Ahh, the bigotry of urban latte liberals

Personally I suspect it varies a lot from person to person – I never considered myself to be anything but straight until my late university years when certain experiences led me to reevaluate that, though my primary attraction to the opposite sex hasn’t changed. Having said that, I recently discovered that my father had doubts about his sexuality when he was younger, so I suspect there’s a genetic predisposition there as well.

The dishonesty of many liberals never ceases to amaze me. On 3 News Saturday night Charles Chauval claimed that two thirds of New Zealanders support homosexual marriage. If he was genuine in his belief why do him and Wall oppose a binding referendum?

Feminism? Liberalism? State education? Being told that having sex in toilets and chasing naked teens down the street (Labour MP) is a “lifestyle choice”?

Social liberalism being advocated in what was once a reliably conservative political party is ignorant and offensive.

“The belief that people choose to be gay. When did Mr Craig choose to be heterosexual I wonder?” – DPF

He didn’t, because “heterosexuality” is just the natural order, and homosexuality is a chosen behaviour based on compulsions resulting from a psycho-sexual disorder.

“But even worse, his assertion that people choose to be gay because they were abused as a child. This is the sort of nut job statements I might expect in West Virginia, not New Zealand.”

Yes. We don’t like politically incorrect truths in NZ.

At least he is a man and does not hide behind a pseudonym.

I’m more disgusted by Craig’s refusal to allow foreign investment in New Zealand than anything he says about gay people. But it is embarrassing to have him say ignorant things, when there is a very real debate needed on this issue.
It is ridiculous to suggest people are born gay. Heterosexual sexuality is the biological norm across all species. It’s possible that genetic flaws may lead to predispositions, but sex by its very nature is a learned and developed preference as one grows up. Saying one is “born gay” is as ludicrous as saying one woman is born to “spit” and another is born to “swallow”. Children are by their nature asexual.

Nobody holds a gun to your head and makes you have sex with another man. Nobody is born to have sex. It is a choice that you make. Discrimination is one thing, but let’s not pretend that people don’t have any free will in what they do with their sexual organs.

Excellent post Blair except for one thing. Craig cannot refuse to allow foreign investment in New Zealand. He should also realise that. Whatever his own view is he should keep it to himself. If he plays his cards right the Conservative Party could make it into Parliament focusing mainly on moral issues and the right of voters to exercise their conscience rather that trusting most of the MPs to have a conscience.

If National perceives that a minor party may have bottom lines on major issues relating to the economy they will not want them as a coalition partner. I certainly cannot imagine Labour ever wanting them as a coalition partner.

On the issue of predispositions I fully agree with you. A person may have a predisposition toward schizophrenia but never be a schizophrenic. However, if they are a heavy user of cannabis that may be the catalyst that makes them a schizophrenic.

The same likely applies to homosexuality. If the predisposition is there sexual abuse can be the trigger that makes them a homosexual for life. That seem to be the case with James Peron, the libertarian that many liberations still think should be allowed in New Zealand.

I am not saying or implying that adolescent who is abused by a homosexual will be come a homosexual. That depends on predisposition as well as other factors. Nor am I a saying that all homosexuals were sexually abuse by a homosexual in their youth. However, the libertarian bigots are claiming ALL homosexuals and ALL bisexuals are born that way. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

But… I don’t get Colin Craig. Any normal heterosexual knows that being straight isn’t something they have to consciously force themselves to do, which is what Craig seems to be doing.

I remember at the later years of primary school and having an attraction to watch Aerobics Oz Style which ran before I left for school, and also enjoying looking at pictures of pretty women in the Women’s Weekly/Day. This unexplained attraction just happened, it wasn’t really consciously caused by anything – sure boys used to talk about sex and listen to rude songs on tapes, but my development of heterosexuality occurred without requiring intervention.

It doesn’t take too much of a stretch to imagine that some people instead of being attracted to smooth skin, curves and feminine faces (faces not faeces) when puberty starts, they’re attracted to narrow-hipped, hairy-bodied, muscly stinking men. Most of these people who are attracted to masculine features are female, some are male.

The weirdos are actually those who don’t have any natural development of a sexuality, so have to force it based on some boring rambling old book. Any straight guy knows he couldn’t chose to be gay (unless he was already a bit bi).

But anyway we all know how NZ’s last fundamentalist Christian Party ended up. Capill hated gays too, that arsehole probably still blames the young girls for seducing him. I wonder how many of his supporters took him seriously and helped pray for a lighter sentence. Oh well, that’s religion for you.

http://nzconservative.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/colin-craig-is-being-set-upon-by.html

That really tells you all you need to know about CCCP. The party for Redbaiter and D4J.

After ten long years you still cannot point to a single victory despite claiming that you have had many.

I fear it is going to be a tough year for you.

Now you’re getting it.

Come on, just tell me one victory you have had in over ten years of fighting. After all, you are the one who has made the claim that you have had many victories, all I am asking you to do is name one of them.

Look, I can understand why it might be hard to admit that you have been a failure, it is OK to admit that you might have stretched the truth a bit. I am sure that everybody here will accept that you are a passionate defender of the fucked up policies of the religious right and as a result of that passion you might have told the odd lie.

You and your constantly falsely premised “questions” aren’t worth shit.

The real reason you will not answer is because deep down you just cannot bring yourself to admit that your ten year battle against the left (well anybody who does not support the bible, guns and Sarah Palin) has been a complete and utter waste of time.

You cannot point to one victory at all can you.

Tell you what, if you can point to one victory you have had then I will apologise to you and to all the other religious right moon bats, I will even stop pointing out the evils of the Catholic church.

So…how about it?