very presence has postponed the needed debate on Super by promoting Entitlitis Syndrome. Specifically: ” I worked hard all my life and paid taxes so I should dget to pull Super and have a private income.
    Wind it up and split amongst the baby boomers via kiwisaver accounts and then means test. If you save enough that you get a good income during retirement off your dividends or interest payments you should be passing on the Super.

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  18. Bombs Aregreat (5 comments) says:

    Because of power-hungry John “Soft-Cock” Key’s populist policy of not raising the retirement age, for the first time since the 4th Labour government do we see a reversal of Left and Right. The idiot conservative Christian wing of the National party who worship Bill English as their Catholic MP/God abandon their economic principles in order to attack Peters and Labour and the Left Wing Standard commentors are rallying behind raising the age in order to bring down the PM. A classic case of politics, not values.

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  19. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    The unsurprising Winston stance on the Super age, plus a challenge from John Key that only paints himself further into his own super corner, as a double kick in the guts for cross-party super discussions.

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  20. Aredhel777 (271 comments) says:

    So basically your solution to the West’s economic woes is Tea Party economics and giving the rich tax cuts, Redbaiter. What a fucking brilliant idea! Trickledown! Look, I’m not some sort of trendy lefty by any stretch of the imagination, but I think the outcome of deregulation has already been seen in America. Not that I’m a great fan of Obama but bear in mind the financial crisis happened in 2008, before he had time to do any damage. Bush was in power before that and he was rightwing. The financial crisis was caused by a corporate greed and a culture of corruption amongst academics (see The Inside Job.)

    The political system is so fucked in America that the corporations and the wealthy have a lot more power than your ordinary voter, which is sadly why so many people over there don’t even bother to vote anymore as the outcome of the election makes little difference to American policy. It takes millions of dollars even to get into Congress (so much for the American Dream.) In essence the rich set their own taxes at the expense of the poor and keep the government tiny because it suits them. All this Randian crap. As a result the middle class is increasingly under pressure in America, the rich and poor divide is increasing and people are being denied access to education because it costs so much. Not to mention that thousands of people have severe health problems and cannot afford medical care. America has huge problems and I’m bloody glad that New Zealand is nothing like them.

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  21. orewa1 (425 comments) says:

    And now Key has politicised this issue by challenging Peters not to form a government with Labour on the strength of it. More politics around people’s retirement security.

    Never mind – who gives a shit about people’s lives in their old age as long as the parties can carry on their tiresome games? The purpose of politics after all is to stay in power – it has little to do with the welfare of ordinary folk.

    To those of us with long memories, Key sounds more like Muldoon – who stuffed New Zealanders’ futures – every day.

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  22. Viking2 (10,712 comments) says:

    The financial crisis was caused by a corporate greed and a culture of corruption amongst academics (see The Inside Job.)

    Started and aided by the Democrats and their housing policies and lienent banking rules.

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  23. Aredhel777 (271 comments) says:

    “Started and aided by the Democrats and their housing policies and lienent banking rules.”

    Nonsense. The Democrats weren’t in power then. If academics had any sort of moral backbone and had refused to accept money to argue economic policies that were manifestly false, and if we didn’t have a culture which tolerated that, this disaster might have been avoided. Not to mention the corporations which also behaved in an unethical manner, and were able to *because* of deregulation. It’s all down to this relativist crap that justifies doing whatever one likes.

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  24. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    Show him the baubles of office and the venal Peters will change his stance immediately.
    The crook Winston is rotten to the core.

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  25. infused (615 comments) says:

    Nice play by Key, however I don’t agree with him on this.

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  26. Nick K (916 comments) says:

    It is highly unlikely that Labour could form a Government without Winston, so their policy to increase the age (actually a policy to means test 65 and 66 year olds) looks dead on arrival.

    Not if Act is back with sufficient numbers.

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  27. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    Winston said “No”. and

    “so [Labour's] policy to increase the age (actually a policy to means test 65 and 66 year olds) looks dead on arrival.”

    hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha.

    Because we all know what it means when Winston makes a promise don’t we?

    All this post is missing is ‘canned laughter’. so I thought I’d supply some.

    hahahahahahahahhahahhaha etc.

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  28. Paulus (2,296 comments) says:

    And who would believe anything Winston says ?
    As above, rotten to the core.
    He is a proven liar in so many ways, and when is he going to pay the taxpayer back ?

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